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| why do people link anime youtubers in threads? are we supposed to watch the video? anyway, its because theres people to dumb to know the difference between an idealized/flawless/perfect FICTIONAL character and a real person and all making a video like that does is make you look like a closet lolicon     https://imgur.com/J17qXoX |
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Droids said: Honestly why is UN still even a thing. The amount of bullshit they're trying to pass as a law is stupid. The only thing good coming out of the UN today is their refugee program and since it's a US only program in the first place, it could be implemented elsewhere while we can all live without an overbloated organization filled with abuses, corruption, and fake moral guardians. |
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| It's mostly a mix of people not understanding, moral grandstanding/virtue signaling and issue extremists. (with a little outright anti-anime/japanese hate mixed in as well) While it's always been a problem, things of late have gotten pretty dangerous. Like the social media stuff you talked about and fandom sites coming under persistent attack over the issue. Even ISPs getting into it in an ultra dangerous turn of events! Now we even have attacks on hentai sites over this as well. E-Hentai is basically going down over this issue.. Despite being one of the largest sources of and places for raw/fan-trans japanese media in the world! (Not just hentai and adult but works of all kinds) As for nitwits like from that video and others who hyperbole over this nontroversy.. as much as i would like to say just ignore them.. as we've been seeing over the last few years in all media, it's way too dangerous to just sit around and not push back now. Logic and reason are the enemy of those who are unable or willing to tell the difference between reality and fiction.. A major issue that is causing problems in all media right now i might add.. people demanding fiction conform to very select parts of reality or not being able to tell the difference between the two... and the general fallacy that fiction/entertainment will somehow affect people and reality or cause things to happen in real life.. smh This is what happens when you try and open up something to the masses.. destruction, lowest common denominator style. |
TTagain said: Pictures of nude pre-pubescent girls= Unacceptable Drawn pictures of pre-pubescent girls= acceptable? So if someone put a cartoon filter on real life underage naked girl will that be acceptable to look at? TBH i'm totally fine with unrealistic loli characters like shiro, kanna or shinobu but I've seen some f'ed up stuff (thnx to 4chan) that is straight up illustrations of CP but ofc word loli can be used to cover it up... idk pretty 50/50 on it CMIIW, The base for law regarding cp is the exploitation of real children who is in a very vulnearable position to be taken advantage of and whose by legal definition of law cannot give a consent, it is a crime against a real person. So the point is less on the paraphilia nature of the crime, but on the existence of the victim, but then again I don't know how law works anywhere else in the world but that point is true to where I lived, though pornography is also illegal here, so even 2D lolis could still land you in jail, lol. That being said if the drawn picture is taken from a real person then it could be treated in the same case of real picture by law, so yeah, don't take my word as legal advice. It is a good thing anime characters looks nothing like actual human. |
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ugmon said: child porn is related to lolis thats why Um WHAT?! That kind of reaching statement is going to take some major backing up to even be able to just start to take seriously! What does anime loli, even in hentai form, have to do with actual CP?? CreativeNam3 said: Obviously lolis themselves aren't the problem, it's the sick neckbeards that jack off to little girl loli hentai that are the problem. These people are the ones people are wary of. We all know that there is at least a few disgusting people out there who got into child porn with loli hentai being the gateway because they have no grip on reality. These people are a vast, VAST minority. However, when it comes to this kind of thing, people have the mindset of "If it can prevent just one ____". That's why people dont like it. 99.9% of people who like loli stuff are not pedophiles. The people against it are scared of the 0.1%. I think you are misunderstanding the issue.. Here's a hint.. the problem is with the people not able to tell the difference between reality and fiction and who don't understand the basic concept of "fantasy"... Not the people liking a fictional collection of colored dots on a screen. The "gateway" argument is literally slippery slope logical fallacy by any other name! Plus there are arguments by specialists that say that fictional media like that probably helps prevent people with real world attractions from acting out if anything. But what is 100% clear and undisputed is that fiction or even actual porn, has nothing at all to do with someone becoming a pedo. Also, just to be clear here.. since this always gets ignored in these debates.. Pedo = attraction to prepubescent minors.. Not teens, post pubescent or even mid pubescent ones. |
