Kakumeiki Valvrave Episode 2 Discussion

Irenesharda said:



2) No idea, at all.

tezann_t said:
The thing that puzzles me still is how Valvrave works and how they're feeding us all these incredible things it's capable of. So after it over-heats it gets to use an overdrive move?...And how does Haruto even know to stab into Valvrave?

Well, I think it was more a programed motion, as I think there is a good reason as to why it didn't just stab into the god damn engine. I mean, the sword went right underneath it, and at the same time, looked turned flat.

AddleBoy said:
But, really, Haruto? You spend the whole episode talking about how you're going to avenge Shoko, but you don't even go through with the confession because "MONSTERS DON'T HAVE FEELINGS BAAAAAAWWWW!" I guess you killed all those people for nothing. :P

Onyxthegreat said:
He finally sees her again after going through all that and then he decides: "Well, actually I don't deserve it because I'm a monster now", how lame brave.

symbv said:
Some people are LOL'ing about the Valvrave stabbing itself to become more powerful, but this kind of act we have seen before, and it is none other than Evangelion (and we don't even get much of an explanation why this is necessary except some symbolic reasons). At least I expect to hear some explanation why such act is needed for power-up.

symbv said:
Actually is it how the English subtitles translated his words???? "MONSTERS DON'T HAVE FEELINGS"?!?!?

That is a bad bad bad translation!!!

What he actually said is "I have turned into this monster.... I don't have any right to confess my feeling to her any more."

The translation is totally off. No doubt you guys are right to laugh at that, but make sure when you laugh you are laughing at the subbers, not the anime and its writers!!i

skudoops said:
Where in Evangelion do the EVA's stab themselves to become more powerful?

symbv said:
Fixed.

symbv said:
Actually is it how the English subtitles translated his words???? "MONSTERS DON'T HAVE FEELINGS"?!?!?

That is a bad bad bad translation!!!

What he actually said is "I have turned into this monster.... I don't have any right to confess my feeling to her any more."

The translation is totally off. No doubt you guys are right to laugh at that, but make sure when you laugh you are laughing at the subbers, not the anime and its writers!!i

Irenesharda said:


I can only go on the subtitles I'm provided as I have no real comprehension of the Japanese language. So I would never know if the subs are wrong or not. I won't be able to see the CR subs until next week (and by then I don't even bother), but I know for a fact that CR translators have a habit of adding or subtracting dialogue when they feel like it.

However, I am glad there are posters like you who can correct bad dialogue mistakes that get lost in translation, just like the one who spotted the mistake gg made last week when they said L-11 said "D-zero" instead of what he really said, "Lieselotte".

Taking into context your translation of what was said, it solidifies what I thought of Haruto and that the writers didn't do such a bad job after all.

lalomartins said:

I'm surprised ppl are confused about this, it was pretty clear to me. It wasn't so much “stabbing itself” (although it may have been intentionally designed to look that way); it was bathing the sword in the overheated generator. There's clearly something mysterious about that generator.

UsakoMoon said:
you do understand that his whole reasoning for being able to kill people and to fight was for her revenge. He chose to give up his humanity for that single purpose and now that shes alive? He views himself as a monster and therefore doesnt
want to bring the girl he loves into that world. He would rather her view him as a good friend than find out that hes a monster

anyway I really like the characters but I think I like the other girl better (the black hair'd girl, I don't remember her name XD)

UsakoMoon said:
I watched it on CR And i'm pretty sure they did it correctly ^^

symbv said:
So how did Crunchyroll translate the last words of the MC in this episode?

shanimebib said:
Exact/literal translation:
Inuzuka: Why?
Haruto: I've ended up being a monster like this... I will fail to convey any of my feelings (, right?).

symbv said:
This is not a literal translation, because Haruto said the word 資格 meaning the qualification or the right to do something and that he no longer has the 資格 (right) to 告白(confess his feeling), and this is absent in the "literal" translation. The translation above is much better than "Monster has no feeling" but it is neither literal nor accurate translation in my view.

shanimebib said:
Yep. It should be "I don't have the right to convey any feelings anymore." Thanks for the correction.

UsakoMoon said:


I watched it on CR And i'm pretty sure they did it correctly ^^

symbv said:
That's much better (although with the context I would go for "I don't have the right to confess my feelings to her anymore" instead).

