Kezone said: ibrahim2712 said: Really? Have you not seen the countless MC's who are literally trash rip offs of Shinji? I'm not saying Shinji ripoffs don't exist, but none were in the anime I listed. Are we going to argue now that Yui and Kyon are Shinji clones....??? Ohhh, i think you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about the anime you listed, i was talking about anime in general. Sorry I can see how the way I posted was confusing. |
PoeticJustice said: JumpinJC said: It already happened with Shingeki no Kyojin. How? I think they're right in the way that I've never seen any of that stuff done. People dying every episode. Giants (the titans), their gear, their outfits, the artstyle, and whatnot. I think it's still possible. Gurren Laggan and Kill la kill broke the mold and I'm sure more will come. And maybe they'll do stuff that's been done before, but a long time ago, and only break out of the new norm. And that'll be fine. There are plenty of things they haven't done. (A show on time travel, a show on racing hover cars, a show based in the american west (no trigun doesn't count its based on another planet), a show about an android becoming human, etc. Also evangelion's ending sucked. So how can we call it a masterpiece? I will read the manga though. The anime had so many unaswered questions and didn't develop each character the extent that I would of been pleased with. |
dakotasapphireJun 19, 2015 11:41 PM
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| I don't think we need another Evangelion. |
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| Shingeki no Kyojin has an original premise but other than that it's pretty generic. I don't see how it's anime's next "Evangelion". It's pretty predictable once you get the formula down actually. |
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G_Spark233 said: I don't think we need another Evangelion. We don't deserve another Evangelion. |
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ibrahim2712 said: Kezone said: I'm not saying Shinji ripoffs don't exist, but none were in the anime I listed. Are we going to argue now that Yui and Kyon are Shinji clones....??? Ohhh, i think you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about the anime you listed, i was talking about anime in general. Sorry I can see how the way I posted was confusing. Ahh, the problem with the internet~ It really would take a huge upset for another anime to influence character types as heavily as Eva did, I doubt another will ever truly reach it. |
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OkayCaim said: Shingeki no Kyojin has an original premise but other than that it's pretty generic. I don't see how it's anime's next "Evangelion". It's pretty predictable once you get the formula down actually. And what's this formula you're talking about? Care to elaborate? |
Marco86 said: Pretty much this but different.keragamming said: And what's this formula you're talking about? Care to elaborate? >Titans arrive >Titans eat/kill canon fodder >Weak soldiers are scared >Strong soldiers are pissed >Strong soldiers fight titans >Weak titans are killed >Strong titans (shifters) are captured. ^Season 1 of SNK in a nutshell. >Great evil arrives >Fodder gets rekt and made example of >Protagonist is a weakling >Tries to fight >Gets BTFO by great evil >However, protagonist has a magical power-up that allows him to turn the tides by sheer willpower >Great evil is defeated. >Aftermath >Now a greater evil is introduced. Rinse-and-repeat. This is the typical battle-shounen formula and Shingeki no Kyojin is following it from what I'm reading. |
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OkayCaim said: Marco86 said: Pretty much this but different.>Titans arrive >Titans eat/kill canon fodder >Weak soldiers are scared >Strong soldiers are pissed >Strong soldiers fight titans >Weak titans are killed >Strong titans (shifters) are captured. ^Season 1 of SNK in a nutshell. >Great evil arrives >Fodder gets rekt and made example of >Protagonist is a weakling >Tries to fight >Gets BTFO by great evil >However, protagonist has a magical power-up that allows him to turn the tides by sheer willpower >Great evil is defeated. >Aftermath >Now a greater evil is introduced. Rinse-and-repeat. This is the typical battle-shounen formula and Shingeki no Kyojin is following it from what I'm reading. not really |
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offmodel said: Hentai anime was actually born in the 80's because of the OVA boom. The very first one being a loli hentai ,lol.Also, the 80's were nothing but sexualized girls! It never ceases to amaze me how people who have seen little to no pre-90's anime will make such blind statements about it. |
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offmodel said: DrCoppelius said: I haven't seen a lot of old anime so do correct if I'm speaking nonsense, but I do think I've seen at least some anime that looked fairly sexualized and came out quite before Evangelion. Go Nagai's Cutey Honey for instance. I mean, just look at those covers: And you're saying the pre-Evangelion animation couldn't succeed, but what do you even mean by that? The Galaxy Express 999 movie's animation looked fine to me and it was released in 1979. Granted, it's a movie and as such probably had a leg up over shows, but even so. What exactly did Evangelion's animation have that is so special? You are one of the few in this thread that have any idea of what you're talking about. A more fair comparison, if you're talking innovation in animation, is Macross Plus. It's from 1994 and even has the same character designer as NGE. Look at how much more innovative it was (it was an OVA series, so the budget was higher, but it was years ahead of its time): Also, the 80's were nothing but sexualized girls! It never ceases to amaze me how people who have seen little to no pre-90's anime will make such blind statements about it. Macross Plus is great. I prefer the movie version though. |
