| To be fair, many jobs don't require you to know anything about science. That isn't to say you should remain uneducated, but those hard-working individuals who don't know this basic scientific fact shouldn't be criticized, although they now run the risk of influencing their children with their ignorance and incorrect beliefs about the world. To the others who don't, hopefully they have a very good reason for not doing so; otherwise, the academic institutions they attended should consider revising their scientific curriculum... I don't think anyone should miss out on the basics, since you're open to come to weird conclusions to things otherwise. |
FuiFeb 16, 2014 6:28 PM
azzuRe said: Pluto was guarding the space time door on the outer ring, and one day when earth needs help, she and her two other comrades will revive Saturn to save the universe. Presumably while wearing a Japanese schoolgirl outfit and ending every other sentence with "Nyaa~!" |
Tachii said: I did hear Pluto was not classified as a planet anymore, however, I don't actually remember if Pluto is still there orbiting in our solar system? This information is not exactly relevant whatsoever to most people though. There's a significance of knowing we orbit around the Sun, since it explains a lot of stuff like the change of seasons. There isn't however, much significance to know if Pluto is or isn't classified as a planet anymore. The Pluto debate - I'd say - was more political than scientific. The sudden "discoveries" of new "planets" triggered the discussion. As we all know, if you discover a planet, then your discovery is etched into the history books. The consequence of Pluto and all these others marked as dwarf planets renders their new planet discoveries as less significant. At least, it gave them a standard regarding planet classification. It'll be interesting as to how things would turn out -- if by some miracle, human civilization expands beyond this solar system. |
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I read the title. I just meant what they had was appalling. I didn't take it from that doc-- which is huge by the way. The second quote comes from the first document, though the survey (2011 BBVA Foundation survey) is mentioned in a different section (Evolution and the Big Bang -- pg 22) than the first statistic I quoted. It doesn't use the second statistic I quoted in the document body but it shows the results of the survey in the notes at the bottom (pg 48 reference 17). The two surveys aren't related. I just the thought the difference was interesting. |
EeyoreFeb 16, 2014 6:38 PM
| sorry about that, I didn't mean to be so vague in my first post. |
| You mean it DOES?! Next you'll be telling me that the stars don't orbit the Earth, either, or that other people can see me when my eyes are closed. |
Heredity said: Bro-K201 said: Do people really believe this "survey." What a load of horse shit. The article makes no mention about how the survey was conducted, who they surveyed, what the sampling error was, what kind of sample they surveyed, not even what the actual survey question was. They only give a single vague statistic and automatically claim it representative of all of america. It very easy to misconstrue information or alter a question to serve an different purpose. In politics they conduct polls all the time to sway public opinion. They don't even have to publish the results. Just ask a question that will get the public to think negatively about the opposing candidate. Here, the purpose of the survey is very clear. They want money. The information provided does nothing to explain why americans might be less educated, nor does it provide any type of solution. It can however be used to convince the higher ups that "Hey Americans suck at science but they want more science, give us money," A claim that, again, is complete horse shit. I love Google. Well, it appears that I was wrong. I did some digging through the article earlier and was linked to that site, but it wasn't a link to the page specifically. That hurts. Not something I wanted to readily accept (the statistics that is) but, evidence is evidence. One could argue how... relevant some of the data is, considering they polled some who haven't completed high school, elderly, etc. But the broad scope of people would technically be representative of america. There is some interesting data in there too, like the correlation between religion and public opinion about science. There was one comment on the article that also made an interesting point. Something about how students tend to have a conceptual understanding of science, and an understanding of what they learned in the class room, and that schools don't do enough to combine the two. Consequently students stop using the class room understanding of science and well, this happens. |
| Another thing: I'm sure the likes of Galileo are rolling all over their graves. |
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| It's not really stupidity, it's ignorance. I saw a video where some Americans even thought a triangle had four sides. Or one. I mean come on, a one-sided polygon isn't even a polygon. >.> |
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Fexell said: -Linus- said: I don't know where they find these people. I always here about how stupid people are, but I've never actually come across anyone so ignorant. Anecdotal I know, but whatever.. This was me a while ago, too. Until I met a girl going at my school who is actually really... Let's say not so intelligent. While having a very deep conversation with someone, she can in the middle of a sentence say "I found a hair dryer today I really like". When you talk to her, she even seem "empty". She approached me once and held out a cigarette, looked me in the eye and said "Cig". Like she was stating she was holding a cigarette. It actually astound me to the point where I felt dumb. It took me about 15 seconds to ask what she meant, and she just once again replied "Cig". These people do exists... :P I think that's cute. She's just like those airheaded anime girls :3 That doesn't necessarily mean she has low intelligence though. It could be a personality/psychological issue. |
