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Again, just dumb conformism on your behalf. I keep watching anime and will keep watching because tons of other shows do not rely on such cheap padding tricks. There's nothing to stop me from criticizing those shows who go for the low hanging fruit with unimaginative storyboards. davidyodo24 said: There are no point to discuss it... Then you shouldn't have jumped into a conversation with nothing more than using your low bar conformist standards as some sort of rebutal. |
Kimurah said: this episode is a big "boo hoo poor psychopath Zeke had a though childhood" kind of flashback to impact the easy to sway kind of people. Much of it was that yes. But this episodes also serves the purpose of explaining his motifs along with his goal. And i'm not sure which was the priority. But even if the priority was to make the viewers/readers sympathize with him, the goal of it might be different than what you think. The reason why they want you to sympathize with him. And that is also definitely something that can retrospectively make this better, don't you think? |
Xilver said: Kimurah said: this episode is a big "boo hoo poor psychopath Zeke had a though childhood" kind of flashback to impact the easy to sway kind of people. Much of it was that yes. But this episodes also serves the purpose of explaining his motifs along with his goal. And i'm not sure which was the priority. But even if the priority was to make the viewers/readers sympathize with him, the goal of it might be different than what you think. The reason why they want you to sympathize with him. And that is also definitely something that can retrospectively make this better, don't you think? I'm up for explaning an antagonist motivation for his/her actions. But not when it's presented in such a romantiziced and awfully cliched way on a deathbead just to shift the audience. |
Kimurah said: Again, just dumb conformism on your behalf. I keep watching anime and will keep watching because tons of other shows do not rely on such cheap padding tricks. There's nothing to stop me from criticizing those shows who go for the low hanging fruit with unimaginative storyboards. davidyodo24 said: There are no point to discuss it... Then you shouldn't have jumped into a conversation with nothing more than using your low bar conformist standards as some sort of rebutal. Wow.. okay whatever... Oh yeah I'm curious what Anime that you said not rely on this "cheap padding tricks"? Can you name one Action Shounen Anime that didn't have this? |
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| how one of the top title have glaring plot hole lmao. Some 6 scored title are better than this shit honestly. |
 MAL score and most user-based rating system are all joke, Imagine trusting plebs and hivemind. Find users who have good sense and rating and use them as a reference. Check my guide to rate Your taste is trash. Cope, seethe, mald |
evoniee said: how one of the top title have glaring plot hole lmao. Some 6 scored title are better than this shit honestly. what plot hole are you trying to make up? |
| That was amazing, that was a perfect fucking episode. Zeke's backstory hits hard, it's just a fucking cycle. Grisha got manipulated by his parents, then Grisha tried to use Zeke for his plans. I mean Grisha and Zeke were doing it for the greater good, but damn they're both wrong as well. I was basically Ksaver when he was having a meltdown knowing Zeke had restorationist parents, being all fucked in the head with all these morally gray shit, it's fantastic. Damn, Levi and Zeke went kaboom R.I.P. I really hope they immediately announce a part 2 or movie or something, but preferably a part 2, cause a movie ain't enough for the remaining chapters. Really looking forward to the last episode, Heaven and Earth is an awesome title for the last episode. Voice actors also did a fantastic job this episode like damn, also is Daiki Yamashita young zeke's VA, he sounds like him. |
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davidyodo24 said: Kimurah said: Again, just dumb conformism on your behalf. I keep watching anime and will keep watching because tons of other shows do not rely on such cheap padding tricks. There's nothing to stop me from criticizing those shows who go for the low hanging fruit with unimaginative storyboards. Then you shouldn't have jumped into a conversation with nothing more than using your low bar conformist standards as some sort of rebutal. Wow.. okay whatever... Oh yeah I'm curious what Anime that you said not rely on this "cheap padding tricks"? It would require me to look into my library to come up with several titles. But you already stablished a couple of posts ago that you were done with this conversation. Also you're not important