What's your understanding of moe? (read definitions below)
| [quote=Feaor] DrGeroCreation said: Oh no, every anime is moe.Moe fans know damn well what anime people are talking about when they say they don't like moe anime. |
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John_h said: I never called you a moe fan.DrGeroCreation said: Moe fans know damn well what anime people are talking about when they say they don't like moe anime. You called me a moe fan earlier, and aside from K-ON! (which you mentioned namely), I have absolutely no clue what kinds of shows you're talking about. |
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| Moe is awesome either way, I'll take Moe over Grimderp Edgefests any day. |
Feaor said: Moe is awesome either way, I'll take Moe over Grimderp Edgefests any day. At least this much is certain. |
DrGeroCreation said: Moe fans know damn well what anime people are talking about when they say they don't like moe anime. Probably, but moe still exists in a lot of ways and in great amounts outside of those stereotypical moe anime. You can just say CGDGTs suck, instead of ''moe is ruining the industry'' because the latter is not true. |
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I think this thread is gonna go places. Time to post some moe [spoiler]      [spoiler]Omg, so much kawaii~moe~ |
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mira-nyan said: I think this thread is gonna go places. Time to post some moe Omg, so much kawaii~moe~ 2/10 average |
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tsudecimo said: DrGeroCreation said: Moe fans know damn well what anime people are talking about when they say they don't like moe anime. Probably, but moe still exists in a lot of ways and in great amounts outside of those stereotypical moe anime. You can just say CGDGTs suck, instead of ''moe is ruining the industry'' because the latter is not true. Well, to be honest, cute girls doing cute things is as much of an ambiguous term as moe to use. I don't even know what those "cute things" mean. |
Dark_Chaos said: You say there is moe anime, yet you provide no examples. Tell me, what do you think moe is? Because it appears to me that you don't have the faintest idea :/ It's not my fault that you're a lazy ass that can't be bothered to read a few lines~ Moe anime? Moe isn't a genre, silly :P It's a collective term. By 'moe anime', we're describing the anime, not putting it into categories. A moe anime is an anime that has moe aspects :P, simple. |
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| It's always funny to see how uncomfortable moe makes all of the angst driven grim-edge lords. My characters have to be screaming maniacally with razor sharp zipper teeth and blood shot eyes of darkness and hatred. If someone's head is cut off and blood oozes on the screen, auto 10/10 with deep plot and complex themes. |
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jal90 said: tsudecimo said: Probably, but moe still exists in a lot of ways and in great amounts outside of those stereotypical moe anime. You can just say CGDGTs suck, instead of ''moe is ruining the industry'' because the latter is not true. Well, to be honest, cute girls doing cute things is as much of an ambiguous term as moe to use. I don't even know what those "cute things" mean. Doing nothing, lol. From what I can tell it's generally referred to a group of girls (shown as lolis despite their actual age) that hang out together, not doing anything specific in particular, and not strongly comedic, a non-driven slice of life, with a low or non-existent male characters. For example I think Kiniro Mosaic and Non Non Biyori belong to that. While Azumanga doesn't, because it's more comedic, and has a different vibe to it, the characters don't seem to be drawn in mind just to be cute. |
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hakuyu said: mira-nyan said: I think this thread is gonna go places. Time to post some moe Omg, so much kawaii~moe~ 2/10 average Meh, I would put better, but since I normally use imgur and can't get a hold of it, I just got random ones from Tumblr. =n= |
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| "cute girls doing cute things" All girl casts with loli designs doing stuff in high school (or some other kind of school) |
| [right] "The big secret to breaking the rules is to make it look as though you're following them." |
| "Discussing" moe is a mess. It's the same of trying to discuss "edgy". These are terms that became widespread on the internet AND worldwide, meaning completely different things for each community. Some who joined this animu/mango scheme earlier, have totally different meanings for those words than someone who "came" to this medium after the recent SnK-boom. That's the magic of the language and the only 100% true and canon post of this thread is truly kaiji is moe. RyanEnsign said: hakuyu said:  k  Improve your medium culture and perhaps one day you'll get it. |
Ratohnhaketon said: WHY THE FUCK does anyone who doesn't like moe anime= grimdark edge lord? Different people like different things moe fans should get that through their skulls instead of forcing it down people's throats.It's always funny to see how uncomfortable moe makes all of the angst driven grim-edge lords. My characters have to be screaming maniacally with razor sharp zipper teeth and blood shot eyes of darkness and hatred. If someone's head is cut off and blood oozes on the screen, auto 10/10 with deep plot and complex themes. |