| http://www.unrealfacts.com/45-of-americans-dont-know-the-sun-is-a-star/ Apparently 45% of Americans also don't know the sun is a star... Maybe American schools just have really bad physics teachers?? (I HOPE that's the reason...) |
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| Where exactly was this survey taken? Was it just single state or many? It would be nice if they included that bit of information. People are just ignorant. meh. Probably has to do with subpar education, not with Americans being inherently stupid. skuka said: http://www.unrealfacts.com/45-of-americans-dont-know-the-sun-is-a-star/ Apparently 45% of Americans also don't know the sun is a star... Maybe American schools just have really bad physics teachers?? (I HOPE that's the reason...) My physics teacher was excellent, although I don't know of America as a whole. |
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Cupquake said: Where exactly was this survey taken? Was it just single state or many? It would be nice if they included that bit of information. People are just ignorant. meh. Probably has to do with subpar education, not with Americans being inherently stupid. skuka said: http://www.unrealfacts.com/45-of-americans-dont-know-the-sun-is-a-star/ Apparently 45% of Americans also don't know the sun is a star... Maybe American schools just have really bad physics teachers?? (I HOPE that's the reason...) My physics teacher was excellent, although I don't know of America as a whole. That's a good point - IQ can differ substantially from state to state. |
| Where did they get the people they surveyed? It could be thousands of homeless people who never finished elementary school that showed up because they were offered cash for the survey for all i know. There is no way its that bad because I dont know a single person who does not know that. |
skuka said: Cupquake said: Where exactly was this survey taken? Was it just single state or many? It would be nice if they included that bit of information. People are just ignorant. meh. Probably has to do with subpar education, not with Americans being inherently stupid. skuka said: http://www.unrealfacts.com/45-of-americans-dont-know-the-sun-is-a-star/ Apparently 45% of Americans also don't know the sun is a star... Maybe American schools just have really bad physics teachers?? (I HOPE that's the reason...) My physics teacher was excellent, although I don't know of America as a whole. That's a good point - IQ can differ substantially from state to state. It doesn't have anything to do with IQ. This knowledge has to do with education. But the level of education does vary from state to state. Also agree with taed, I don't know anyone who doesn't know these two facts, we need to know where the survey was taken and who took it before we assume the survey is credible. |
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| I smell bullshit! |
| Let's go bowling. |
StopDropAndBowl said: I smell bullshit! Are you among the 25%? |
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| I think some people were fuckuing with the survey takers. |
ezikialrage said: I think some people were fuckuing with the survey takers. That could be true - but - by no doubt, there are people who don't know their stuff - even something as basic as this. |
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| Maybe the question is so simple they all answered sarcastically. We need a study to see how well scientists understand sarcasm. |
| I highly doubt that people still think the Sun revolves around the Earth. Keep in mind that my generation (1990-now, I guess?) is retarded in the fact that they'd much rather "troll" than act seriously. If they see easy questions for a survey that won't affect their immediate lives, why not put down the stupid answer? So in a way, America is stupid. Very stupid. So stupid that it hurts. We're so intelligent, and have the potential to be the most intelligent generation thus far. But why bother when we can troll and have a little fun? |
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Fexell said: Noldorin said: Fexell said: -Linus- said: I don't know where they find these people. I always here about how stupid people are, but I've never actually come across anyone so ignorant. Anecdotal I know, but whatever.. This was me a while ago, too. Until I met a girl going at my school who is actually really... Let's say not so intelligent. While having a very deep conversation with someone, she can in the middle of a sentence say "I found a hair dryer today I really like". When you talk to her, she even seem "empty". She approached me once and held out a cigarette, looked me in the eye and said "Cig". Like she was stating she was holding a cigarette. It actually astound me to the point where I felt dumb. It took me about 15 seconds to ask what she meant, and she just once again replied "Cig". These people do exists... :P I think that's cute. She's just like those airheaded anime girls :3 That doesn't necessarily mean she has low intelligence though. It could be a personality/psychological issue. I thought so too. But that isn't the case with this girl. She's really slow (mentally). I shouldn't bad-mouth people behind their backs, but unfortunatly this is the truth. Her knowledge ain't that great. :P So she has a mental disability and your talking shit about her online? Wow, what a champ. |