nor interesting enough for me to waste time to catter your demand that will end up in your hollow conformism as a petty retort. Kimurah said: davidyodo24 said: Well it is what it is... I mean it made the scene much impactful... Almost every anime does this kind of Storytelling, if you still hate it idk why you still watching Anime... Yeah, doesn't strike me as odd people like you come up with cheap conformist defenses "eVeRY OTheR ANimE doES iT tOO" I have watched anime for literally decades, but only cheap shonen shows like these overuse flashbacks for padding purpouses. But we already talked about shonen titles being derivative derek, why are you asking me to name shonen titles that do not abuse of flashbacks? |
KimurahMar 22, 2021 9:31 AM
Kimurah said: davidyodo24 said: Wow.. okay whatever... Oh yeah I'm curious what Anime that you said not rely on this "cheap padding tricks"? It would require me to look into my library to come up with several titles. But you already stablished a couple of posts ago that you were done with this conversation. Also you're not important nor interesting enough for me to waste time to catter your demand that will end up in just hollow conformism on your behalf. Kimurah said: I hate the overuse of flashbacks to stall the main story, specially when used in the most common way with a character death or false death. Well it is what it is... I mean it made the scene much impactful... Almost every anime does this kind of Storytelling, if you still hate it idk why you still watching Anime... Yeah, doesn't strike me as odd people like you come up with cheap conformist defenses "eVeRY OTheR ANimE doES iT tOO" I have watched anime for literally decades, but only cheap shonen shows like these overuse flashbacks for padding purpouses.[/quote] But we already talked about shonen titles being derivative, why are you asking me to name shonen titles that do not abuse of flashbacks? [/quote] Okay... Then why would you still watching shounen Anime if you hate this "tricks"? I can't understand someone watching something that they hate... I mean you watching Anime for Decades already, maybe you can give me an answer... |
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| Very enjoyable episode. For some reason I was always intimidated by Zeke so it was nice to see a little bit of his backstory. |
Kimurah said: I hate the overuse of flashbacks to stall the main story, specially when used in the most common way with a character death or false death. Bullshit, the part I mark in bold is not common at all and you know it, but you probably realize the possibility of Zeke being alive and you don't want to look like an idiot next week so you add that part, but we all know that ain't common and that is the opposite of what you have been arguing about. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 Oh so now you are changing up your words, now false death is included? Because base off what you have been saying snk is following the cliche of shounen anime of giving a character a sad backstory right before they die correct? So if the character does survive wouldn't that be subverting your expectation and also means that snk is going against the cliche you despise so much? So including false death in it is contradicting to your entire argument as that goes against what you have been arguing about. Sounds to me like you are backpedaling and realize that if Zeke turns out to be alive in the next episode your comment here will age badly. Nothing wrong if it turns out you were wrong and that the series has subverted your expectation. But you seem to have a lot of pride in yourself to admit you were wrong if it turns out to be the case. @davidyodo24 stop wasting your time, the fact of the matter is we don't know if Zeke and Levi is dead yet, so him and assuming Zeke is dead and snk is following the old cliche of giving characters sad backstory before they die is pure speculation and a risky one at that from him. If I was in his shoes I would wait for confirmation before I shit on the series calling it cliche, especially when the series has done a few fake death scenerios in the past as well, I would be cautious to jump to that conclusion. |
keragammingMar 22, 2021 10:32 AM
FateMadMan said: apolorix said: Bro its called being traumatized not rationalize, he personally feels bad for existing with his people that's why he wanted to that lmoazeke's plan is so ridiculous it's almost funny LMAO "for nobody to suffer like i did because of my daddy issues, i'll take away the possibility of offspring from a whole race" dude, what????? apart from ridiculous, his plan is ignoring the real problem. if nobody deserves to live in a fucked up world, you CHANGE THE WORLD, not try to ERADICATE a WHOLE RACE, jfc i'm a anime-watcher only, and i feel like eren is deceiving and using zeke. if it turns out i'm wrong i'm gonna be so disappointed (but i don't think i'm wrong) bro i understand that omg i know what trauma is and what it does to people I'm not an idiot. that does not make him right, his plan is still fucked up even if i can sympathize with why he feels like that. trauma messes ppl up but it does not give them the green light to do whatever they want |
