Soo-Won and Yona will end up together

Tabinda_Murshed said:
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slightly-angelic said:
Hahalollawl:
As I’ve said above, Soo-won probably doesn't feel that way about her...and I don’t see how this makes sense unless we get plenty of upcoming Yona/Soo-won time to develop their relationship. Personally though, I seriously hope not. Whether she falls for Hak or not, I just don’t want her anywhere near Soo-won. That guy was okay with sacrificing her life for the sake of the country(which he has absolutely no right to do). I mean, what’s to stop him from taking her life again if he feels it’s going to benefit himself/Kouka? No thanks. I would far rather she marry some random fisherman in Awa. Anyone but Soo-won.

Kalisto said:
@ Tabinda

Very well-written and I couldn't agree more. :) I think everyone should read this so they can understand just how deep Yona x Hak's connection is.

Tabinda_Murshed said:


Thank you! Ya i don't think theres any equal as of yet, depth and development wise, to this relationship in the manga. if anyone denies that then they haven't read the manga, which i HIGHLY recommend. its superb.

aa-dono said:


I'm not a Soo-won and Yona shipper, but I do think Soo-won does like her in that way. Maybe he realized it late, but I do think he sees her as a woman.
It's a matter of priorities.

Yona, who grew up spoilt, only thought of herself, and as any female teenager, she would of course prioritize love. Plus, initially, she had no care for what;s going on outside her world. So she spent all her days thinking of ways to make Soo-won notice her.

I agree that Soo-won initially doesn't realize how much he likes her. It's not surprising. He had other goals. He wanted to fix the country and he didn't trust King Il (Hak on the other hand, trust in King Il's judgement therefore focus on guarding Yona and the castle. In any case, he was loyal and he was a soldier, following orders from his king). Soo-won had a lot on his shoulders. He simply doesn't have the leisure to entertain his own emotional self. The way he was drawn in Port Awa made me convnced that he does have feelings for Yona.
In any case, Soo-won knew the result of his action. I doubt he'll entertain that affection. If he has to marry, I'm sure he's just gonna go along with the best political marriage.

I doubt Yona still loves him. She can't forget him alright, but I think her feeling is more mixed of a longtime affection and regret. That he chooses to betray them.

In any case, it's highly impossible for Soo-won and Yona to end up together, if you count emotionally.
They might, if there's a political advantage. I wouldn't count on it though.

@Tabinda_Murshed that was really wonderful

aa-dono said:


I love your take on the series.

But when you said there's no equal... my rebellious nature can't help but brainstorm other series that are equal or better.
Your specifics were: depth and development. I'd say Fruits Basket (the manga) can rival that :D

That's that. I do love the fact that as simple Hak is, his emotion runs deep.

Tabinda_Murshed said:

hahaha! kudos to your rebellious nature, i love fruit basket- its seriously funny. but as for depth and development, i just meant in this specific series no other relationship has been developed as much as hak and yona's and none runner deeper than theres either.

Hahalollawl said:


Maybe. But if you had some kind of temporary infatuation with someone, would you still feel that way after they betrayed you, killed your father, and nearly killed you? That would seem to be an extremely powerful and enduring infatuation, and really, what's the difference between a powerful enduring infatuation and love?

At least she feels something towards Soo-Won. Much of the time she either seems to not take Hak seriously, is oblivious, or just doesn't care. Given what he's done/sacrificed, I think he deserves better. Someone who sees him as more than a friend, and who would love him as much as he loves her. Do you think Yona loves Hak nearly as much as he loves her?

Hak is such a great character. Admirable in so many ways. I think it would make for a very disappointing ending if he ended up with a girl who often doesn't even take him seriously and is infatuated with another man. If he's selfish enough to try to force Yona to be with him when she doesn't love him, then maybe he's not as good a character as I thought.

slightly-angelic said:


Yes, I would say that there's self-infliction going on. However, I can't bring myself to criticize Hak too much for a couple reasons. Firstly, it's clear how important Yona's happiness is to him. It's not like I would want him to stop caring about her. It's quite beautiful he cares that deeply and is willing to make sacrifices BUT it shouldn't come down to him constantly having to do that for her sake. It's Yona's obliviousness to that fact and her seemingly acceptance of what he's doing which makes me shake my head. Isn't his happiness also important? Secondly, I almost feel like Hak's hands are tied and he doesn't have much choice in putting the misery onto himself. Obviously, he can't help that he loves her and wants her to be happy. And he also can't help that he's hurt by his feelings not being reciprocated. Hak tried to protect himself the best way he knew how but even Yona took that option away from him. He attempted to distance himself by not coming to the castle to play and he refused to become her bodyguard so that he didn't have to be around her BUT then she needed him. Hak wasn't cruel enough to turn his back on her so, really, what choice does he have but to be miserable? It's no wonder Yona, stresses, frustrates, and annoys him to no end. And, it was nearly the same thing when she demanded he come along with her and give himself to her. This wouldn't be a problem if, instead of running to Hak when she needed help, Yona would just run to the guy she's actually interested in.