James_xeno said: ugmon said: child porn is related to lolis thats why Um WHAT?! That kind of reaching statement is going to take some major backing up to even be able to just start to take seriously! What does anime loli, even in hentai form, have to do with actual CP?? again tell that to the politicians like the United Nations |
azzuRe said: CMIIW, The base for law regarding cp is the exploitation of real children who is in a very vulnearable position to be taken advantage of and whose by legal definition of law cannot give a consent, it is a crime against a real person. So the point is less on the paraphilia nature of the crime, but on the existence of the victim, but then again I don't know how law works anywhere else in the world but that point is true to where I lived, though pornography is also illegal here, so even 2D lolis could still land you in jail, lol. That being said if the drawn picture is taken from a real person then it could be treated in the same case of real picture by law, so yeah, don't take my word as legal advice. It is a good thing anime characters looks nothing like actual human. I know some nations have went off the deep end with their laws. The US though at least is pretty clear on loli hentai (that is loli+hentai, not " loli, hentai") being perfectly legal in concept. The SC ruled definitively that "CP" is only illegal (and exempt from 1st protections) because it harms actual minors to make it.. No real people, let alone minors, means not CP by very definition! Now our arguably unconstitutional obscenity lays/rules are a different story.. But those apply to all porn or even nudity (and pretty much anything really.. which is what's so dangerous about the concept) just the same.. So loli hentai is just as legal in the US as porn or nude mags/media etc.. No more so, no less so. How it's applied is a different story likely though. |
azzuRe said: TTagain said: Pictures of nude pre-pubescent girls= Unacceptable Drawn pictures of pre-pubescent girls= acceptable? So if someone put a cartoon filter on real life underage naked girl will that be acceptable to look at? TBH i'm totally fine with unrealistic loli characters like shiro, kanna or shinobu but I've seen some f'ed up stuff (thnx to 4chan) that is straight up illustrations of CP but ofc word loli can be used to cover it up... idk pretty 50/50 on it CMIIW, The base for law regarding cp is the exploitation of real children who is in a very vulnearable position to be taken advantage of and whose by legal definition of law cannot give a consent, it is a crime against a real person. So the point is less on the paraphilia nature of the crime, but on the existence of the victim, but then again I don't know how law works anywhere else in the world but that point is true to where I lived, though pornography is also illegal here, so even 2D lolis could still land you in jail, lol. The basis for the law is sexual morality. The lawmaker that is oh-so concerned with "protecting" children (read: female children) from matters related to sexual intercourse is seldom so concerned with things like infant foreskin amputation, children being forced to go attend religious brainwashing sessions, parents having the right to withhold essential nutrients for the children based on fringe, pseudoscientific beliefs andsoforth. The lawmaker is rarely interested in "protecting" children but when it concerns matters of sex he suddenly can't hurry enough to sign into laws various laws regarding "protection" because sexual morality is quite a powerful force indeed. |
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Chiibi said: Rin is way better in the comic; the t.v. version really downplays the complexity of Rin's character being quite sociopathic, intelligent, and manipulative. The comic is also not afraid to point out that Rin's a rapist.*wrings hands* WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE FICTIONAL CHILDREN WHO ARE DRAWINGS, DON'T HAVE FEELINGS AND DON'T EVEN LOOK LIKE REAL HUMAN CHILDREN? ffffffffffffffffffffffffff. @EcchiGodMamster ...man, I'd forgotten how naughty Rin is in the anime....xD but those scenes made me laugh my ass off..... |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
