Bleach Chapter 569 Discussion

voidox said:


no dude, it's really just all fan service :/

Rukia got her bankai thru nothing but plotkai and BS shortcuts that can make no sense at all except foooor: OVER 9000 deus ex powerups!!

Every other shinigami, in the Bleach universe, has WORKED for their bankai... and that 10 year rule was solid as it's been clearly said that the only ppl to ever bypass this rule were Ichigo and Urahara cause they used Urahara's special TRAINING method, look at that, it's still training... and that's my real problem... Kubo just did this Rukia bankai out of the fcking blue cause it's last arc, so fck it eh :/

I mean, there was ALOT of risk involved with Urahara's method and the only real reason Ichigo could do it was cause he's special and all that (main character).... in no way is Rukia anywhere near that 'special' or any shit like that. It has NEVER once been shown or said that she is in some way a great prodigy, or that she's got some special blood in her, or anything like that.... if you fans remember, she ain't originally a Kuchiki, she was adopted~

So sure, fangasm over the bankai, I'm just calling out the total BS of her getting it on a silver platter from the RG.



Byakuya was never shown to have suddenly learned of his safe zone, he always knew of that safe zone and it was only just revealed to us in the Fullbring arc.

And wtf do u mean u can't master your kai? wtf is "good enough"?

You're gonna tell me shinigami like Yamamoto or Unohana did not master their zan!? What... they were only "good enough" and yet had room for improvement?

Look, the general point of a bankai is that when a shinigami fully masters his shikai, his/her next level of power is the bankai. So when they go on and train and all that, their goal to aim for is now: bankai, and not mastering shikai as that mastery is complete... can't just suddenly achieve bankai out of the blue when u still don't even know your shikai's full power or the extent of all it's abilities! You must master your shikai for bankai to present itself to you... case in point(s), all the shinigami we have seen with bankai have NEVER once been shown to gain a new shikai ability or tech cause they have ALL already mastered their shikai.

Now mastering bankai is a whole other matter.



well, i got nothing more to say here.... seems you actually like all this deus ex BS that kubo has come up with in regards to the RG seeing he's too lazy to fcking stick to a coherent universe.... w/e... Kubo's plan to give the more popular characters bankai for no reason other than moar sales seems to be working well seeing u all fangasm so hard over this shit while hiding behind the: "RG CAN DO IT ALLLLL" -_-



....you do know the Bleach wiki gets all it's info from the fcking manga.... don't get what you're trying to say here :/ If there is any logic to find in the wiki, it's gonna have to come from the manga.


lul, a quote from Einstein.... just wow dude... ~_~ I'd give you a gold star but I've seemed to have misplaced it :<



WELL, real glad that you know everything that happened with the RG and rukia and all that stuffssss seeing as Kubo has yet to show anything to the rest of us.... I can really only come up with theories based of the knowledge and rules we have from the manga (and it ALL points to deus ex BS) as opposed to your HARD facts.

Maybe share what else you know? OR WAIT, how about sharing Kubo's number!? o:

FinalWolf said:
The endless amount of whining you're doing right now is almost sicking. If you hate the manga that much maybe you should stop reading it? Because week after week I see you bitching about everything, although I'm sure next week you will cry about something else as well.

Rukia: Nii-sama finally noticed me!
Achievement Unlocked: Bankai! 10000G
(Nii-sama noticed you)

voidox said:

Rukia got her bankai thru nothing but plotkai and BS shortcuts that can make no sense at all except foooor: OVER 9000 deus ex powerups!!

antonnn said:
Hopefully it's something good.

Some people just cannot be pleased atm, complaining captains getting one shotted and the fights being crappy short fights, and now that there's been are few fights that a several chapters long involving some of the more important characters, people are just waiting for the next fight because it's been going on too long... What do some of you really want?

TsukiCrasher said:
Again, people kept talking about LOGIC.

If you want to argue about LOGIC so much, think again:

WHO is the one arguing about FICTIONAL CHARACTER in the first place? (I'm amaze that you can talking about LOGIC knowing that this series is just FICTION)

voidox said:


so fiction and logic are mutually exclusive...? walk away pls -_-

TsukiCrasher said:
In a fiction work, everything can happen. You can change phycic law. You can change logic. You can create anything.

