Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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| I just need yes or no from LN readers. Based on what we saw in the OP, are we gonna get some details and explanations on Subaru's life in the actual world? Will they ever explain how or why he got isekai'd? |
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| the opening sucks |
Rob7 said: @irondark30: Rob7 said: S1 - Ep. 24, around 6min. The meeting of Emilia with Wilhelm and Ram in the mansion. Ram also tells Emilia that Rosswall was heading there at the same time. ---------------------- They both have it. Subaru's one is hidden in his wrist under the indestructible sportsuit he brought from his world. Indestructible. Btw, in the Light Novel the one at Petra's pulse is not described in any moment because it would not make sense, since the charm is to the beloved one keep it, use it to remember the lady and retrieve it back. What means they skipped the lines AND added the second handkerchief on purpose to turn all the scene more a childish "let's keep it togheter", than a "it is actually a charm for you to marry me!" Btw, if i was Subaru in a REALLY "reality based" plot of a normal human summowned to a fantasy land, 1st i would not be killed several times because i would never stick my nose (nor my d*) in obvious dangerous matters involving creatures like half-elf, demi-human, demons, magicians... and would just stay with normal humans, find a honest way to survival, and a girl like Petra in 5 years later would be an amazing partner, that would not kill me with a simple punch or spell after the 1st usual couple quarrel. Petra is best (normal) girl (and normal is best)  petra is 12 dude... |
| Now we're talking. This came along really tidy, and rightly so, rightly so. If this season keeps up with this quality you're sure gettin' an 8 outta me. |
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As i said: "A girl like Petra in 5 years later... “ Btw, best girl (right now), not best waifu. (I know, 17 in pus* hypocritical countries/states is not legal, but in mine it is, also in Lugunica, so as in JP, and i just dont like the number 6) And thanks for the excuse for quote again the beauty growth Petra. |
Rob7Jul 16, 2020 7:27 AM
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| Great episode, I totally thought Echidna was Satella at first when I saw the posters and trailers and stuff then I found out she wasn't, though Echidna seems very interesting. OP was a banger yet again though, this show does not have any terrible soundtrack. Looking forward for the next episode. |
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| Ooohh that's an interesting encounter, Echidna the Witch of Greed |
| Surprised Subaru didn't realise Beatrice was referring to Betelgeuse after all the suffering he's put him through lol. Good to see Echidna bae in the end, she's lovely in that OP too! |
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nerfx said: Surprised Subaru didn't realise Beatrice was referring to Betelgeuse after all the suffering he's put him through lol. Good to see Echidna bae in the end, she's lovely in that OP too! Basuru was simply retarded at that moment: *So, what happened with the Archbishop of Sloth? (AKA PetelGEUSE?) - Dead, i killed him (a name ill never forget after so much crazy trauma, PetelGEUSE...) *Oh GEUSE, even you abandoned me. - wHo? ~ Whoaaayeeeaaayaaai~ |
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Rob7 said: nerfx said: Surprised Subaru didn't realise Beatrice was referring to Betelgeuse after all the suffering he's put him through lol. Good to see Echidna bae in the end, she's lovely in that OP too! Basuru was simply retarded at that moment: *So, what happened with the Archbishop of Sloth? (AKA PetelGEUSE?) - Dead, i killed him (a name ill never forget after so much crazy trauma, PetelGEUSE...) *Oh GEUSE, even you abandoned me. - wHo? ~ Whoaaayeeeaaayaaai~ Pretty much this haha. |
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| Ok so does Beatrice have that kind look when Subaru mentions that Guese has been killed off last season???? |
fullofregrets09 said: Well, at that time there were only five Sin Archbishops plus a vacant seat for the Sin Archbishop of Pride.I guess I was confused with the sub translation then,because in S1E22, Petelgeuse says "Of the six Sin Archbishops, only Pride's seat remains vacant" so I guess I misinterpreted that as thinking there were only 6 in total, and from those 6 only Pride's seat is vacant, which means there were only 5 Sin Archbishops. |
mozgowJul 16, 2020 11:39 AM