James_xeno said: Then why is photorealistic c.g.i. rendered child porn illegal in the U.S.?The SC ruled definitively that "CP" is only illegal (and exempt from 1st protections) because it harms actual minors to make it.. Lel @ constitutional courts and their "arguments"; they're always completely inconsistent; here's how the real world of justices that "interpret the constitution" works: "justice find loli porn not offensive enough to ban because it lookie no realistic enough; justice searchie for reason to not ban — fin." That's how constitutional courts will always work; the idea that they make decisions based on constitutions is about as laughable as Dokuro-tyan slamming off the head of Sakura leaving a fountain of blood. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: Chiibi said: Rin is way better in the comic; the t.v. version really downplays the complexity of Rin's character being quite sociopathic, intelligent, and manipulative. The comic is also not afraid to point out that Rin's a rapist.*wrings hands* WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE FICTIONAL CHILDREN WHO ARE DRAWINGS, DON'T HAVE FEELINGS AND DON'T EVEN LOOK LIKE REAL HUMAN CHILDREN? ffffffffffffffffffffffffff. @EcchiGodMamster ...man, I'd forgotten how naughty Rin is in the anime....xD but those scenes made me laugh my ass off..... the "comic" LMAO we call it "manga", you fucking scrub >:O |
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EcchiGodMamster said: You, mayhap — I find using the Japanese word for "comic book" to refer to comic books coming from Japan to be the cringiest shit ever.Sphinxter said: Rin is way better in the comic; the t.v. version really downplays the complexity of Rin's character being quite sociopathic, intelligent, and manipulative. The comic is also not afraid to point out that Rin's a rapist. the "comic" LMAO we call it "manga", you fucking scrub >:O What's next? Using the word "pain" for any bed made in France? "Wagen" for any Geman-made car? Inserting Japanese lexicon into English when a perfectly good English word already exists is such cringy weeb shit. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: You, mayhap — I find using the Japanese word for "comic book" to refer to comic books coming from Japan to be the cringiest shit ever. What's next? Using the word "pain" for any bed made in France? "Wagen" for any Geman-made car? Inserting Japanese lexicon into English when a perfectly good English word already exists is such cringy weeb shit. well damn, im sorry if you're THAT self conscious... idk who the hell would judge your for using the term manga other than yourself, considering i don't think i've EVER heard ANYONE call manga "comics" LOL "cringey weeb shit" LMAO.. your fear of using the term is 100x cringier don't create a boogeyman that OBVIOUSLY isn't there lol anyway, its not like it matters if one guy feels this way |
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EcchiGodMamster said: You're the one that started a response over nothing more than a term, not I.Sphinxter said: You, mayhap — I find using the Japanese word for "comic book" to refer to comic books coming from Japan to be the cringiest shit ever. What's next? Using the word "pain" for any bed made in France? "Wagen" for any Geman-made car? Inserting Japanese lexicon into English when a perfectly good English word already exists is such cringy weeb shit. well damn, im sorry if you're THAT self conscious... idk who the hell would judge your for using the term manga other than yourself, considering i don't think i've EVER heard ANYONE call manga "comics" LOL "cringey weeb shit" LMAO.. your fear of using the term is 100x cringier don't create a boogeyman that OBVIOUSLY isn't there lol anyway, its not like it matters if one guy feels this way And where do you even get the quaint idea that I fear others judging me; I clearly said that I find it cringy weeb shit — apparently it's a shocking realization to you that men that chart their own path in life rather than valuing everything relative to what other men think actually exist. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: EcchiGodMamster said: You're the one that started a response over nothing more than a term, not I.well damn, im sorry if you're THAT self conscious... idk who the hell would judge your for using the term manga other than yourself, considering i don't think i've EVER heard ANYONE call manga "comics" LOL "cringey weeb shit" LMAO.. your fear of using the term is 100x cringier don't create a boogeyman that OBVIOUSLY isn't there lol anyway, its not like it matters if one guy feels this way And where do you even get the quaint idea that I fear others judging me; I clearly said that I find it cringy weeb shit — apparently it's a shocking realization to you that men that chart their own path in life rather than valuing everything relative to what other men think actually exist. how can you see a term that literally EVERYONE but like... you.. uses as cringey weeb shit unless theres some fear of being judged for using it? who is calling you a cringey weeb for using the term? if its not anyone else, why are you determining this? you're basically just making up an issue are you not a "cringey weeb" for watching loli anime? why are you in this thread lol? does your signature not make you a cringey weeb? what the hell LMAO? where is the consistency here? are you a troll? if using a term that even people who don't watch anime use now makes you a cringey weeb yet watching loli anime doesn't, then damn, i must've been gone from AD for too long and shit has changed |