Regarding Hak's romantic feelings, he has valid reasons for not wanting Yona to know about them. Typically, you have someone who can't reveal those feelings for the simple reasons that they're too shy or fear rejection. However, what makes Hak's case understandable is the fact that Yona loves Soo-won and not him, and he knows this. Yona has been in love with Soo-won forever, enough that she had it all planned she would marry him. If she was that serious about him and has hardly ever even noticed Hak as a man all the years that the three of them were growing up together then, really, what would be the point of Hak telling her his feelings? Since he already knows that she's not interested in him in that sense, he would only be forcing himself into the picture and burdening her with unnecessary thoughts and headaches. Even after Yona was betrayed by Soo-won and nearly killed, Hak hasn't been able to bring himself to say anything because Yona was still obsessing over Soo-won's hairpin and hasn't been able to move on from him. Heck, she and Ik-Soo even talked about how some feelings can't be thrown away, and Hak overheard that conversation. Why would Hak tell her his feelings? Again, what would be the point? Since her happiness is his highest priority, and telling her would only burden her further, he would never do such a thing. It shows how much he respects her feelings. I feel it would be difficult to criticize his thinking behind all of this when there's nothing cruel or wrong with how he's treating her.

Of course, even though Hak lets his feelings slip several times, Yona never became suspicious. Because he can't tell her, he can only hint so much before he starts to believe his feelings are pointless. Heck, even when Jae-ha tells her straight-out that Hak has always been hers, she denies it without even giving it a second thought. Bottom line, two things need to happen. First of all, Yona has to actually develop feelings for Hak. And even though that part seems to be happening, it goes beyond that. It's up to Yona to demonstrate that she's moved on from Soo-won. Hak is trying to protect her happiness so, IMO, Yona has to make it clear that Soo-won is no longer that happiness. Hak has to know that before he can even begin to think about telling her his feelings.



It was never made absolutely clear but my understanding seems to be that Yona and Soo-won knew one another longer(they're cousins, after all) and Yona was already enamored with him by the time Hak entered the picture/realized he liked her. Hak is very aware of Yona and it's shown that he can read her pretty naturally. Since he has always been protective of Yona's wellbeing/happiness, with her constantly blushing around Soo-won, I would think her feelings were easy for Hak to pick up on. Basically, he's always known how she feels regarding Soo-won so I can definitely see that holding him back from saying anything. The key here, again, is that he's extremely protective of her happiness.

Honestly though, my issue with the Hak/Yona relationship stems beyond the romance aspect. I'm not even all that bothered that Hak's romantic feelings aren't reciprocated. I'm simply not convinced that Yona cares much about him. I mean, close friends who have known one another for years have a general understanding of one another and are typically pretty aware and conscious of each other. With how overly oblivious Yona is of Hak in general, I have to wonder how much she cares, even 115 chapters later. People point out that Yona comes to see that Hak is important and that she "cries" for him or whatever...but, to me, there's no true depth behind her words or tears. In fact, her lack of any real desire to understand him as well as her decisions and lack of action/effort to support his mental/emotional wellbeing(concerning Soo-won and the many other internal conflicts he has), to me, says otherwise. I mean, take a look at Hak. I don't think anyone can deny that Yona is important to him. Why? He has a good understanding of her because he has paid careful attention to her while growing up. He not only protects her physically but emotionally and mentally at the expense of his own wellbeing. It's not just what he says. It's his actions, how much he sacrifices for her, how he respects her, how he will think of her first even if there's conflict with his own feelings, how he always prioritizes her needs and wants above his. Yona's happiness is clearly everything to him. It's been demonstrated over and over again. I mean, really, if Yona claimed Kouka was important but only says it and occasionally cries about it without doing anything, how convincing would it be to anyone that she truly cares? I completely understand that Yona has other things on her plate and is concerned about her country but, come on...not even ONE sacrifice for someone who is supposedly important to her? No desire to understand him further than what comes out of his mouth? She can't even be a little angry at Soo-won on Hak's behalf the way he's so angry towards Soo-won for hurting her? Technically, she even values an object(Soo-won's hairpin) more than Hak's happiness. Knowing how upset Hak is about Soo-won's betrayal and how it's a constant reminder to him, she would still rather keep that stupid useless object around than get rid of it to protect him. Seriously? An object over the feelings of an important friend? Apparently, Yona's own feelings are more important to her. Most of the time, when she wants Hak to do something for her, she will ask/command/demand it of him without much acknowledgement or regard to his feelings. Would a little desire to understand him or to include his opinions too be asking for too much? Where's the respect for him as a friend? Sorry, I'm really not sold on his importance to her. He's definitely her servant. Anything beyond that is rather questionable at this point.

