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joe_g7 said: TitanAnteus said: Unlike Futoshi, we had time to warm up to Zorome. He even had his own little adventure, and proper screentime.Isn't that like objectively wrong. That's like saying Zorome's only character trait is that he's loud? I don't know about you, but before this episode, all I've seen Futoshi do is eat food and show a slight interest towards Kokoro. It's like asking me to care for a background character just because he's suddenly in the center of attention. It doesn't work that way. Dude's been trying to dispel fights from the start. The only other ally to Hiro outside of Gobro when he was feeling down in the beginning, and is an objectively competent pilot. Joined in on bullying Hiro to understand what a kiss is and actively tried to understand the concept of love. I won't deny that the Zorome centered episode characterized him more, but I'm saying that even before that, he wasn't just some loud-mouth as his clear and insane respect for the adults showed him as a simple and trusting person. If he was just a fatso than his actions this episode would've come off as a surprise. The extent at which he went to protect Kokoro would've been a surprise if all he was was a fatso, and the line that Guys are supposed to protect girls, and are you a man would've come off as a surprise. They characterized him decently enough that none of his actions felt out of character when he did them. Whether or not you like him is a different story. I hated how clingy he was to Kokoro and I cringe at his obsession towards her as well as how he puts her on a pedestal. I think that both he and Kokoro were at fault, so I'm kinda happy that he's out of that relationship and has room to actually grow more. |
| @TitanAnteus I think I missed that part at the end of Kill La Kill about sexuality since all the character's in that show except maybe Nui who is a psycho villain is straight? Phrasing was a little off, my bad. I meant I want this show to have a wholesome, all-encompassing message like "we're not all cut from the same thread" (as seen in KLK) but instead applied more directly to sexuality. That's the trajectory I THINK (and HOPE ) this show is going in. IIRC all the characters in KLK cept Nui were straight, or seemed to be written that way, save for the occasional MakoxRyuko yuri tease And apologies for the weird BBCode stuff. I'm on my phone and not used to the format. |
BongHits4ShinjiMar 25, 2018 11:46 PM
BongHits4Shinji said: @TitanAnteus I think I missed that part at the end of Kill La Kill about sexuality since all the character's in that show except maybe Nui who is a psycho villain is straight? Phrasing was a little off, my bad. I meant I want this show to have a wholesome, all-encompassing message like "we're not all cut from the same thread" (as seen in KLK) but instead applied more directly to sexuality. That's the trajectory I THINK (and HOPE ) this show is going in. Apologies for the weird BBCode stuff. I'm on my phone and not used to the format. Ehhh... Sexuality is such a small part of the show though. It's more a coming of age story. In this episode Mitsuru realizes that things happen in your relationships with other people and you deal with them as they come. That's something teenagers learn on their step towards adulthood. They learn about reproduction, about jealousy, and about their own sexuality. I do think all the characters will get redeemed in some way, but if they were to hyper-focus on the sexuality the show would really lose A LOT of the character buildup it's had so far. |
TitanAnteus said: That's what I'm saying. All you've said here happened during this episode. Almost all his characterization. But it takes more than a few lines of dialogue and 10 minutes to warm up to a character. I'm sorry, but I just can't care for what happened to Futoshi, maybe in time I'll warm up to him, but right now I couldn't care less about him.If he was just a fatso than his actions this episode would've come off as a surprise. The extent at which he went to protect Kokoro would've been a surprise if all he was was a fatso, and the line that Guys are supposed to protect girls, and are you a man would've come off as a surprise. They characterized him decently enough that none of his actions felt out of character when he did them. I hated how clingy he was to Kokoro and I cringe at his obsession towards her as well as how he puts her on a pedestal. I agree. Futoshi was definitely over-assuming the "relationship" he thought he had with Kokoro and it came back to bite him in the ass.I think that both he and Kokoro were at fault, so I'm kinda happy that he's out of that relationship and has room to actually grow more. |