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EcchiGodMamster said: I restate my initial position and re-emphasize it that you seem to have severe difficulties accepting the idea that some men actually chart their own course in life.Sphinxter said: You're the one that started a response over nothing more than a term, not I. And where do you even get the quaint idea that I fear others judging me; I clearly said that I find it cringy weeb shit — apparently it's a shocking realization to you that men that chart their own path in life rather than valuing everything relative to what other men think actually exist. how can you see a term that literally EVERYONE but like... you.. uses as cringey weeb shit unless theres some fear of being judged for using it? Are you truly so submissive to the opinions of others that you cannot fathom that a man might find something cringy that is not commonly found to be so? who is calling you a cringey weeb for using the term? if its not anyone else, why are you determining this? No man has ever called me a cringy weeb for it; I have always found inserting loans for no good reason and jargon for its own sake just to show how much one is part of "the in-group" to be utterly cringy and this just one of the many cases of it.you're basically just making up an issue I'm indeed making up an opinion yes — you seem to find the idea that a man might actually have his own original opinions to be a rather difficult thing to accept it seems. Indeed I am making it up — it is my opinion indeed.are you not a "cringey weeb" for watching loli anime? why are you in this thread lol? Maybe if I were only watching it because it's Japanese but I care not what country of origin a good loli might have.does your signature not make you a cringey weeb? what the hell LMAO? Obviously not since it parodies American news networks.if using a term that even people who don't watch anime use now makes you a cringey weeb yet watching loli anime doesn't, then damn, i must've been gone from AD for too long and shit has changed It's almost like the former is inserting Japanese lexicon into English for no other reason than to insert Japanese lexicon into English and the latter isn't? You know that "weeb" means an unrealistic fanboyish attitude towards Japan and its culture right?Apart from that even ignoring the fact that there is no need to import a Japanese word wherefore a fine English word already exist; to use a different word for a comic book just because said comic book is from Japan is indeed also weeb shit — again it's putting Japan on some cringy pedestal of idolatry. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
| Well people can't differentiate between fiction and reality tbh. Take my example- Me: faps to loli hentai/doujin Also me: "i fucking hate children. They are disgusting" Like seriously come on. Who actually wants to screw a kid? That is messed up. Except for actual child rapists that is, those people are down right psychos. |
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Sphinxter said: Rin is way better in the comic; the t.v. version really downplays the complexity of Rin's character being quite sociopathic, intelligent, and manipulative. The comic is also not afraid to point out that Rin's a rapist. I know, dude. I had to order all the raw manga volumes for my ex and read the whole thing myself years back. xD I was impressed with how well-written it was. |
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| Lolis themselves aren't hated that much,it's the sexualizing of lolis. Fantasies always have a connection to reality. If you fantasise about rape,you want to dominate people in real life. Fantasising about rape is okay because what you really desire isn't to rape someone but just dominating someone. Even if the fantasy is in fictional form it still holds some connection to reality. So I find sexualizing underage children disgusting,even if it's in anime form. I do believe that it shouldn't be banned though as it doesn't harm anyone,but it is still disgusting. If you watch loli hentai then you have a desire to do sexual acts with children at some level. Sure, you won't do it in real life,but for some people just the attraction is disgusting enough. Personally I do feel that people are a bit too sensitive to pedophillia in the west. Even sexualizing a 16 year old girl will be met with a lot of backlash and people calling it pedophillia. Even though 16 years old is not a kid and having some attraction to a 16 year old doesn't make you a pedophile. |
| @Sphinxter won't use term "manga" cause its "cringey weeb shit" posts in loli thread with signature talking about watching "siscon lolicon" doesn't think its cringey weeb shit .. ok... you take the #1 spot for having the weirdest argument i've ever run into on MAL Must be cringey to say sombrero instead of hat... theres probably 100 examples of words we use from other countries that you wouldn't consider cringey, but because theres no equivalent to being a weeb, you give them a pass, which is exactly why im saying you're basing this on what others think if japan didn't have a "negative" term being thrown around for anyone with the slightest interest in the country, you wouldn't be saying what you are, but you're just making an exception for every other country and basically denying it have a nice day LMAO  |
