| Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, One Outs. I think I still have some more, gotta add some when I remember. Basically, these three shows attempted to look smart and complex with some psychological/brain-using battle but failed (at least to me). When I watched them, I always thought, "Why can't this X character figure it out?!" It's not a problem if they are your 'simple' shows when the casts are idiot or/and not heavily rely on the strategy part. But... they aren't right? For example, One Outs, most of people don't even have the same intelligence as average human. They have to be clueless and dumb so Tokuchi looks like a genius. |
Champloo_Remix said: caperock said: Shows can only be as deep as the watcher. DING DING DING DING DING We have a winner! caperock for president!!! Give this man an Oscar or sth... |
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wanderingplayboy said: Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, One Outs. I think I still have some more, gotta add some when I remember. Basically, these three shows attempted to look smart and complex with some psychological/brain-using battle but failed (at least to me). When I watched them, I always thought, "Why can't this X character figure it out?!" It's not a problem if they are your 'simple' shows when the casts are idiot or/and not heavily rely on the strategy part. But... they aren't right? For example, One Outs, most of people don't even have the same intelligence as average human. They have to be clueless and dumb so Tokuchi looks like a genius. I agree to a certain extent. Most of the time they give narration to fights that should be pretty much common sense to make some character look like they are the most intelligent person in the world. "Oh he dodged that attack instead of letting it hit him? Ooooh he must be so intelligent...I wouldn't think to dodge something that could potentially kill me. Brilliant!" |
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RedRoseFring said: wanderingplayboy said: Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, One Outs. I think I still have some more, gotta add some when I remember. Basically, these three shows attempted to look smart and complex with some psychological/brain-using battle but failed (at least to me). When I watched them, I always thought, "Why can't this X character figure it out?!" It's not a problem if they are your 'simple' shows when the casts are idiot or/and not heavily rely on the strategy part. But... they aren't right? For example, One Outs, most of people don't even have the same intelligence as average human. They have to be clueless and dumb so Tokuchi looks like a genius. I agree to a certain extent. Most of the time they give narration to fights that should be pretty much common sense to make some character look like they are the most intelligent person in the world. "Oh he dodged that attack instead of letting it hit him? Ooooh he must be so intelligent...I wouldn't think to dodge something that could potentially kill me. Brilliant!" Many shounen series are like that. As the viewer of a show, we have the ability to know all sides of the series we're watching. Therefore it makes the characters reactions to certain situations idiotic. This in turn makes a show one may think is intellectual less appealing, even more so after watching a second time around. One series I thought did things well was utawarerumono. Was it intelligent? One can argue against the idea. Since it was stated already that this is more or less dealing with opinions (like most things) one's opinion is trivial in the matter of it not mattering even though related to this topic. At least from my perspective, seeing as how I hold a differing one from the many others posting in this thread. It's nice to see discussion though. |
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| I read the rules and there was no inclusion on necro-posting but the following: Necroing threads without initiating new discussion So, I would add: Zetsuen no Tempest The shakespeare references felt less like an homage and more like a preachy shounen rehash with some semi-interesting plot twist. Noein: Mou Hitori no Kimi e Quantum experiments are horribly explained, the entire world is extremely loosely based around a vague concept, the multi-verse explanations... I think this candidate is probably the worst case of it I've seen; only perhaps the Aliciazation arc of Sword Art Online LNs with Kirito explaining digital crap does it appear bested for the title. Despite how mediocre that is, if you can shut your brain off (hint) then it's overall above average-ish. = = = = I also agree that pseudo-intellectualism is a mostly contrived sense, as works of fiction will not have all the knowledge from all the world to generate believable, perfect explanations for every aspect of existence. The only element in this "genre" of discussion that appeals to me is eliminating those who add nothing to discussion, and attempt to skirt criticism by faking a namesake of high brow artistic license. |
| How do people get to 2000 hours when I'm already this bored? |
| I just like the word jargon |
Immahnoob said: They say Jesus walked on water. People are made out of 79% water. I can walk on people. So I am 79% Jesus. Sourire said: I once fucked an apple pie. |
Kolnikov said: I would like to attack FLCL, and explain why is so fucking pretentious. But the thing is: I was completely lost while watching that shit, no clue what was going on. And I don't know why people love it. As someone who loves the show as it is the series that got me interested in the medium beyond Toonami, I love it because its a blend of wacky over the top comedy and poignant points about growing up. Underneath all of this is a really straight forward coming of age story as well of a story of boy meets girl, which is definitely a part of growing up. Also I wouldn't say its pretentious at all, quite the opposite, the director, Kazuya Tsurumaki, wanted the message to be that its ok be stupid and that's what FLCL is, stupid fun. He felt that Eva was a show for "smart people" and he wanted to get away from that and make something outrageous and wacky. |