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joe_g7 said: TitanAnteus said: That's what I'm saying. All you've said here happened during this episode. Almost all his characterization. But it takes more than a few lines of dialogue and 10 minutes to warm up to a character. I'm sorry, but I just can't care for what happened to Futoshi, maybe in time I'll warm up to him, but right now I couldn't care less about him.If he was just a fatso than his actions this episode would've come off as a surprise. The extent at which he went to protect Kokoro would've been a surprise if all he was was a fatso, and the line that Guys are supposed to protect girls, and are you a man would've come off as a surprise. They characterized him decently enough that none of his actions felt out of character when he did them. I hated how clingy he was to Kokoro and I cringe at his obsession towards her as well as how he puts her on a pedestal. I agree. Futoshi was definitely over-assuming the "relationship" he thought he had with Kokoro and it came back to bite him in the ass.I think that both he and Kokoro were at fault, so I'm kinda happy that he's out of that relationship and has room to actually grow more. What I'm saying is that they characterized him B4 this episode so that when he made those actions they didn't come out of left field. Let's say in episode 12 Ikuno decides to jump in front of a Ichigo to stop a klasaur lazer. You wouldn't be surprised. Ikuno clearly has a thing for Ichigo. They already showed that. What I'm saying is that it's the same with Futoshi. None of his actions came off as a surprise, because they already set his character up. They did it subtly but it happened. It didn't all just happen this episode, because most of this episode was the climax showing him ACTING on the character they've already built up. I legit can't hate Futoshi because he's so honest and straightforward with no intentions of actually hurting anyone. He's one of the ONLY character outside of Gobro who doesn't want to hurt anyone. Mitsuru wanted to emotionally hurt Hiro by taking 02 for himself. Ichigo hates 02 and doesn't want her so clingy with Hiro. Gobro... is the other exception. Kokoro is kinda heartless. Her decision was sensible, but she could've just talked to Futoshi about it. Even after getting dropped like that, he does all he can to protect her so she wasn't in any physical danger. She could've had a terrible reason and would've been totally fine. There's objectively no reason other than more drama for her not to communicate. ESPECIALLY when they setup the precedent that those two have the best communication among the pilots. Zorome treats Hiro like shit and hurts him emotionally when he thinks he's superior to him cause he's a pilot. Miku's just generally extreme towards Zorome but I guess she's cool otherwise. The dude is cringe. No doubt about that. At the same time, he's completely straightforward and honest, and doesn't want anyone to be hurt. |
TitanAnteusMar 25, 2018 11:59 PM
| @TitanAnteus Ehhh... Sexuality is such a small part of the show though. It's more a coming of age story. In this episode Mitsuru realizes that things happen in your relationships with other people and you deal with them as they come. That's something teenagers learn on their step towards adulthood. They learn about reproduction, about jealousy, and about their own sexuality. I do think all the characters will get redeemed in some way, but if they were to hyper-focus on the sexuality the show would really lose A LOT of the character buildup it's had so far. Really? A small part? The way those kids "pilot" the mecha has got to be one of the most overt innuendos I've ever seen. There's a whole mystery behind human reproduction and its erasure. Sexuality seems to be erased for the most part in adulthood, so these kids coming to terms with it now seems like an important, almost revolutionary step towards not only their own narratives but the world of Darling in the FranXX itself. The Pistil/Stamen references too. I understand it's coming of age, but I think that serves as an overall backdrop for promoting positive messages of embracing your sexuality. Again, though, this is me just hoping the Trigger writers are ballsy enough to write that in. I'm focusing way more on its meta-narrative themes as opposed to what happens in the story though lol..would like to see more Hiro and 02 tbh. |
| Oh, another fully character development episode, hurr durr Ok yes, I understand that, but man, I don't even recall the last episode were we got some main plot focus, hell, I don't even remember a 02 focused episode I hope the 2nd cour has 50/50: going forward with the real deal while characters growing in their relationships and teenage dramas An "action" show like this can't maintain forever character's development episodes, leave that to Slice of life |
Fate_warrior95Mar 26, 2018 12:07 AM