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EcchiGodMamster said: Because the two have nothing to do with each other.? I already explained I have a problem with three things: A) inserting Japanese lexicon when a perfectly good English alternative already exists for its own sake. B) creating jargon for its own sake to signify one's membership of some subculture. C) believing that something is somehow automatically different or even better simply because it come from Japan.@Sphinxter won't use term "manga" cause its "cringey weeb shit" posts in loli thread with signature talking about watching "siscon lolicon" doesn't think its cringey weeb shit .. ok... you take the #1 spot for having the weirdest argument i've ever run into on MAL Using the term "manga" when "comic book" already exists satisfies all three of those criteria; watching lolicon satisfies exactly none. Must be cringey to say sombrero instead of hat... It would be if it were used to refer to any hat from Spain but it refers to a specific type of hate be it from Spain or not. Furthermore "Sombrero" isn't just Spanish for "hat"; it's Spanish for that specific type of hat. It's indeed just a loan from Spanish for which at that time no good English word existed. theres probably 100 examples of words we use from other countries that you wouldn't consider cringey, but because theres no equivalent to being a weeb, you give them a pass, which is exactly why im saying you're basing this on what others think Not really — I think the practise one sometimes encounters of referring to a castle that happens to be France to be referred to as a "chateau" to be cringy for exactly the same reasons; or referring to the German emperor as a "Kaiser" in English or a Russian one as a "Tsar".I also think the practise of adopting "in-group jargon" wherever one might go is cringy. I criticize other skateboards for insisting on using "grind" instead of "slide" and "gurd" instead of "elevation" just as much. if japan didn't have a "negative" term being thrown around for anyone with the slightest interest in the country, you wouldn't be saying what you are, but you're just making an exception for every other country and basically denying it Yet again you seem to find it very difficult to fathom the concept that maybe somewhere out there a man exists that charts his own course in life rather than being submissive to whims and beliefs of his contemporaries as you clearly are. |
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| @Sphinxter well shit, that's one of the strangest arguments i've ever heard anyone make... EVER... last time i checked manga were a "specific type" of comic book, so i don't see how thats any different than a sombrero being a specific type of hat but im sorry you feel that way, it must suck as you're the ONLY PERSON EVER i've heard argue this, and will likely always be... i have nothing more to say LOL have a nice day  |
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AnimeFeminist said: Rinoael said: The same reason why furries are hated, people relate it to a bad paraphilia (lolis are considered a type of pedophilia even if it's just fiction) Don't mix furries and lolis. People who like lolis don't dress as them and have their own lolisona. Quoted for truth. I've never seen a lolicon wearing a lolsona myself iether. Furries however... OH GOD NO MY EYES! Ah yes, loli's are indeed also very great for moe vibes aswell. UwU Still have to watch Slow Start though. |
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| Probably because the vast majority don't find lolis appealing, so to us seeing them sexualized is even more disgusting. This vid was ok until he complained about Hestia, first of all she shouldn't be called a loli because she doesn't look under 12, and second is that looking at her MAL page her age never even gets brought up. If you have a problem with characters like Hestia being sexualized you're the weird one. I could easily picture her as a 16 yr old, but even then if she was 14 I wouldn't care (he said she looks 14). I've seen plenty of girls who I would fuck and then come to know they're under 16, so to me getting aroused by a 14yr old isn't weird and when talking about anime characters it shouldn't even be discussed. I mean you're not even a pedo/lolicon at that point by definition What EcchiGodMaster posted are what lolis are edit; Oh wait I'm wrong anything under 16 is a loli, still above 12 isn't pedophilic. Many girls between 13-15 look hot and sometimes older than what they actually are, due to their developed bodies, born in make-up and their style of clothing. So many famous actresses and IG models under 16 receive pervy comments from older dudes, cause it's fucking normal to be attracted to them. If I ever happen to have sex with a girl who lied about being 16 or older, doesn't matter had sex |
