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Damn I'm so mixed up with my feelings right now. You see a very furious Oden charging towards the flower capital to slice up Orochi and a little bit after he's making a clown of himself by dancing naked before the palace? What's going on? I'm so pissed about the fact the Orochi was laughing about Oden and the people losing their respect for him. What did Orochi do?
I'm also surprised that this old man Semimaru had the Bari Bari no Mi Bartolomeo got later. I was really wondering who would be able to stop Oden, but now this makes sense. Still I'm lost about what Oden did afterwards but I guess we get an explanation in the next episode.
Was nice to see Rogers and Whitebeards last conversation. But what a tease again with the meaning of "D".
So we got to see the for us very well known execution scene of Roger again. I guess no matter how often I see it it will always give me goosebumps. So many familiar faces and big names who witnessed this. What a great life Roger had. He was ill and still managed to reach his goals. I'm sure the pirate era would have never become such a big thing without him.
Whatever happened to Oden I guess reading about Roger brought him back to his senses. Now it's time for the final act of Odens story. Yep I'm not ready.
Doesn't Oden seem... weak somehow? I mean he lived and fought with the strongest pirates of all time and can't find a way to break through one of Bartolomeo's barriers? I mean if haki would not work then that devil fruit seems vastly overpowered.
Gator said: Doesn't Oden seem... weak somehow? I mean he lived and fought with the strongest pirates of all time and can't find a way to break through one of Bartolomeo's barriers? I mean if haki would not work then that devil fruit seems vastly overpowered.
According to Bartolomeo, the barrier is unbreakable. Oda also came out and said in an SBS that it wouldn’t be a very good barrier if it could be broken. What would be even the point of the fruit if it was breakable? So far it has easily withstood the King Punch, and now here Oden, who is one of the strongest characters in OP. It's not like Oden went all out in his slash to kill Orochi, but even if he did, he wouldn't be able to break the barrier. Not even Roger would be able to break through it.
Gator said: Doesn't Oden seem... weak somehow? I mean he lived and fought with the strongest pirates of all time and can't find a way to break through one of Bartolomeo's barriers? I mean if haki would not work then that devil fruit seems vastly overpowered.
basically what sumchi said. It's not that oden is weak. It's just that barto's barrier is just ridiculously strong
Natsu88 said: Damn I'm so mixed up with my feelings right now. You see a very furious Oden charging towards the flower capital to slice up Orochi and a little bit after he's making a clown of himself by dancing naked before the palace? What's going on? I'm so pissed about the fact the Orochi was laughing about Oden and the people losing their respect for him. What did Orochi do?
I was thinking about this too but I reckon it's just like how Gol D. Roger let himself get executed (since he was dying anyway), Oden is making sure no-one will ever submit to Orochi.
That's why he's acting so silly and people saying that their kids should never become like him, a person submitting defeat to Orochi.
These people don't care about their own image and we've seen this with a lot of characters throughout One Piece, doing what's good for the bigger picture ^^
At least that's my interpretation from this episode, I might be wrong.
This episode is a very concise critique of the inherent dangers of inherited leadership. Oden is forced to submit to an inherently weaker opponent because:
1 - He didn't accept responsibility when it was offered to him in his youth and then just expected it to be given back to him when it suited him later on.
2 - He reacted with rage to a situation that he didn't understand at all and was then caught in a quandary that brute force and anger couldn't resolve.
To me he has always been one of the least admirable "good guys" in One Piece.
Roger just got executed, Oden is unsuccessful in killing the cancer of Wano, Orochi and his Kurozumi clansmen, and Oden is making a fool of himself in the public. A dark age is upon them.
I’m waiting for the day of Orochi’s death, interesting devil fruits the ones they have there. Why the fuck did Oden danced, I thought that he was the old woman transformed in Oden just to ridicule him. Roger died, finally, I wonder what answered Roger to Whitebeard’s question about the D.
dbaranyi said: This episode is a very concise critique of the inherent dangers of inherited leadership. Oden is forced to submit to an inherently weaker opponent because:
1 - He didn't accept responsibility when it was offered to him in his youth and then just expected it to be given back to him when it suited him later on.
2 - He reacted with rage to a situation that he didn't understand at all and was then caught in a quandary that brute force and anger couldn't resolve.
To me he has always been one of the least admirable "good guys" in One Piece.
Wow, I completely agree, just brute force without thinking real plans.
There was nothing that Oden could've done, so to avoid escalation and tensions, the safest thing he could've done is to play along by acting dumb, dancing naked.
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No idea wtf was up with oden, what a weird lad indeed.
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But my feels.
It looked like Oden really was about to cut Orochi, good on him. Cause we all know Luffy won't do it. Even to Kaido. This show is good at portraying villains at the height of evilness only to be beat up and put behind bars in the end like fucking really? What about some good ol public execution like what happened to Roger? And Ace? And Whitebeard? Now that I think about it has there ever been a villain who died in this show? I bet after all this, Orochi and Kaido would still be alive. Beat up but alive. Lol some justice. This is why I like redo of healer.