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tsudecimo said: jal90 said: Well, to be honest, cute girls doing cute things is as much of an ambiguous term as moe to use. I don't even know what those "cute things" mean. Doing nothing, lol. From what I can tell it's generally referred to a group of girls that hang out together, not doing anything specific in particular, and not strongly comedic, a non-driven slice of life, with a low or non-existent male characters. For example I think Kiniro Mosaic and Non Non Biyori belong to that. While Azumanga doesn't, because it's more comedic, than characters being cute, or maybe it's just the difference in year releases. Yeah, pretty much. But it's not focused on being cute. It has a different focus. Being cute is just the side aspect that makes it moe. It doesn't matter what genre. You could go into a grim dark anime ---> See a kawaii girl doing kawaii things ---> Say 'This girl is moe' or 'This anime is moe'. It's really just how you see it. |
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tsudecimo said: I know that. People are free to say whatever they want though even if it is wrong.DrGeroCreation said: Moe fans know damn well what anime people are talking about when they say they don't like moe anime. Probably, but moe still exists in a lot of ways and in great amounts outside of those stereotypical moe anime. You can just say CGDGTs suck, instead of ''moe is ruining the industry'' because the latter is not true. |
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DrGeroCreation said: But there are just as many people who nonsensically bash 'moe', we get it you like anime about manly men or whatever, but other people have different tastes and moe isn't 'killing' the industry or anything like that.WHY THE FUCK does anyone who doesn't like moe anime= grimdark edge lord. Different people like different things moe fans should get that through their skulls instead of forcing it down people's throats. |
DrGeroCreation said: Different people like different things moe fans should get that through their skulls instead of forcing it down people's throats. Different people like different things non-moe fans should get that through their skulls instead of forcing it down people's throats. This is getting silly now. And it's funny how the post really triggered you. |
| Your honor, I never wrote this post. |
| He might be sarcastic (I can't tell at this point lol) but having only two extremes is really stupid. |
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mira-nyan said: It doesn't matter what genre. You could go into a grim dark anime ---> See a kawaii girl doing kawaii things ---> Say 'This girl is moe' or 'This anime is moe'. It's really just how you see it. I know, as I said it earlier: ''moe still exists in a lot of ways and in great amounts outside of those stereotypical moe anime.'' |
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jal90 said: tsudecimo said: Probably, but moe still exists in a lot of ways and in great amounts outside of those stereotypical moe anime. You can just say CGDGTs suck, instead of ''moe is ruining the industry'' because the latter is not true. Well, to be honest, cute girls doing cute things is as much of an ambiguous term as moe to use. I don't even know what those "cute things" mean. 'Cute things' = what you consider cute things. It might even be normal things that they just make look cute. |
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Feaor said: I only like anime about manly men? Ah my Goddess is only about manly men? Witch Craft Works is only about manly men? I never said moe is killing the industry quit jumping to conclusions. People can hate or like whatever they want. When everyone hates on battle shonen anime nobody fucking says anything but if anyone doesn't like moe anime people here always throw a fit.DrGeroCreation said: But there are just as many people who nonsensically bash 'moe', we get it you like anime about manly men or whatever, but other people have different tastes and moe isn't 'killing' the industry or anything like that.WHY THE FUCK does anyone who doesn't like moe anime= grimdark edge lord. Different people like different things moe fans should get that through their skulls instead of forcing it down people's throats. |
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mira-nyan said: Dark_Chaos said: You say there is moe anime, yet you provide no examples. Tell me, what do you think moe is? Because it appears to me that you don't have the faintest idea :/ It's not my fault that you're a lazy ass that can't be bothered to read a few lines~ Moe anime? Moe isn't a genre, silly :P It's a collective term. By 'moe anime', we're describing the anime, not putting it into categories. A moe anime is an anime that has moe aspects :P, simple. It's not my fault you are unable to make clear concise points and convey your thoughts more clearly. Describe what you think to be "moe aspects" then. Surely you can do that, can you not? |
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tsudecimo said: mira-nyan said: It doesn't matter what genre. You could go into a grim dark anime ---> See a kawaii girl doing kawaii things ---> Say 'This girl is moe' or 'This anime is moe'. It's really just how you see it. I know, as I said it earlier: ''moe still exists in a lot of ways and in great amounts outside of those stereotypical moe anime.'' I know, I only recently saw that :p Also, I'm agreeing with you, silly :P |
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Dark_Chaos said: mira-nyan said: It's not my fault that you're a lazy ass that can't be bothered to read a few lines~ Moe anime? Moe isn't a genre, silly :P It's a collective term. By 'moe anime', we're describing the anime, not putting it into categories. A moe anime is an anime that has moe aspects :P, simple. It's not my fault you are unable to make clear concise points and convey your thoughts more clearly. Describe what you think to be "moe aspects" then. Surely you can do that, can you not? Pls go back 3 pages. I'm not feeling the fever enough to explain it again =.= |