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Sphinxter said: Sombrero literally just means Hat in Spanish, Wtf are you talking about. Its not exclusive to any type of hat. You add an Adjective to it to show what kind of hat. For example, "Sombrero Vaquero" literally translates into "Cowboy Hat". This all coming from a Native Spanish speaker. EcchiGodMamster said: Because the two have nothing to do with each other.? I already explained I have a problem with three things: A) inserting Japanese lexicon when a perfectly good English alternative already exists for its own sake. B) creating jargon for its own sake to signify one's membership of some subculture. C) believing that something is somehow automatically different or even better simply because it come from Japan.@Sphinxter won't use term "manga" cause its "cringey weeb shit" posts in loli thread with signature talking about watching "siscon lolicon" doesn't think its cringey weeb shit .. ok... you take the #1 spot for having the weirdest argument i've ever run into on MAL Using the term "manga" when "comic book" already exists satisfies all three of those criteria; watching lolicon satisfies exactly none. Must be cringey to say sombrero instead of hat... It would be if it were used to refer to any hat from Spain but it refers to a specific type of hate be it from Spain or not. Furthermore "Sombrero" isn't just Spanish for "hat"; it's Spanish for that specific type of hat. It's indeed just a loan from Spanish for which at that time no good English word existed. theres probably 100 examples of words we use from other countries that you wouldn't consider cringey, but because theres no equivalent to being a weeb, you give them a pass, which is exactly why im saying you're basing this on what others think Not really — I think the practise one sometimes encounters of referring to a castle that happens to be France to be referred to as a "chateau" to be cringy for exactly the same reasons; or referring to the German emperor as a "Kaiser" in English or a Russian one as a "Tsar".I also think the practise of adopting "in-group jargon" wherever one might go is cringy. I criticize other skateboards for insisting on using "grind" instead of "slide" and "gurd" instead of "elevation" just as much. if japan didn't have a "negative" term being thrown around for anyone with the slightest interest in the country, you wouldn't be saying what you are, but you're just making an exception for every other country and basically denying it Yet again you seem to find it very difficult to fathom the concept that maybe somewhere out there a man exists that charts his own course in life rather than being submissive to whims and beliefs of his contemporaries as you clearly are.You are correct that its a borrowed word but Why have people not switched to a english word for it like with other stuff? Because it helps them differenciate what is the Local style and what is the Foreign style. Same with Manga and Comics. Same with Manga and Cartoons. When there is enough of a difference between a foreign product and a local one, You can't just add a nationality adverb and call it a day since it would imply that its almost literally the same but from a different country. Same with the other examples you give. You adopt the foreign word to not have to use a ton of adjectives to describe something from another country. |
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EcchiGodMamster said: And that "type" is nothing more than "being produced in Japan"; it is not stylistic — the only way that "type" is relevant to you is indeed you're a weeb and seriously find it relevant whether the exact same comic book be produced in Japan or not. last time i checked manga were a "specific type" of comic book, so i don't see how thats any different than a sombrero being a specific type of hat as you're the ONLY PERSON EVER i've heard argue this, and will likely always be... i have nothing more to say LOL And I repeat my statement endlessly that you are truly too submissive to the opinions of others. You really focus quite a lot in your arguments of "What think others? How common is this opinion?" — learn to be your own man and have your own opinions.MightTheKidXD said: Of course it is necessary: it's delicious.Simple. Sexualizing Children. It doesnt matter if its fiction or not, that thing is just weird and very uncessary |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Afloo said: Very well then; I stand corrected.Sphinxter said: Sombrero literally just means Hat in Spanish, Wtf are you talking about. Its not exclusive to any type of hat. You add an Adjective to it to show what kind of hat. For example, "Sombrero Vaquero" literally translates into "Cowboy Hat". This all coming from a Native Spanish speaker. Because the two have nothing to do with each other.? I already explained I have a problem with three things: A) inserting Japanese lexicon when a perfectly good English alternative already exists for its own sake. B) creating jargon for its own sake to signify one's membership of some subculture. C) believing that something is somehow automatically different or even better simply because it come from Japan. Using the term "manga" when "comic book" already exists satisfies all three of those criteria; watching lolicon satisfies