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BongHits4Shinji said: @TitanAnteus Ehhh... Sexuality is such a small part of the show though. It's more a coming of age story. In this episode Mitsuru realizes that things happen in your relationships with other people and you deal with them as they come. That's something teenagers learn on their step towards adulthood. They learn about reproduction, about jealousy, and about their own sexuality. I do think all the characters will get redeemed in some way, but if they were to hyper-focus on the sexuality the show would really lose A LOT of the character buildup it's had so far. Really? A small part? The way those kids "pilot" the mecha has got to be one of the most overt innuendos I've ever seen. There's a whole mystery behind human reproduction and its erasure. Sexuality seems to be erased for the most part in adulthood, so these kids coming to terms with it now seems like an important, almost revolutionary step towards not only their own narratives but the world of Darling in the FranXX itself. The Pistil/Stamen references too. I understand it's coming of age, but I think that serves as an overall backdrop for promoting positive messages of embracing your sexuality. Again, though, this is me just hoping the Trigger writers are ballsy enough to write that in. I'm focusing way more on its meta-narrative themes as opposed to what happens in the story though lol..would like to see more Hiro and 02 tbh. But like... only two of them are gay... maybe? I don't know... I feel like it's Shinsekai Yori over again. People overfocusing on the fact that the entire cast is genetically forced to become bisexual, and ignoring why or what that means for the society. Like for real, two of the characters might have that coming to terms with their sexuality problem. 1 DEFINITELY does, but that's just a part of growing up as a whole, and being that it's just a part of growing up as a whole, I hope it remains a part of the series's focus as a whole. I hope I'm making sense here, because sometimes, I write in a way that makes it hard for people to understand where I'm coming from. Not attacking you or anything btw. Just trying to have a civil discussion. |
| @TitanAnteus Nono you're fine! I understand you completely and I'm not trying to attack either lol. You bring up a great point that this particular issue IS just with two characters. I guess it would just be kind of a shame if they didn't incorporate those side stories into some larger commentary. I just really hope they don't toss the idea out, and wrap it up with "yep that's a thing and that's life and a part of growing up I guess?" There's some seriously progressive statements that could be made, especially with Japan's generally conservative mindset towards these things (for example how the school system treats transgender students). Though the more I think about it the more my hopes are dashed as...yeah it's really just Ikuno and Mitsuru atm. Then again, if there were to be a KLK-style moral to this show as of now, what do you think it would be? I feel like just labeling these conflicts as coming-of-age or "growing up is hard" is too generic. Definitely leaning towards something even more universal than that. I'm biased in my thoughts though, and it's getting waaay late. I'm probably not making much sense at this point lol. Still wanna hear your thoughts tho |
BongHits4Shinji said: @TitanAnteus Nono you're fine! I understand you completely and I'm not trying to attack either lol. You bring up a great point that this particular issue IS just with two characters. I guess it would just be kind of a shame if they didn't incorporate those side stories into some larger commentary. I just really hope they don't toss the idea out, and wrap it up with "yep that's a thing and that's life and a part of growing up I guess?" There's some seriously progressive statements that could be made, especially with Japan's generally conservative mindset towards these things (for example how the school system treats transgender students). Though the more I think about it the more my hopes are dashed as...yeah it's really just Ikuno and Mitsuru atm. Then again, if there were to be a KLK-style moral to this show as of now, what do you think it would be? I feel like just labeling these conflicts as coming-of-age or "growing up is hard" is too generic. Definitely leaning towards something even more universal than that. I'm biased in my thoughts though, and it's getting waaay late. I'm probably not making much sense at this point lol. Still wanna hear your thoughts tho I for one am a COMPLETE sucker for coming of age stories because they can all handle it differently. The way they're handling Futoshi right now is so engaging. He's putting a girl up on a pedestal and he lost her because of it. Coming to terms with the fact that you have to move on if a girl doesn't like you is also a part of growing up but media rarely tackles that. I feel like Franxx is in a unique position to handle coming of age as the adults aren't a part of their lives. They have to discover sexuality on their own. They have to discover jealousy on their own and all that. If there was to be a KLK style moral of the story, I'd really like it to be something like Time heals all wounds. All the characters have or will hurt each other in some way emotionally, but it's already shown that as time passes things will get better and that you can grow from it. I want a redemption for all the characters and I want them all to respect and protect each other. Ikuno has absolutely no romantic chance with anyone, but at the same time, I want her to confess, get hurt, and stay friends with Ichigo. |