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DrGeroCreation said: That comment wasn't particularly directed at you more so at a lot of people that seem to bash 'moe' or CGDCT because they only watch tough stuff and as a result 'moe' is killing the industry.I only like anime about manly men? Ah my Goddess is only about manly men? Witch Craft Works is only about manly men? I never said moe is killing the industry quit jumping to conclusions. People can hate or like whatever they want. When everyone hates on battle shonen anime nobody fucking says anything but if anyone doesn't like moe anime people here always throw a fit. Also I seem to run into way more people that bash moe then people who fight against bashing moe. |
mira-nyan said: Dark_Chaos said: It's not my fault you are unable to make clear concise points and convey your thoughts more clearly. Describe what you think to be "moe aspects" then. Surely you can do that, can you not? Pls go back 3 pages. I'm not feeling the fever enough to explain it again =.= You are unable to condense your mess of a post into simple concise points then? I am asking you to do so, yet it is not yet done. Can you not do it? |
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DrGeroCreation said: It's...a miracle I can...respond to this..AGH!..post...all of that edge...just cut off 3 of my finge...Ratohnhaketon said: WHY THE FUCK does anyone who doesn't like moe anime= grimdark edge lord? Different people like different things moe fans should get that through their skulls instead of forcing it down people's throats.It's always funny to see how uncomfortable moe makes all of the angst driven grim-edge lords. My characters have to be screaming maniacally with razor sharp zipper teeth and blood shot eyes of darkness and hatred. If someone's head is cut off and blood oozes on the screen, auto 10/10 with deep plot and complex themes. Different people do like different things, what does that have to do with my post? I bask in watching how irritated people get by its existence and laugh at the ones who claim it's ruining anime and a substitute for good writing. |
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Dark_Chaos said: You are unable to condense your mess of a post into simple concise points then? I am asking you to do so, yet it is not yet done. Can you not do it? 1) It's not a mess. It's P.E.E.L broza 2) No, I can't. Things I have been thought aren't simply going to fly out of my head and make me give a one line answer. 3) I've told you my point(s). You find it or nah. Not my problem~ 4) You've become boring. Boring things are boring. Our 'discussion' is ovah. =.= |
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PeripheralVision said: I always assumed it meant cute girls doing cute things. If you ask me, shows like Code Geass and NGNL are ruining anime. B-b-b-b-b-but Shiro is a cute girl and she does c-c-cute things! |
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mira-nyan said: Dark_Chaos said: You are unable to condense your mess of a post into simple concise points then? I am asking you to do so, yet it is not yet done. Can you not do it? 1) It's not a mess. It's P.E.E.L broza 2) No, I can't. Things I have been thought aren't simply going to fly out of my head and make me give a one line answer. 3) I've told you my point(s). You find it or nah. Not my problem~ 4) You've become boring. Boring things are boring. Our 'discussion' is ovah. =.= If you understood what you were talking about, you would easily be able to condense that mess into concise points. The fact that you cannot shows that you do not understand what you are talking about, unfortunately. Hell, you didn't even know what "moe aspects" were, something you yourself brought up. If you bring up something like that, I expect you to elaborate, and you sadly could not. I'm not sure if I can even take you seriously any more :S |
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Ratohnhaketon said: The problem is that what you claimed is a gross overgeneralization. It's pretty asinine to claim that only "edge lords " don't like moe anime.DrGeroCreation said: It's...a miracle I can...respond to this..AGH!..post...all of that edge...just cut off 3 of my finge...WHY THE FUCK does anyone who doesn't like moe anime= grimdark edge lord? Different people like different things moe fans should get that through their skulls instead of forcing it down people's throats. Different people do like different things, what does that have to do with my post? I bask in watching how irritated people get by its existence and laugh at the ones who claim it's ruining anime and a substitute for good writing. Feaor said: It's the opposite for me. Also I seem to run into way more people that bash moe then people who fight against bashing moe. |
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PeripheralVision said: Some what and I guess I apologize for that. I however didn't say or imply forcing down my throat but peoples' throats.Didn't you sorta generalize that us Moe fans are forcing it down your throats? |
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| I think it's right to think of Moe as mainly a "feeling". It derives from a verb meaning to 'bud' or 'burn'. "moe things" elicit "moe emotions". The word itself has now become a blanket term for the object/ verb/ adjective. In my view there are roughly 3 categories of this which blend into each other. Guys probably feel more of all 3 types, and girls 2 & 3: 1. Sexual/love-cute 2. Vulnerable-cute 3. Sweet/adorable-cute |
| For my moe is cute girls doing cute thing and i frankly don't like it, but that's another story. |
