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| Talking to Darklight is useless with all that Slaine Hate in his heart. Im done here ahhaha. Im waiting for the end. |
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julyachan said: Talking to Darklight is useless with all that Slaine Hate in his heart. Im done here ahhaha. Im waiting for the end. ANd I'll be there with the 'I told you so' when my line of reasoning is proven true. |
Darklight0303 said: Which is not true. It would have taken a while but had Sazbaum not made a mess of things and started the war, things could POTENTIALLY have started mending. It would have taken a while. Still war, still people killed, still no peace from the beginning. xD |
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julyachan said: Darklight0303 said: Which is not true. It would have taken a while but had Sazbaum not made a mess of things and started the war, things could POTENTIALLY have started mending. It would have taken a while. Still war, still people killed, still no peace from the beginning. xD You make no sense. It would have been a revolution if it stayed within Mars soil. The war was never a certainty until Sazbaum MADE it one. |
| Damn, so far this season has been less enjoyable than the first one for me. All it has going for it are the action scenes. |
Darklight0303 said: julyachan said: Talking to Darklight is useless with all that Slaine Hate in his heart. Im done here ahhaha. Im waiting for the end. ANd I'll be there with the 'I told you so' when my line of reasoning is proven true. Ok then. But maybe I'm gonna be there with the I told you so, laughing about all your useless hate. I bet a beer. |
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Darklight0303 said: julyachan said: It would have taken a while. Still war, still people killed, still no peace from the beginning. xD You make no sense. It would have been a revolution if it stayed within Mars soil. The war was never a certainty until Sazbaum MADE it one. But Sazbaum made it right? And this was the point of no return. NOT SLAINEs faut. xD |
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julyachan said: Darklight0303 said: You make no sense. It would have been a revolution if it stayed within Mars soil. The war was never a certainty until Sazbaum MADE it one. But Sazbaum made it right? And this was the point of no return. NOT SLAINEs faut. xD It is Slaine's fault for helping Sazbaum. Again saving him from Inaho was a huge blunder that almost cost him everything and he has yet to take true responsibility for that instead shifting the blame on Inaho and on Sazbaum. Sazbaum did not even call to Slaine for help and he stupidly intervened. That is how much of a puppet he is. |
| Someone put this show out of its misery, for God's sake. The train is wrecking so hard that the pain is unbearable. |
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Litrydow said: Someone should've done this a long time ago.Someone put this show out of its misery, for God's sake. The train is wrecking so hard that the pain is unbearable. |
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deadoptimist said: I think that there're practial laws of writing, and an experienced writer could formulate some more or less proveable principles, but it seems that we don't have one here. But I think that while Inaho has a personality in sense that he is a person with some traits, there're problems with the writing of his character. The first and the obvious being that he doesn't have flaws. The only one that is demonstrated is that he can be inconsiderate sometimes, but that doesn't affect his social life. Normally a character is given flaws to seem human. The second issue I have is that he has no backstory. We know that he lost parents and lived with Yuki, but nothing more - that makes him seem a clean slate and contributes to the impression, that some have, that he is dull. He doesn't seem entirely normal. His skills in science (and we don't know the exact number of fields, which doesn't help) are higher than those of most people. In the same time his face is inexpressive and his need for social interaction seems lower than that of the most people. That suggests savantism, autism or at least some sort of deviation, but despite being an interesting trait is has been written down as "he is always like this". But Yuki comments on his facial expressions, since they are not readable, so don't we need more attention towards his unique traits? You'd be interested, if you met a guy like him. His social situation seems unrealistic. A person with stunted social behaviour is more likely to repel people, especially in teens, especially of opposite sex. And Inaho is show in the center of a group of friends. People in groups gather to interact, so he could be dragged around - hardly a center of attention. People have argued that it' doesn't have to be like that, but when talking about people we usually address aour experiences. Mine is that louder, more energetic people attract friends more than quiet introverts. The latter