| Mitsuru is a worst crybaby than Evangelion's Shinji (hmmm, funny now those mechas can turn berserk as EVAs) Kokoro... without hesitation says to fat-dude they will be together and then straight on to cheat... wtf... you damn thot! Hated how the staff never decided on showing Futoshi's feelings as comedy or drama... didn't like the script/direction of this episode, it turned Kokoro into a hypocrite, Mitsuru went full whiny B*tch and Futoshi is a fat-boy-joke. Judging by the clear sexual metaphore content of the series... Mitsuru and Ikuno are probably homosexual, right? |
| I'll fade away and classify myself as obsolete! Obsolete!! |
| What happened to 02 this episode? She seemed a lot different. |
TrustMeImLyiing said: What happened to 02 this episode? She seemed a lot different. She become different since episode 10, when she growing a fang . |
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Ishkoten said: CoolitzHubertXVI said: The one I can think of is Accel World, but he's the main characterSeriously, are there any other Animes that have a better written fat male character that gets treated well by the Author/Creators ? Except fatty in Accel World is an unlikable, unrelatable piece of shit and Accel World is a crap show. |
| I've been deffending this anime slow pace and world building for a while. Until this episode, my score was a 10. And I was actually expecting It to be another episode about Mitsuro or Kokoro - but It was plain boring. We got really few to work with in adding another puzzle piece to the world, and got a simple resolution, emotion wise, for the partner change. "Sometimes people are shit and break promises. Now move on." This was completely generic, and also didnt give us any perspective on the other characters affected by the partner change. Mitsuro was the only one that got development, even tho Futoshi was the one actually suffering. And they simply end Futoshi jealous and heartbreak with a punch in the face, Kokoro worried about Mitsuro ( that couldnt care less whos he with, If it's not Hiro). In the world building was disappponting too. The only thing they gave us, was something about a vaccine to increase yellow cells, and Hiro losing his memory. I know we will probably get another episode ir 2 developing the characters, but I hope we get a little more, like ALL Episodes before this one. Dropping from a 10/10 to 8/10 |
lostduckstarMar 26, 2018 4:04 AM
~Am I invisible on the internet too?~ WHY CAN'T I STOP LISTENING KOKKOKU OP? oh....thats right. That's the cause  See you Space Cowdog. |
| Can the dumb fatass die already? We know someone has to so how about taking out the trash, he really won't be missed. 02 can go to hell as well. Come to think about it, this series has one of the most unlikeable cast I've seen in a long time. |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
AmirNajjar said: 556, Kokoro, the worst girl of Winter 2018. I mean, seriously, her sudden change of character doesn't make any sense. Did she break? What sudden change of character? What makes you think that she was being honest about her feelings in the first place? She just abandoned the fatass because she had a chance to. He was weak clingy and boooring. |
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| This was really stressing. Starting to hate this anime :/ |
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TitanAnteus said: I for one am a COMPLETE sucker for coming of age stories because they can all handle it differently. The way they're handling Futoshi right now is so engaging. He's putting a girl up on a pedestal and he lost her because of it. Coming to terms with the fact that you have to move on if a girl doesn't like you is also a part of growing up but media rarely tackles that. I feel like Franxx is in a unique position to handle coming of age as the adults aren't a part of their lives. They have to discover sexuality on their own. They have to discover jealousy on their own and all that. If there was to be a KLK style moral of the story, I'd really like it to be something like Time heals all wounds. All the characters have or will hurt each other in some way emotionally, but it's already shown that as time passes things will get better and that you can grow from it. I want a redemption for all the characters and I want them all to respect and protect each other. Ikuno has absolutely no romantic chance with anyone, but at the same time, I want her to confess, get hurt, and stay friends with Ichigo. How is time going to heal all wounds with 02 though? Aging is literally turning her into a monster as evidenced by the fangs, and it seems pretty irreversible. Then again I thought the dino aids was permanent and Hiro just overcame that shit in 5 seconds. I feel like the message is going to pertain to the fact that humans need flaws and emotions (and a sex drive tbh) to really be human. Else, they're just popping happiness pills and living a false, rather dystopian reality. Seems like Dr. FranXX is trying to facilitate that more freeform behavior, at least. A perfectly efficient society is not necessarily the right way to go. I dunno, lots of big themes that can be tackled with this setting, but I'm not sure if time heals all wounds works outside of the world of the pilots/parasites. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what goes on in episode 12, though I'm kinda hoping it's a Trigger fight ep again just 'cause i love Trigger's animation lol |
