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Have Faith, It Gets Good After 300+ Episodes.
May 3, 2022 9:53 AM
#51
Well, I never listen to advices even if others say that I shouldn't even start it. If I think that it's for me and I'll like it no one will convince me that it's bad and so on. Maybe some months on-hold and stuff but I definitely watch it till the end. But if I think that I won't like it, I don't start it no matter what xd Usually I manage to find something that I like in every anime, so there's really a few anime that I don't want to watch. |
May 3, 2022 10:13 AM
#52
At that point you're just at copium or masochist:) |
May 3, 2022 10:28 AM
#53
If I feel it’s good I haven’t watched detective Conan or one piece I watched bleach I liked most of what I saw being it one of my first anime though looking back at it, I just feel it’s alright same goes for Naruto Liked gintama from the start, tbh drop it if you don’t like that nabe shogun episode ep 25 then drop it I didn’t like fairy tail watched a few eps |
May 3, 2022 10:30 AM
#54
one piece is one of the few long anime that i watch, and i definitely liked it after the first few episodes, so if someone isn't feeling it after at least one completed arc, it's best to drop it, or read the manga to see if it gets better in their perspective. |
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May 3, 2022 10:32 AM
#55
Punkero said: KIOSHI_17 said: Punkero said: Naruto gets good during chunin exams, which is around episode 20 Bleach at Soul Society, which is around episode 20 as well. One Piece, accroding to some of it's fans, at Arlong Park, which yes, starts at episode 69, but for me it was Arabasta, which starts at epsidoe 155. Gintama gets to it's best at around 75 episodes. Detective conan is pretty much the same thought the whole thing, but the introduction of Ai Haibara at around epsiode 110 pretty much sets a before and after for the series. And as someone said up there, if you are like me and have been watching anime for years and don't plan to stop any time soon, commiting to these popular long shows is not hard. I have other +100 episodes shows planned for the near and not so near future. Arlong park starts at episode 31 and it's somewhat around episode 90 for alabasta You are correct, for some reason I got it confused with manga chapters. Yeah I thought you got got confused or something too lol. Those numbers were resembling the manga chapters and I looked it up to confirm it. |
May 3, 2022 10:45 AM
#56
No, that's generally a lie or at the very best a misunderstanding. When people say 'It gets good after X episodes' what they mean is 'It gets better'. They liked the show from the start but only fell in love with it later on, something like that. But it doesn't mean that someone who hates the early stuff will make a complete 180 in their opinion after a certain episode. Usually it only works if you kinda like the show from the start. The early eps usually already have the main cast and if you don't get some enjoyment from them, that is unlikely to change later on. So my tip is to never listen to anyone telling you to watch more than like 3-5 eps of any given show. At least not when you just don't like a show early on instead of just not being sure whether it really is as good as people say. Like can grow into love with more episodes, but dislike or hate is unlikely to turn into love. It's more likely the guy will just get more hateful towards the show when people made him waste so much time on it. |
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May 3, 2022 12:22 PM
#57
The reason why I wasted so much time watching Gintama yes |
May 3, 2022 12:26 PM
#58
Vast majority of content you can tell from the first episode if you are going to enjoy it. There are some exceptions JoJo you need to get past the first 9 episodes and Steins Gate like the first 8. OP kinda does though still if you hate East Blue it's unlikely you will like Arlong anyway. Like I only mildly enjoyed East Blue but I still enjoyed it which set me up to get really into Arlong. If you hate all the characters, comedic tropes, art style and the setting why are you going to enjoy it down the road? Ultimately it does depend on why you want to drop a series but most cases the first episode is all you truly need. As while content can develop and evolve obviously the initial attraction needs to be there to care at all about that development. |
May 3, 2022 12:51 PM
#59
Does it even matter if it actually does get better after XXX number of episodes? I had a hard enough time with Steins;Gate’s “It gets better after 12 episodes” shtick. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect it to just all be good, especially if I have to invest multiple hours, or even days, into a series. |
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May 3, 2022 1:00 PM
#60
If I somewhat enjoyed the weaker eps I might stick with it to see if it gets better like gintama, but if I completely hate it then no there's no way something would go from shit to amazing at one particular ep. |
May 3, 2022 1:15 PM
#61
Remides_Arden said: 300 episodes are just too much of an ask for me. The max I can take is probably 12 or 13 episodes. Btw is HxH good right from the beginning? Been meaning to watch it for a while. I have free time after my semester ends. yea hxh is really good, but it starts off with the worst arc, the Hunter Exam. Though, the hunter exam is still pretty good |
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May 3, 2022 5:14 PM