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AbsurdTurk said: I'm...actually kinda hyped. Okay so, the dialogue in this series is generally hammy, but this episode really made it worse with how expository it was. Ie, characters stating info that they already know. But I did really like the scene with Beatrice: I liked how her angry reaction to Subaru was because of the underlying subtext that she was upset about him killing Betelgeuse, whom she had some kind of connection with. But Subaru knows nothing about Witch Cult, Gospels or Witch Factor Betty didn't explain anything so I odn't get how that is artificial exposition? Its the same with Sanctuary, only Frederica has been there or knows anything about it so how is that her telling others what they already know? Although...I'm really confused by Subaru: before season 2, I always kept asking why Subaru never asked a single person about the Witch Cult to learn more about the origin of his powers, and maybe how he could get around his curse. So the fans defended my argument with, "Well, because the Witch is such a taboo topic, there's no way Subaru will get any info out of anyone about it unless they're a member of the Cult." (even though Subaru can just kill himself, painlessly even, and restart) But in this episode...Subaru showed one of those characters a gospel from the Cult, and asked about them. So...why didn't he do anything like that in season 1? You need to watch S1 again. He literally had round table discussion about them in episode 22 & 24. Nobody knew more than he did in fact they he know more. Subaru also hadn't hear about tell he started fining them in arc 3. However, I don't like how this show keeps introducing new characters, without developing the other ones, the ones whom keep getting killed off and whom we're supposed to care about. Except that hasn't happened and the one character most development in S1 was put in backburner. Introducing new characters fine especially when a new arc that doesn't involve the old ones, & there is no series that develops every single character appears on screen so I don't way expect here Re0's cast even all that large. Besides we have several returning character form Arc 2re appearing so it should be obvious that show shifts between characters depending on the arc & they get focus. I'm actually genuinely interested in the plot now: I heard from LN readers that this arc is going to be the longest, meaning that because that season 2 is one big arc, it's going to have a clear focus and direction, rather than bouncing all over the place like in season 1. I've also heard from LN readers that this arc will FINALLY actually develop Emilia, so hopefully I'll have a reason to care about her outside of her being a cute girl and a good person. S1 had pretty clear focus, and frankly if you don't like S1 i don't seehow you would 2 anyway. Arc 4 depended on Arc 1-3 & how much understand there. Despite this, I still am bothered by the contrasting tones of this show: the fact that in the same series where the MC gets brutally murdered multiple times, there is a fetishized trap (I have no problem with crossdressing; but when it's fetishized, it's hard to take seriously), characters overreacting, and a very go-happy color palette. It's like this series wants to be taken seriously, but not alienate viewers, so it becomes a mish-mash of all tones, trying to be everything, but being nothing, tone wise. I don't understand why fans of this show aren't the least bit bothered by this. I don't know what to say to you here. Most people don't have problem with any of that. You inability to take Ferris seriously because he dress like a girl or think characters are overreacting, the color palette or whatever is entirely personal. It doesn't see like remember much of story to begin with and are just complaining general mashing up all characters situations in your mind to make them sound like nonsense. Its as not as if need to watch the show if cna't care about most basic elements such as the characters. All the character have rational reason for why they act they why they do nor extremes like you said but if you aren't going to put in the effort to care there nothing the story can do. The paragraph just comes off as pushing your personal preferences over the show and think its wrong for not adhering to them instead accepting fictional elements are matter of taste |
Iron_MawJul 16, 2020 11:46 AM
Jagd84 said: AbsurdTurk said: I'm...actually kinda hyped. Okay so, the dialogue in this series is generally hammy, but this episode really made it worse with how expository it was. Ie, characters stating info that they already know. But I did really like the scene with Beatrice: I liked how her angry reaction to Subaru was because of the underlying subtext that she was upset about him killing Betelgeuse, whom she had some kind of connection with. But Subaru knows nothing about Witch Cult, Gospels or Witch Factor Betty didn't explain anything so I odn't get how that is artificial exposition? Witch Factor, Witch Factor... What did Beak.ashira~ said to Subarow...? Ah "the answers lies in the Sanctuary" Witch Factor... Sanctuary... Know what, would be great IF Subaru by coincidence meet a... WITCH... In the SANCTUARY! Right? Right? Basuru? |