I cannot deny that Hak and Yona have chemistry and are totally sexy together...but beyond that...I don't sense any deep caring from Yona. And she has every right to care about or love whoever she wants to. So, as a Hak fan before anything else, I kind of think he should just move on. Like I said, he deserves so much better. Just my opinion.

Olwen said:
It's been foreshadowed countless times. Soo-Won wouldn't have saved Yona's life if he didn't love her.

Crystal_Jackson said:
I flipping hope not. I like Hak and Yona, they kinda reminda me of a mix between Inu and Kagome and another bickering couple that I can't remember right now. Also, I'm not even going to argue the points everyone has already done brcause they're both valid. But the one point that no one seems to care about is they're BOTH COUSINS. Yeah yeah, I get the whole "love who you love " thing and I get its not real. I don't care what universe anyone is talking about, real, fake, incest is just wrong in either. No offense to those who watch anime that has sibling or cousin cest in it, but facts are facts. It's just not right in every and any reality.

quercifolia said:
he would let her because he is selfless to a fault.

aa-dono said:
+1

:'( My poor poor Hak.

But yeah, I didn't try to view the whole master-servant thing since Yona is used to boss Hak around it would be unhealthy. I can see the author changing that more in the future though.

But eh-
She might not be bossy and start caring for others' well-being. But would it be considered healthy if she cared for Hak's well-being because it's her responsibility (as a ruler)?

Crystal_Jackson said:
I flipping hope not. I like Hak and Yona, they kinda reminda me of a mix between Inu and Kagome and another bickering couple that I can't remember right now. Also, I'm not even going to argue the points everyone has already done brcause they're both valid. But the one point that no one seems to care about is they're BOTH COUSINS. Yeah yeah, I get the whole "love who you love " thing and I get its not real. I don't care what universe anyone is talking about, real, fake, incest is just wrong in either. No offense to those who watch anime that has sibling or cousin cest in it, but facts are facts. It's just not right in every and any reality.

Siaster said:


I like how you think you have a right to say incest is completely wrong in everyway to matter what reality. Like what do you base that on? LOL Deformities from incestuous breeding has been proven to be almost non existent. I mean maybe it's not what you personally are into or its against YOUR morals. But I'm sorry to inform you but this is the real world and your morals really don't matter lol So I don't know how you can say it being wrong is a fact when it is not lol

Crystal_Jackson said:


Actually, I do have a right to say incest is completely wrong in every way in every universe, as much as you have to disagree with me. I believe it's called the First Amendment of the Constitution. And I'm not the only human being to have this sort of opinion, as you seem to act like I am. It's a pretty common human moral to not have sex with a first degree relative, and is also seen among different creatures as well, not just the human species. Also, there are some serious drawbacks on offsprings: increased risk of infertility, birth defects like cleft palates, facial asymmetry, and a handful of more issues. Also there is a heightened risk of early death, birth defect, or mental disability to the child. But my main reason is because I am an eldest sibling myself, and it's lawfully wrong, and personally disgusts me (other people can like it, I just don't), so for me it is morally wrong. Granted, I said facts are facts, but aside from the ones I stated above (I researched quite a bit, and there was nothing I could find supporting an incestuous relationship beyond "It feels good", so if you could legitimately show me a list of studies that prove there are NO issues at all having inbred offspring, I'd actually be interested in seeing them), it's more like they're facts to me. Something that makes sense to me is something I consider a fact. Something that's been backed up by evidence and scientific proof. I'm also aware that the moral wrongness behind incest is a learned perspective rather than something we're born with, but I still stand by that personal moral regardless.