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OkayCaim said: Marco86 said: Pretty much this but different.>Titans arrive >Titans eat/kill canon fodder >Weak soldiers are scared >Strong soldiers are pissed >Strong soldiers fight titans >Weak titans are killed >Strong titans (shifters) are captured. ^Season 1 of SNK in a nutshell. >Great evil arrives >Fodder gets rekt and made example of >Protagonist is a weakling >Tries to fight >Gets BTFO by great evil >However, protagonist has a magical power-up that allows him to turn the tides by sheer willpower >Great evil is defeated. >Aftermath >Now a greater evil is introduced. Rinse-and-repeat. This is the typical battle-shounen formula and Shingeki no Kyojin is following it from what I'm reading. Manga spoiler. That doesn't justify what you're saying that snk follow the typical shounen formula. I'm sorry what you're saying is just wrong. Also by your logic, any series that have a stronger antagonist than the one before automatically becomes a typical shounen. Also if you're implying that snk plot is your typical shounen plot, please Gtfo! I'm more easy on anime only watchers since they don't see the true plot of the series just yet, but when I hear manga reader talk this bullcrap, I have to wonder if they're reading the series as if they're brain dead. Also are you really just at chapter 48 or are you caught up? |
| I would say haruhi and bakemonogatari started the trend of loads of LN adaptations. |
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black1blade said: I would say haruhi and bakemonogatari started the trend of loads of LN adaptations. LN adaptations were around before that so maybe. |
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FireEmblemIke24 said: black1blade said: I would say haruhi and bakemonogatari started the trend of loads of LN adaptations. LN adaptations were around before that so maybe. Well they where so successful so people would want to replicate that success. K-ON was a LN too right? |
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black1blade said: FireEmblemIke24 said: LN adaptations were around before that so maybe. Well they where so successful so people would want to replicate that success. K-ON was a LN too right? KyoAni revolutionized anime. All Hail KyoAni! |
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black1blade said: I would say haruhi and bakemonogatari started the trend of loads of LN adaptations. Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFIk8i2Jhn0 |
JumpinJC said: It already happened with Shingeki no Kyojin. No it didn't. It's a popular show and it's really good actually despite the hibsters haters hating it but it didn't really create like a new wave or give somtrhing new to anime. Evangelion other that shocking people with the psychological aspect of mecha it used it also created tropes. Characters like Rei and Asuka created characters archetypes than other anime mimic in many ways till today etc. Even Misato. And Shinji it still is a unique character never to be seen again. Shallow people may think that every pussy idiot maion is like Shinji but is not. Shinji was very different. No other show will manage doing what Evangelion did because now we almost have seen everything i guess. Kezone said: K-On and Haruhi are the first two anime reshaping post-Eva series that come to mind. Others, like Madoka and SnK, have spawned a few knock-offs, but are not on the same level of trope popularizing. But Haruhi itself is mimicking Evangelion characters. |
StandoffishMan said: black1blade said: I would say haruhi and bakemonogatari started the trend of loads of LN adaptations. Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFIk8i2Jhn0 Already have :p |
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| @Monad First thing, there are series that came out way before evangellion with similar plot like evangellion. Plus I'm pretty sure the author for evangellion got a bit of ideas from the Gundam franchise like the mech suits, the three teenagers going into these mechs to defend the world. You get what I mean. Also, evangellion wasn't the first to create characters like Rei and Asuka, they've been characters like this long before evangellion was even created. I don't know if its a fact that evangellion popularize those two character archetype. But I'll take you guys word for it. So basically evangellion use these type of archetype that weren't really popular at the time, and when evangellion became popular it also revolutionize these two characters archetype. Archetypes was basically created from real life personality from people, so finding out who created which archetype first would be difficult, samething can be said for story as well, everyone got an inspiration from someone. For eg. Attack on titan the characters in snk use a device call the 3d Maneuver gear, now if I ask you to name a anime that have something similar to this, it may take you a while to think of one. The thing is, I'm sure there's something similar to the 3d Maneuver gear in another anime, but