sukizo said: P.S.: I know of the L and Light; Suzaku and Lelouch; Ciel and Sebastian & Naruto and Sasuke . Are the ones I know or heard of. Please tell me of any other pairings or what makes a pairing. Everyone or everything can be a preference. The philosopher's answer: The one thing a yaoi or yuri pairing has that a het pairing does not, is the single-sex factor. When you have two people of the same sex, you could imagine them having a deeper bond because they speak each others' language- no more, 'pssht, why did she do that? I don't get it' from guys, or girls wondering why their guys don't speak their minds. It's simply the different natures of the sexes that cause them to express themselves differently, at least primarily. The sexualized answer: Because it's hot. Duh. The fandom answer: Imagining a perfect relationship between two perfect guys is more satisfying than imagining a perfect relationship between one perfect guy and one disgusting OC, and doesn't make the girl who makes the disgusting OC jealous because there's no perfect girl with the perfect guy. The convention answer: Yaoi's something fun that gets people together. But please, stop screaming. |
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| There must be something wrong with me! I'm a girl and I don't find yaoi hot at all! OH NOES!!1 (If you know that I'm joking, you win 9,000 internets :3.) Ok, seriously, I just don't find it attractive :/. The answer to this question is so fucking simple, I just can't comprehend why you're all saying the same thing over and over. Of course, most of you are joking. |
HISTORY said: gay is hot that is all This I have to say, though, in some series (*cough*sukisho*cough*) the uke looks like a girl. Junjou Romantica was better about it, luckily. |
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| This is the proof that girls are weird as hell. Usually this supposedly good looking guys in yaoi are very girly. So the first thing that makes you wonder. Maybe girls like there own gender and don't know it. Second there is a big difference between yuri and yaoi. So you can't say it's the same as guys liking yuri. What's the difference? The difference lays in the role the two genders play. Two girls kissing and making out with each other doesn't spoil there role as females since they still look very feminine. But two guys doing the same thing completely spoils there role as men because that is anything but manly behavior. Another thing that is different is how they do sex. No matter how they try lesbians in the end are just rubbing each other. But with guys someone actually gets a big sausage up his ass. I see a difference there. I don't know about you but if my girlfriend told me that someone rubbed his dick against her pussy and someone shoved it in her pussy i would be more angry at the second guy. And now here is my question to the girls. Do you like men or girls in the end. Because a really manly gar guy will never to anything similar to yaoi. Because i was under the impression that women like a man to be man, you know. Do you really like a guy that is getting fucked in the ass? |
MonadJul 17, 2009 5:38 PM
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| I'm a girl and I don't really get it either. :S Sure, hawt guys are nice, but I'm "eh, whatever" when two are together. I gotta admit IT IS kind of (KIND OF) nice/hawt/sexay, but it doesn't make me go "KYAAAAAAA! OMG!" or anything. And I hate it when my some of my favorite male characters are paired up: Allen x Kanda. GRAAAAGH! No offense to anyone, by the way, it just happens to annoy me. Also, when people put a yaoi picture that's...borderline porn, I get pissed off. Good god, put a freakin' spoiler or warning. /end opinion ramble |
Monad said: Usually this supposedly good looking guys in yaoi are very girly. So the first thing that makes you wonder. Maybe girls like there own gender and don't know it. I'm pretty sure there are boyish girls in yuri too. Monad said: And now here is my question do the girls. Do you like men or girls in the end. Because a really manly gar guy will never to anything similar to yaoi. Because i was under the impression that women like a man to be man, you know. Do you really like a guy that is getting fucked in the ass? I don't think girls see gay guys as someone to be in a relationship with, they just see it as something hot. |
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| so for idiots sake i will say it agin. gay is hot thats it, ^ less words because there not much to say apart from that lets gon on though shall we because we have to make it look like this is a serious topic and all so i will just keep talking shit so that the actualt POINT of the post STAYS in the topic WHICH IS WHY I POSTED IT k thx awdome |