| This episode reminded me of the time my girlfriend explained to me that there's few things girls find less attractive than desperation. You can be a nice guy, but that doesn't mean surrendering your dignity. Watching Futoshi last episode we were both practically yelling at him to buck the fuck up. With luck Ikuno will help him in that regard. Also, can we take a minute to acknowledge that somehow Zorome and Miku have the most drama-free relationship of anyone despite always being at each others throats? I love it xD |
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| It's hard to hold Kokoro's decision against her even if you limit the whole situation to their talk in the Franxx. Fat twat basically forced the "promise" out of her with whining. I find Mitsutu's really lame reason for antagonising 02's bitch and his disturbing obsession with him much more jarring than this supposed "betrayal". |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
1032patrick said: ipigstine said: But his attitude towards Hiiro is too much. Too cocky and he hated Hiiro for a promise. It was not betrayal, he just forgot.How the hell was Mitsuru supposed to know Hiro was experimented on? They were all indoctrinated kids, even if he knew about it , the adults would probably wipe his memory or some shit. This is correct. Hiro has risked his life to save Mitsuru on multiple occasions and has made it clear he's open to communication. Mitsuru has risked the lives of his teammates COUNTLESS times and the reason is dumb. ipigstine said: 1032patrick said: But his attitude towards Hiiro is too much. Too cocky and he hated Hiiro for a promise. It was not betrayal, he just forgot. Yeah and fatty hates Mitsuru because Kokoro broke her promise. Fatty’s attitude towards Mitsuru is too much Fatty hates Mitsuru because Mitsuru almost killed Kokoro. Mitsuru also completely made light of his feelings. |
| As garbage as this series has been, Kokoro didn't... actually do anything worthy of people really getting mad at her about. What are these kinds of anime fans even watching this show for? I mean, it's a lot more logical to be annoyed at Futoshi for forcing a spur-of-the-moment promise out of Kokoro (seriously, is anyone sympathizing with his logic? Wait, don't answer that) and annoyed at the show's writers that in the same episode would try to create tension out of that instead of... building up to it for even the next episode. Kokoro is just a symptom of the show's writing problems, but she herself didn't actually do anything worthy of scorn. I mean, like: SoraSenpai said: Yeah Futoshi was being super creepy with Kokoro but that was him basically being over affectionate. Kokoro is a fucking bitch for wanting to switch partners especially wanting to be partners with Mitsuru. I mean I get she has an interest in Mitsure and it's not fair to judge her based on that. but don't make a promise you know you're not going to fucking keep! It just sucks how the fat guys fucking loses again. I fucking hate that. Kokoro is a KokoHO (lulz?) Now his new partner Ikuno is basically confirmed to wanting to be in a relationship with Ichigo. So where does that leave Futoshi? Back to being a single man in the end. Fucking sucks man. This kind of reaction blows my mind. Do you people know how emotions and feelings and pressure and real-world relationships in general work? This episode did a great job of also making me way less sympathetic to Mitsuru than any other boy, even Futoshi (actually when I think about it, nah, this isn't true), and they did a decent job making Zorome stand out, a character I didn't like before. He did at least get a bit better by the end but still is a drag. At this point, I don't even know what the show wants to do or wants to offer. Zero fucking idea, and not in a good way. |
DecibelleMar 26, 2018 12:41 PM
kie_ said: So they concluded the anime with some feminist shit... Markdoka said: The ones hating this anime are MOSTLY SJWs, yaoifags and Narutards. LUCKILY I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE DAMN SJWS, YAOIFAGS AND NARUTARDS bashing the show for being "too edgy" and "too un-PC". |
Decibelle said: As garbage as this series has been, Kokoro didn't... actually do anything worthy of people really getting mad at her about. What are these kinds of anime fans even watching this show for? I mean, it's a lot more logical to be annoyed at Futoshi for forcing a spur-of-the-moment promise out of Kokoro (seriously, is anyone sympathizing with his logic? Wait, don't answer that) and annoyed at the show's writers that in the same episode would try to create tension out of that instead of... building up to it for even the next episode. Kokoro is just a symptom of the show's writing problems, but she herself didn't actually do anything worthy of scorn. I mean, like: Regarding, Kokoro she kind of admits it herself that she hurt someone. The thing is, her actions weren't directly wrong but more indirectly. She should've just told him and not flirted with him. Leading