if you start seeing other anime in the next 10 years using device similar to the 3d Maneuver gear, then which series do you think will get the credit for popularizing such a device? Snk ofcourse, even if snk got inspiration from another anime that came up with this concept first, snk will get all the praise since it was the one that popularize the 3d Maneuver gear. Point is, people should stop saying this series is the "first" to do this, because I'm sure if someone put a little effort in researching on the net, they will find a older series that have already done that. What people should look for is series that use a concept or plot that you rarely see in anime or at all, to your best of knowledge. You guys are kidding yourself if you think you're going to find a series that have a new concept/new plot that know one has ever seen before. Even if you watch a series that have a plot/concept that you never seen before, always have it in the back of your head that it's very likely that there are similar series like this. "And Shinji it still is a unique character never to be seen again." I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be happy if they never have to see a character like Shinji ever again, my mind is a bit fuzzy since its been a while since I watch evangellion, but did shinji even man up? Because from what I remember he was a cry baby throughtout the entire series. I think most people can deal with a character that is down and even cry at times, but I'm sure the audience is expecting him to grow from this cry baby to someone else. The majority of people don't like a character that's in depression throughout the entire series. |
keragammingJun 20, 2015 8:21 AM
keragamming said: I really don't give rats on what's going to be the next evangellion, evangellion wasn't even that good anyways. All I want is that every season I can look forward to a season with a decent amount of anime to watch. QFT. The only thing Eva revolutionize was the Tsundere. |
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Fullmetal89 said: keragamming said: I really don't give rats on what's going to be the next evangellion, evangellion wasn't even that good anyways. All I want is that every season I can look forward to a season with a decent amount of anime to watch. QFT. The only thing Eva revolutionize was the Tsundere. Tsundere is of Rumiko Takahashi origin (Urusei Yatsura?) |
StandoffishMan said: Fullmetal89 said: QFT. The only thing Eva revolutionize was the Tsundere. Tsundere is of Rumiko Takahashi origin (Urusei Yatsura?) I see, she started the cancer, that must be the reason for me to don't be able of standing that anime. |
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keragamming said: @Monad First thing, there are series that came out way before evangellion with similar plot like evangellion. Plus I'm pretty sure the author for evangellion got a bit of ideas from the Gundam franchise like the mech suits, the three teenagers going into these mechs to defend the world. You get what I mean. Also, evangellion wasn't the first to create characters like Rei and Asuka, they've been characters like this long before evangellion was even created. I don't know if its a fact that evangellion popularize those two character archetype. But I'll take you guys word for it. So basically evangellion use these type of archetype that weren't really popular at the time, and when evangellion became popular it also revolutionize these two characters archetype. Archetypes was basically created from real life personality from people, so finding out who created which archetype first would be difficult, samething can be said for story as well, everyone got an inspiration from someone. For eg. Attack on titan the characters in snk use a device call the 3d Maneuver gear, now if I ask you to name a anime that have something similar to this, it may take you a while to think of one. The thing is, I'm sure there's something similar to the 3d Maneuver gear in another anime, but if you start seeing other anime in the next 10 years using device similar to the 3d Maneuver gear, then which series do you think will get the credit for popularizing such a device? Snk ofcourse, even if snk got inspiration from another anime that came up with this concept first, snk will get all the praise since it was the one that popularize the 3d Maneuver gear. Point is, people should stop saying this series is the "first" to do this, because I'm sure if someone put a little effort in researching on the net, they will find a older series that have already done that. What people should look for is series that use a concept or plot that you rarely see in anime or at all, to your best of knowledge. You guys are kidding yourself if you think you're going to find a series that have a new concept/new plot that know one has ever seen before. Even if you watch a series that have a plot/concept that you never seen before, always have it in the back of your head that it's very likely that there are similar series like this. "And Shinji it still is a unique character never to be seen again." I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be happy if they never have to see a character like Shinji ever again, my mind is a bit fuzzy since its been a while since I watch evangellion, but did shinji even man up? Because from what I remember he was a cry baby throughtout the entire series. I think most people can deal with a character that is down and even cry at times, but I'm sure the audience is expecting him to grow