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Grey-Zone said: Insertanamehere said: Archer almost disappears from mana but has enough to cast UBW, lol. I bet it's a mistranslation and Saber actually notes that Archer's mana is "disappearing" instead of the "near 0" that was said in this episode, or something like that. I mean it's the translator who just f*cked up so badly by using "Steel is my body" instead of "I am the bone of my Sword". Saber just says 「魔力切れ？」"Running out of magical energy?" Nothing more, nothing less. Shirou's 「体は剣で出来ている」is "[My] body is made out of swords". It is neither "I am the man of steel", nor "I am the bone of my sword". Chants of Archer and Shirou are different. |
LoomyTheBrew said: BEST EPISODE YET. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! While the impact maybe wasn't as awesome as it could have been since the lack of build with Shirou's character, but man, they really did highlight why Shirou is fucking awesome nonetheless. The music, the animation, the ideological battle between Archer and Shirou, the imagery, everything was fantastic. I choked up a little because of how beautiful it was. They nailed the biggest plot point in the whole show, after so many screw ups before it. It doesn't excuse the previous episodes, but it sure as hell mended some serious wounds. As a standalone episode, I'd give a 10/10. Fucking fantastic. The parts with the Shirous talking to their younger selves, watching Kiritsugu safe him, and realizing the beauty of his ideal was just magnificent. Also the Avalon sequence was so good! Ladies and gentlemen, this how awesome F/SN can be if done right! Pretty much this :D The episode director for this one knew what he was doing. As well executed as anything we've seen so far from ufoFSN |
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Inugirlz said: Othi-tan said: Avalon works ALL the time as long as it has Saber's mana.Master-Servant contract isnt needed. Wut. Omg Shiro has plot armour AND constant healing. He needs to get decapitated by Archer. (is it wrong for me to want him to die? lol to tell the truth i just want Archer to WIN i don't really care if Shiro dies) It's wrong for you to be older than 18 and still write "wut" and "omg". |
FlamepriesT said: Inugirlz said: Wut. Omg Shiro has plot armour AND constant healing. He needs to get decapitated by Archer. (is it wrong for me to want him to die? lol to tell the truth i just want Archer to WIN i don't really care if Shiro dies) So Kiritsugu can use Saber's sheath, but Shirou can't? Interesting... lol He's not using it. He's just taking advantage of it. Zulkir said: Grey-Zone said: I bet it's a mistranslation and Saber actually notes that Archer's mana is "disappearing" instead of the "near 0" that was said in this episode, or something like that. I mean it's the translator who just f*cked up so badly by using "Steel is my body" instead of "I am the bone of my Sword". Saber just says 「魔力切れ？」"Running out of magical energy?" Nothing more, nothing less. Shirou's 「体は剣で出来ている」is "[My] body is made out of swords". It is neither "I am the man of steel", nor "I am the body of my sword". Chants of Archer and Shirou are different. That's actually the literal meaning. Shirou says * ** *** **** ** ** *****. In the VN. Infact, he says the whole chant. Either way, I guess Nasu wanted to change it a bit. It is AU, after all. |
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Mickdrew said: LoomyTheBrew said: BEST EPISODE YET. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! While the impact maybe wasn't as awesome as it could have been since the lack of build with Shirou's character, but man, they really did highlight why Shirou is fucking awesome nonetheless. The music, the animation, the ideological battle between Archer and Shirou, the imagery, everything was fantastic. I choked up a little because of how beautiful it was. They nailed the biggest plot point in the whole show, after so many screw ups before it. It doesn't excuse the previous episodes, but it sure as hell mended some serious wounds. As a standalone episode, I'd give a 10/10. Fucking fantastic. The parts with the Shirous talking to their younger selves, watching Kiritsugu safe him, and realizing the beauty of his ideal was just magnificent. Also the Avalon sequence was so good! Ladies and gentlemen, this how awesome F/SN can be if done right! Pretty much this :D The episode director for this one knew what he was doing. As well executed as anything we've seen so far from ufoFSN Isn't this the same episode director everyone was complaining about? Goes to show you even if a director fucks up once, he can still do a good job. |
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mira-nyan said: Anyways, yeah, constant healing. One of the perks of having The Waifu as your servant ~.~ But we just established that the pact is not necessary... It's a perk of having her scabbard, not a perk of being her master. |
| Despite its problems this was a good episode. They made up as much ground on Shirou's character as possible considering how much was left out up till now, which is what I was holding out hope for. The rest of Answer could still be quite memorable, though admittedly I dunno if anime onlies will be able to appreciate it as much. |