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nexuro01 said: Even tho i think MAPPA fucked up by releasing this season way too fast (should have taken at least half a year more for 2D titans and shit) i still gotta praise them for the little details like that ram in the background during Xavier breakdown scene. This is one of the things that only manga readers will get or somebody going for a rewatch after finishing the series. There were hardly any titans in this season. I have to say there were indeed a few moments I did not like (mainly cart titan), but honestly nothing major. I assume they will fix most od the CGI problems, as everything else looked good to me. |
apolorix said: I mean I like people believing in their philosophy and what actions they take even if i disagree with themFateMadMan said: Bro its called being traumatized not rationalize, he personally feels bad for existing with his people that's why he wanted to that lmoa bro i understand that omg i know what trauma is and what it does to people I'm not an idiot. that does not make him right, his plan is still fucked up even if i can sympathize with why he feels like that. trauma messes ppl up but it does not give them the green light to do whatever they want |
FateMadMan said: apolorix said: I mean I like people believing in their philosophy and what actions they take even if i disagree with thembro i understand that omg i know what trauma is and what it does to people I'm not an idiot. that does not make him right, his plan is still fucked up even if i can sympathize with why he feels like that. trauma messes ppl up but it does not give them the green light to do whatever they want and that's perfectly fine, even if don't always agree with that |
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keragamming said: Kimurah said: I hate the overuse of flashbacks to stall the main story, specially when used in the most common way with a character death or false death. Bullshit, the part I mark in bold is not common at all and you know it, but you probably realize the possibility of Zeke being alive and you don't want to look like an idiot next week so you add that part, but we all know that ain't common and that is the opposite of what you have been arguing about. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 Oh so now you are changing up your words, now false death is included? Because base off what you have been saying snk is following the cliche of shounen anime of giving a character a sad backstory right before they die correct? So if the character does survive wouldn't that be subverting your expectation and also means that snk is going against the cliche you despise so much? So including false death in it is contradicting to your entire argument as that goes against what you have been arguing about. Sounds to me like you are backpedaling and realize that if Zeke turns out to be alive in the next episode your comment here will age badly. Nothing wrong if it turns out you were wrong and that the series has subverted your expectation. But you seem to have a lot of pride in yourself to admit you were wrong if it turns out to be the case. @davidyodo24 stop wasting your time, the fact of the matter is we don't know if Zeke and Levi is dead yet, so him and assuming Zeke is dead and snk is following the old cliche of giving characters sad backstory before they die is pure speculation and a risky one at that from him. If I was in his shoes I would wait for confirmation before I shit on the series calling it cliche, especially when the series has done a few fake death scenerios in the past as well, I would be cautious to jump to that conclusion. Yeah no worries, i know that... Btw Thanks for the words.. |
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apolorix said: That's fair enough for thisFateMadMan said: I mean I like people believing in their philosophy and what actions they take even if i disagree with them and that's perfectly fine, even if don't always agree with that |
| Very nice episode, we get to a lot more of Zeke's background and give more depth for us into his ideals and such, lacking in action but very informative which is never a bad thing. Turns out, Zeke wasn't so bad after all. |
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The penultimate episode of the first half Season 4... I'm expecting something big.