are less noticed, cause they're quiet. Inaho's progression is really subtle, as if in not really noticeable, compared to his counterpart in the plot. His appearance is almost unchanged, his outfit stays mostly the same. He became slightly more talkative, but it is not really much considering the time passed. (Subjective note - I have to agree with those who say that him starting to giving encouragements rounds him up as an ideal character even more, so it doesn't seem to me as a good decision) Inaho doesn't have introspection moments besides thoughts of Asseylum, so we don't know about his concerns, dreams, worldview or way of thinking (besides the love for eggs). The oly thing we know he is rational. The writing doesn't do a good work of showing this basic trait. Or, more precisely, we are shown only the good side, while the scary side of overly rational person - the fact that you can get a lower priority in their eyes than some goal - is not touched upon. He is not put in any context. We don't know of his relationship with command (the remark of him being not a team player was good, but it was singular and it is not developped). We don't see him interacting much with his peers - if it's a negative traits, they don't react to it. Only Inko helps. But more importantly we don't see him in the bigger picture of Earth defense forces (unlike, I am sorry, Slaine). Inaho doesn't react to other people's actions much. In short - we know very little of him, he has more negative traits than positive ones, and it's not really compensated with anything besides the action scenes. Btw, I leave this as a a bait and go to sleep, sorry. -_- Gotta work to do tomorrow morning. I didn't see anyone respond to your post (i could be wrong but i think i checked) and I believe that the main reasons no one responded was 1) because there's nothing here to dispute, I think you hit Inaho's character development on the mark or 2) because they're too busy discussing hardcore math theory. Ew. |
| Slaine is a mutha asshole |
| Shirayuki= Most Perfect Female MC ever |
liavalon said: I actually want Slaine to win the war. Fk the good guys, their characters are boring! +1 I only wonder and I can't wait to see ending of this series... Have some many ideas for ending... Wonder which trope they will pick xD Anyway... I want Inaho to die, but this is impossible, because even they kill him, he will return with new heart, new brain, new lungs or... as robot. -.- |
LittleStar said: liavalon said: I actually want Slaine to win the war. Fk the good guys, their characters are boring! +1 I only wonder and I can't wait to see ending of this series... Have some many ideas for ending... Wonder which trope they will pick xD Anyway... I want Inaho to die, but this is impossible, because even they kill him, he will return with new heart, new brain, new lungs or... as robot. -.- Some people just want to see the world burn. That would be you guys. |
Inugirlz said: I didn't see anyone respond to your post (i could be wrong but i think i checked) and I believe that the main reasons no one responded was 1) because there's nothing here to dispute, I think you hit Inaho's character development on the mark or 2) because they're too busy discussing hardcore math theory. Ew. Thanks! Or, I guess, it was too long... >< I wanted to take part in the discussion about subjectivity in art criticism, but I understood that I know a bit only about analysis, not criticsm, and I don't know much about math... Still, I think, that yetserday this thread was better than usually. |
Litrydow said: Someone put this show out of its misery, for God's sake. The train is wrecking so hard that the pain is unbearable. What train? There isnt much left by how often it has been wrecked already. Pulverized. |
LittleStar said: liavalon said: I actually want Slaine to win the war. Fk the good guys, their characters are boring! +1 I only wonder and I can't wait to see ending of this series... Have some many ideas for ending... Wonder which trope they will pick xD Anyway... I want Inaho to die, but this is impossible, because even they kill him, he will return with new heart, new brain, new lungs or... as robot. -.- And I want to be a duck that can fly and breath water so I can fly into space and extinguish the sun, sadly we can't always have what we want. Joking aside I also wonder how this will end, my bet is on everyone dying. |
Darklight0303 said: leelee619 said: Any ideals on who's the final boss after this episode? Slaine is the final boss. It's obvious. He's keeping the princess in the dark in her gilded cage, in the middle of a fake garden ignorant of what is being done in her name with her image. Smart on his part but it will bite him in the ass for sure. Next episode we have the hardest battle Terrans have had in this war how do you guys know that? is a manga released of the series. because on wikipedia there is only the anime. :/ |
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stephenmac7 said: mangalicker94 said: how do you guys know that? is a manga released of the series. because on wikipedia there is only the anime. :/ It's speculation based on the ending of this episode. And the actions throughout this entire season thus far. |