Rob7Jul 16, 2020 12:28 PM
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| Damn a witch appears for real now. Are we gonna get a full roster of witch of every sin this season? We already got three archbishops of sin till now. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
AbsurdTurk said: @MonoReaper I mean...anyone who's watched or read several isekai would come to the same conclusion of what Re: Zero's trying to say. But Subaru is a white knight at the end: he is the hero at the end of the day whom everyone praises. He does get to hang out with very attractive girls who at the end of the day, respect him. If Re: Zero truly wanted to subvert our expectations, then Subaru wouldn't be the hero: he would be the villain. But because light novels are ultimately a business, creators have to take certain care to balance creativity and marketability. If Subaru was the villain of the story, I doubt Re: Zero would sell nearly as much. In the very 1st episode of season 1, the anime made jokes of Subaru when he thought he'd get his heroine and a super power. But then in that same episode, he does get a super power and a heroine. If Subaru is supposed to be a realistic depiction of a human being, why does he constantly yell at every opportunity and overreact? Why did season 1 refuse to reveal his backstory to justify his behavior, and get us to empathize with him? Why is it that if he's supposed to be mentally scarred, yet in season 2 he appears perfectly fine, mentally speaking? He was acting cheerful, bubbly, and obnoxious even before he kept being brutally murdered back in season 1. And why is it that Subaru never questions why he was isekai'd to begin with, why is it that he never questions why the Witch has it out for him? According to what LN readers have told me, this season will explain Subaru's backstory, but I don't think it's going to explain why he was isekai'd. Yes cause he falls back into typciall behavior to "pretend to be" till he dies so much that he has to overcome that acting & has to be donw to earth. Subaru is not a Hero never will be. If you dont understand that then nobody can help you with your train of thought. Yes they respect him after he saved everyone lives multiple times. In Iskeai XYZ the protag kills Monster A B & C who attack Female Archtype Number 130 & then they are madly in love with him & want to bear the Isekai MCs children. Here as well if you claim to understand what Re:Zero is doing but then at the same breath claim its doing what Isekai XYZ does you just contradict yourself but shows you have no real interest or clue what you are talking about. Which is why i called you a Keyboardwarrior in the main post cause to me its hilarious how you pick you own arugments and points apart by doing a 180 turn-around in the next few sentences. Creating a Villain/Antagonist as the MC. Think Think Think sounds like Overlord huh? But no just because you make the Iskeai MC a villain its not decontruction the gerne or subverting anything. All that says is you want to see a villain as MC. And there are several of these out there doing the same thing as any other Isekai. You just get more edgy one-lines then typical. (Tho Fun Fact as you forogt or didnt know. But Subaru barely keeps his sanity which is why we see in the "Whaf IF" storys Subaru going down extreme path in different timeline aka he joins the Witch Cult as Pride and goes ape shit, kill the entire cast Emilia, Ram, Rem etc etc with the help of Shaula, goes really apeshit in the Wrath scenario & lets not forget about the What IF Greed route) Subaur does not get a Suberpower. RbD is not Subaru but Satellas not letting him die. Again the plot has to be rolling & the fact that Subaur ended up at the specific location where Emilias pendant was stolen was also Satellas doing. Many seem to ignore or forget that Satella is pulling Subarus strings & she is always watching him. Subarus unaturall affection for Emilia at first glance is also something to think more about then just tropes cause that is important later on. The only thing Subaru has going for him is the fact he absorbs all Witchgenes like crazy which foreshadows something else aka "what he will turn into aka what he will become" Did you.....Did you even read what i said? Subaru on purpose acts like the Anime/Manga/LightNovel characters he knows about from Fiction cause he pretends to be like them. He acts & downplays the reality he is in & treats it like a typicall fantasy story. And he pays the price for it getting killed over and over again till he stops acting like that & takes it seriously. That so far happenend anytime. He had to stop acting like this is your typciall powerfantasay harem situation and face a reality where he can only move forward & survive with everyone if he accepts reality & stop pretending to be a Isekai MC like his favorite Anime. Subaru is awkward loner who doesnt talk much but by acting like the characters from the Anime he saw in his old world he keeps his act as "Natsuki Subaru" up. Why would they reveal his backstory? You are not the author. There are so many different story out there with different approches/order of events etc etc. There is no ironrule for things like that. Plus you arent supposed to sympathize/ empathize with Subaru. There is no need for justifycation of his actions. All you are supposed to learn about Subaru is him being a huge asshole in a fantasy world cause he is acting like the Iskeai MC from his favorite Anime/Manga/Lightnovels. He is ignoreing the reality around him till he hits the Witchcult arc where he is forced to reflect on his entire situation. Did you even watch the Anime? You ask questions that are already resolved in S1 or already touched upon in S1. If you really believe Subaru is mentally fine then sorry not so sorry but i cannot fix your own sociopathic traits/probelms. (That sounds harsher than it looks yikes my bad) because i cant help you if you truly claim you do not see him being mental & pretending to be fine while LITERALLY DYING OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. Like seriously i cannot help you with that and if i truly believe your words on that aka that means something is wrong with you as well if you cannot see how fucked up Subaru is. Well that is the Anime typicall problem of includeing all his inner monolouges aka Subaru talks about that but most of it is excluded from the Anime. For example Priscillas Knight Al is also someone from Earth & even talks about Subaru about that but this scene was cut from the Anime. Then we have several points where Subaru sees how Kararagi was influenced by Japan and regarding that history suspects a fellow human from Earth being the founder of that Nation. Or regarding Flugel Tree he comes to the conclusion that Flugel is from Earth as well not only because of the literal lines on the Tree but because he knows Flugel is from the German language. Aka all of that is the Animes decision to cut these monolouges and points Subaru makes over the journey. And regarding that why Subaru got isekaid. Like what? Watch Episode 1 again. See how Subaru is feeling weird start blinking. Then everything goes dark, then a dark shadow hand grabs him & the find himself inside a white haze, then he is in the capital city. Ergo we literaly know later who the shadow hand belong to aka Satella. The Witch of Envy grabbed Subaru accros dimensions & pulled him into this world. Since then Subaru has no other choice but to overcome the obstacles before him cause the Witch wont let him die till he reaches the endgoal of the Witch`s ambition. And ofc you wont get to know that because that is one of the 3 big mystery Tappei created for the reader aka when he solves all of them then the final story arc will conclude. |
swordmaster2551 said: Rob7 said: @irondark30: ---------------------- They both have it. Subaru's one is hidden in his wrist under the indestructible sportsuit he brought from his world. Indestructible. Btw, in the Light Novel the one at Petra's pulse is not described in any moment because it would not make sense, since the charm is to the beloved one keep it, use it to remember the lady and retrieve it back. What means they skipped the lines AND added the second handkerchief on purpose to turn all the scene more a childish "let's keep it togheter", than a "it is actually a charm for you to marry me!" Btw, if i was Subaru in a REALLY "reality based" plot of a normal human summowned to a fantasy land, 1st i would not be killed several times because i would never stick my nose (nor my d*) in obvious dangerous matters involving creatures like half-elf, demi-human, demons, magicians... and would just stay with normal humans, find a honest way to survival, and a girl like Petra in 5 years later would be an amazing partner, that would not kill me with a simple punch or spell after the 1st usual couple quarrel. Petra is best (normal) girl (and normal is best) petra is 12 dude... She's also not real... |