#62
May 3, 2022 5:25 PM
#63
Deago said: Yes, but if you disregard that genuine advice, you may miss a masterpiece that would have been on your list of favourite anime. By definition it's not a masterpiece if a show is X% filler/bad. Besides you don't need 100+ episode of anything to get it right. Either you know what you're doing or it's all a long con. The true test of quality is giving you more with less, not the other way around. |
May 3, 2022 5:41 PM
#64
I'm an adult in my late 30s who's long figured out what his tastes are and aren't after watching anime for 26 years. I'm out as soon as I am not entertained, whenever that may be. Many things only take a single episode for me to know I should abandon ship. Time wasted on bad/boring anime is better off spent finding a good anime instead. |
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May 3, 2022 5:58 PM
#65
It totally depends on my motivation and mood. If I want to force myself then I might continue. If I don't like it or don't want to then no. Nirinbo said: source: I watched 300+ episodes of Gintama and it got worse instead First time I heard that. I guess how the plot goes on and how they carry the story doesn't go along with your taste since there are also people that only like the comedy side of Gintama and doesn't like the turn of event into its seriousness. |
๐๐ผ๐๐ ๐ผ๐ ๐บ๐ผ๐๐๐ด๐๐ด - NOT your usual shounen anime - Pure comedy? DEAD WRONG - Treat Gintama as SoL/weekly sitcom especially earlier seasons - Ep 1 & 2 are for manga readers - BIG patience for its 'slow' start |
May 3, 2022 6:12 PM
#66
I definitely believe in it gets good after some episodes. Especially with longer series, as they don't necessarily come into their own until a certain point. They may still be experimenting with ideas or trying to figure out what the overall theme will be, so they need a moment to get on their feet. And, even with one-cour series I tend to keep an open mind up to the third episode. You said 300 was just a placeholder basically, but when I clicked on this thread I was certainly thinking: If someone told me to watch this anime and that it got good after 300 episodes, I'd probably just brush them off. |
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May 3, 2022 8:10 PM
#67
Maybe it does, but I will not be there to witness it lol |
May 4, 2022 1:30 AM
#68
tinker3bellz1 said: Nirinbo said: source: I watched 300+ episodes of Gintama and it got worse instead First time I heard that. I guess how the plot goes on and how they carry the story doesn't go along with your taste since there are also people that only like the comedy side of Gintama and doesn't like the turn of event into its seriousness. Gintama was enjoyable as a slice of life with quirky characters, but I was never a fan of the comedy and even less of the serious arcs. The stretch of episodes between 125 and 145 was the part I liked the most. |
May 4, 2022 3:24 AM
#69
I'm the type that prefers the beginning up to the middle to be good. Don't care about the middle to the ending being bad. But for the beginning to be bad and it getting good after 6 or more episodes. That's not for me. Unless someone knows me well enough to ensure me, that after so and so ep, things get epic and the ending is exactly what I would like, I won't touch the anime. |
May 4, 2022 3:46 AM
#70
Nah not interested if i like series from start then yeah I will continue or else I will drop them... |
May 4, 2022 4:39 AM
#71
Zokzon said: Remides_Arden said: Yes, it is one of the few shounen which is good from the ep 1 and it is somewhat different from other shounen too.Btw is HxH good right from the beginning? Been meaning to watch it for a while. I have free time after my semester ends. That's just the Togashi factor, and the studio not making stupid decisions. Yu Yu Hakusho is much the same way. Hell, it didn't turn "typical shounen" until about 25 episodes in, and that was just that one borderline painfully dragged out Dark Tournament nonsense. The fact that it's hailed as the best arc of the anime says a lot about why I value most weebs opinion about as much as cigarette butts in a gutter. |
May 4, 2022 4:51 AM
#72
sure i "believe it", but that sure as hell doesn't mean i'm going to watch 300+ episodes on the chance that i might like it later down the line |
May 4, 2022 4:55 AM
#73
Gallowmere1984 said: Ikr how dare they have different opinion than yours.Zokzon said: Remides_Arden said: Btw is HxH good right from the beginning? Been meaning to watch it for a while. I have free time after my semester ends. That's just the Togashi factor, and the studio not making stupid decisions. Yu Yu Hakusho is much the same way. Hell, it didn't turn "typical shounen" until about 25 episodes in, and that was just that one borderline painfully dragged out Dark Tournament nonsense. The fact that it's hailed as the best arc of the anime says a lot about why I value most weebs opinion about as much as cigarette butts in a gutter. |
May 4, 2022 5:13 AM
#74
I'll call that not only does no show get better after X00 episodes, but that no show with episode counts in the hundred can ever be good. Brevity and efficiency makes good media, not duration. |
Well I for one already loved Lain. |
May 4, 2022 6:23 AM
#75
therefore-I-AM said: As for Detective Conan, I am sorry but I had to drop the entire series because I couldn't get past even half of the episode. Ehh? What happened in the first 10 minutes of the first episode that could make the whole series unpleasant to you ๐ค The inciting incident doesn't even happen until the second half of the first episode, and the entire premise only starts from episode 2. |