exactly none. It would be if it were used to refer to any hat from Spain but it refers to a specific type of hate be it from Spain or not. Furthermore "Sombrero" isn't just Spanish for "hat"; it's Spanish for that specific type of hat. It's indeed just a loan from Spanish for which at that time no good English word existed. Not really — I think the practise one sometimes encounters of referring to a castle that happens to be France to be referred to as a "chateau" to be cringy for exactly the same reasons; or referring to the German emperor as a "Kaiser" in English or a Russian one as a "Tsar". I also think the practise of adopting "in-group jargon" wherever one might go is cringy. I criticize other skateboards for insisting on using "grind" instead of "slide" and "gurd" instead of "elevation" just as much. Yet again you seem to find it very difficult to fathom the concept that maybe somewhere out there a man exists that charts his own course in life rather than being submissive to whims and beliefs of his contemporaries as you clearly are. You are correct that its a borrowed word but Why have people not switched to a english word for it like with other stuff? Because it helps them differenciate what is the Local style and what is the Foreign style. Same with Manga and Comics. Same with Manga and Cartoons. But that's the difference: a sombrero is a specific type of hat no matter where it is produced. A sombrero need not be produced in Spain to be called a Sombrero and a hat produced in Spain is not automatically a Sombrero.I comic is "manga" no matter what it looks like on the one singular condition that it be produced in Japan — caring about that distinction is truly asinine and blind Nipponophilia in my opinion. When there is enough of a difference between a foreign product and a local one, You can't just add a nationality adverb and call it a day since it would imply that its almost literally the same but from a different country. Same with the other examples you give. You adopt the foreign word to not have to use a ton of adjectives to describe something from another country. And I have no problem with actual stylistic terms like "moe", "isekai", or "noir" that are also loans because moe is moe no matter where it be produced and it's not automatically moe simply for being Japanese.But a comic book is "manga" really for no other reason than being produced in Japan and that I simply can't take seriously as a distinction to care so much about that some think it deserving of a different name for that alone; care one truly about that then one is a cringy Nipponophile. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Bayek said: Orhunaa said: This is a 10 year old I would marry:Because it's asssociated with CP, when in reality a loli has very little difference from a character that's considered "normal" since anime for the most part doesn't have art that is realistic enough to have any meaningful distinguishment the way real life does. Here's a loli Here's not a loli: Another loli: And another not loli: Does that seem arbitrary? If so great because it fucking should. This is a 10 year old I have zero attraction towards & instead would protect like a daughter: Wow, fuck. I'm trying to think of the difference here. It's almost like reality has no bearing on my anime fetishes. A true man of logic, respect points for you. |
Sphinxter said: EcchiGodMamster said: And that "type" is nothing more than "being produced in Japan"; it is not stylistic — the only way that "type" is relevant to you is indeed you're a weeb and seriously find it relevant whether the exact same comic book be produced in Japan or not. last time i checked manga were a "specific type" of comic book, so i don't see how thats any different than a sombrero being a specific type of hat theyre... not "exactly" the same... there are things that distinguish manga from western comics, don't fucking pretend theres not you're acting as though if you put a japanese manga next to an american comic you wouldn't be able to tell the difference or some shit, which is ridiculous there wouldn't be manga classes and computer programs if there was just NO DIFFERENCE between 2 other than the country theyre from you might as well be arguing that theres no differnce between anime and western cartoons outside the country theyre from, when many of the differences are exactly the same there are even "manga" written by westerners what country was this manga made in?   |
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No, what you're talking about is moe which is a specific style. Not all Japanese comics are moe.   Be the author American then this website doesn't even allow it in its database; the sole condition for allowance in the database is that it be produced in Japan. Moe is an actual style and indeed can be produced anywhere and it isn't the same as "manga" which is just a useless word for any comic produced in Japan. Or would you say that comics like Blame! aren't "manga" because they're legitimately in a unique style that no other author has ever really copied. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Don't mind me, just posting cute moe loli's. You really can't hate them cute balls. |