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| @AbsurdTurk First it wasnt a discussion to begin with. As you contradict yourself constantly and destory your own arguments you make within 2 sentences. Second i dont like Re:Zero. I dont like Isekai in general. Specificlly Re:Zero has huge portion i find boring. The only reason i watch Re:Zero is because of WhiteFox & i am curious how the Anime will adapt the story structure. Same goes for Tappeis webnovel&Lightnovel. I am interested in his way of frameing the story. Creaeting interaction/character dynamics & overall world building idears aka how he implements them into his works. Beyond that i dont care about the actual story or charcters. I am more the Sci-Fi/Mecha kind of guy. Then Fantasy. And now for my favorite part. I pull a pro Nerd move on you. Uummmmmmmm AcTuAlLy ThIs Is NoT a CarTOon but ANimE. Cause of cultural differences. Plus i did not insult you. I just stated what i observed about you in the past few post. Farewell Keyboardwarrior may you continue your unknown crusade on MALandia where you waste you time trying to argue about bad Anime & why you dont understand said Anime even tho you claim to watch them. |
MonoReaperJul 16, 2020 2:05 PM
| Another lackluster episode. The only highlight is the witch of greed. Subaru is the same edgy guy that simps on Emilia every chance he gets. His harem is growing, and another looping equals another shenanigan. Overall pretty meh episode. |
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| not feeling S2 at all - maybe it's just been too long between the seasons for me ... I'll try to keep watching, but I wonder if there are any interesting twists happening in the future episodes - after thinking about how the series works, Subaru's deaths and troubles seem kinda meaningless since he'll probably prevail in the end anyway T_T |
| Every time I listen to Beatrice speak, I only hear Kuroko... |
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FullyCharged said: I will now get angry if Subaru does not: - mention "return by death" - ask why did she transport him in that world and why him - ask why she can't just leave Emilia alone - literally all the stuff he came to the sanctuary to know about. If he starts rambling about Rem and digresses, I will get very very ANGERY. Also, seems like Satella cannot leave that place unless she uses a vessel to incarnate or something like that. Seems like she has no ostility towards Subaru for now, and she just want to chat. Well that's expected from a villain character voiced by Sakamoto Maaya (Quinella anyone? lol) And that Beatrice knew Romane Conti, hopefully before he went bad and mad, otherwise I will have so many questions about best girl from now ;_; And that Roswaal is for sure involved with the cult. We already knew that, but we all hoped he was against...let's hope it's a conspiracy lol When did Echidna become Satella? |
| Too much talking in this episode, I like my dialogue but some of the dialogue was pretty unnecessarily cringy and lacked any substance. The plot seems to be moving forward this time and now we finally got to meet the witch of greed. Nice OP too. |
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| Yo man what's with Beatrice why was she so sad after hearing about Betelguese's death? oh boy, ma..masaka??? |
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Rob7 said: Jagd84 said: But Subaru knows nothing about Witch Cult, Gospels or Witch Factor Betty didn't explain anything so I odn't get how that is artificial exposition? Witch Factor, Witch Factor... What did Beak.ashira~ said to Subarow...? Ah "the answers lies in the Sanctuary" Witch Factor... Sanctuary... Know what, would be great IF Subaru by coincidence meet a... WITCH... In the SANCTUARY! Right? Right? Basuru? AbsurdTurk said: I was talking about scenes like how Subaru was with Petra, where he restated things like how she worked away from her parents and whatnot, even though they both already know this information. But he doesn't. Its her first day he surprised to find her working there. Made you thin he's close to her family to that business? There is nothing that suggest that. Huh. In ep 22 & 24 Subaru has discussion with army forces about what they know about cult the before they went to attack them. In otherwords he already did what you said There are way too many characters from season 1 that barely had any screen time: Felt, Rom, the red haired swordsman, Otto. Instead of introducing new characters, why not use them? But the story did. Felt, Reinhard etc are not main characters, they are not required to be naturally present in every arc. What was the focus of season 1? Subaru getting isekai meeting Emilia and getting caught up in her quest for the throne. That intertwines with Witch Cult which worships Satella the Witch of Envy whom Emilia looks like and the person implied to have summoned him here. Ultimately it draws dawn to personnel