May 4, 2022 6:46 AM
#76
It's the same as the "it gets good after 100 hours" argument I've heard about games. If a series doesn't capture my interest after 10 episodes, then why even bother watching 300 episodes? |
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May 4, 2022 8:52 AM
#77
if you dislike conan's aimbot skill then you don't have to wait for a villain to dodge it to finally get satisfied for one or two mere episode. Try to find something that can carry you through all episode, anything that you feel joy watching in that show. like one piece the animation gets better, the fights get better, but it's just that a certain character becomes michael jackson in one piece. |
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May 4, 2022 9:50 AM
#78
In case of One Piece, yeah definitely. But for others, umm not sure |
May 4, 2022 10:03 AM
#79
I could watch 300 episodes of a show that there's a chance I might like later, or I can spend that time and finish 25 twelve episode shows I actually enjoy. Also even if it does end up being great, that'll never make up for THREE HUNDRED bad episodes. I have a hard time finishing a bad show that's 12 episodes, anybody who seriously thinks you should watch 300+ episodes for it "to get good" is cracked. |
May 4, 2022 10:26 AM
#80
If someone tells me "it gets good after 300+ episode" then 9/10 I know it not for me, it shouldn't take that many episodes to do world building, compelling and interesting characters and a compelling storyline but if its good enough then I'll give it a go but other than that I'd rather it kept to less than 300 eps for a whole series. |
May 4, 2022 10:27 AM
#81
I believe in " Hmm I kinda find this anime boring, but Imma keep watching for 3 more episodes to see if it gets good" **3 episodes later** (Route 1) "wow it does get better" (Route 2) "Not my taste, I think I will watch something else" I also believe in "It's only the first episode of the anime and I find it boring, I think imma watch something else instead of wasting my time watching something I don't enjoy" |
May 4, 2022 11:10 AM
#82
OP said the number of episodes is irrelevant. So I'm gonna interpret that as 20 episodes to get rolling. I came up when anime was curated for you and you could only watch what the TV executives let you. So I don't really get younger viewers saying they could be watching something better. We watch anime in our free time, so why act like your life will be so much worse because you watched an ok show? All the choice we have in anime messes with our heads. A lot of fans watch anime because of FOMO and unfair expectations and hate on a show because it is just alright. Like HxH 2011. To me it was phenomenal as I read the manga and watched the OVA's first. But to say it is outright horrible is a huge stretch. People really just want to hate because shows don't reach their expectations. Like myself and Tokyo Revengers, an absolute trash anime. The difference is that actually watching Tokyo Revengers is literally offensive to me. If you kept watching a long running show, I want to believe you found at least one thing you can enjoy in it. And if you can't you will be just fine. There is enough anime out there for you to find what works for you. And sometimes you gotta take those L's watching anime so you can learn what you won't like, such as Big Order, an anime with a great first episode that slowly shit the bed for the other 9 episodes. |
May 4, 2022 11:30 AM
#83
I have forced myself to watch some long running anime just to see what the hell people are hyping them about. For example, I knew I was absolutely going to hate Jojo and Gintama from their first episodes, yet I forced myself to finish Jojo 1-5 and the 201 episodes of Gintama. And guess what? Never in my 600+ anime experience have I ever seen an anime that "got better" in a significant way. If I rated the first episode a 5, the highest the series would ever be is about a 6. And that's not because I'm watching it with a hate boner, but it's just the amount of narrative data that's encoded in the first episode is a reliable predictor of its quality. One of these days I'll finish watching the shorter sequels of Gintama, and I'm not getting my hopes up. People might ask why I'd be wasting the time. I don't know... MFDOOMED said: Actually, the stupidity of Tokyo Revengers insulted my sense the entire way through. Exactly like how Jojo and Gintama did. The only difference is that the long running shows have more episodes, so in that sense, they're worse. It's one thing to take a bite of a shit sandwich, it's another thing to have a shit sandwich buffet that never gets better. The respectfulness of a watcher's time must be considered in its rating.The difference is that actually watching Tokyo Revengers is literally offensive to me. If you kept watching a long running show, I want to believe you found at least one thing you can enjoy in it. And if you can't you will be just fine. There is enough anime out there for you to find what works for you. Like the high school English teacher says, "An essay should be as long as it needs to be to get the point across, and no longer..." I think that's why FMA:B was so respected. It got its point across in about 50 episodes. It could've have been 5 episodes shorter perhaps. On the other hand, the majority of long running show I've seen could be vastly improved with a "Kai" version that could reduce its episode length by more than 70%. |
