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Mar 30, 2021 6:50 PM

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Production hell. Personality I don't really care. The thing I was most scared of was a bad, rushed ending.
Mar 30, 2021 7:07 PM
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Why is the people so salty. After the production problems this is by far the best solution that we could have gotten. A bit longer episode so things can wrap better and a couple of months so animators can give a good production value.

I have the impression that the people involved in this really put their hearts so I expect last episode will be good.
Mar 30, 2021 7:26 PM
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The animators are working to death everyday and you have problems waiting for 3 months really
This is way better then a rushed incomplete ending
Mar 30, 2021 7:44 PM
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it was originally going to air with the rest of the season but production issues came up and they had to make that recap episode and since they didn't want to lose face they counted the recap episode as part of the season which resulted in this episode not being able to air.
Mar 30, 2021 8:06 PM
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Kupo_po said:
Kayle_x_Morgana said:


It should have been part of the anime so we don't have to wait months for the end.


The animators and the staff have worked very very hard to offer an anime of that quality. The production was chaotic, they really suffered making this anime and they deserve a rest. So what if we have to wait a few months to have the final episode if it means the animators will get the rest they deserve and will be able to work properly on the conclusion of WEP. We should be grateful they were able to pull off such amazing episodes while working with a hellish schedule.
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Mar 30, 2021 8:28 PM

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Kayle_x_Morgana said:

It should have been part of the anime so we don't have to wait months for the end.


God, it makes my blood boil everytime i see how entitled this community is towards the content that they consume FOR FREE.
Mar 30, 2021 8:56 PM
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Stygian_Prisoner said:
Kayle_x_Morgana said:

It should have been part of the anime so we don't have to wait months for the end.


God, it makes my blood boil everytime i see how entitled this community is towards the content that they consume FOR FREE.


Many still do not know that anime's not done "western style" (all or nearly all episodes done at the start of the season)

And many do not understand that the Universe doesn't revolve around them.

Personally, I am very surprised at tthese lasts season's quality considering Covid... Imagine what it would've been without!
Mar 30, 2021 9:11 PM

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They were busy fucking up The Promised Neverland, so they couldn't follow the schedule.
Jokes aside, I'm totally fine with the delayed last episode, I just hope it'll be worth the wait, so far the main twist was a bit disappointing.
Mar 30, 2021 9:16 PM

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Polnarefferu said:
I wish I knew the ending was months away before starting the anime

Just started this yesterday and i feel the same. By the time the 13th episode airs i'm sure i'll forget some details of the plot and wouldn't be as engaged as if i watched it in succession. Things like this should be announced beforehand, not after the (supposed) ending of an anime.
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Mar 30, 2021 9:26 PM
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Im gonna take a guess here and say that this will probably be 45 mins(maybe a hour unlikely but🤷‍♂️)episode special just from the fact so much is unanswered and whatnot and would need that much time to wrap it up nicely.
Mar 30, 2021 10:49 PM

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MAL inputs them like this so that's why. A lot of people's gonna miss this episode and will think episode 12 was the ending due to this.
Mar 30, 2021 10:52 PM
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I wanted this to be included in the anime entry solely as a fuck you to the production committee for trying to mask it
Mar 30, 2021 11:07 PM
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Glad the anime won't be stuck as watching till June end on my list ... phew
Mar 31, 2021 12:20 AM
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From what I've heard the production for this anime was pure chaos. One of the main examples I heard about was the producer being hospitalised twice during the making of this show. The first time he came back after 5 hours to lead his team. The utter dedication to even make the 12 episodes they needed to make with such a high quality is insane and i believe that the staff deserved a break. I can wait until the 30th of June if it means the well-being of the people who are making it.
Mar 31, 2021 1:17 AM

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I think the staff where in rush when they developed this so that is why this is separate from the main series

Mar 31, 2021 1:44 AM

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Animation, sound and direction was masterfully done. I'm guessing it's the original creator (scriptwriter) fault for not having the whole story done on time. He pulled a Hideaki Anno on us.
Mar 31, 2021 1:44 AM

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I think this will be actual 12th episode because there was recap one we watched 11 total.
Mar 31, 2021 2:26 AM

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aight. everybody calm yer tits. slow yer rolls. and listen to an ol fart spit facts. 31 years otaku, nigh on all that anime only. i haven't read but 1 or 2 manga in my life. but when i got started in 1990 all there WAS were dubs and they were ALL on VHS tapes. and they ALL took more than a year to ever show up in the West.

when you make an anime in Japan... even the worthless 12 eps, pump and dump, 60% of all of them are these, just to increase the sales of the sources. they take YEARS to put together the money, the actors, the studio, make the show, sell it to the TV networks, and get it broadcast. we're talking 2 YEARS minimum. PERIOD! that IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD! for a normal average run of the mill 12 ep show.