preference, yes, but I never claimed I'm an "objective" critic. Still, I use logic to criticize most anime. I have seen other people criticize anime like Re: Zero for the hideous contrast between the dark and light hearted tones. You are not addressing my criticism itself; rather, you are saying that it's personnel and that's it. Any good story good has a balanced contrast between light & dark tones when necessary is not set one direction 90% of the time. Re:Zero is dark when needs and light when needs unless going for an intentional done surprise. Case in point for episodes 1 & 2. The first episode was dark and heavy literally because of the events happened in it. Episode 2 is light because not terrible has happened and characters in safe space for discussion and what not. There shouldn't any surprise or difficult following the tone. Its pretty cut & dry. The only character whose actions I can't make as much sense of is Subaru, for reasons that have been stated countless times. I don't see what so hard to make sense about Subaru's action unless you need to your project feelings on to him to do so. If you believe all my criticisms of Re: Zero come purely from personnel preference, then I do not know what to say; because I've spend paragraphs criticizing this show from a logical point of view, for the most part. I am addressing those criticisms from a logical point of view, that precisely why I am pushing back. I wouldn't do so otherwise because i have no way to defend said issues. There answers aren't coming from nowhere they are directly address in the narrative. |
Rob7 said: @irondark30: Rob7 said: S1 - Ep. 24, around 6min. The meeting of Emilia with Wilhelm and Ram in the mansion. Ram also tells Emilia that Rosswall was heading there at the same time. ---------------------- They both have it. Subaru's one is hidden in his wrist under the indestructible sportsuit he brought from his world. Indestructible. Btw, in the Light Novel the one at Petra's pulse is not described in any moment because it would not make sense, since the charm is to the beloved one keep it, use it to remember the lady and retrieve it back. What means they skipped the lines AND added the second handkerchief on purpose to turn all the scene more a childish "let's keep it togheter", than a "it is actually a charm for you to marry me!" Btw, if i was Subaru in a REALLY "reality based" plot of a normal human summowned to a fantasy land, 1st i would not be killed several times because i would never stick my nose (nor my d*) in obvious dangerous matters involving creatures like half-elf, demi-human, demons, magicians... and would just stay with normal humans, find a honest way to survival, and a girl like Petra in 5 years later would be an amazing partner, that would not kill me with a simple punch or spell after the 1st usual couple quarrel. Petra is best (normal) girl (and normal is best) oh thx for the reply, if theres doujin with Petra, pls kind share with me :) |
Kyoshudisikai said: oh thx for the reply, if theres doujin with Petra, pls kind share with me :) ahm ahm yes this post right here officer |
Jagd84 said: Rob7 said: Witch Factor, Witch Factor... What did Beak.ashira~ said to Subarow...? Ah "the answers lies in the Sanctuary" Witch Factor... Sanctuary... Know what, would be great IF Subaru by coincidence meet a... WITCH... In the SANCTUARY! Right? Right? Basuru? |
Rob7Jul 16, 2020 7:14 PM
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| to EmiNa They had to take care of the White Whale first. Subaru focused on one thing at a time. Everyone had to prepare for battle against the whale, so there wasn't much time left to discuss the Witch Cult that time. Once done with the White Whale (end of ep21) he moved to the next objective. I agree they're not main characters. But this show keeps introducing new supporting characters. For what purpose? The Beast Girl is a supporting character. Re:Zero is a very long show and has a big cast of characters. Everyone has their own roles to play (their purpose), and they'll be given focus when their time comes. For ex: Reinhard and few other characters introduced in Season 1 will be playing important roles in Season 3. Why not use the previous supporting characters instead? NANI?! Are you saying use Felt as Maid for Roswaal mansion? lol. One cannot re-use the same character for different roles. The Beast Girl and Garfiel have important roles to play this season. The Cult doesn't become a threat, and Emilia's quest for the throne, weren't brought up until halfway through the anime. If the first episode of Re: Zero started off with Subaru being transported, learning about Emilia's quest for the throne, and if more of his actions revolved around that, then I would consider the plot of season 1 to be about him getting mixed up with her quest for the throne. All the problems in Season 1 were related to either Emilia's quest for the throne or Witch Cult. (basically all tragedies around Emilia). 