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May 4, 2022 12:22 PM
#84
Zokzon said: That’s exactly what makes said opinions useless to me. That’s kinda how that works.Gallowmere1984 said: Ikr how dare they have different opinion than yours.Zokzon said: Remides_Arden said: Yes, it is one of the few shounen which is good from the ep 1 and it is somewhat different from other shounen too.Btw is HxH good right from the beginning? Been meaning to watch it for a while. I have free time after my semester ends. That's just the Togashi factor, and the studio not making stupid decisions. Yu Yu Hakusho is much the same way. Hell, it didn't turn "typical shounen" until about 25 episodes in, and that was just that one borderline painfully dragged out Dark Tournament nonsense. The fact that it's hailed as the best arc of the anime says a lot about why I value most weebs opinion about as much as cigarette butts in a gutter. |
May 4, 2022 12:46 PM
#85
I believed people who say it gets really good later on, but I wouldn't keep watching if it was a chore to get through to begin with. |
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May 4, 2022 1:03 PM
#86
Alcoholicide said: I agree with you for the most part, but anyone looking to seriously tackle a long running series has to be willing to put in an initial investment, if you aren't willing to do that, it's best to stay away. Three episodes of a 12 episode cour is 1/4 of the show. One fourth of One Piece is over 250 episodes. So, it's not really that unreasonable to watch close to 50 episodes (end of Arlong Park is 44) in order to get a proper feel for it. Of course, that initial investment is dependent on the length of the series to begin with. No, that's generally a lie or at the very best a misunderstanding. When people say 'It gets good after X episodes' what they mean is 'It gets better'. They liked the show from the start but only fell in love with it later on, something like that. But it doesn't mean that someone who hates the early stuff will make a complete 180 in their opinion after a certain episode. Usually it only works if you kinda like the show from the start. The early eps usually already have the main cast and if you don't get some enjoyment from them, that is unlikely to change later on. So my tip is to never listen to anyone telling you to watch more than like 3-5 eps of any given show. At least not when you just don't like a show early on instead of just not being sure whether it really is as good as people say. Like can grow into love with more episodes, but dislike or hate is unlikely to turn into love. It's more likely the guy will just get more hateful towards the show when people made him waste so much time on it. |
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May 4, 2022 3:04 PM
#87
I personally do since I watch everything to completion anyways, regardless of how much I might not be enjoying it. However it is still stupid logic that you have to sift through hours worth of what the other person is basically admitting is crap, just to get to what's "good". You aren't obligated to sit and watch that much of a show you aren't enjoying, regardless of how "good" it gets later. So if you aren't a completionist and you aren't enjoying what you're watching, ignore people who try to guilt you into feeling like you're missing out. |
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May 4, 2022 3:23 PM
#88
Deago said: imagine watching 300 episodes in hopes the show gets good but then it doesn't. then you either have to convince everyone (yourself included) that it got good or admit you've made a fool of yourselfThe number written was arbitrary, but you get the idea; it is about continuing to watch long-running anime franchises such as Gintama, Dragon Ball, One Piece, Detective Conan, Naruto, and so on, even if you are not enjoying the series. Do you take the advice and force yourself to watch? Or do you ignore the advice and go watch something else? |
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May 4, 2022 3:37 PM
#89
Deago said: I personally don't believe in the whole idea of "it gets good after 300 episodes so stick with it" . An anime does not just simply get good after 300 or so episodes. There has to be something maybe a specific character a specific storyline just anything that urges you to watch more of it as opposed to someone telling you it gets good after x number of episodes and you sit there and watch aimlessly. Basically what I'm trying to say is don't stick with any anime that doesn't give you any feasible reason to stick with it. In my case, I enjoyed Gintama from the get-go and it's actually at the later arcs I sorta got bored with it, One-piece same thing, I stuck through the pacing because I love the characters, the worldbuilding, the power structure, and most importantly, the infectious story. Naruto is a bit of the same too. There was an obvious lack of quality but there was still something to look forward to. Will Naruto become Hokage? We still had great fights that kept me glued to my screen and whatnot. So it's those kinds of stuff that keeps you watching a long-running series and not so much the moment that it gets "good" which is subjective.The number written was arbitrary, but you get the idea; it is about continuing to watch long-running anime franchises such as Gintama, Dragon Ball, One Piece, Detective Conan, Naruto, and so on, even if you are not enjoying the series. Do you take the advice and force yourself to watch? Or do you ignore the advice and go watch something else? |