mangalicker94 said: Darklight0303 said: Slaine is the final boss. It's obvious. He's keeping the princess in the dark in her gilded cage, in the middle of a fake garden ignorant of what is being done in her name with her image. Smart on his part but it will bite him in the ass for sure. Next episode we have the hardest battle Terrans have had in this war how do you guys know that? is a manga released of the series. because on wikipedia there is only the anime. :/ Because he is the one leading the martian invasion? On top of that its already too late to introduce another "main villain". |
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kymano said: Darklight0303 said: It is Slaine's fault for helping Sazbaum. Again saving him from Inaho was a huge blunder that almost cost him everything and he has yet to take true responsibility for that instead shifting the blame on Inaho and on Sazbaum. Sazbaum did not even call to Slaine for help and he stupidly intervened. That is how much of a puppet he is. Again? people use episode 12 like its a freaking bible.Ok who the heck is INAHO? Slaine doesnt even know who Inaho was or is during that time and the impression he got from Inaho was that Inaho wanted to exploit the princess.Slaine back then was too naive to believe that people can see their errors, remember he did confront Saazbaum to not kill the princess to which did show Saazbaum the errors of him blaming his problems on the princess.Sadly, Saazbaum already digged a deep hole for himself and needs to the go all the way through.Also Slaine was planning on stopping Saazbaum right after that incident but it was already too late.Ok lets say Inaho DID kill Saazbaum, who the heck is SLAINE?? Inaho doesnt even know Slaine.If you were in Inaho's line of view , the only thing Inaho would see is another Martian mech rushing towards him, in the heat of war Inaho would have to duel Slaine(who clearly had no clue how to pilot his own mech) therefore Inaho would have killed Slaine and it would be a safe play.Ok what if Slaine surrendered? Inaho has no idea what Slaine looks like and would only see a Martian soldier chances are Inaho would kill him or the UFE will arrest Slaine.Also mentioning Asseylum has no idea where Slaine was nor if Slaine owns a mech so the chances of her bailing him out are slim to zero.So if it had went the other way from the original plot Inaho and Asseylum would have looked for another Terran HQ (probably in space) while Slaine rots in jail. Happy now. Conveniently ignoring that the princess was worried about him before she was shot. Also Slaine could have found the princess and she could have smoothed things over betweeh Inaho and Slaine since Inaho would listen to the princess. But alas Slaine's retardation made that impossible. Also paragraphs are your friend. |
| At the moment, for me Slaine is the best character in terms of development. I neither root for him nor do I agree with this motivations and actions but so far he has the most interesting storyline and buildup while Inaho is just... Well, Inaho. |
kymano said: Darklight0303 said: Conveniently ignoring that the princess was worried about him before she was shot. Also Slaine could have found the princess and she could have smoothed things over betweeh Inaho and Slaine since Inaho would listen to the princess. But alas Slaine's retardation made that impossible. Also paragraphs are your friend. It was in the heat of the battle , all the martian soldiers that appeared clearly had an objective to KILL the princess, so in short Inaho will suspect that Slaine's mech is Saazbaum's support and will not take any chances in sorting any misunderstanding out. Still it is safe play if Inaho DID kill Slaine at that point since Slaine is clearly the enemy here. Inaho didn't even see Slaine there until he tackled Inaho off of Sazbaum. Slaine could have easily moved on to find the princess but he didn't. Is your memory seriously that faulty? |
YurikoRaine said: At the moment, for me Slaine is the best character in terms of development. Maybe I am the only one but I do think what Slaine went through is character derailment rather than character development. Character development means there is some sort of progression but with Slaine there was none. There was literally no transition between the Slaine that only cared about protecting the princess we saw in the first season and the power-grabbing bastard we have in the second season. Never did we see Slaine caring about becoming the king of vers nor are there any real reasons given as to why he wants to do so since like I said all he ever cared about is the princess. He suddenly became something different at the end of episode 12 in literally an instant. To be honest its like they complety rewrote Slaine's character from scratch for the second season without caring how Slaine was in the first season, as a result he is a very inconsistent character. |