Crystal_Jackson said:


Actually, I do have a right to say incest is completely wrong in every way in every universe, as much as you have to disagree with me. I believe it's called the First Amendment of the Constitution. And I'm not the only human being to have this sort of opinion, as you seem to act like I am. It's a pretty common human moral to not have sex with a first degree relative, and is also seen among different creatures as well, not just the human species. Also, there are some serious drawbacks on offsprings: increased risk of infertility, birth defects like cleft palates, facial asymmetry, and a handful of more issues. Also there is a heightened risk of early death, birth defect, or mental disability to the child. But my main reason is because I am an eldest sibling myself, and it's lawfully wrong, and personally disgusts me (other people can like it, I just don't), so for me it is morally wrong. Granted, I said facts are facts, but aside from the ones I stated above (I researched quite a bit, and there was nothing I could find supporting an incestuous relationship beyond "It feels good", so if you could legitimately show me a list of studies that prove there are NO issues at all having inbred offspring, I'd actually be interested in seeing them), it's more like they're facts to me. Something that makes sense to me is something I consider a fact. Something that's been backed up by evidence and scientific proof. I'm also aware that the moral wrongness behind incest is a learned perspective rather than something we're born with, but I still stand by that personal moral regardless.

Siaster said:


And there was talk about the possibilities of those previous studies to have been made to be purposefully false Cause incest being legal would be a a huge drag on economy.

Akarioru said:
To manga readers there's even another theory going on the fandom

aa-dono said:
Can you link me to that theory?

Akarioru said:

I dont have a link because I read it long ago, but it was a post showing

if you go to google, you'll find several posts of the theory in which the fandom points out the similarities.
http://www.aminoapps.com/page/anime/2461641/yona-of-the-dawn-theory-soo-won-is-king-hiryuu
http://stars-glow-for-you.tumblr.com/post/129650944769/soo-won-and-king-hiryuu-theory

Akarioru said:

I dont have a link because I read it long ago, but it was a post showing

if you go to google, you'll find several posts of the theory in which the fandom points out the similarities.
http://www.aminoapps.com/page/anime/2461641/yona-of-the-dawn-theory-soo-won-is-king-hiryuu
http://stars-glow-for-you.tumblr.com/post/129650944769/soo-won-and-king-hiryuu-theory

1. King Hiryuu hated war, and wanted a peaceful land, but he would not hesitate to fight if it meant protecting his people. Where as su-won agrees that he would go to war and kill anyone in his way if it meant he could strengthen their kingdoms reputation.

NOW as to who is going to be with Yona.... it better be Hak! As many times as he risked his life for her, and all Su-won did was kill her dad and try to kill her.

LoveAndJustice said:

Akatsubaki1227 said:
Her feeling toward Soo woon is more than infatuation. That i could say.

It's unrequited first love.

I try to imagine to be in her position. Yona had been closed with Soo-Won almost all her life.
He was there when she first experienced her first lost (mother's dead).
As a child who was just losing her mother, soo-won's presence help her deal with loneliness. And she became emotionally attached to him.
And then there could be a feeling of love like toward an older brother, since they grew up together too.
And how she loved Soo-won's character and good look (admiration, idolization).
All these feelings became first love experience for Yona.
If you ever have a first love when you were kid, how was that feeling?

And the more, she had been treasuring her feeling for Soo-Won from the age of 6 to 16.
Ten years are a very long time, especially when we are still kids... our memory is stronger.
Like i still remember my elementary school teachers, but forgot the name of my lecturers.

But Yona wouldn't end up with Soo-won.

As much as she loved Soo-Won, she loved her father too.
She can't forget about Soo-Won, nor she can forget about her father.
She may forgive Soo-Won, but she won't end up with him.
At best, it would be a political marriage with Soo-won.

After all the complexity of characters' emotions, i doubt Mizuho Kusanagi would throw us happy ending
with Soo-won. She has proven herself to be a good shoujo mangaka who could make a deep beautiful story.

Time will heal Yona's wound, she will move on. And this time, she will get her true love. :')

P.S. I personally prefer she would end up with Hak. This guy has been in love with her almost as long as she had been in love with Soo-Won. He sacrifices so much for her. No other girl can replace Yona for Hak. To say, he'd better end up with someone else would be disregarding Hak's feeling and sacrifices T.T He would end up single or end up getting Yona.
It's similar to what Hak said before they were cast out, that it was only a matter of time before Soo-won realized Yona's feeling. So yeah, it's only a matter of time before Yona realizes Hak's feeling.

CurryTeddy said:
Do u guys even have to discuss this anymore? It's more than obvious that Yona and Hak will end up together. U can try to spin the picture around as much as you want. A future between Won and Yona won't be possible, not in millions of years.




The better question would be when does a fking season appear. I need it. After watching season 1 I was like it's nice but after reading 100chapters of the manga in 1 day I was like, give me a second season even if u need to sacrifice people!! Akatsuki no Yona has become one of my favorite manga.