If you want to think about logic, here's a question:

DOES SHINIGAMI EVEN EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Love this chapter 5/5

Haters, go AWAY... please

voidox said:


.... i really cba cause I'm 100% you have no idea what logic even means and/or how 'logical sense" is used in the context of Bleach/fiction. So again, move on pls.

TsukiCrasher said:


If Kubo want to create... let say Kubo's law. Can you even argue about it?

TsukiCrasher said:
If Kubo want to create... let say Kubo's law. Can you even argue about it?

NeoAnkara said:
[]Yes if the law contradict each other.

astrozombie84 said:

people just like to bitch. they got nothing better to do then hate on an anime. alot of it is the same people bitching every week.

they literally read bleach just so they have something to bitch about.
what other reason could there be for people to read something they hate.

bleach seams to take alot of flak even more then naruto.
its really sad honestly, i would like to have a discussion about bleach without hearing everyone's petty complaints.

but whatever haters gonna hate so its better to just ignore them

TsukiCrasher said:


If Kubo want to create... let say Kubo's law. Can you even argue about it?

NeoAnkara said:
Yes if the law contradict each other.

kennikitty said:


The fact that Bleach receives a lot more hate now compared to it's former glory times, is not because now people suddenly like to hate on it. There has to be a reason why people dislike it so much more now and the reason is, Bleach went from a pretty good shounen manga to... THIS. The storytelling is terrible, every arc follows exactly the same forseeable formular, the power-levels are rediculous, the story is full of plot-holes (therefore all these logic-arguments) and this manga has established way too many pseudo-main characters who all receive too much attention effectively stealing the spot light from the main character who needs to stand out even MORE to be able to be recognizable as the main character. And these are just some of the most prominent problems Bleach suffers from.

The world in Bleach used to follow certain rules, but these rules are overritten or just ignored all the time to the point that you sometimes begin to wonder if the author himself did that on purpose, or just forgot what he had established a few years ago. The most interesting part of Bleach in the past year was the backstory of Isshin, Ishida and Masaki, because in those chapters we saw progression and were given legit answers and useful information. This little piece of backstory is more interesting than the current events taking place in the manga. This is alarmingly sad.

Yes, people complain about the fights. And here's the reason: jump in power and all the strong Shinigmai are suddenly way too weak and get slain one after another. Boring! Two chapter and a bit of training later - every remotely popular or somehwat important character, and Bleach has way too many of those, is now freakishly strong and needs weeks after weeks to lay out his newly established powers. This is also boring. It doesn't help the overall storytelling has slowed down a lot and these fights could have been over much faster, if the storytelling wouldn't be this painfully slow. Hence, people complain the fights are too long, because week after week barely anything happens in the ongoing fights. I remember in Hueco Muno when Kenpachi was fighting there was one chapter where one strike was made and the rest of the entire chapter was just talking. I don't want to see them talk for hours, I want to see them fight.

And don't let me begin about the characters and their personalities and character development, or characters that were formlery main cast and have now completely vanished, because they're essentially entirely useless now.

I personally think many former fans may be just very disappointed by Bleach. They don't read this manga to hate it, they read it, because they formerly liked it and may hope this manga will at least end on a high note. They want to see how it ends, but the road to this end is just so painfully disappointing.
I like to end what I started, that's the reason why I still read it and I usually just try to ignore the bad chapters, therefore most of them, but reading the chapter discussions is a bad idea in my case, I admit that.

TsukiCrasher said:
[You're complaining about my grammar? Yes. Sorry for my poor English... as English is not my mother language]

TsukiCrasher said:
Really? He creates his own law in his own fiction work. Is that wrong?

Besides, you didn't even answer about the shinigami existence thing?

voidox said:


sorry, didn't know English is not ur first language, didn't mean to attack u on that.