May 4, 2022 6:12 PM
#90
If you don't like something but you continue to watch it for 300 episodes then you have some mad dedication. |
May 4, 2022 6:31 PM
#91
I've never watched an anime long enough for it to take 300 episodes before it gets good. I've heard people describe Gintama as if it's some sort of uphill scale of quality, where it starts off as dog water and by the end it's heavenly, and I've been watching that for a couple years now and it seems pretty good. I have a rule to finish any entry I start, so if a show is multiple seasons and I didn't like the first then someone's going to have to yell at me before I watch any more if it. |
May 4, 2022 6:35 PM
#92
No, I don't believe. I think that this is pretext that fans given for another people not drop your favorite animes. |
May 4, 2022 6:41 PM
#93
Some anime has the capability of being an experience from the very start instead of a grind so I'm leaning to watch multiple titles instead of one long one since I'm kinda picky these days it leads to me finding anime titles that works for me more than failures. |
May 4, 2022 6:53 PM
#94
It kind of depends on the amount of episodes in a series overall, because if it is episode 300 out of 1200 then then I do not think that is a problem; however, if it is episode out of 500 then that is too late in my opinion, and even it the anime does get better from that point I would not be able to say the anime was good as a whole since it was bad for so long. I think Brouto is a good example of this as I think it is fair to say the series improved after about 150 - 200 episodes, but if I remember correctly there have been 247 episodes in the anime so far. This means that it was underwhelming for over half the series, and therefore I can not say that it was a good anime only average at best. |
May 4, 2022 6:56 PM
#95
Are you trying to make me get into One Piece? |
Maybe try sleeping? |
May 4, 2022 7:30 PM
#96
Maybe I will give it a chance but just don't turn out to be Naruto again |
May 4, 2022 7:35 PM
#97
@katsucats Your post was pretty great. It's pretty tough to argue against your points, but here is my best attempt. Hype and FOMO is the enemy. Especially if you are giving long running shows a shot. You as well as other people said shows don't really get better. Where they start is where they end is how I interpreted what you said. Gundam Double Zeta and Radiant are my picks for shows with mediocre to terrible beginnings that changed up to be much better than the competition. And Radiant season 2 I would put up against just about any anime. I think the narrative data encoded in the first episode is not always the best way to judge a show. Fundamentally, I think we differ because I look forward to a long running show if the premise is something I can get behind and there are enough little things to keep me going. I don't believe brevity is the soul of wit. I would say the premise is 90% of why any anime fan should give a show a shot. If you have watched at least 100+ anime, a number you passed a while ago, then the premise will also be the reason you stick with the show for however long you decide to watch it. In general, I believe all anime watchers should watch anime based on premise and not hype. I don't treat anime like open world games. We have tools to make the longer anime more manageable to watch and you can usually feel like there is a point to you watching the anime that you gave a shot. Unless we are talking about Inuyasha or most of Gintama. Those shows often feel like there is no point and nothing much happens whether you watch 10 episodes or 40. An anime doesn't have to be a waste of time and often isn't one provided you checked off a few boxes before continuing to watch that show. Maybe Jojo's premise of spectacle and situation didn't resonate with you. That is super cool. But you gave it a shot and didn't bash it. That mindset is all we really need as anime fans for stuff we don't like. Your points were really well put together and I agree with most of your them. I can only really debate you if you give me a stance I can disagree with you on. |
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May 4, 2022 7:44 PM
#98
I don't ever watch long running series unless I've watched it when it first aired. I prefer reading the manga instead. I don't have a problem dropping stuff either, that time is better spent on something else. |
May 4, 2022 10:12 PM
#99
My take on it is if it takes more than an hour's worth of unbearably boring trash before it gets good, then it's never going to be in the first place. There's tons of 2-cour shows that is initially gripping out there, I see no valid reason why I should torture myself on X00 repulsing episodes of Hxh or Gintama. |
May 4, 2022 11:17 PM
#100
sometimes its not that the show gets good at ep. 300+, but you just start to understand the show at ep. 300+. An example for me is Regular Show. At first I watched it because there was literally nothing else to watch on tv as if I was forced to. But as I got used to their humor, I begun to like the show. I know this is not an anime, but I didn't have such an experience with an anime yet. Back to your question. Now that the power of internet and infinite amount of shows is under my disposal, I limit myself to max 20 boring episodes until it gets good |
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