Naruto Chapter 518 Discussion

Fai said:


But that happens in believable ways and in believable directions. Unlike in there.


He would not. He would man up, he would learn from the experiences he had. He would even maybe undersand on how foolish is this whole unhealthy chase saaauce stuff is.


And Pain deeply destructive? Pain had a very great idea and a very great way of implicating at least temporary, but realistic peace. THe way that worked perfectly in our world. He wanted a "hiroshima" to happen, he wanted the people to get scared of the war machine they created, he wanted the world to enter into sort of end-coldwar era, so the conflicts are not going on and countries, understanding just how dangerous the tools of destruction they have, want so solve more things in diplomatic way. Instead he was defeated by a book and 10 year old's logic of utopia.

Naruto did NOT learn anything from the whole pain situation. Instead of giving us some worldbuilding and partI-style realism, kishi went with complete black and white idea that was used in another similarly awful thing, gundam seed destiny. It was also what ruined the whole season 2 of code geass.



He did not?

His original goal was to become a hokage and prove the world that even if you start as shit, you can reach the heights with pure willpower and hard work.

He is now hyperventilating about sasuke, and talking about dieing together with him. How is that even remotely close to the goal?




I'll give you that he has changed. But he became way more obnoxious and self absorbed. Sasuke is basically his no1 obsession in unhealthy amounts.

If he was maturing and growing up, he should have understood that you can't save everyone, that wars can't be completely eradicated into utopia, that lesser sacrifices must be made in order to retain the greater good. That foolish ideals of 10 year old won't bring you anywhere close to the seat of a leader of one of few assassination and espionage machines in the world.

And whats wrong with killing? You are living in an old world with old rules. Naruto world is not some usa or other country where this sudden increase of pacifism and fighting guns with flowers started in 70's.

Naruto lives in what was in the part I, a medieval japan-like world. Treachery, Assassinations, wars are the casual stuff. Without actually being strong and managing to overcome your softness, you can't reach any goal.




Well, I take you like that and enjoy that and thats sad.


Characters should not go 180 degrees on their personality.

For example, if someone took Ed from FMA manga and made him into weak hippie that her should hug his enemies and stop world wars and stuff...Ed matured without loosing his goals, without loosing his character and pecoming into pacifistic weak wimp. It waws one of the VERY rare shonen series where main character actually grew up and grew up in non-debilitating way(unlike naruto)




Sakura was built up as anti-genjutsu expert for entirety of part I, which would have made her a perfect member of then team-based storyline(when the fights did not involve main characters powering up auras, flying into the sky and throwing rasengans at each other shouting about ideals). She had her decent moments, but its clear that Kishi decided to sideline her just after or during the chunin exam (the part where the manga started to falter).

In Part II she is not a "doctor". she is this useless panel filler that apprears every few chapters, fails to do something, gets saved and disappears for next dozen of chapters where naruto hyperventilates and talks about killing himself.

Sakura became EVEN WORSE than she was at the end of Part I. Instead of growing up and becoming a real character(like for example, Winry from fma or Sakura from TRC). not getting over your foolish teen-crush you had when you were 10 year old is not healthy.(same goes for Naruto)



Part I!Kakashi: Hmmmm, i'll use this water technique, trick opponent, then use this fire technique to....
PartII!Kakashi: Kamui!Kamui!Raigeki!Raigeki!Raigeki!pew!pew!Kamui!Raigeki. *

Part I Naruto: a combination of taijutsu, a clever use of basic ninja techniques, some nuke-moves, a lot of willpower.

PartII Naruto: RasenganRasenganRasenganRasenganRasengan! *reads a ero-book to enemy* please forfeit hatred for i am messiah~

PartI Sakura: genjutsu detection, more brain-power, trickery, resisting stuff.

PartIISakura: superstrength!superstrength!superstrength!superstrength!Heal!*gets sidelined*

Kages in part I - those wise old generals who have led the long lives, had many assassination attempts and know millions of various techniques that they use effectively.

Kages in partI: one-trick-ponies.

Minato in Part I: this awesome, but mysterious figure. Something naruto could look up to. Someone who was brilliant in combat, leadership, espionage and everything else the leader would need.

Minato in PartII: An annoying teenager who got defeated by guy-in-mask-hatred, cried a bit and did double suicide for some sort of xanathos gambit.

Kyuubi attack in Part I: a huge and devastating event. A calamity that looks like a huge storm. A god, embodiment of nature, a spirit beyong human comprehension lashing out his anger on a village in the forest, with thousands of ninjas fighting him and dieing and their leader deciding to seal him in a least heroic attempt to stop him.

Kyuubi attack in part II: Madara Appears. Madara trolls. Minato cries. Sarutobi spams laser barrier. Other ninjas stand around doing nothing. Kyuubi is sealed.




If that was true, we woul dhave had a formidable samurai armies, shoguns who take an active role in politics and are quick to anger. We would also NEVER have had this huge PEACE-alliance-utopia thing that happened and ninja would not take the full frontal combat.

We would also have learned more about the other countries and get more stealthy, lower-scale epic ninja missions like in the start of part I.




Tell that to Sakura and Sasuke.


So you are agreeing that the current sakura is even worse than her silly teenager self of part I?



now i know that you are disilusioned.

Last time Naruto actually WORKED for power ups, was sage mode. And last time SASUKE worked for powerups was chakra training in part I...




Because manga was good in the past and I do not want to stop after I have read this many chapters. I have to stick to the end no matter how crappy it will be, otherwsie the whole reading will be pointless. I owe at least that much to the awesome world and atmosphere of zabuza arc and overall part I.


So making sense equals stagnation? And story, its characters, etc, should jump all over the place and do 180degree changes in very convenient but stupid plot twists where c ertain one gary stu villain is put above everything?


But you see, thats the part of free world.

Why should I NOT exclaim my disappointments in the manga i am reading? why should only positive hype and worship be posted?This is not china. this is not russia. I can say my opinion on the thing and argument, because thats what freedom of speech is.