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nanako9chan said: The thing I personally dig for in yaoi pairings is the guys blushing. Even in het/pairings in shojo manga I adore it when the guy blushes. So two guys = uke + seme = uke = blushing. ^ this LucySky said: I'm thinking of Junjou Romantica right now. It shouldn't matter what the sexual orientation of the characters is. A bad show is still a bad show :/ I liked Junjou Romantica. If nothing else, then because the characters actually looked like *guys*, and not like girls. If I wanted a girly uke, I'd watch regular romance. |
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tehnominator said: I'm a yaoi fan who is not a fangirl, so I can't honestly say what satisfies me would satisfy the typical bottom feeder. I dig any realistic romance, and if it's two dudes, who cares? I don't like it when the yaoi fangirls turn just anybody into a pairing. Or just because they're hot. I feel sorry for gay guys who want something a little more real in the romance department but they mostly have to put up with whatever they're making to appease fangirls, which includes colourful hair and sparkles and lots of unwilling sex. Sort of like if someone wants to watch decent yuri, they'd have to put up with a lot of boob gropes and spitty make-out sessions and flesbianism to get their 5% actual girl x girl romance with no fanservice. The best yaoi anime ever made: nakedyouth The fangirls hate it, btw, since it's about two normal dudes and it's about subtlety, a concept that most yaoi fans have yet to realise exists. Neh, the thing about yaoi is that it' targeted towards females and not actualy gay people. There's like, (I think it's called) gay comi for that. BTW, I'll check it out that anime out XD |
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gdavge2003 said: To be bluntly truthful: it's arousing. I'm not a girl, but I can see how it works. The guys are hot (100% of the time) and they're.. well, they're also displaying their manliness. Regular pairs (guyxgirl) are fine, but nothing's special about those. They make good romance anime series and dramas, but there isn't any "excitement" (for lack of better words) in the relationship itself. I'm not a fan of yaoi (eeeeew) or yuri (nice.... but my Christian upbringing pulls me back). Just fyi here. There's also perhaps some jealousy when viewing regular pairings, that is nonexistent in yui/yaoi pairings. For example, using a romance/comedy/ecchi series: 1 -- The typical guy accidentally falls on girl scene: ".... That bastard. Wtf... what's wrong w/ him.. why isn't he getting off already." 2 -- Girl to girl interaction (Boobage grabbing in hot springs, perhaps?): "O_o nice, lol" Yeaaaaah. All of this is the viewpoint of an unbiased anime watcher/manga reader. Lol. I noticed something about most people against Yaoi. They are homophobes. Just go read the anti-yaoi alliance club's comments. You'll see somebody say they are lucky they never see any gay people around and many other similar comments. I guess I am lucky I never see any gay people around. |
| I don't like watching/reading if yaoi is the main idea but if it happens it happens and I could care less. I have only 2-3 gay pairings I think are adorable (from CLAMP) but I don't spasm over it as of yet. A lot of the yaoi guys are very attractive though so I see why it's loved. I find yuri hotter, and I am a girl. |
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rTz said: I liked Junjou Romantica. If nothing else, then because the characters actually looked like *guys*, and not like girls. If I wanted a girly uke, I'd watch regular romance. Yeah, Misaki is just a screaming, crying ball of MANILESS that luvs getting raped. At least use a better example. ;-p |
| I've never been into the whole Yaoi thing. It drives me crazy when I try to look up fanfics or fanart and all I find is Yaoi. :P |
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sukizo said: P.S.: I know of the L and Light; Suzaku and Lelouch; Ciel and Sebastian & Naruto and Sasuke . Are the ones I know or heard of. Please tell me of any other pairings or what makes a pairing. We will pair whoever we damn well feel like. Winter said: There is only one guyxguy pairing that is serious business, and that is Yuri and Wolfram from Kyo Kara Maou. All these crack pairings girls come up with is just some attempt at filling their sick fantasies. You know in their minds they're imagining that they're one of the guys. It's easier then pretending to be one of the girls in a hetero pairing because all girls are mortal enemies deep down. I'm pretty sure that's why you see a lot of those pairings with the cold, aloof manly guy and the effeminate emotional man (woman in a male body). Yeah, please don't decide why I like certain pairings for me. I -- and most every fangirl of non-canon pairings that I associate with -- likes to play around with different character dynamics, think about how certain characters could begin a relationship and what kind it would be, etc. It has nothing to do with picking random characters or relating to anyone. Monad said: And now here is my question do the girls. Do you like men or girls in the end. Because a really manly gar guy will never to anything similar to yaoi. Because i was under the impression that women like a man to be man, you know. Do you really like a guy that is getting fucked in the ass? Obviously a case-by-case basis, but I'm a yaoi fangirl and I tend to crush on gay men in real life. It's totally not on purpose; half the time I don't even know until later. LucySky said: I'm thinking of Junjou Romantica right now. It shouldn't matter what the sexual orientation of the characters is. A bad show is still a bad show :/ I liked Junjou Romantica. If nothing else, then because the characters actually looked like *guys*, and not like girls. If I wanted a girly uke, I'd watch regular romance. They may look like guys, but they're total seme/uke stereotypes. Which is, imho, a lot worse. |