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Fexell said: -Linus- said: I don't know where they find these people. I always here about how stupid people are, but I've never actually come across anyone so ignorant. Anecdotal I know, but whatever.. This was me a while ago, too. Until I met a girl going at my school who is actually really... Let's say not so intelligent. While having a very deep conversation with someone, she can in the middle of a sentence say "I found a hair dryer today I really like". When you talk to her, she even seem "empty". She approached me once and held out a cigarette, looked me in the eye and said "Cig". Like she was stating she was holding a cigarette. It actually astound me to the point where I felt dumb. It took me about 15 seconds to ask what she meant, and she just once again replied "Cig". These people do exists... :P LOL Aw, that's adorable. I like people like that. It's obvious she has a mental disability, but I feel like she'd be great to hang out with. Let me tell you from personal experience, a lot of people with mental disabilities are realest people you'll ever meet. So down to Earth, and they tend to look at things unbiasedly. |
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KyuuAL said: ezikialrage said: I think some people were fuckuing with the survey takers. That could be true - but - by no doubt, there are people who don't know their stuff - even something as basic as this. Some people naturally respond to stupid questions with sarcasm.There is the saying that if you ask a stupid and then you will get a stupid answer. |
ezikialrage said: Some people naturally respond to stupid questions with sarcasm.There is the saying that if you ask a stupid and then you will get a stupid answer. Then there are people who are legitimately stupid - like Fox News viewers. Just to brag, I'm glad to be one of the few people, who are aware to the size of the visible universe. My vision and scope is much broader than the average. |
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| So where in the United States did they grab the sample of people? Detroit? |
KyuuAL said: Your humility is also superior.Just to brag, I'm glad to be one of the few people, who are aware to the size of the visible universe. My vision and scope is much broader than the average. |
j0x said: The survey included more than 2,200 people in the United States and was conducted by the National Science Foundation. Ten questions about physical and biological science were on the quiz, and the average score—6.5 correct—was barely a passing grade. Just 74 percent of respondents knew that the Earth revolved around the Sun, according to the results released at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Chicago. Fewer than half (48 percent) knew that human beings evolved from earlier species of animals. The result of the survey, which is conducted every two years, will be included in a National Science Foundation report to President Barack Obama and US lawmakers. One in three respondents said science should get more funding from the government. Nearly 90 percent said the benefits of science outweigh any dangers, and about the same number expressed interest in learning about medical discoveries. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-02-americans-unaware-earth-circles-sun.html#jCp >More than 2,200 people Wow, that truly is enough to judge the ~314,000,000 people in the United States. Surely it is accurate and surely those 2,200 people were not purposefully cherrypicked out of certain known ignorant areas, such as the middle states and trailer parks. |
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KyuuAL said: Then there are people who are legitimately stupid - like Fox News viewers.. Any credible sources to back that up that claim or are you just spewing bull shit you heard from a liberal rag? . My vision and scope is much broader than the average You are just a partisan hack who is full of himself. |
| nah i call BS on this, they clearly hand picked people for this, 2000 for a survey of a country with 300 million people is just screaming "we set this up". ezikialrage said: if you need proof of fox news being awful then I pity youMy vision and scope is much broader than the average You are just a partisan hack who is full of himself. |
JizzyHitlerFeb 19, 2014 3:39 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Heredity said: TallonKarrde23 said: >More than 2,200 people Wow, that truly is enough to judge the ~314,000,000 people in the United States. Surely it is accurate and surely those 2,200 people were not purposefully cherrypicked out of certain known ignorant areas, such as the middle states and trailer parks. Why? It certainly does prove that not every American knows that the Earth orbits the Sun. I can also prove that not every American knows how to read and write. Can I generalize and say that America is illiterate? |
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Heredity said: Cupquake said: Heredity said: TallonKarrde23 said: >More than 2,200 people Wow, that truly is enough to judge the ~314,000,000 people in the United States. Surely it is accurate and surely those 2,200 people were not purposefully cherrypicked out of certain known ignorant areas, such as the middle states and trailer parks. Why? It certainly does prove that not every American knows that the Earth orbits the Sun. I can also prove that not every American knows how to read and write. Can I generalize and say that America is illiterate? No, but you could say that a certain percentage or a '1 in x' amount of people are illiterate. The source material in the surveys does not generalise. I could probably come up with 1/4 of America doesn't know how to read after interviewing 2,000 people of my choice |