him along the nose like that isn't good. There were other partners with much more professional relationships, so it's not like she was even pressured to act that way towards Futoshi. It's good though. They're kids. As long as they grow and learn from mistakes it's all good. It's kind of impossible for me to hate Futoshi. The guy's a spaz. No lie a complete spaz. Overbearing as all heck and everything, but at the same time he's honest and straightforward. A little communication and he'd most likely back off. He risks his life to save Kokoro, and thinks the world of her(his mistake) so yeah... she was completely safe in telling him she didn't like how things were between the two of them. This is why even though both of them fucked up, I'm harder on Kokoro then Futoshi. He also handled the breakup alright. Decibelle said: This kind of reaction blows my mind. Do you people know how emotions and feelings and pressure and real-world relationships in general work? This episode did a great job of also making me way less sympathetic to Mitsuru than any other boy, even Futoshi (actually when I think about it, nah, this isn't true), and they did a decent job making Zorome stand out, a character I didn't like before. He did at least get a bit better by the end but still is a drag. At this point, I don't even know what the show wants to do or wants to offer. Zero fucking idea, and not in a good way. Nah, I hate Mitsuru now. First he tries to pilot with 02 in order to deliberately hurt Hiro's feelings, and makes Ikuno feel like she's worthless. Then he's completely apathetic to Futoshi's feelings making light of them, cause you know... it makes sense for him to be that apathetic when he went through the same thing right.../s All the while Hiro's risked his life to save Mitsuru and has put in every effort to be on good terms with him. His edginess is nonsensical. |
TitanAnteusMar 26, 2018 1:05 PM
Decibelle said: As garbage as this series has been, Kokoro didn't... actually do anything worthy of people really getting mad at her about. What are these kinds of anime fans even watching this show for? I mean, it's a lot more logical to be annoyed at Futoshi for forcing a spur-of-the-moment promise out of Kokoro (seriously, is anyone sympathizing with his logic? Wait, don't answer that) and annoyed at the show's writers that in the same episode would try to create tension out of that instead of... building up to it for even the next episode. Kokoro is just a symptom of the show's writing problems, but she herself didn't actually do anything worthy of scorn. I mean, like: SoraSenpai said: Yeah Futoshi was being super creepy with Kokoro but that was him basically being over affectionate. Kokoro is a fucking bitch for wanting to switch partners especially wanting to be partners with Mitsuru. I mean I get she has an interest in Mitsure and it's not fair to judge her based on that. but don't make a promise you know you're not going to fucking keep! It just sucks how the fat guys fucking loses again. I fucking hate that. Kokoro is a KokoHO (lulz?) Now his new partner Ikuno is basically confirmed to wanting to be in a relationship with Ichigo. So where does that leave Futoshi? Back to being a single man in the end. Fucking sucks man. This kind of reaction blows my mind. Do you people know how emotions and feelings and pressure and real-world relationships in general work? This episode did a great job of also making me way less sympathetic to Mitsuru than any other boy, even Futoshi (actually when I think about it, nah, this isn't true), and they did a decent job making Zorome stand out, a character I didn't like before. He did at least get a bit better by the end but still is a drag. At this point, I don't even know what the show wants to do or wants to offer. Zero fucking idea, and not in a good way. It's the manner in which she approached the subject. She immediately said "yeah Ill switch" Instead of going to Futoshi and saying "Hey man I know your my partner, but I would like to test out a partner switch. Please understand." The adults did not need an answer right away. That's what's upsetting is that she never hesitates wanting to switch partners. Now yeah I went overboard calling her a "fucking bitch", however was there really any reason why she wanted the partner change? |
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TitanAnteus said: Decibelle said: As garbage as this series has been, Kokoro didn't... actually do anything worthy of people really getting mad at her about. What are these kinds of anime fans even watching this show for? I mean, it's a lot more logical to be annoyed at Futoshi for forcing a spur-of-the-moment promise out of Kokoro (seriously, is anyone sympathizing with his logic? Wait, don't answer that) and annoyed at the show's writers that in the same episode would try to create tension out of that instead of... building up to it for even the next episode. Kokoro is just a symptom of the show's writing problems, but she herself didn't actually do anything worthy of scorn. I mean, like: Regarding, Kokoro she kind of admits it herself that she hurt someone. The thing is, her actions