Raziel1991Feb 22, 2015 12:30 PM
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| I'm left gaping in amazement that people still actually support the actions of Slaine, and even try to find excuses to lay the blame on others. He's been a pretty faulty character from since the beginning, and even if you could sympathize with his upbringing and the discrimination that he had to put up with for all of 5 years of his life when he crash landed on Vers, or cheer for the fact that he used to have such an obsession to protect Asseylum despite that not being his job, you cannot justify any of the actions that he's done from since pretty much the mid point of season 1 when he started his own downfall by shooting up Inaho's Kat and siding with Saazbaum. Up until now he hasn't shown himself to have any higher-level ideals, and all his actions scream selfishness in them. There's a reason why he's lying to the second princess, it's cause she is nothing but a tool for him to accomplish his selfish ideals. He doesn't give a shit about her. He rose in the ranks of Vers because he proved he could commit genocide on his own people, who have seriously done nothing to him, and he has no remorse for doing what he'd done up until now. He doesn't give two shits about them either. Especially damning is the fact that all of the situations that Slaine has ended up in were all due to his initial selfish desire to find the princess to be by her side. That is his only desire, his one-sided love for this Hime who will soon enough be spitting bullets in his face for the things that he's done. All this argument about Slaine having to run away if Saazbaum was killed in episode 12 is pure idiocy. Slaine knew that Inaho had information on the whereabouts of Asseylum, if not the fact that Inaho was with the Princess. From the broadcasts that Asseylum had made previously, he would also have known that Asseylum had wanted the war to stop, hence that she was working with the UFE to do so. It took him and Inaho just a few words just to recognize one another. Thus in that 3 way situation, had Inaho first shot up Saazbaum, his best option then and there would have been to throw down his weapons and scream surrender. He could have claimed to know Asseylum and had sufficient details in his story to back up his claim. Asseylum would have undoubtedly bargained for his release (or did he have so little faith in his own Hime-sama?). He has a friggin mouth to explain himself, and Asseylum could have vouched for him after seeing even a picture of him in any interrogation report that would have come out after his arrest. Heck, on retrospect, the moment he saw Saazbaum aim at Asseylum, he could have put a bullet in his head. Then, given he was the one to shoot up Saazbaum, and also had the chances to do so before Saazbaum shot Asseylum, it would have been easy as of that moment for him to be portrayed as the Vers traitor who ended the invasion, had he been smart enough to think about that. He would have been heralded as a hero to the UFE and possibly to Vers as well for saving the princess and ending the meaningless war. The only reason I can think of regarding why he would figure that the UFE's wouldn't trust him would be that he'd previously shot at Inaho first in that stand-off, otherwise any normal person weighing pros and cons of that situation would have taken the sensible route. Seriously, had Slaine not been the stupid, indecisive and unthinking guy he was, he would have never ended up as the last boss, and things would probably have been wrapped up with an episode 13. I guess it's thanks to his stupidity that we now have a full second season to watch how his life and sanity unfolds. |
L-RyoshiFeb 22, 2015 12:41 PM
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kymano said: Darklight0303 said: Inaho didn't even see Slaine there until he tackled Inaho off of Sazbaum. Slaine could have easily moved on to find the princess but he didn't. Is your memory seriously that faulty? Slaine didnt know where to look for that princess, but he did pick up Saazbaum's reading and followed him to there, the incident where all 3 bust through the wall where the princess is , i find that to be a coincidence but whatever. After the incident ,it was clear that Slaine was going for Saazbaum to try to stop him that is until he heard the princess's cry for Inaho. As Slaine could react Saazbaum shot the princess which left Slaine in shock and shot Saazbaum in retalition.Again he has no idea who Inaho was but still under the impression that Inaho is a threat and shot him. Alright lets choose the route if Inaho killed Saazbaum, what would Slaine do? What if Slaine chose to run away from Inaho, where would he go, Saazbaum death would have shut off the entire Landing Castle leading more UFE soldiers to full assualt and Slaine would have been captured. Again what if Slaine surrendered , Inaho doesnt know Slaine, Inaho would just see a Martian soldier and would not want him to get any close to the princess. So in any options things werent looking good for Slaine there. Are you stupid? First off Slaine knew that the princess was on the giant ship. The same giant ship that was now impaled into Sazbaum's castle after he downed it. He had more than a big lead to walk by and look for the princess and the moment he found her, she would have cleared things up immediately and he would not have had to run away. How delusional are you to make things up to justify that idiot's actions. |