minsk said: Maoh-Sama said: The creation of the world wide web, which allowed revolting and disgusting fetishes that were once kept in secret, to freely infiltrate and pollute feeble minded unsuspecting girls. boy on boy is a revolting and disgusting fetish? I'm sure you wouldn't mind looking at yuri? I am not particularly avid about yuri either as I almost never voluntarily search for it. Though, my male hormones and tendencies may give it preference when stumbled upon. When talking about them there shouldn't be any double standards. Regardless on whether or not you believe me on this, I think to fangirls watching yaoi is more a big deal than to guys watching yuri (I mean look at the athenaeum of yaoi fanart and shippings on sites like deviantart) . Also, I may be the only one for this but the majority of lesbians I see in real life are fat and ugly a definite turn off for me. |
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windy said: If you're a girl and two guys are in a relationship, there's no girl involved, so there's no reason to be jealous. "The hot guy getting with a girl that's not you," or something. Is there something wrong with me because I don't become jealous when I see an uber hawt boy/man with girls? O_O" I've never understood why fan girls become jealous for FICTIONAL guys they never can have. For me yaoi is not a big deal at all. But I don't like watch men who looks like women. It scares me little bit actually. Not all gay guys like to make up and have big eyelashes. Seriously. And I don't have anything against yuri and lesbians. I've many lesbian friends, actually. |
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Zelen said: windy said: If you're a girl and two guys are in a relationship, there's no girl involved, so there's no reason to be jealous. "The hot guy getting with a girl that's not you," or something. Is there something wrong with me because I don't become jealous when I see an uber hawt boy/man with girls? O_O" I've never understood why fan girls become jealous for FICTIONAL guys they never can have. I am a very possessive human being. |
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ladyxzeus said: I am a very possessive human being. /facepalm Me and my stupid doubts. ._. |
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Cowabunga said: Same reason why guys like yuri/lesbians. yep dats the best possible answer .... but still ... yaoi sux |
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ScrumYummy said: I have this very strong inkling that all women are bisexual. To me, that explains yaoi in every way. I think you're confusing bisexuality with a general lack of repulsion from being intimate with their own gender that you'd find in most males. It's certainly not true that women are typically sexually/romantically attracted to other women. Not all women are attracted to other women; therefore all women are not bisexual. I mean, that much is crystal clear. You can never make sweeping generalizations like that, people are very different, even within their respective genders. I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking "because I feel this way, all _______ must feel this way", which is never actually the case. As for why yaoi is popular... it's very sensualized and romantic. Same reason a lot of women like erotic stories moreso than straight out porn. It's more about an emotional closeness between the people rather than a raw and physical sexual attraction. That's what women tend to prioritize in a relationship, or even in erotic entertainment. |
hikky said: ScrumYummy said: I have this very strong inkling that all women are bisexual. To me, that explains yaoi in every way. I think you're confusing bisexuality with a general lack of repulsion from being intimate with their own gender that you'd find in most males. It's certainly not true that women are typically sexually/romantically attracted to other women. Not all women are attracted to other women; therefore all women are not bisexual. I mean, that much is crystal clear. You can never make sweeping generalizations like that, people are very different, even within their respective genders. I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking "because I feel this way, all _______ must feel this way", which is never actually the case. What you should have read there is, "I think all women should be bisexual." Or maybe "I want all women to be bisexual." XD In all seriousness, though, I think there is a very large number of women that are bisexual and refuse to admit it. Or that go through a "lesbian phase" but refuse to acknowledge that they are bisexual. I am referring to lesbians too, by the way. I have a friend that is a lesbian, and she was thinking about dating this guy but didn't want to because she would lose her "lesbian street cred" >___> So in that way, she was refusing to admit her bisexuality because she didn't want to lose her identity as a lesbian. |