WEP isn't one. it's all original. CloverWorks screwed the pooch and didn't do it right. ok. how do they go about 'fixing' their fuckup? 1 recap episode. and 1 special episode, format unknown.

ok.

what can we do about it? absofuckinglutely nothing. not a thing. so this entire discussion? worthless.

ok, hold on, another thought. 1 don't buy the DVD/BR when it comes out. if it comes out. bla bla bla. 2 don't stream this show on the platform you're paying for. Funimation is doing a dub of it. don't watch it. 3 tell your friends, neighbors, hell tell the fleas on your dog to not buy the disks or stream the show on a paid platform.

you are voting with your... money! you're showing CloverWorks that their 'fuckup' is not going to gain any profit from you. yourself. a singular person.

i've seen some videos online, some pundits from Japan writing articles and posting videos. alot of the press over there thinks that this TV scheduling nightmare and production of anime free-fall into hell won't get fixed till Summer Season 2022.

it is a huge domino effect. Show 1 pushes Show 2 pushes Show 3 over and over and over again because the 1st one got delayed but needs a broadcast timeslot. so it's gotta take Show 2's timeslot. well this delays Show2 into Show3's place... and now we're not even 1 year post 2020 covid caused shit-storm.

if the Yen says 'make this show now!' but in a few months there's NO PLACE ON TV TO PUT THE SHOW! do you think they're just going to put their pens, pencils, and keyboards down and say 'awww fuckit! i'm going on vacation!' no they're not. or they won't be able to buy food, pay rent bla bla bla.

if CloverWorks properly figured crap out and said, 'make this show appear with a 12th episode on 31 March 2021.' then they should have counted backwards 2 years and STARTED it in 2019. if they can't do that? well then gee. do what 'Vlad Love' did! release the damn thing online! 6 episodes showed up 14 Feb on Valentine's Day. 6 more showed up on White Day one month later on 14 March. now how simple was that hmm?
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Mar 31, 2021 3:56 AM
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Its awful. The wait will kill the fandom
Mar 31, 2021 7:37 AM

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Kayle_x_Morgana said:
I know the 8th episode was filler garbage waste but still, why does it need to be separate?


Because the 8th episode was filler garbage waste.

8th episode wasn't planned to be Filler Garbage Waste, but they couldn't finish production of actual ep 8 (now ep 9) in time so they aired a clipshow instead.

Now, the timeslot WEP has has already been filled next week so they can't air the last episode next week. Thus this speacial on a later date when they can get a timeslot for it (and extra production time won't hurt either).
Mar 31, 2021 7:38 AM

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It's separate on MAL because most databases need to separate them if they have abnormal releases. There are plenty of shows with 100+ episodes and no seasons, but because there was a gap between them, they get considered seasons/parts even if the anime doesn't specifically say that.
Mar 31, 2021 8:46 AM

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Kayle_x_Morgana said:
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What an unnecessarily angry OP lol

This is not in the main series entry because it's airing later, that's all.


It should have been part of the anime so we don't have to wait months for the end.

And that type of people, entitled to have their products always shipped in the best most convenient time, is the reason that games like Cyber Punk 2077 exist. If you want to eat more garbage like that game, go on and keep normalizing ignoring the possibility of delays and normalizing Crunch.
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heh.
Mar 31, 2021 9:36 AM
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Because Clover Works is a garbage company that has overworked their animators literally to near death this season.

The studio worked on 3 whole anime this season while also working on Shadows House for the next.

Oh by the way, when I said "literally" I wasn't kidding. The animation producer apparently got wheeled into an ambulance twice.
Mar 31, 2021 10:38 AM

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Bob-o-Dominador said:
Kayle_x_Morgana said:


It should have been part of the anime so we don't have to wait months for the end.