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LoomyTheBrew said: BEST EPISODE YET. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! While the impact maybe wasn't as awesome as it could have been since the lack of build with Shirou's character, but man, they really did highlight why Shirou is fucking awesome nonetheless. The music, the animation, the ideological battle between Archer and Shirou, the imagery, everything was fantastic. I choked up a little because of how beautiful it was. They nailed the biggest plot point in the whole show, after so many screw ups before it. It doesn't excuse the previous episodes, but it sure as hell mended some serious wounds. As a standalone episode, I'd give a 10/10. Fucking fantastic. The parts with the Shirous talking to their younger selves, watching Kiritsugu safe him, and realizing the beauty of his ideal was just magnificent. Also the Avalon sequence was so good! Ladies and gentlemen, this how awesome F/SN can be if done right! The imagery was well done. It's a good example of showing and not fully telling. Next episode will probably be the telling since it's title "Answer". |
fst said: mira-nyan said: Anyways, yeah, constant healing. One of the perks of having The Waifu as your servant ~.~ But we just established that the pact is not necessary... It's a perk of having her scabbard, not a perk of being her master. Sorry, correction. *One of the perks of being the scabbard to teh stonkest Hori Sword( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) . |
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Insertanamehere said: fst said: As long as they don't both kill each other, technically, Archer still wins. ? Archer is Shirou. But I think he means the other way round, lol. |
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| By the way, at what minute is the "You are correct, but not right" part? The closest that I found is at 21:47 after Shirou heals himself, but he tells quite a different thing. |
| Jesus this episode was so good! Shirou's monologue was perfect, it sent chivers down my spine. Looks like Kiritsugu left some amazing gifts before dying. "Steel is my body" 10/10. |
| Anime-only viewers complaining about the decent explaination of Avalon instead of asking why Rin didn't use a command spell, or why Saber still doesn't give a fuck about anything, even when the servant she sent to save her master stabs himself to death. |
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| this was a really good episode u.u i enjoyed their back and forth , archa still resilient to impose his reasonable ideals ?!?! wat an ass :< also RIP lanca , u were indeed a bro ;-; also |
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Zulkir said: By the way, at what minute is the "You are correct, but not right" part? The closest that I found is at 21:47 after Shirou heals himself, but he tells quite a different thing. 21:36 |
| Apparently Aniplex and Crunchyroll fixed the Steel is My Body line btw. |
InsertanamehereMay 23, 2015 12:26 PM
| Great episode and I loved Archer's engrish. |
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Royal said: Godly scene. Not as good without the music, tho :l Lollo36 said: Anime-only viewers complaining about the decent explaination of Avalon instead of asking why Rin didn't use a command spell, or why Saber still doesn't give a fuck about anything, even when the servant she sent to save her master stabs himself to death. >She doesn't know that is happening as she is in another world. >She needs to watch the fight to solve her problem. >She knows Ransa is stronk enough to defeat anyone that goes there. >Rin is just dumb like that. There was a reasonable explanation for this. She didn't know what was happening outside of where she was, so she couldn't risk it? |
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Insertanamehere said: Aniplex and Crunchyroll fixed the Steel is My Body line btw. Good. Gonna wait for UTW still, though. |
astroprogs said: Insertanamehere said: Aniplex and Crunchyroll fixed the Steel is My Body line btw. Good. Gonna wait for UTW still, though. How fast is UTW working? I have the first BD's from them but I haven't checked on much during the second cour. |
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Lollo36 said: Anime-only viewers complaining about the decent explaination of Avalon instead of asking why Rin didn't use a command spell, or why Saber still doesn't give a fuck about anything, even when the servant she sent to save her master stabs himself to death. why would rin summon saber when shinji the master of Gilgamesh is there |
Lollo36 said: even when the servant she sent to save her master stabs himself to death. She wouldn't know that, though. |
KamiCity said: astroprogs said: Good. Gonna wait for UTW still, though. How fast is UTW working? I have the first BD's from them but I haven't checked on much during the second cour. They caught up to episode 19. I think we'll get this one subbed by Tuesday at the earliest. |
KamiCity said: astroprogs said: Good. Gonna wait for UTW still, though. How fast is UTW working? I have the first BD's from them but I haven't checked on much during the second cour. They've been keeping up very well. I wouldn't be surprised if their subs are release on Monday |