TheArchangels said: Mecha talk is charming, you take that back.I just like the word jargon. |
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| Any anime having to do with the virtual world |
| I've got to disagree with OP on Steins;Gate. The fact that they have the means to initiate time travel is something I believe almost anyone would use for one reason or another. It's a phenomenon anyone would be allured to test. I do agree that allowing Feris to just send a text without checking it because it's rude to impede on a girl's privacy was ridiculous. I think it was simply because Okabe starts off in the series as just a guy who wants some friends as seen with how easily he is to trust characters he just met such as Moeka. The whole story revolves around time travel, so I believe it would be kind of silly if there weren't any serious consequences involved with their actions due to being overly cautious on the account of having extensive knowledge concerning time travel. We also see how Okabe is in fact reluctant to perform time leaps as the story progresses, but he still goes on with it probably because of this intrigue behind time travel. |
Kolnikov said: I would like to attack FLCL, and explain why is so fucking pretentious. But the thing is: I was completely lost while watching that shit, no clue what was going on. And I don't know why people love it. But....but....dick jokes. It's all one big dick joke. |
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wanderingplayboy said: Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, One Outs. I think I still have some more, gotta add some when I remember. Basically, these three shows attempted to look smart and complex with some psychological/brain-using battle but failed (at least to me). When I watched them, I always thought, "Why can't this X character figure it out?!" It's not a problem if they are your 'simple' shows when the casts are idiot or/and not heavily rely on the strategy part. But... they aren't right? For example, One Outs, most of people don't even have the same intelligence as average human. They have to be clueless and dumb so Tokuchi looks like a genius. I agree with One Outs. |
wanderingplayboy said: Hunter x Hunter I think I still have some more, gotta add some when I remember. Basically, these three shows attempted to look smart and complex with some psychological/brain-using battle but failed (at least to me). I havent come across anything pseudo intellectual in HxH, in fact the narrator explains everything and its pretty easy to follow |
| Where to start? Anything by Gen Urobuchi Sword Art Online, No Game No Life & pretty much every other 'trapped in a game' anime except for .hack//sign Code Geass R2 Steins;Gate - Don't even get me started on this, I'll obliterate it if I have to. Death Note - A bit The last 3 episodes of Evanjellyon Zankyou no Terror |
| The self appointed critics of MAL who are really just untrained manchildren and haven't received a proper education in the art of critical thinking. Not understanding something 100% =/= pretentious. It reminds me of when MAL was hounding Zankyou no Terror for its Oedipus Rex references. As someone who has properly studied the play, I can say that ZnT's use of it is beyond madly accurate and well played. |
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| Its not like most anime that could be considered that, pretend to be something. Its the fans that pretend those shows are actually intelectual. Serial experiments lain Evangelion LOGH requiem for the phantom (?) Madoka Those are off the top of my head. There are more. |
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| Pseudo-intellectual: "I'm too dumb to get it" |
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Ratohnhaketon said: The self appointed critics of MAL who are really just untrained manchildren and haven't received a proper education in the art of critical thinking. Not understanding something 100% =/= pretentious. It reminds me of when MAL was hounding Zankyou no Terror for its Oedipus Rex references. As someone who has properly studied the play, I can say that ZnT's use of it is beyond madly accurate and well played. I'm not going to pretend I know as much as you do on the matter, but you'll have to excuse me for not seeing what's so wildly accurate about the Oedipus Rex comparisons. Oedipus is hubristic. His lack of respect is what ultimately leads to his destruction by the hands of the Gods; not only does he find out an unbearable truth (that he killed his own father in cold blood and took his mother for a wife) but he also has to come to terms with the suicide of his mother/wife, acknowledge that his children will die in tragedy, and and shamefully abandons his kingdom as a result. He even blinds himself upon discovering Jocasta's corpse because the truth was too miserable to witness. There’s a difference between a king's path to self-discovery/destruction and watching a scraggly investigator doing his job. You could compare the strong desire to uncover the truth between the two, but that doesn't quite justify all the time spent on the subject. |
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marriage said: wanderingplayboy said: Hunter x Hunter I think I still have some more, gotta add some when I remember. Basically, these three shows attempted to look smart and complex with some psychological/brain-using battle but failed (at least to me). I havent come across anything pseudo intellectual in HxH, in fact the narrator explains everything and its pretty easy to follow The fight against the guy with the candles was pure cringe. |