And that type of people, entitled to have their products always shipped in the best most convenient time, is the reason that games like Cyber Punk 2077 exist. If you want to eat more garbage like that game, go on and keep normalizing ignoring the possibility of delays and normalizing Crunch.
What the fuck are you talking about? It was literally suppose to be episode 12.
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Kayle_x_Morgana said:
I know the 8th episode was filler garbage waste but still, why does it need to be separate?
Ever though about time slots when it comes to broadcasting a show on TV?
Mar 31, 2021 10:48 AM
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kracko said:
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I know the 8th episode was filler garbage waste but still, why does it need to be separate?

Apparently, they couldn't get the eighth episode out in time, hence the recap in the middle of a fucking 12ep tv series.
hey hey hey, no need to act so salty. Id like to see u work extremely long hours trying to push out an episode in the middle of a pandemic.
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Kayle_x_Morgana said:
Bob-o-Dominador said:

And that type of people, entitled to have their products always shipped in the best most convenient time, is the reason that games like Cyber Punk 2077 exist. If you want to eat more garbage like that game, go on and keep normalizing ignoring the possibility of delays and normalizing Crunch.
What the fuck are you talking about? It was literally suppose to be episode 12.

I'm talking the obvious, if they decided to not delay the last epsode there wouldn't be a shitty recap epsode and we would have it here already BUT them all episodes after 8 would have to be botched and would be shit- wich is much worse.
heh.
Mar 31, 2021 11:52 AM
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NyanyKittyCat said:
Thank god for this because ep.12 did not feel like an ending at all
I think they whole point ep.12 didn't feel like an ending was because they knew this was going to be the end and was probably meant to be the proper ep.12 but due to delays in production they included the recap as an episode
Mar 31, 2021 12:03 PM
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The actual reason there is 3 months of wait is just that there probably is no available timeslot for the tv channel before then, since it was planned for only 12 episodes.
Mar 31, 2021 12:13 PM

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Maybe they wanted more time to properly end things

That's the thing. They NEEDED more time because of production issues and now the special is scheduled for June (not complaining btw).
Mar 31, 2021 12:54 PM
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Tubstar said:
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Thank god for this because ep.12 did not feel like an ending at all
I think they whole point ep.12 didn't feel like an ending was because they knew this was going to be the end and was probably meant to be the proper ep.12 but due to delays in production they included the recap as an episode

Yeah, that makes sense now. I guess the studio needs to fix their working hours, start the production earlier and give the animators a loooong holidays after it's finished
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Polnarefferu said:
I wish I knew the ending was months away before starting the anime
i bet the production staff wished this too.
Apr 2, 2021 4:34 AM
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Kayle_x_Morgana said:
I know the 8th episode was filler garbage waste but still, why does it need to be separate?


OP stop acting like a entitled bastard, Covid fucked over the production of this anime, a schedule that should have been perfect for this anime became too short because of the delays caused by Covid and production became hell for everyone involved. This delay is so the last episode doesn't have to be a PowerPoint presentation and so that the animators don't kill themselves trying to conclude couple months worth of work within couple days. This delay between episode 12 and the last episode is a good thing for everyone involved.
Apr 2, 2021 5:39 AM
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They didn't have time to animate an actual episode 8, so they put a recap instead. This special episode was supposed to be in the anime but yeah
Apr 2, 2021 7:11 AM
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Polnarefferu said:
I wish I knew the ending was months away before starting the anime


Omfg same, I wish I knew the the last ep was gonna take months before I started this series so I’d didn’t have to wait and so I don’t forget some things that happened in the show by then
Apr 2, 2021 8:43 AM
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MAL's database can be so confusing for no reason sometimes. SK8 had a recap episode and MAL made that one episode its own separate entity. That was so unnecessary.