Ya, there's nothing at all wrong with Kubo creating his own laws/rules/whatever for his universe, in fact, he NEEDED to or else his manga would make shit for sense and hell, why need captains, vcs, quincy or ANYTHING at all if there aren't any rules or shit that make sense ne.

And I don't need to answer that question as that's got nothing to do with the point of my argument man. My point is that Kubo has reached so fcking low with how he's shit on his OWN laws and rules in his manga that he went fck all on logical sense with Rukia's bankai and just went for fanservice sense with it :/

kennikitty said:


The fact that Bleach receives a lot more hate now compared to it's former glory times, is not because now people suddenly like to hate on it. There has to be a reason why people dislike it so much more now and the reason is, Bleach went from a pretty good shounen manga to... THIS. The storytelling is terrible, every arc follows exactly the same forseeable formular, the power-levels are rediculous, the story is full of plot-holes (therefore all these logic-arguments) and this manga has established way too many pseudo-main characters who all receive too much attention effectively stealing the spot light from the main character who needs to stand out even MORE to be able to be recognizable as the main character. And these are just some of the most prominent problems Bleach suffers from.

The world in Bleach used to follow certain rules, but these rules are overwritten or just ignored all the time to the point that you sometimes begin to wonder if the author himself did that on purpose, or just forgot what he had established a few years ago. The most interesting part of Bleach in the past year was the backstory of Isshin, Ishida and Masaki, because in those chapters we saw progression and were given legit answers and useful information. This little piece of backstory is more interesting than the current events taking place in the manga. This is alarmingly sad.

Yes, people complain about the fights. And here's the reason: jump in power and all the strong Shinigmai are suddenly way too weak and get slain one after another. Boring! Two chapter and a bit of training later - every remotely popular or somehwat important character, and Bleach has way too many of those, is now freakishly strong and needs weeks after weeks to lay out his newly established powers. This is also boring. It doesn't help the overall storytelling has slowed down a lot and these fights could have been over much faster, if the storytelling wouldn't be this painfully slow. Hence, people complain the fights are too long, because week after week barely anything happens in the ongoing fights. I remember in Hueco Muno when Kenpachi was fighting there was one chapter where one strike was made and the rest of the entire chapter was just talking. I don't want to see them talk for hours, I want to see them fight.

And don't let me begin about the characters and their personalities and character development, or characters that were formlery main cast and have now completely vanished, because they're essentially entirely useless now.

I personally think many former fans may be just very disappointed by Bleach. They don't read this manga to hate it, they read it, because they formerly liked it and may hope this manga will at least end on a high note. They want to see how it ends, but the road to this end is just so painfully disappointing.
I like to end what I started, that's the reason why I still read it and I usually just try to ignore the bad chapters, therefore most of them, but reading the chapter discussions is a bad idea in my case, I admit that.

NeoAnkara said:
Oh yeah for your information I belive that shinigami/death god/whateverit'sname is exist.

voidox said:
Alright guys... i may have come off seemingly harsh on Rukia's bankai itself.... look, I don't actually hate the fact Rukia got a ban kai (ok maybe slightly), and I don't actually hate Rukia. But in the end, she was always gonna get a bankai seeing as she's a main character due for a real heavy powerup, and hey, with Kubo's art her bankai has real strong potential to looking cool ne :]

But my real issues were on the when and how of her getting bankai and what really gets to me is like what kennikitty mentioned: Bleach used to be such a great manga that had a really interesting sense to it's verse with all the villain powers, hero powerups, ranks, mystery powers and all that. I just find that the current state of the Bleach verse has really REALLY fallen low with how Kubo has taken things and tbh, it's just real.... shitty... :/

Morcombe said:
Holy crap Kubo can we please move on from these fodder ass villains.

If Rukia had bankai why didn't she just use from the start. why has her and Renji's fighst been so long when they have literally had the power to one shot these villains the whole time. it's not exciting, it's not entertaining, these villainos have had no screen time, no character development they are just here to die at the hands of our heroes so get them over with quick.

Byakuya's recognition talk with Rukai would have much more importance if he had done it after she had sucecfully killed the villain on her own not after having him save her, it completely diminishes it.

how much longer can he drag out this terrible pacing.