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| Did this episode have a different sound director to the rest of the series? Why was it so prominent here? Not complaining, but the 2nd cour barely had audible music up until this point. |
| Real Lancers kill their asshole masters before they die XDD |
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| Some guy got them to change the wrong UBW chant line! |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Shinji was the MVP of this episode nuff said |
astroprogs said: Insertanamehere said: Aniplex and Crunchyroll fixed the Steel is My Body line btw. Good. Gonna wait for UTW still, though. I usually watch from crunchyroll becoz they are legit. |
astroprogs said: They caught up to episode 19. I think we'll get this one subbed by Tuesday at the earliest. Mickdrew said: They've been keeping up very well. I wouldn't be surprised if their subs are release on Monday xcllnt said: So I guess we can expect them to release this episode maybe around Wednesday if they keep their pace. You guys can't agree on anything can you lol. |
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astroprogs said: Zulkir said: By the way, at what minute is the "You are correct, but not right" part? The closest that I found is at 21:47 after Shirou heals himself, but he tells quite a different thing. 21:36 Shirou said: 手も足もまだ動く 負けていたのは俺の心だ お前を正しいだと受け入れていた 俺の心が弱かった お前の正しさはただ正しいだけのものだ そんなもの、俺は要らない 俺は正義の味方になる Literally, Shirou said: My arms and legs are still working The one that lost [to you] was my heart It accepted you as being right My heart was weak Your rightfulness is just a thing of being right I don't need such a thing I will become a champion of justice Is something like that in the subs? |
ZulkirMay 23, 2015 12:35 PM
KamiCity said: astroprogs said: They caught up to episode 19. I think we'll get this one subbed by Tuesday at the earliest. Mickdrew said: They've been keeping up very well. I wouldn't be surprised if their subs are release on Monday xcllnt said: So I guess we can expect them to release this episode maybe around Wednesday if they keep their pace. You guys can't agree on anything can you lol. I guess I'll hedge my bets on Thursday then. |
Mickdrew said: Yes, I know you can find stuff wrong with this episode if you compare each progression in the story compared to the VN - but on its own, this was great. Nothing seriously bad from my point of view, it seemed well executed. dat Archer vs Shirou got intense Same here. I feel like people have become so biased against this show that they start nitpicking every single detail just to feel better. |
Zulkir said: astroprogs said: 21:36 Shirou said: 手も足もまだ動く 負けていたのは俺の心だ お前を正しいだと受け入れていた 俺の心が弱かった お前の正しさはただ正しいだけのものだ そんなもの、俺は要らない 俺は正義の味方になる Literally, Shirou said: My arms and legs are still working The one that lost [to you] was my heart It accepted you as being right My heart was weak Your rightfulness is just a thing of being right I don't need such a thing I will become a champion of justice Is something like that in the subs? wait what does that mean, I'm seriously confused. That line confuses me even more then CR's line. like, is what he trying to say there mean he is jabbing at archer for acting all right specifically because he believes he's right? What is he trying to prove there? X_X |
EmphaticPikachu said: Zulkir said: Literally, Is something like that in the subs? wait what does that mean, I'm seriously confused. That line confuses me even more then CR's line. like, is what he trying to say there mean he is jabbing at archer for acting all right specifically because he believes he's right? What is he trying to prove there? X_X "Your argument may be logically sound, but I cannot agree with the sentiment." is what Shirou means |
EmphaticPikachu said: Zulkir said: Literally, Is something like that in the subs? wait what does that mean, I'm seriously confused. That line confuses me even more then CR's line. like, is what he trying to say there mean he is jabbing at archer for acting all right specifically because he believes he's right? What is he trying to prove there? X_X This, I can only guess, lol. Probably something like "I almost agreed to you, since you are right. But you being right is still not a reason to abandon my ideal, since it does not require rightfulness." or something. |
Caliburn220 said: EmphaticPikachu said: wait what does that mean, I'm seriously confused. That line confuses me even more then CR's line. like, is what he trying to say there mean he is jabbing at archer for acting all right specifically because he believes he's right? What is he trying to prove there? X_X "Your argument may be logically sound, but I cannot agree with the sentiment." is what Shirou means I think he just meant that "i will not become like you in the future" |
| right rʌɪt/ adjective 1. morally good, justified, or acceptable. "I hope we're doing the right thing" synonyms: just, fair, equitable, good, upright, righteous, virtuous, proper, moral, morally justified, ethical, honourable, honest, principled; More antonyms: wrong, unjust 2. true or correct as a fact. "I'm not sure I know the right answer" synonyms: correct, accurate, without error, unerring, exact, precise; More Look at 1st def |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Good lead up, epic in fact, to what I hope to be one of the anime finest fights. |