MAL follows the episode label given by the marketing team of the show though

SK8 says the recap is episode 9.5 so thats why it got its own entry
while the recap episode of WEP is labeled episode 8 of the main series while this final episode is labeled now as Special Episode even though we know deep down its just marketing nonesense from the anime studio and production committee
mal has moderators that run it. They decide what to call it or at least that's what my News Mod friend told me.
Apr 3, 2021 7:32 AM
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Yeah I was a little disappointed too. Having to wait two months for the final episode is kinda lame tbh. I know the staff might have been worked too hard. I still feel like they could have released this final episode as part of the season. Don't @ me
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Yeah I was a little disappointed too. Having to wait two months for the final episode is kinda lame tbh. I know the staff might have been worked too hard. I still feel like they could have released this final episode as part of the season. Don't @ me


Well too bad I'm going to @ you. Several people were hospitalized during the production and they had to hire dozens of freelancers last minute just to get the last couple episodes out in time.
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Malorn44 said:
jaredross said:
Yeah I was a little disappointed too. Having to wait two months for the final episode is kinda lame tbh. I know the staff might have been worked too hard. I still feel like they could have released this final episode as part of the season. Don't @ me


Well too bad I'm going to @ you. Several people were hospitalized during the production and they had to hire dozens of freelancers last minute just to get the last couple episodes out in time.


Ok fine, I take it back. Didn't know it was that bad.
May 24, 2021 5:32 AM

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I don't mind waiting but i don't understand why MAL wants separate entries for these shows.

Bakemonogatari is one entry but only the first 12 episodes aired on TV and episode 15 was streamed nine months after e12.

Sometimes the manga database merges entries (e.g. Emanon) so why won't they just merge all split-cour seasons into single entries?
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Don't flame me but this is why I prefer the "Netflix Jail" approach for Anime.

Complete a show then drop it all onto the service so fans can binge-watch it in one go, it's better than the weekly JIT (Just in Time) production process most studios use and would prevent this happening, improve workers conditions and not leave us with rushed adaptations due to TV screening slot availability compressing the work schedule..

Unfortunately it won't protect us from bodged adaptations, but a complete & serve up for binge-watching - also means you can check a completed review to check if the adaptation's crap, so saving x weeks of investment (TpN Series 2 - anyone).

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penrhos said:
Don't flame me but this is why I prefer the "Netflix Jail" approach for Anime.



If only "Netflix Jail" meant what you said... Too bad Netflix doesn't actually release shows when they're finished. Netflix waits for months after they're finished until it is convenient to release them (Beastars season 2 is a current example... finished airing in March... supposedly won't be available until some time in July). They're not held in "jail" until complete.

Almost all of those shows still air weekly in Japan. They're also available for streaming immediately in Japan. Therefore pirates have them and fan translations exist well before Netflix releases them anywhere else. This isn't always the case for the shows that Netflix produces itself, of course (their experiments in CGI animation), but that is only a fraction of the shows they license.

Sadly, signing with Netflix is like willingly converting a percentage of your audience to pirates in return for an up front sum of cash. Some producers seem to prefer this. Others try to combat it by going exclusively ONA, simultaneous worldwide release, and sacrificing domestic revenue sources. However, that is a big risk when the largest spending audience is still in Japan and has their own viewing preferences.
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Oh wow now I'm sad because this anime ended so quickly despite the popularity and supports this anime is so good tho is simple and the animation is amazing but I hate to say it they say they don't have a slight chance of getting season 2 cause of sources and the studio don't make much season 2s but damn after seeing this topic makes me more sad after reading the comments saying they wanna wrap it up so my hope drop from 20 to 0 dead set 0
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When this finishes airing I wish they include it in the Anime database.
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From what I've heard the production for this anime was pure chaos. One of the main examples I heard about was the producer being hospitalised twice during the making of this show. The first time he came back after 5 hours to lead his team. The utter dedication to even make the 12 episodes they needed to make with such a high quality is insane and i believe that the staff deserved a break. I can wait until the 30th of June if it means the well-being of the people who are making it.

Damn,the production was even worse than Aot s4 lmao.They should learn from Vivy's production team who took 2-3 years to even make Vivy.

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Damn,the production was even worse than Aot s4 lmao.They should learn from Vivy's production team who took 2-3 years to even make Vivy.
That's assuming they could even afford to wait. The last year and a half was hard on everybody; anime studios included.
Jun 15, 2021 10:46 PM

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they couldnt complete the anime in time because of an earthquake so they made ep 8 a recap and pushed ep 12 to this. they cant just add an episode to the television schedule lol so it got pushed to June
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Jun 20, 2021 4:11 AM

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smh incompetent staff. (oh no did I triggered somebody~)
Jun 21, 2021 2:06 PM
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Yes, this is the finale (1 HOUR LONG!!!!!) we've been waiting for.
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