from this cry baby to someone else. The majority of people don't like a character that's in depression throughout the entire series. Who cares about a device? It's like praising Pokemon for being the first to have lightning attacks. Unless there is meaning behind this symbol beyond just-for-cool, it doesn't matter that it's new. Evangelion is praised for introducing depth to the mecha genre, for taking archetypes and exploring them. I've seen plenty of characters like Shinji and Rei, but Rei and Shinji are given much more depth. The series tries to explore why someone would be so neurotic like Shinji, or so distant like Rei. It's not there just for a sexual fetish. I disagree with Monad that we already have everything. That's a silly thing to say. Every generation thinks it's the most important one, that it will be the one to see the apocalypse. Many things will change in 30 years, and expect new tropes and cliches to accompany these changes. Original artworks arrive when society changes enough. |
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offmodel said: StandoffishMan said: Tsundere is of Rumiko Takahashi origin (Urusei Yatsura?) Yeah, if you are okay judging sexy aliens by human standards at least. keragamming said: @Monad First thing, there are series that came out way before evangellion with similar plot like evangellion. Plus I'm pretty sure the author for evangellion got a bit of ideas from the Gundam franchise like the mech suits, the three teenagers going into these mechs to defend the world. You get what I mean. I believe you are thinking of this: Space Runaway Ideon - http://myanimelist.net/anime/930/Densetsu_Kyojin_Ideon Be Invoked - http://myanimelist.net/anime/2761/Densetsu_Kyojin_Ideon:_Hatsudou-hen Thank you, offmodel for the link. My evidence to back up my claim was a bit lacking in that department. Lol |
| @TheBrainintheJar. You clearly miss my point. The device thing was just an example. -_- I was just using this example to show monad the similarities. You're also talking about something completely different from what I was talking about. You're saying these two character archetype from evangellion have more depth than the others you've seen in past anime. While I was talking to monad that evangellion wasn't the first to create these two archetype which you also agree with me. So basically you came in and write a quick reply without reading what I said properly. -_- |
keragamming said: I'm pretty sure a lot of people are tired of whiny shounen protagonists like ErenI'm pretty sure a lot of people would be happy if they never have to see a character like Shinji ever again, my mind is a bit fuzzy since its been a while since I watch evangellion, but did shinji even man up? Because from what I remember he was a cry baby throughtout the entire series. I think most people can deal with a character that is down and even cry at times, but I'm sure the audience is expecting him to grow from this cry baby to someone else. The majority of people don't like a character that's in depression throughout the entire series. |
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| Iuno, but there may be As far as I know, K-on! started the moe craze, which still lingers even now Madoka Magica "paved the way" for darker magical girl shows SAO "started" the game anime shows So yeah there may be one I don't know Although if "breaking" cliches and whatnot, Madoka Magica is probs the one. It's not the first mg show to do this, but it's the one that got the most attention. |
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FanEu said: Oh bitch pleaseComic_Sans said: I'm not a big fan of Shounen protags but I will take them over a whiny brat like Shinji any dayI'm pretty sure a lot of people are tired of whiny shounen protagonists like Eren Character development and 3D personality > beta shounen protagonists with no personality at all |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
FanEu said: implying having balls = better characterComic_Sans said: Oh bitch please Character development and 3D personality > beta shounen protagonists with no personality at all A whiny bitch who remains a crybaby until the last few minutes of the show compared to an idealistic and naive Shounen protag who at least has balls? I will take the latter thank you |
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FanEu said: So having balls = being a good character? okComic_Sans said: Oh bitch please Character development and 3D personality > beta shounen protagonists with no personality at all A whiny bitch who remains a crybaby until the last few minutes of the show compared to an idealistic and naive Shounen protag who at least has balls? I will take the latter thank you Also, why are you complaining about Shinji being whiny when you have Kaneki in your favs? |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I love how people think "a character they don't like = bad character". |
FanEu said: nobody says Yukiteru from Mirai Nikki is a complex characterAzureDaora said: implying having balls = better character Just like NGE fanboys imply Shinji being whiny = complex character |
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FanEu said: So you think people say he's realistic because he's ''whiny''?Just like NGE fanboys imply Shinji being whiny = complex character Wow, that totally explains why everybody says that Yukki Yukki Yukki Amano is a complex character |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
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