shinkeikaku said: rTz said: I liked Junjou Romantica. If nothing else, then because the characters actually looked like *guys*, and not like girls. If I wanted a girly uke, I'd watch regular romance. Yeah, Misaki is just a screaming, crying ball of MANILESS that luvs getting raped. At least use a better example. ;-p I meant looked, not acted. The character designs weren't as girlish as some other series. And I have yet to see a series, in all of the romance genre, that does not use stereotypes. Not to say that it isn't bad, but it's not native to yaoi. |
rTzJul 17, 2009 3:41 PM
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Yaoi isn't all that great. NO U. Also, seriously, what's so wrong with women liking girly guys? It doesn't imply they're lesbians at all. It shows that many women have a different idea of the optimal male than men do. A woman not being attracted to hypermasculity is far from being the same as being attracted to women. If they are into women, they'd be into women. Girly guys are not the same as women. It seems like in my experience people attracted to men aren't necessarily so likely to go for hypermasculinty, even if some do. And men, who are not attracted to men, are more likely to get into "GAR" type stuff. Not because they're attracted to men, but because they like to feel that men are superior. But that just means heterosexual women often have a different ideal for men than men do. And moved the gender role and aesthetic to something THEY, a good portion of the fangirls value, not what men value as their role of masculinity. If it meant women were lesbians or any less straight, you'd be seeing a lot more straight guys interested in the stuff. Seriously, people need to stop putting everything slightly out of heteronormality as "gay". This is like saying that men who are into flat chested Tsundere characters, are gay or bisexual. Of course I am sure there are some that doing, knowing how some guys talk. |
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ukonkivi said: Yaoi isn't all that great. NO U. Also, seriously, what's so wrong with women liking girly guys? It doesn't imply they're lesbians at all. It shows that many women have a different idea of the optimal male than men do. A woman not being attracted to hypermasculity is far from being the same as being attracted to women. If they are into women, they'd be into women. Girly guys are not the same as women. It seems like in my experience people attracted to men aren't necessarily so likely to go for hypermasculinty, even if some do. And men, who are not attracted to men, are more likely to get into "GAR" type stuff. Not because they're attracted to men, but because they like to feel that men are superior. But that just means heterosexual women often have a different ideal for men than men do. And moved the gender role and aesthetic to something THEY, a good portion of the fangirls value, not what men value as their role of masculinity. If it meant women were lesbians or any less straight, you'd be seeing a lot more straight guys interested in the stuff. Seriously, people need to stop putting everything slightly out of heteronormality as "gay". This is like saying that men who are into flat chested Tsundere characters, are gay or bisexual. Of course I am sure there are some that doing, knowing how some guys talk. You seem to like talking. |
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ukonkivi said: Yaoi isn't all that great. NO U. Also, seriously, what's so wrong with women liking girly guys? It doesn't imply they're lesbians at all. It shows that many women have a different idea of the optimal male than men do. A woman not being attracted to hypermasculity is far from being the same as being attracted to women. If they are into women, they'd be into women. Girly guys are not the same as women. It seems like in my experience people attracted to men aren't necessarily so likely to go for hypermasculinty, even if some do. And men, who are not attracted to men, are more likely to get into "GAR" type stuff. Not because they're attracted to men, but because they like to feel that men are superior. But that just means heterosexual women often have a different ideal for men than men do. And moved the gender role and aesthetic to something THEY, a good portion of the fangirls value, not what men value as their role of masculinity. If it meant women were lesbians or any less straight, you'd be seeing a lot more straight guys interested in the stuff. Seriously, people need to stop putting everything slightly out of heteronormality as "gay". This is like saying that men who are into flat chested Tsundere characters, are gay or bisexual. Of course I am sure there are some that doing, knowing how some guys talk. Well not all women like the same type of men. Am sure there are women who hate the yaoi style guys. But from what i seem to see even the girls that watch yaoi only like to watch it since they find something appealing in that sort of entertainment. Most of them might not even want to have a relationship with such a girly guy in reality. Just because a guy is not girly at all, doesn't mean he can't be good looking or have good manners. |