"I masturbate to anime girls! Do you wanna be my friend?" - Lost Pause aka Noble. 2017 |
| @Sphinxter what the fuck? who said anything about moe? anime has 100 different styles, but they all have distinguishing features from western cartoons which let you know theyre japanese... also the way manga are designed are also different in several ways, which you didn't even address jumping to moe as if thats the ONLY WAY to tell if something is from japan makes no sense, you can still tell if something is japanese from 100 other artstyles anyone who watches anime can look at afro samurai and tell its from japan what the hell is unqiue about Blame!?  its 3d? that makes it unique to you? i swear these arguments ALWAYS come from people who just joined MAL and have -100 completions.... never use the term "Anime" again, since its cringey weeb shit... say "cartoons" i guess in order to not be a cringey weeb you need to refer to this site as "mycartoonlist" be consistent its the same argument |
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EcchiGodMamster said: No they don't all have that; there are so many Japanese cartoons out there like Afro Samurai whereof you had never known that they were Japan were you not told. Spirited Away could have also easily been a Disney fim.@Sphinxter what the fuck? who said anything about moe? anime has 100 different styles, but they all have distinguishing features from western cartoons which let you know theyre japanese... also the way manga are designed are also different in several ways, which you didn't even address jumping to moe as if thats the ONLY WAY to tell if something is from japan makes no sense, you can still tell if something is japanese from 100 other artstyles I never said it was the only way — I said the specific examples you highlighted are examples of the moe style.anyone who watches anime can look at afro samurai and tell its from japan Bullshit power of suggestionwhat the hell is unqiue about Blame!? I'm talking about the comic book frames I had shown, not the film. It's the first frame I've shown.never use the term "Anime" again, say "cartoons", since its cringey weeb shit and would be exactly the same argument I never use that term either. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
| @Sphinxter someones obviously hella new to anime and manga, cause i could look at any of those even as a kid and tell theyre japanese, and i think thats the core issue here with you, you can't what anime watching dumbass would think Spirited away was a disney film LOOOOOOOOLLL??? Speed Racer? why would you link that??? that art is borderline moe LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL so you log into "my cartoon list" holy shit you're a petty motherfucker, creating your own problems then making up bullshit arguments to defend them better stop using the term loli and lolicon too, since i've seen you use those and i think you know the terms we already have for those but you're obviously not one for consistency you get x100 points for creativity, this is definitely a first, which is why i actually took the bait.. its been awhile since i've done this and people like you are a good reason to stay away from AD xD |
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xServantx said: The first loli wherefrom the term originates was already not sweet and innocent which was the point. A "lolita" in popular parlance has always meant a young child that is too sexually præcocious for his age.I mean lolis are supposed to be sweet, innocent, precious little children :o Though to be fair a "lolita" in practice includes pubescent jailbait; a "loli' in practice refers only to those yet lacking in pubescent development. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
xServantx said: Seems to just be præjudiced thought to assume that just because a man looks youthful he must be innocent and sweet — dangerous mentality if you ask me. You too much judge a man on his looks.Yet again, lolis, in your terms, are lacking in pubescent development :o doesn't that make them 'sweet, innocent, and precious little children'? As you pointed out, there is a difference between a loli and a lolita. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
xServantx said: I would venture to say that children are supposed to be sweet, innocent, precious little children. Lolis are sensationalized, exaggerated caricatures that have effectively transformed into something so artificial that there's no possible way to translate it into reality. Even in anime, you can make a clear distinction between lolis vs little girls that are meant to accurately resemble real children.I mean lolis are supposed to be sweet, innocent, precious little children :o I'll keep it simple though. Artificial Loli:  Anime Child: If you're attracted to Shiro, I don't blame you. If you're watching Usagi Drop and thinking "Man, Rin is totally my type", then I think you really should reevaluate what the hell you're doing at that point. |
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