1st Arc:- Elsa (a.k.a the Bowel hunter) was a hired assassin to steal Emilia's insignia (which qualified her for the throne) or kill her. Elsa's employer wanted Emilia out of this quest. 2nd Arc:- (the Dogs attacking village) Re-watch the Roswaal & Ram conversation if Ep11 of Season 1. Here is the most important piece of information:- A ruler is expected to take responsibility for his/her domain. If something happens in Roswaal/Emilia's domain (i.e the village) then it will be viewed as Roswaal/Emilia's incompetency to protect their own domain. So clearly "someone" wanted to cause this trouble (mabeast master sending those dogs to attack village) to hurt Emilia & Roswaal's political reputation. Is there even more to it? How exactly is everything related? That you will find out eventually. I won't say due to spoiler reasons. 3rd Arc:- This Arc was directly related to Royal Selection and Witch Cult. But in Re: Zero that's not the case: when it's light hearted, it's extremely light hearted. When it's dark, it's extremely dark. Let me ask you this: what is the general tone of Re: Zero? What is it going for? I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. Very subjective opinion I think. But Re:Zero was never extremely light-hearted[/b]. Maybe few playful dialogues between characters here and there. But each episode overall is usually dark/tragic/sad to some extent. Even this episode (Ep2 of Season 2) is actually somewhat dark overall if you manage to notice all the foreshadowing and deeper meaning behind the dialogues (you'll be able to if you re-watch it AFTER you know all the future stuff). No, not just the one between Beatrice & Subaru, there was a lot more in this Episode (Puck not responding, scene with Frederica holding a letter and saying something, Emilia's insecurities, villagers not having returned, and few more) So...Re: Zero will eventually become a harem, somewhat. It depends on how you see it. The few other girls you mentioned who love the MC, those are for plot-related stuff (and not for unnecessary fanservice). And if you've seen Season 1, it is pretty apparent Subaru is fixated on Emilia. Which other "harem" show do you know where the MC actually REJECTS the other girl and stays true/loyal to his own feelings? Not only that but Subaru went ahead and confessed to Emilia. I don't think it happens in other "harem" show. The MCs there are pretty dense and mostly not aware of anything. And the romantic development is non-existent (the story ends with confession when the MC "finally" realizes whom he loves). In this case, end of season 1 marks only 15% completion of the entire Re:Zero's story. The MC confessing to the girl this early on is pretty unique in itself. And there's lot of development for Subaru and Emilia's relationship in this season & future seasons. So I don't see Re:Zero as a "harem". |
rakp333Jul 16, 2020 9:41 PM
rakp333 said: They had to take care of the White Whale first. Subaru focused on one thing at a time. Everyone had to prepare for battle against the whale, so there wasn't much time left to discuss the Witch Cult that time. Once done with the White Whale (end of ep21) he moved to the next objective. I meant way before episode 22. Like, much earlier in the series, why didn't Subaru ask anyone about the Witch? If it's so forbidden, why did he, in season 2, just straight up ask Beatrice about it? Why didn't he ask her about the Witch before? rakp333 said: Re:Zero is a very long show and has a big cast of characters. Everyone has their own roles to play (their purpose), and they'll be given focus when their time comes. For ex: Reinhard will be important in Season 3. Fair. rakp333 said: This is dumb. Are you saying use Felt as Maid for Roswaal mansion? lol. One cannot re-use the same character for different roles. The Beast Girl and Garfiel have roles to play this season. Which is why when writers create a story, they rearrange many elements and things. Felt could've been rewritten to fit in this role. rakp333 said: All the problems in Season 1 were related to either Emilia's quest for the throne or Witch Cult. (basically all tragedies around Emilia). 1st Arc:- Elsa (a.k.a the Bowel hunter) was a hired assassin to steal Emilia's insignia (which qualified her for the throne) or kill her. Elsa's employer wanted Emilia out of this quest. 2nd Arc:- Re-watch the Roswaal & Ram conversation if Ep11 of Season 1. Here is the most important piece of information:- How exactly these are related? That you will find out eventually. I won't say due to spoiler reasons. 