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| It's ironic how many posts are about detailing how 'stupid' the United States is (not specific to these forums) when most Nations do poorly on these types of survey's, a comparison of which is provided on the Nsf site. I'm not going to go into it because, there's no use bashing X country for doing poorly. It's a sad state of affairs world wide and that says enough. None the less, I would be interested in seeing the answers (or hearing) people gave when asked. There is a difference to me at least, from those who just do not know out of ignorance and those who believe it to be so based on some dogmatic belief or ideology. Ignorance while troubling, can be corrected via education, the latter though is a different beast to deal with. As far as everyone saying 2200 isn't a big enough sample size. 2200 people even with a population the size of the United States will produce a 95% confidence level with a 2% margin of error. So the statistics themselves area enough in that regard to make a conclusion. The only issue is how people were chosen and while it may be claimed that it's random, whether someone believes that or not will always be at their own discretion. The same goes with any survey really, data could be manipulated, the people involved may not be an actual representation of the populace, or what have you. Either way, regardless of if you believe the survey itself, the level of education in the United States and elsewhere is a major concern. |
rekindledflameFeb 20, 2014 1:28 AM
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| It's also really impractical to survey all the ~314,000,000 in the US just for one simple survey. :/ |
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Fexell said: Cupquake said: Fexell said: Noldorin said: Fexell said: -Linus- said: I don't know where they find these people. I always here about how stupid people are, but I've never actually come across anyone so ignorant. Anecdotal I know, but whatever.. This was me a while ago, too. Until I met a girl going at my school who is actually really... Let's say not so intelligent. While having a very deep conversation with someone, she can in the middle of a sentence say "I found a hair dryer today I really like". When you talk to her, she even seem "empty". She approached me once and held out a cigarette, looked me in the eye and said "Cig". Like she was stating she was holding a cigarette. It actually astound me to the point where I felt dumb. It took me about 15 seconds to ask what she meant, and she just once again replied "Cig". These people do exists... :P I think that's cute. She's just like those airheaded anime girls :3 That doesn't necessarily mean she has low intelligence though. It could be a personality/psychological issue. I thought so too. But that isn't the case with this girl. She's really slow (mentally). I shouldn't bad-mouth people behind their backs, but unfortunatly this is the truth. Her knowledge ain't that great. :P So she has a mental disability and your talking shit about her online? Wow, what a champ. If you would have read my post, you should be able to see that I wrote "I shouldn't bad-mouth people behind their backs" - which states that I feel guilty about it. And to be fair, the girl has a nice personality. She's kind. I did read it. You feel guilty about it, which means you know it's wrong, yet you still did it. That makes it worse. |
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Fexell said: CallMePriest said: Fexell said: -Linus- said: I don't know where they find these people. I always here about how stupid people are, but I've never actually come across anyone so ignorant. Anecdotal I know, but whatever.. This was me a while ago, too. Until I met a girl going at my school who is actually really... Let's say not so intelligent. While having a very deep conversation with someone, she can in the middle of a sentence say "I found a hair dryer today I really like". When you talk to her, she even seem "empty". She approached me once and held out a cigarette, looked me in the eye and said "Cig". Like she was stating she was holding a cigarette. It actually astound me to the point where I felt dumb. It took me about 15 seconds to ask what she meant, and she just once again replied "Cig". These people do exists... :P LOL Aw, that's adorable. I like people like that. It's obvious she has a mental disability, but I feel like she'd be great to hang out with. Let me tell you from personal experience, a lot of people with mental disabilities are realest people you'll ever meet. So down to Earth, and they tend to look at things unbiasedly. This is true. She, as said, is very kind. Though trying to have a deep conversation with her is completely out of the question. I like kind people. I'd take someone like that over an intelligent jerk anyday. |
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Shiratori99 said: Fexell said: CallMePriest said: Fexell said: -Linus- said: I don't know where they find these people. I always here about how stupid people are, but I've never actually come across anyone so ignorant. Anecdotal I know, but whatever.. This was me a while ago, too. Until I met a girl going at my school who is actually really... Let's say not so intelligent. While having a very deep conversation with someone, she can in the middle of a sentence say "I found a hair dryer today I really like". When you talk to her, she even seem "empty". She approached me once and held out a cigarette, looked me in the eye and said "Cig". Like she was stating she was holding a cigarette. It actually astound me to the point where I felt dumb. It took me about 15 seconds to ask what she meant, and she just once again replied "Cig". These people do exists... :P LOL Aw, that's adorable. I like people like that. It's obvious she has a mental disability, but I feel like she'd be great to hang out with. Let me tell you from personal experience, a lot of people with mental disabilities are realest people you'll ever meet. So down to Earth, and they tend to look at things unbiasedly. This is true. She, as said, is very kind. Though trying to have a deep conversation with her is completely out of the question. I like kind people. I'd take someone like that over an intelligent jerk anyday. Yessir, I agree 110%. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Wow, that truly is enough to judge the ~314,000,000 people in the United States. Surely it is accurate and surely those 2,200 people were not purposefully cherrypicked out of certain known ignorant areas, such as the middle states and trailer parks. Those people are a true representation of 'murrica -- rather than America. |
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