Okashi_sama said: DrGeroCreation said: It's funny how moe fans always pull the moe can be anything to avoid criticism of their shows yet when there is talk about moe characters in clubs and in other anime forums only certain characters are mentioned. It's funny how shounen fans always pull the shounen can be anything to avoid criticism of their shows yet when there is talk about shounen shows in clubs and in other anime forums only certain shows are mentioned. .... Seinen ftw And why the fuck are you comparing moe with a demographic. Most moe are shounen. |
| I'm going to leave this here for you guys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_%28slang%29 "It is a pun derived from a Japanese word that literally means "budding," as with a plant that is about to flower, and thus it can also be used to mean [b]"budding" as with a preadolescent girl." [/b] [u]"Girls who create a feeling of moe are called moekko (萌えっ娘?) from "娘" meaning "female child" [/u] "Galbraith states that the term came from 2channel in the 1990s, discussing female characters who were [b]"hybrids of the Lolicon (Lolita Complex) and bishoujo (beautiful girl) genres". [/b] Common characteristics See also: neoteny These characteristics are seen in many moe characters, but they do not define moe characters: large eyes (1/5 size of face) small nose flat face tall iris body 5.7 heads tall thin limbs large head (bobbleheadlike) colorful hair bangs over eyes neotenized face large pupils anime antenna hair called ahoge (アホ毛?) As the first decade of the 2000s unfolded, moé became increasing popular and recognized, invoking a commercial interest in manufacturing and exploiting moé. As this process occurred, moé evolved from being a non-sexual desire to hug, love, and protect to being a sexually sublimated fascination with cuteness. Moé shifted entirely from a two-way interchange between character and viewer to becoming distinctly a characteristic of particular characters or a focused fetish of viewers. [b]Particularly anime including K-On, Lucky Star, and Moetan deliberately revolved around adorable, whimsical, clumsy, early-adolescent girl characters in order to evoke, enflame, and manipulate the interests and affections of viewers. [/b] "Jason Thompson of Otaku USA regards moe when applied to young female characters or people as being an offshoot of the lolicon phenomenon and the role of cuteness in Japanese culture." In response to the growing otaku fetishization of cute female characters in anime and manga, Japanese animator and self-avowed feminist Hayao Miyazaki has stated: It's difficult. They immediately become the subjects of lolicon fetishism. In a sense, if we want to depict someone who is affirmative to us, we have no choice but to make them as lovely as possible. But now, there are too many people who shamelessly depict [such heroines] as if they just want [such girls] as pets, and things are escalating more and more. —Hayao Miyazaki, "Why heroines in Miyazaki works: A collection of short excerpts" |
DrGeroCreationFeb 22, 2015 1:31 PM
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| The reason I dislike moe is because lots of moe shows such as K-On focus more on the "cute girls" than actually progressing the plot. For the whole show literally nothing happened. |
Shadow-Senpai said: The reason I dislike moe is because lots of moe shows such as K-On focus more on the "cute girls" than actually progressing the plot. For the whole show literally nothing happened. Too lazy to make an explanation why i dislike moe, so i'll use this one for the time being. |
| I personally dislike moe anime because they mainly focus on underaged looking girls and school is a main setting for them. If there were moe anime about adult, cute female characters doing cute things and not set in highschool then I would probably like it. |
DrGeroCreationFeb 22, 2015 1:37 PM
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Hulohot said: Shadow-Senpai said: The reason I dislike moe is because lots of moe shows such as K-On focus more on the "cute girls" than actually progressing the plot. For the whole show literally nothing happened. Too lazy to make an explanation why i dislike moe, so i'll use this one for the time being. Then it would be right to put the focus on explaining which plot would you guys like to be progressed in K-On!, since it's not like the series raised anything prominent outside of its slice-of-life narrative. |
PeripheralVision said: Shadow-Senpai said: The reason I dislike moe is because lots of moe shows such as K-On focus more on the "cute girls" than actually progressing the plot. For the whole show literally nothing happened. And that's the point. Status quo is status quo, nothing is suppose to progress till the show closes. That's what moe is about. Perpetual teenager doing cute things dsiregarding the fact that we all grow up in the end. It's wish fulfillment at its best, as much as James Bond is a gary stu. I don't blame you for not liking it. You're one of those people who want stuff to happen. I just happen to be one of those guys that indulge in light hearted works to get away from the crapiness of the world. It's just personal preference I guess, the main reason I dislike moe is because I don't find most of the characters I've seen in moe shows to be "cute". |
DrGeroCreation said: I personally dislike moe anime because they mainly focus on underaged looking girls and school is a main setting for them. If there were moe anime about adult, cute female characters doing cute things and not set in highschool then I would probably like it. It's possible to find a moe adult in anime. But unless you create it yourself, you won't find an anime focused on moe adults. This is cos 'derp otakus'. :V This is why I treasure my dear waifu. |
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