I didn't really want a flashback right now, but this episode ended up being one of the best ones in the entire season. I loved getting some more lore on Zeke, made me like him a lot more as a character. Which is why I'm really bummed out by that ending where they made it seem like he died. But as I said in the previous episode, I don't trust offscreen deaths. What if Levi saved Zeke at the end, sacrificing himself? It looked like that may have happened but if so, why? Why would he do that for Zeke, when he detests him so much? |
| Great episode! Mappa did great animating zekes backstory as well as the thunder spear explosion at the end! |
| Grisha is the worst character, unironically. |
| SNK proves time and again that it's not only the best anime of all time, but it revolutionizes anime and brings it to audiences, making it more respectable by the masses. |
| End Zionazism |
BigBadonkerTrap said: Malthus said: "Can't suffer if you just kill yourself" Series was going good until they introduced this brainlet level shit. What a joke. It's nihilist anti-natalism instead of suicidal emo lol Doesn't change the fact that it's still a retarded idea that makes no sense in the context of the situation. |
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| Well... Grisha certainly didn't do a very good job with Zeke. I expected him to be a better father than that, a real shame it is. I certainly hope Eren is just trying to use Zeke though, that's a horrible plan. Instead of giving freedom to the Eldians, he's taking it away from them by removing the choice to give birth. Only one episode left, but I can already say this is the weakest season by far. |
| Zeke was my 3rd favorite character of the show. Now he might be no.1... Honestly I feel so very sorry for him and can relate to him pretty well |
| I'm surprised that they actually did a good job this episode. I like MAPPA because they're capable of making this amazing kind of animation, which they annoyingly avoided most of this season. The rain at the end was awesome! Also, I liked the way they had a burning horse. The death of an innocent animal really helps to sell the feeling of desperation. |
| Wow so many things happened in that flashback... But I can't believe next episode is the last one already :C |
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MPanah said: You proved yourself wrong by including the percentages, a similar percentage of each do it to each series. This is not as bad as you are making it out to be. The amount of people who gave the episodes fives speaks volumes to how good the episode really was. At the end of the day as i said this is MAL do not be surprised when people rate episodes low out the get go because people dislike certain series and care way too much on this platform about arbitrary rankings(see FMAB vs. AOT fans fight for #1). This platform is a shit show and take low ratings without proper explanation with a grain of salt.TheAntithesis said: Happens to Re;Zero S2 p2 every week. This is nothing new but more popular anime obviously see it more. What do you expect this is MAL. True ... but this has not happened to any anime as much as aot! I mean for example 80 people gave 1/5 to episode 5 of Final Season (1.85%) While 21 people gave 1/5 to episode 10 of re zero s2 p2! (1.00% ) |
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jadoresox said: So Zeke decided to exterminate the eldian race because his father didn't play catch with him and Eren appears to be fully on board. Going to take a lot to salvage the plot from here. Maybe pre Evangelion this edgy nihilism would have been considered cool but they're just generic bad guys at this point. Did we watch the same episode? how did you come to that conclusion? Where did it show that Zeke hate his race? His father playing Catch with him has nothing to do with his motive, his motive lies with the hate he and his parents and all Eldians has experience throughout there life and his adapted father that wish he was never born into this world. I don't agree with his plans its fucking dumb! but clearly in his point of view he is saving his race from this pain and suffering, in his mind he is doing good. Euthanasia - Euthanasia is the practice of intentionally ending a life to relieve pain and suffering. "Dad didn't play catch with me so I'm going to kill everyone!" Like how did you come up with that type of conclusion? |
keragammingMar 22, 2021 8:12 PM
| Without a doubt the best episode of this season. That last scene made me gasp. |
davidyodo24 said: Okay... Then why would you still watching shounen Anime if you hate this "tricks"? I can't understand someone watching something that they hate... I mean you watching Anime for Decades already, maybe you can give me an answer... Because I can do with my time whatever the heck I want and I don't need to justify to some random nobody on the internet what I do with my time. As simple as that. |
Kimurah said: davidyodo24 said: Okay... Then why would you still watching shounen Anime if you hate this "tricks"? I can't understand someone watching something that they hate... I mean you watching Anime for Decades already, maybe you can give me an answer... Because I can do with my time whatever the heck I want and I don't need to justify to some random nobody on the internet what I do with my time. As simple as that. Okay that's sounds like hypocrite... Well the answer was exactly what I'm expecting... Alright, Thanks... |