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Yuzuryn said: Mickdrew said: Yes, I know you can find stuff wrong with this episode if you compare each progression in the story compared to the VN - but on its own, this was great. Nothing seriously bad from my point of view, it seemed well executed. dat Archer vs Shirou got intense Same here. I feel like people have become so biased against this show that they start nitpicking every single detail just to feel better. It's just that the VN flows better. Simple as that. While the anime does it justice in certain regards with imagery. There are a lot of problems when you get to HUGE transition points like this. Having read the VN multiple times, I can clearly tell you that I felt more emotion reading and looking at a still image then watching an animation. It's not trying to nit pick its simply stating one is better than the other and is the base of comparison. The biggest issue is the build up to this point with Shirou's characterization and arguably most of the other cast. Anime only viewers have experienced what they experience but VN readers know all the stuff glossed over or omitted which built the scene we are currently watching. Personally, while this wasn't a bad episode, it was not a good episode either. There are things I liked and things I had problems. There are a few significant translation issues with this script from Aniplex is prob at the forefront of problems with this episode. At least imo. While the core concept is expressed (I suppose) if an anime only viewer gave this episode as a 5/5 it is not wrong for a passionate VN fan to see this as a 3/5. I'm glad to see people enjoying the universe but VN "nit picking" is well justified in nearly all the cases presented. |
IZEROIIMay 23, 2015 12:49 PM
| the episode was ok, loved Shinji's reaction to being stabbed. PRICELESS! |
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| Ohhhh, Lancer, why you're so based? Being such a badass must be one of his competence. Not only that, but he manage to say awesome one-liners? Could his death be more badass? At least, he didn't die like a certain someone... Kotomine is really a careless man. Partying with Matou Shinji? Not checking if his zombie servant is actually dead? At that point, he deserved to die. Shinji running like the little bitch he is was awesome too. I've been wondering, the staff from Ufotable and even Nasu were talking about major changes, but the only major change I noticed was Avalon being activated (at least, it wasn't in the VN, from my memories). There may be other things too, it has been a long time since I've read it, but I believe it was pretty similar. The shock between their ideals was really beautifully represented. I loved Shirou inner conflict and Archer confronting his hypocrisy. But Shirou is also a great character (not so much in the Fate route), more particuliarly in Heaven Feels route, but in this route, it is where he define his stuborn character. |
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black1blade said: right rʌɪt/ adjective 1. morally good, justified, or acceptable. "I hope we're doing the right thing" synonyms: just, fair, equitable, good, upright, righteous, virtuous, proper, moral, morally justified, ethical, honourable, honest, principled; More antonyms: wrong, unjust 2. true or correct as a fact. "I'm not sure I know the right answer" synonyms: correct, accurate, without error, unerring, exact, precise; More Look at 1st def Lol....you guys are so funny |
mira-nyan said: Funny how you guys aren't even complaining about this;  Worst part of the episode. Creepy shit. Would have expected Shinji to do something like that. Not Kotomine. ...and I can't believe Kotomine is dead. Really disappointing, overall. But hey, Lancer sure is awesome. I'm glad he was able to do something like that before his actual death. And everything he said about Rin before he died was great. Let's not forget about him beating the crap out of Shinji...again! Too bad he didn't kill that attempted rapist. I really hope Shinji dies before the end of this series. I hate that fucking guy. Is Shirou's "just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right" the new "people die if they are killed"? I wish he'd start making sense... Good episode, though. Nice insert song used throughout the big fight. Ufotable's budget is really something else. |
Mickdrew said: Pretty much this :D The episode director for this one knew what he was doing. As well executed as anything we've seen so far from ufoFSN The episode director did know what he was doing this episode for sure! I guess some props have to be given to Mirua as well. Kolios said: The imagery was well done. It's a good example of showing and not fully telling. Next episode will probably be the telling since it's title "Answer". Definitely. I wished they used more of those type of scenes before if they were to represent his monologues. Maybe not to the same scale of course, but it helps hearing monologues when you see some type of imagery with it. |
| Utw - unlimited translation works lol i never knew that there was a website like that too |
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