3rd Arc:- This Arc was directly related to Royal Selection and Witch Cult. Alright, that's pretty fair. My problem though, is that throughout the entire series (I think that changes this season, according to LN readers), Subaru is not an active character: he's more reactive than he's active. He does not drive the plot forward; rather, the plot drives him forward. rakp333 said: I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. Very subjective opinion I think. But Re:Zero was never extremely light-hearted[/b]. Maybe few playful dialogues between characters here and there. Except those playful dialogues are extremely playful; and the color palette is extremely light hearted too. Fate/Stay Night Heaven's Feel is similar in that it's a very dark film series with very attractive colors, but the colors themselves are just dark enough to add a, shall we say, "Dark beauty" type aesthetic, something that Re: Zero isn't going for. rakp333 said: But each episode overall is usually dark/tragic/sad to some extent. Even this episode (Ep2 of Season 2) is actually somewhat dark overall Okay so if Re: Zero is meant to be dark, why doesn't the art style reflect that, aside from marketing purposes? rakp333 said: if you manage to notice all the foreshadowing and deeper meaning behind the dialogues (you'll be able to if you re-watch it AFTER you know all the future stuff). No, not just the one between Beatrice & Subaru, there was a lot more in this Episode (Puck not responding, one scene with Roswaal's letter, Emilia's insecurities, and many more) I may give praise to Re: Zero in the future, possibly, for its foreshadowing dialogue, but the dialogue in this series is awful: characters constantly overemphasize things they say, and restate information they already know, just so we the audience will learn (ie expository dialogue). Even Digibro and EndlessJess criticized the dialogue similarly in their review. rakp333 said: It depends on how you see it. The few other girls you mentioned who love the MC, those are for plot-related stuff (and not for unnecessary fanservice). Does the reason matter? In harem shows, the fact that the girls are in love with the MC plays huge roles in their dialogue and motivation. I don't think it's fair to just dismiss harem anime like that. In Re: Zero, even if most of the girls aren't in love with Subaru, he is still usually surrounded by very attractive girls. At some point, Rem's entire existence revolves around Subaru, so that's pandering. If we're willing to praise an isekai anime for simply not being an explicit harem, then I think our standards are very low. rakp333 said: And if you've seen Season 1, it is pretty apparent Subaru is fixated on Emilia. Which other "harem" show do you know where the MC actually REJECTS the other girl and stays true/loyal to his own feelings? Not only that but Subaru went ahead and confessed to Emilia also. I don't think it happens in other "harem" show. The MCs there are pretty dense and mostly not aware of anything. And the romantic development is non-existent (the story ends with confession when the MC "finally" realizes whom he loves). Bakemonogatari. Also, I don't see how this portion of your post dismantles the idea that Re: Zero is far from a harem: it is an anime where the protagonist is generally surrounded by very attractive females, 3 of whom are in love with him, and another whom he's in love with. rakp333 said: In this case, end of season 1 marks only 15% completion of the entire Re:Zero's story. The MC confessing to the girl this early on is pretty unique in itself. Not really. Bakemonogatari, Wotakoi, My Bride is a Mermaid, Momokuri, Koi to Uso, are all anime where the protagonist ends up in a relationship with someone very early on. rakp333 said: And there's lot of development for Subaru and Emilia's relationship in this season & future seasons. So I don't see Re:Zero as a "harem". Why wasn't that development present in season 1, where most of Subaru's actions revolved around Emilia, the one we're supposed to care about? |
| Haven't read the novel, and something's telling me half-beast maid is evil. Also, the handkerchief Subaru got from the little girl is either gonna be bloodstained or gone when he returns. Was kinda surprised when Beatrice reacted to Betelgeuse's notebook. Up until now the character's background hasn't been explored much, and now we learn that she's connected to ugly priest boy, even calling him by a nickname. Beatrice fans probably aren't happy. Rem fans probably aren't happy either, considering their girl probably isn't gonna get much screentime anytime soon. It's like she was so popular that KADOKAWA had to nerf her lul. Can't wait to meet Knuckles the Echidna and Garfield the cat |
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