BTW, do you mind correcting your original post in http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=587845&show=260#msg21552879 lest someone read that but missed our discussion here?

Irenesharda said:
However, I am glad there are posters like you who can correct bad dialogue mistakes that get lost in translation, just like the one who spotted the mistake gg made last week when they said L-11 said "D-zero" instead of what he really said, "Lieselotte".

NeoAnkara said:
Did anyone think that Haruto is look like Amata from Aquarion Evol?

shanimebib said:
Did already. :)

shanimebib said:
Edit: then again, the continuation from the previous sentence followed by missing subject in the following line can be translated as "A monster do not have the right to convey any feelings."

symbv said:
Thanks.

No, no Japanese would understand the dialogue as that. A missing subject in a sentence would by default mean the subject is the speaker himself, not the subject in the previous sentence. The translation is simply a plain mistake resulted from lack of knowledge about the Japanese language.

shanimebib said:


Haven't seen that anime, but he has so many lookalikes in anime in general, I won't be surprised.

NeoAnkara said:
Here for comparison.

symbv said:
Thanks, but I wish there are more who can point out bad translations... (in case you have not noticed, I am also the one who spotted the "D-Zero" translation mistake..)

Irenesharda said:
Oh? I found that out on the animesuki forum. Are you on that one too?

FiveOVER said:


Sigh, seems like trollers are running out ideas so they just throw "pussy mc", "trainwreck", "stupid writing" when i've seen that hundreds of times. Are you guys even trying?

Let me give you a list of reasons why this writing is a masterpiece.

- It gives the mc a reason to fight. Unless you want reasons like "those are the bad guys", "I want to be a hero", "I have to save my friends", "I'm just following orders", "my body got controlled by some mystical power" which I have no qualms with at all, but you haters just have to call them cheapskate and dismiss them as silly. Sothe motive as revenge is definitely a hit.

- Second, it gives the discontinuity when the students cheer for haruto's victory, while haruto laments her death. This nails down the idea that no one but haruto can understand his grief. Remember, robbing tears from the audience is clearly not the author's motive. His motive is to show us the isolation of those different/ gifted compared to others.

- Third, her death was entirely the reason why haruto underwent such a drasic change in just the span of two episods. He was a pacifist, he experienced the reality of war, agreed with l-elf and admitted his mistake. He then understands the gravity of the situation in war. He knows its killed or be killed and didn't hesitate to kill the soldiers. He even learned how precious shoko is to him and adamant to go back to her even in tha hopeless situation.

- Fourth, her death brought the chance for saki to act and established a prelude to a love triangle. If she weren't "dead" , saki probably will never have the chance to act on her feelings.

- fifth, it gives us a chance to see our mc in dilemma while he deal with his identity crisis and his feelings for shoko. Only when he realized that shoko is alive that the impact of losing his humanity hit him. This give arise to more character developement and again the author tells you this is not your typical happy story.

- sixth, this is my favourite point. This is when the story truly establishes that its a dark story through and through. The viewers realize that haruto just lost his humanity for nothing. Shoko was alive all along and he is being thrown into this unreasonable situation just because he acted rashly in he heat of the situation.

After reading all those points can you truly say this is bad writing? No, first you have to ask yourself. How good of a story can I write compared to this?



I'm not trying to make you upset.

I'm just pointing out that your post is contradictory. You say the characters are lame but the main character is good?

AbovePsycho said:
and wtf was with the ending? Saying he doesn't have feelings because he's a monster.. pretty cliche lol

MrZumbify said:
I would prefer Shoko dead and MC avenge her during the series.

Shih said:
Where have I seen this "I'm no longer human" before... Right... It was in MADOKA.

Watching this makes me think that he is pathetic, where as in Madoka, I get sympathy towards the character.

Nice try Sunrise.

judojon said:
But yeah, having Haruto not confess because he is not human anymore is pretty damn lame.

ainky said:
So she's still alive huh?! This made lose my hope on this show...

ainky said:
So she's still alive huh?! This made lose my hope on this show...

eeveelugia said:
Also, the ending lyric describes the feelings of L-elf perfectly, it must be his theme song.