weren't directly wrong but more indirectly. She should've just told him and not flirted with him. Leading him along the nose like that isn't good. There were other partners with much more professional relationships, so it's not like she was even pressured to act that way towards Futoshi. It's good though. They're kids. As long as they grow and learn from mistakes it's all good. It's kind of impossible for me to hate Futoshi. The guy's a spaz. No lie a complete spaz. Overbearing as all heck and everything, but at the same time he's honest and straightforward. A little communication and he'd most likely back off. He risks his life to save Kokoro, and thinks the world of her(his mistake) so yeah... she was completely safe in telling him she didn't like how things were between the two of them. This is why even though both of them fucked up, I'm harder on Kokoro then Futoshi. He also handled the breakup alright. Decibelle said: This kind of reaction blows my mind. Do you people know how emotions and feelings and pressure and real-world relationships in general work? This episode did a great job of also making me way less sympathetic to Mitsuru than any other boy, even Futoshi (actually when I think about it, nah, this isn't true), and they did a decent job making Zorome stand out, a character I didn't like before. He did at least get a bit better by the end but still is a drag. At this point, I don't even know what the show wants to do or wants to offer. Zero fucking idea, and not in a good way. Nah, I hate Mitsuru now. First he tries to pilot with 02 in order to deliberately hurt Hiro's feelings, and makes Ikuno feel like she's worthless. Then he's completely apathetic to Futoshi's feelings making light of them, cause you know... it makes sense for him to be that apathetic when he went through the same thing right.../s All the while Hiro's risked his life to save Mitsuru and has put in every effort to be on good terms with him. His edginess is nonsensical. I agree 100% with these statements. |
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TitanAnteus said: Regarding, Kokoro she kind of admits it herself that she hurt someone. The thing is, her actions weren't directly wrong but more indirectly. She should've just told him and not flirted with him. Leading him along the nose like that isn't good. There were other partners with much more professional relationships, so it's not like she was even pressured to act that way towards Futoshi. It's good though. They're kids. As long as they grow and learn from mistakes it's all good. But Kokoro isn't Zero Two, or Ichigo, or Miku, or Ikuno, right? Just like Futoshi isn't Hiro, or Goro, or Zorome, or Mitsuru. Like that's one of the things these characterization episodes have been (attempting) to highlight, is the difference between all of them and how they react to new emotions and feelings and revelations. So Kokoro isn't the kind of person to straight-up be honest with everyone, which has resulted in hurt feelings before (which is one of the things she alludes to in her talk with Mitsuru). You're right though; all of them can grow from their mistakes. It's kind of impossible for me to hate Futoshi. The guy's a spaz. No lie a complete spaz. Overbearing as all heck and everything, but at the same time he's honest and straightforward. A little communication and he'd most likely back off. He risks his life to save Kokoro, and thinks the world of her(his mistake) so yeah... she was completely safe in telling him she didn't like how things were between the two of them. This is why even though both of them fucked up, I'm harder on Kokoro then Futoshi. He also handled the breakup alright. Following from above, Futoshi is the kind of guy who is absolutely, to a fault, straightforward. That's why he makes such a dramatic overbearing promise to Kokoro, which... she's not the kind to either just accept or just reject. The episode was about how different people react to promises, after all, and she had maybe the most nuanced approach to it. Plus, it can be the case where women feel some kind of external pressure to be nice to a guy, even if the guy himself is nice. (As I'm about to hit submit I see Qurikiness's post from the Kokoro defense thread, which succiently describes it better.) As for Futoshi handling it alright? The vast majority of his appearances after Kokoro offers to be Mitsuru's partner is him either bawling his eyes out or wanting to punch Mitsuru, and then he just collapses to the floor in front of them at the end and cries anyway. I definitely would not consider that "handling it well". He certainly handled it the way he could handle it. Quirkiness101 said: I think it was mostly the idea that without a means of swapping pilots she may have worried that voicing her concerns would either interfere with their performance. The series already had tried to establish her as someone who strives for conflict avoidance so it doesn't seem out of character to me. ^^^ Decibelle said: Nah, I hate Mitsuru now. First he tries to pilot with 02 in order to deliberately hurt Hiro's feelings, and makes Ikuno feel like she's worthless. Then he's completely apathetic