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keragamming said: Kimurah said: I hate the overuse of flashbacks to stall the main story, specially when used in the most common way with a character death or false death. Bullshit, the part I mark in bold is not common at all and you know it, but you probably realize the possibility of Zeke being alive and you don't want to look like an idiot next week so you add that part, but we all know that ain't common and that is the opposite of what you have been arguing about. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 I'm sorry, I wasn't informed that I was being questioned by the AOT police and it's brigade of salty fanboys. My bad, I just forgot to mention the posibility of Zeke's false death in my reply (like plenty of cheap shonen titles do), that's all. It won't happen again. Also, your abuse of emojis, I can't tell if it's just cringe or just plain butthurt and petty childish lashback. And regarding wheter it's common trope or not, I'm just speaking on behalf of my experience, that's all. keragamming said: Oh so now you are changing up your words, now false death is included? Because base off what you have been saying snk is following the cliche of shounen anime of giving a character a sad backstory right before they die correct? So if the character does survive wouldn't that be subverting your expectation and also means that snk is going against the cliche you despise so much? Both outcomes are the same cheap excuse to latch on such an overused trope of a lenghty flashback before reaching death or a false death. If it makes you feel any better or less annoyed and butthurt, other genres and demographics do it too (my bad for stating that only cheap shonen does it). I just watched B: The Beginning S2 episode 4 and we had a pretty similar outcome, wich wasn't pleaseant on my behalf. And also, I didn't change my original statement, as I mentioned, I forgot to add it to my previous post, wich wasn't even directed at you, yet you felt so butthurt and enraged that you needed to lash back at me. Such a pittyful comeback, but not like I expected any better from hardcore fanboys. keragamming said: So including false death in it is contradicting to your entire argument as that goes against what you have been arguing about. It's not a contradiction. Both outcomes are exactly two sides of a coin. You're just making excuses to bark at the wrong tree. keragamming said: Sounds to me like you are backpedaling and realize that if Zeke turns out to be alive in the next episode your comment here will age badly. Think whatever you want, nothing I say will change your angry state towards my appended statement that again, it wasn't even directed at you. keragamming said: Nothing wrong if it turns out you were wrong and that the series has subverted your expectation. But you seem to have a lot of pride in yourself to admit you were wrong if it turns out to be the case. Me being right or wrong about Zeke's death is inconsecuential. My only point was to express my disgust to a very common trope (in my experience). You said it yourself that it was just a preference. You even edited your post and added extra information, yet I didn't call you back for having a change of heart, yet here you are acusing me of backpedaling when I'm not even changing my original statement. keragamming said: @davidyodo24 stop wasting your time, the fact of the matter is we don't know if Zeke and Levi is dead yet, so him and assuming Zeke is dead and snk is following the old cliche of giving characters sad backstory before they die is pure speculation and a risky one at that from him. Exactly, it's pure speculation. Color me surprised for people crafting their own theories on what's supposed to be a thriller show. keragamming said: If I was in his shoes I would wait for confirmation before I shit on the series calling it cliche, especially when the series has done a few fake death scenerios in the past as well, I would be cautious to jump to that conclusion. But you're not me and I'm not you. We all have our different ways to consume media, some of us will speculate before hand, and if the prediction fails at the end, well that's that, no harm done. Sounds to me that you're the typical pushy guy that expects everyone else to abide by your own rules and policies, and I'm sorry to break it to you kid, but that's not how the world works. davidyodo24 said: Kimurah said: Because I can do with my time whatever the heck I want and I don't need to justify to some random nobody on the internet what I do with my time. As simple as that. Okay that's sounds like hypocrite... Well the answer was exactly what I'm expecting... Alright, Thanks... How is that hypocrisy? do you even know what hypocrisy stands for? Just like the other guy you're just looking for cheap excuses to bark at the wrong tree and force your own customs and policies on others. |
KimurahMar 22, 2021 10:02 PM