| Does anybody know whether this is unique to this subforum or the Japanese fans also go over the same couple of scenes again and again? It seemed to me that Animesuki A.Z subforum was less toxic, when I visited it last time, but I may have missed something, of course. |
NintensityCrowds said: Aww look someone needs attention |
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kymano said: Darklight0303 said: Are you stupid? First off Slaine knew that the princess was on the giant ship. The same giant ship that was now impaled into Sazbaum's castle after he downed it. He had more than a big lead to walk by and look for the princess and the moment he found her, she would have cleared things up immediately and he would not have had to run away. How delusional are you to make things up to justify that idiot's actions. Im not justifying Slaine per say, i am only make obvious statements regarding the event that took place then,Slaine's target was either Saazbaum or the princess and it seemed he found Saazbaum first. After stopping Inaho from killing Saazbaum. .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp6W34yAj98 As you see there he was looking for Saazbaum and not the princess so the princess part was just coincidence. It makes no sense for him to look for Sazbaum since he was the BIGGEST known threat to the Princess' very life. His decision is still unbelievably retarded |
kymano said: Because Slaine was too stupid and naive to even believe he could change Saazbaum to consider not killing princess at that time. Sadly that failed, it seems that it is difficult to negotiate with Counts because Counts rather to have their own way. Anyone with a functioning brain could tell you that about the counts after speaking to them only once. For someone who was around the knights for years he sure as hell acted like it was his first time dealing with them. |
Darklight0303Feb 22, 2015 2:01 PM
Damaera said: jesus fucking christ you guys take fiction way too seriously fix'd |
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| Guys, could you, please, start to edit quotes? The thread is ugly and unreadable. |
kymano said: Darklight0303 said: Anyone with a functioning brain could tell you that about the counts after speaking to them only once. For someone who was around the knights for years he sure as hell acted like it was his first time dealing with them. Well Slaine can accept his stupidity but Asseylum on the other hand is as stupid as well and thats what i think worries Slaine. a dumb princess who has grown sheltered and fails to connect with her own people will make a teribble Empress who will be played by Counts. Thats why Counts have began a liking for Slaine because Slaine finally speaks their language. No the counts take a liking to him because he has the fake Princess backing him. |
| Darklight is still here proclaiming his hate for Slaine. |
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| O MG this episode. |
| Whoever was the person in last episodes thread that said: "Wait for princess to wake up without memories", I fracking salute you. |
| I don't know why this show gets a bad wrap. I think it's pretty cleverly written. The only thing I have against it is I do find Slaine's "rise to power" considering the mentality of Vers seems a bit rushed. He goes from essentially ordinary kid to crown prince in less than two years and everyone in the Vers Empire is accepting of that? That aspect of it doesn't seem right. Although, I'll give a lot of props to the writing of Slaine's character. He's actually downright brilliant. |
nina4life said: Whoever was the person in last episodes thread that said: "Wait for princess to wake up without memories", I fracking salute you. You are surprised by that? I thought most people would call that shit. That trope is just so overused in everything. |
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Toucanbird said: I don't know why this show gets a bad wrap. I think it's pretty cleverly written. The only thing I have against it is I do find Slaine's "rise to power" considering the mentality of Vers seems a bit rushed. He goes from essentially ordinary kid to crown prince in less than two years and everyone in the Vers Empire is accepting of that? That aspect of it doesn't seem right. Although, I'll give a lot of props to the writing of Slaine's character. He's actually downright brilliant. Well I don't think the normal soldiers would give a fuck about that really, the only people who would would be the Counts and they can't do anything cause of Princess pinky and if someone challenged him he would end up like Curly |
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