Kolnikov said: I would like to attack FLCL, and explain why is so fucking pretentious. But the thing is: I was completely lost while watching that shit, no clue what was going on. And I don't know why people love it. MAL really love to use the word "pretentious", huh? FLCL does not try to be intellectual, nor hold cultural significance. It doesn't try to impress you by standing as a 2deep4u series in anyway. In a nutshell, it's simply a carefree story. As Feaor guy said, it's not supposed to be over-analyzed and there's no intricate meaning to be extracted from it, so how can it be pseudo-intellectual or pretentious? As for your thoughts on EVA, you got it half right. The rebuilds indeed lost the original series' psychiatric side and is close to a bland fighting shounen. But, no, its purpose is not to retell the story (pleonasm) or give a "better" explanation -assuming one is needed-. It's just GAINAX milking a money cow to oblivion. |
gedata said: When I get to a comp with a working keyboard I'll expand but for now let's also say there's a difference between what you did and some random self important one liner like "this is just pretentious hogwash that uses random mythology to look intelligent." Not to completely defend ZnT though, but when people unfamiliar with something's references and inspiration try to look smart it backfires.Ratohnhaketon said: The self appointed critics of MAL who are really just untrained manchildren and haven't received a proper education in the art of critical thinking. Not understanding something 100% =/= pretentious. It reminds me of when MAL was hounding Zankyou no Terror for its Oedipus Rex references. As someone who has properly studied the play, I can say that ZnT's use of it is beyond madly accurate and well played. I'm not going to pretend I know as much as you do on the matter, but you'll have to excuse me for not seeing what's so wildly accurate about the Oedipus Rex comparisons. Oedipus is hubristic. His lack of respect is what ultimately leads to his destruction by the hands of the Gods; not only does he find out an unbearable truth (that he killed his own father in cold blood and took his mother for a wife) but he also has to come to terms with the suicide of his mother/wife, acknowledge that his children will die in tragedy, and and shamefully abandons his kingdom as a result. He even blinds himself upon discovering Jocasta's corpse because the truth was too miserable to witness. There’s a difference between a king's path to self-discovery/destruction and watching a scraggly investigator doing his job. You could compare the strong desire to uncover the truth between the two, but that doesn't quite justify all the time spent on the subject. |
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| Death Note and the Urobutcher. Do I really need to say more, lel. |
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| Lol people really go all mental in these type of threads. Hunter x Hunter pseudo-intellectual? Wtf? That makes every single anime pseudo-intellectual because most of anime are fantasy. This is just another overrated anime thread where topic derails and people are talking about pretencious --> then just random stuff. |
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Red_Keys said: Exactly.What makes a show "intelligent"? You could argue that a lot of sic-fi shows (Elfen Lied, Steins Gate) aren't trying to be "intelligent". They're trying to just be entertaining, and use pseudo-science as a method to enable the story they want to tell. (Keep in mind that I haven't seen either). I mean, take Jurassic Park. It is sic-fi, heavily centered around pseudo-science. I mean, the entire process the dinosaurs are created is not even possible, and on top of that, there's anatomical and functional flaws with the dinosaurs themselves when compared to the actual animals. (Velociraptors had feathers, they were much smaller, their heads were shaped differently, their wrist and finger structure is wrong, etc). But, the point of the story isn't to try and write a documentary on dinosaurs. The author acknowledges himself that, yes, he took some creative liberty and basically pulled some stuff out of his ass to make the story more interesting (like dilophosaurus spitting poison). The point of the story is to be a compelling sic-fi thriller. There are however some legitimate themes that Jurassic Park brings up, such as various theories about evolution, morality, tampering with nature, chaos theory, etc., but those really aren't the main point of the story either. What I'm getting at is that you shouldn't say something is pseudo-"intellectual" if it isn't trying to be something intellectual in the first place. |
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Rakaxo said: Most of the people here just post anime they didn't get. Most of the people here just post the thing you just said over and over ^ |
| How do people get to 2000 hours when I'm already this bored? |
robis798 said: Lol people really go all mental in these type of threads. Hunter x Hunter pseudo-intellectual? Wtf? That makes every single anime pseudo-intellectual because most of anime are fantasy. This is just another overrated anime thread where topic derails and people are talking about pretencious --> then just random stuff. |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| Definitely Sexy Commando |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Rakaxo said: Crimefridge said: Most of the people here just post the thing you just said over and over ^ What did i say over and over? What did he say you said over and over? |
| There are plenty of shows that are offensively stupid and poorly written, but none of them try to be anything more than entertainment. At least, as far as I have seen. I guess maybe Sky Crawlers unless someone wants to explain its genius to me. |
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| Most of the time, these buzzwords like "pretentious" or "pseudo-intellectual" are used when people didn't understand a show and felt insecure about their intelligence or general knowledge and thus decide to spout it to feel better. I will thus refrain from naming any anime here. |
| Pseudo-intellectual as in what? As in MAL's i don't get it/i don't like it pseudo-intellectual? Or as in trying to be smart pseudo-intellectual? |
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