Man, that's stupid. Oden should've known how to fight against devil fruit powers, especially against a measly barrier. Oden traveled the world for half a decade surrounded by the most powerful men of that era and yet his combat ability stagnated. Realistically, Oden should've been able to deal with Kaido and Orochi. This kinda ruins the story for me since it doesn't make sense how weak Oden has become. I guess the author nerfed Oden on purpose or there'd be no story for Luffy and his crew.
It's obvious that those are the exiled Kurozumi grandparents.
Oden is a badly written character. He was selfish enough to leave his country behind to be ruined and when he came back he did nothing to fight for it. He had no reason to be defeated. I guess he's mostly a plot device.
MxS7HGS said: Man, that's stupid. Oden should've known how to fight against devil fruit powers, especially against a measly barrier.
You do realize that the barrier is unbreakable, right? Bartolomeo said so in Dressrosa and that old man who protected Orochi also made it very clear. The barrier has never been broken by anyone and never will.
MxS7HGS said: Oden traveled the world for half a decade surrounded by the most powerful men of that era and yet his combat ability stagnated. Realistically, Oden should've been able to deal with Kaido and Orochi. This kinda ruins the story for me since it doesn't make sense how weak Oden has become. I guess the author nerfed Oden on purpose or there'd be no story for Luffy and his crew.
Oden did become stronger, stronger than he already was (The narrator mentioned so, how Oden came back many times stronger) but no matter how strong, nobody can destroy the barrier, thats the whole purpose of the fruit. Oden went along with the deal cause Orochi and Kaido had hundreds of
hostages
and were threatening the citizens on top of that. Oden didn't want a single one of them to be hurt/to die, so he chose the way where nobody innocent gets hurt. Foolish or not, Oden's choice showed how much he changed as even Kaido said that
the whole situation would be different if Oden was the same old psycho/delinquent since that Oden wouldn't have cared about the consequences/casualties. Hundreds of innocent people would have died if Oden chose the violent way, that's why he chose to sacrifice his pride for the sake of the people of Wano.
He really isn't. The whole purpose of Oden's character arc is that he was a selfish delinquent in the beginning who caused trouble everywhere, and then developed into a selfless hero who's willing to do anything so that not even a single innocent person in his country gets hurt. He's a great character with flaws. He wouldn't be anywhere near as good without his flaws. His naivety and wish for freedom, those are his flaws. The flashback made it clear since the beginning that Oden wants to be free, he tried to escape Wano almost 40 times by the time he was 18. Freedom has been his goal since childhood. He's naive because he trusted Orochi and Kaido with their deal, and he trusted them because he sailed with the two most honorable pirates, Roger and Whitebeard, so it's no wonder that Oden became naive and idealistic and thought that Orochi and Kaido would honor the deal. Oden's only experience with powerful pirates before meeting Kaido, was with the kind and honorable ones.
Kaido said that Oden is just like Whitebeard and Roger. Powerful but soft, implying that Whitebeard and Roger would do the same thing as Oden if left with no choices.
If it was the old, ruthless Oden, then yes, he would have not chosen the peaceful way and instead fought Kaido in a death battle at the same day when he attacked Orochi, but he matured, that's what makes him NOT a badly character because that exactly shows that he changed and didn't stay the same throughout his life.
Look at him at the start
and in the end.
He changed a lot. Don't get me wrong, Oden was always compassionate since he saved a town from the Mountain God and took the blame for it even though it was Kinemon's fault, took in many orphans and loners, and saved Toki from a bunch of pirates, but Oden still changed during his journey with the Whitebeard and Roger Pirates since that made him more mature, more aware what a war in Wano would cause, etc.
Seriously, Oden is anything but badly written, he was there for 10+ episodes and showed more development in those episodes than Zoro did in 1000+ episodes lmaoo. If Oden had no flaws, he'd be a Gary Stu, so I'm glad that Oda gave him flaws.
MxS7HGS said: He was selfish enough to leave his country behind to be ruined and when he came back he did nothing to fight for it. He had no reason to be defeated.
Nobody had a clue about what Orochi was plotting. Oden left Wano when nothing was happening yet, so how was he supposed to know that Orochi was actually plotting something when his only experiences with Orochi were Orochi being a pathetic weirdo who kept on asking Oden for money?
If anything, it's Yasuie's fault for not knowing that Orochi was plotting something, Orochi was his servant and yet Yasuie had no clues what Orochi was secretly doing for all those years. Oden tried to fight for his country and the only reason he was defeated was because
he was facing multiple opponents at the same time (Orochi who has taken hundreds of hostages and was threatening the lives of the citizens with his men+Kaido and his crew. Not to mention that old man with the barrier fruit who kept on guarding Orochi).
There was nothing Oden could do except either choosing the peaceful way where nobody but himself gets hurt, or the violent way where hundreds of innocent people get hurt because Oden didn't care for their well beings (which was fortunately not the case cause if Oden chose to violent way, it would show that he never changed after all).
Man what type of dirt does orchi have on oden to get him to do that.
Wild that the clone clone fruit and barrier fruit two devil fruits that belong to two huge Luffy allies in Bon Clay and Bartlemo are used against oden. At least we know those two are dead in current timeline