| That was the most basic shonen flashback I´ve seen since Jiren in Dragon Ball Super. Outside of that, well, let´s see what comes next with the Jaegerists. To be fair this feels exactly like the first part of the third season, a lot of exposition that does not really explain anything we didn´t already know, outside of the abortion plan, lmao. I´m pretty sure Eren does not align with Zeke´s ideology at all, since for him "being born into this world" was being free and the whole motto of his ideology for a while, and then take your own decisions and stuff, last thing he would want is to literally end his race. |
| uh oh, monke wants to ban cum |
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| kid Zeke sure had it rough. it's interesting to remember how Eren basically only had fond memories of his father but he was still used. really liked the scenes between Eren and Zeke i really don't know who to side with anymore at this point. i'm just watching lol |
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| this is the flashback I din't want and I din't care about, this changes nothing. Zeke is just a coward, like I said in earlier episode threads, the eldians living in interment camps lost their pride as humans, if you have enemies who want to kill you, kill them yourself. Grischa was a true hero and Zeke was supposed to be the eldians' savior, a normal eldian kid would have hated the marleyans, would want to get revenge and his father taught him about the true history but Zeke wants to live a comfy life and wants to die. Then he's projecting his insecurities on other people, "everyone should die because I want to die!" what an idiot, he even betrayed his parents in order to survive and I thought it was because of some master plan to free the eldians. The euthanasia plan makes no sense, if the Founder can alter the bodies to make them not have children, it can also modify it to be strong and kill their enemies. If I had the Founder I would make all eldians kill anything that is not eldian. Zeke says he will save the world and the unborn eldians but it's false, it's a tough world, you don't have to say sorry to anyone for your sins in the past, it's kill or be killed and today it's Marley which is the demon nation that destroys the world, it's Marley the enemy we must eliminate. I say the Rumbling makes perfect sense, have Historia cooperate with Eren, transform eldians into titans and destroy the world, keep 1000 or so eldians in Paradis, then populate the world with eldians. I am sure Eren doesn't want to kill all eldians, he just said that to convince Zeke. Also, if Zeke says he's the savior of the world, why didn't he try to get in touch with Eren in Shiganshina? or eat Eren to get the Founder, why does he cooperate with Yelena, who cares about other nations if he will die when the euthanasia plan succeeds, sorry but Zeke is an absolute idiot. Oh and Xaver is an imbecile too, how could he have a family like that and why wasn't he sent to Paradis after they found out he lied about being an eldian. I am very disappointed in all this, the attack on Marley was a 10/10, now all this shit is just annoying, too many incompetents in Paradis and too many goody-two-shoes acting like they have it all sorted out. Zeke's ideology is a mistake. |
CatalanoMar 23, 2021 2:36 AM
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Awesomeness_1307 said: Catalano said: The euthanasia plan makes no sense, if the Founder can alter the bodies to make them not have children, it can also modify it to be strong and kill their enemies. If I had the Founder I would make all eldians kill anything that is not eldian. Zeke says he will save the world and the unborn eldians but it's false, it's a tough world, you don't have to say sorry to anyone for your sins in the past, it's kill or be killed and today it's Marley which is the demon nation that destroys the world, it's Marley the enemy we must eliminate. I say the Rumbling makes perfect sense, have Historia cooperate with Eren, transform eldians into titans and destroy the world, keep 1000 or so eldians in Paradis, then populate the world with eldians. So it's wrong to kill off the Eldians, but it's perfectly fine for everyone else to die except the Eldians? Why is Marley the demon nation here? Udo clearly says in episode 4 that Eldians are treated way worse around the world, compared to Liberio. Marley is just feared around the world because of the Power of the Titans, but that is changing very soon, with the development of advanced planes and bombs and guns in the world of AoT. Is Marley evil because it wants the founding titan? Marley just wants that because of how focussed it was on the Titans, the world caught up to them in terms of technology, and will soon surpass them. The Founder will just make the world fear them and make their enemies stay away from them, which is the exact situation with Paradis right now. We don't really know if Marley is a dictatorship or a democracy, but Paradis is definitely a monarchy. So, why is there a good nation or a bad nation? Every nation just wants to survive. An eldian (like Zeke) killing off all eldians is wrong but another nation killing off the eldians is "survival of the fittest" like I said above. Marley destroyed Eldia because it was stronger but the eldians don't deserve to die off, you have to fight to survive. |
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