MonadJul 17, 2009 7:39 PM
Monad said: Well not all women like the same type of men. I never implied they did. I merely said that there may be a tenancy for women not necessarily like the standard that men like to present themselves as. At least withing the yaoi fandom community, given the average appearance and behavior of yaoi men. Monad said: Am sure there are women who hate the yaoi style guys. As am I. Monad said: Just because a guy in not girly at all, doesn't mean he can't be good looking or have good manners. I take it you mean "girly" to mean physical appearance here, not gender roles. |
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rTz said: And I have yet to see a series, in all of the romance genre, that does not use stereotypes. Not to say that it isn't bad, but it's not native to yaoi. I hope you're just talking about anime series, which tend to be low quality for BL. Manga has plenty of works that don't use stereotypes if you just look. |
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ukonkivi said: I take it you mean "girly" to mean physical appearance here, not gender roles. I mean appearance but most of all way of behavior. Even a man with features that you could say are a little more feminine for example, can seem very manly according to the way he behaves. Usually are eyes see something along with the image that we make in our head about the person. The guys in yaoi are not girly only because of the way they look but because of the way they act also. |
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Monad said: The guys in yaoi are not girly only because of the way they look but because of the way they act also. Again, I didn't imply otherwise. In fact in my first post I mentioned behavior. In fact, if anything I implied gender roles more than aesthetic. And this recent statement I made was because good manners is considered more of a female gender role than a male one. |
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Bubbler said: ukonkivi said: Yaoi isn't all that great. NO U. Also, seriously, what's so wrong with women liking girly guys? It doesn't imply they're lesbians at all. It shows that many women have a different idea of the optimal male than men do. A woman not being attracted to hypermasculity is far from being the same as being attracted to women. If they are into women, they'd be into women. Girly guys are not the same as women. It seems like in my experience people attracted to men aren't necessarily so likely to go for hypermasculinty, even if some do. And men, who are not attracted to men, are more likely to get into "GAR" type stuff. Not because they're attracted to men, but because they like to feel that men are superior. But that just means heterosexual women often have a different ideal for men than men do. And moved the gender role and aesthetic to something THEY, a good portion of the fangirls value, not what men value as their role of masculinity. If it meant women were lesbians or any less straight, you'd be seeing a lot more straight guys interested in the stuff. Seriously, people need to stop putting everything slightly out of heteronormality as "gay". This is like saying that men who are into flat chested Tsundere characters, are gay or bisexual. Of course I am sure there are some that doing, knowing how some guys talk. You seem to like talking. I lol'd. |
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shinkeikaku said: rTz said: And I have yet to see a series, in all of the romance genre, that does not use stereotypes. Not to say that it isn't bad, but it's not native to yaoi. I hope you're just talking about anime series, which tend to be low quality for BL. Manga has plenty of works that don't use stereotypes if you just look. I'm mainly referring to anime, and especially yaoi/harem/magical girl type romances,as they are about as stereotypical as it gets. That said, even watching hollywood romance, you can see obvious and over-used stereotypes. |
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| I DON'T LIKE WATCH YAOI OR YURI OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT'S NOT HOT IT'S DISGUSTING... |
| I watch it for the lulz. And because it's hot...how come girls can't like yaoi but guys can watch yuri and no one thinks bad about them? |
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