to Futoshi's feelings making light of them, cause you know... it makes sense for him to be that apathetic when he went through the same thing right.../s All the while Hiro's risked his life to save Mitsuru and has put in every effort to be on good terms with him. His edginess is nonsensical. He's always been an edgelord though. The entire cast from the get-go has been one-dimensional, and it's only been recently that anyone who's not Hiro, Ichigo, 02, and (to a much lesser extent) Goro is getting actual character development. So it depends on your type of flavor, and I find Mitsuru's brooding edgelord nonsense to be more engaging and leaving room for further nuance than Futoshi's continuous and straightforward upbeat demeanor. Yeah, he's a fuck, but I'd rather see scenes involving him, especially after this episode. That said, I think it's not a controversial thing to say that the both of them (and Ikuno and Kokoro) would be much better with actual further development. |
kie_ said: So they concluded the anime with some feminist shit... Markdoka said: The ones hating this anime are MOSTLY SJWs, yaoifags and Narutards. LUCKILY I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE DAMN SJWS, YAOIFAGS AND NARUTARDS bashing the show for being "too edgy" and "too un-PC". |
SoraSenpai said: It's the manner in which she approached the subject. She immediately said "yeah Ill switch" Instead of going to Futoshi and saying "Hey man I know your my partner, but I would like to test out a partner switch. Please understand." The adults did not need an answer right away. That's what's upsetting is that she never hesitates wanting to switch partners. Now yeah I went overboard calling her a "fucking bitch", however was there really any reason why she wanted the partner change? This I can actually agree to. That said, the viewpoint of "Kokoro is always inconsiderate and cold and cruel to others" doesn't fit, and by that same token, the viewpoint of "Kokoro is always gentle and soft-spoken and kind" doesn't fit. That could be explained by her just being a person, because people can be inconsistent and paradoxical, but given the way the show's played out these 11 episodes, I'm willing to chalk that up to bad writing, much as I am willing to chalk, well... any character's development this episode up to bad writing. |
kie_ said: So they concluded the anime with some feminist shit... Markdoka said: The ones hating this anime are MOSTLY SJWs, yaoifags and Narutards. LUCKILY I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE DAMN SJWS, YAOIFAGS AND NARUTARDS bashing the show for being "too edgy" and "too un-PC". |
Decibelle said: Following from above, Futoshi is the kind of guy who is absolutely, to a fault, straightforward. That's why he makes such a dramatic overbearing promise to Kokoro, which... she's not the kind to either just accept or just reject. The episode was about how different people react to promises, after all, and she had maybe the most nuanced approach to it. Plus, it can be the case where women feel some kind of external pressure to be nice to a guy, even if the guy himself is nice. (As I'm about to hit submit I see Qurikiness's post from the Kokoro defense thread, which succiently describes it better.) As for Futoshi handling it alright? The vast majority of his appearances after Kokoro offers to be Mitsuru's partner is him either bawling his eyes out or wanting to punch Mitsuru, and then he just collapses to the floor in front of them at the end and cries anyway. I definitely would not consider that "handling it well". He certainly handled it the way he could handle it. When he sees Kokoro he tries to keep it together and wishes her luck in her new endeavors. Still wanting to keep her safe he tries to make Mitsuru promise that he'll do his best in that regard. He can't keep it together in the end, but he's putting in the effort. He breaks down and cries, but that's on his own time. He never runs to Kokoro or makes her feel like shit for the decision she made. During combat, even though he's an emotional wreck he's completely capable, unlike legit EVERY other character in the show. In my opinion, getting emotionally wrecked but still acting in the best interests of everyone is handling it VERY WELL. If he just didn't react emotionally it wouldn't make sense. Regarding the punches to Mitsuru. They are allies that fight and risk their lives for each other, and Mitsuru is completely apathetic towards his feelings and in turn Kokoro's. At the end when Futoshi punches Mitsuru, it's because Mitsuru almost killed Kokoro. Like objectively... Mitsuru let go of the controls. He's piloting for two and doesn't think of the life of his partner. Decibelle said: He's always been an edgelord though. The entire cast from the get-go has been one-dimensional, and it's only been recently that anyone who's not Hiro, Ichigo, 02, and (to a much lesser extent) Goro is getting actual character development. So it depends on your type of flavor, and I find Mitsuru's brooding edgelord nonsense to be more engaging and leaving room for further nuance than Futoshi's continuous and straightforward upbeat demeanor. Yeah, he's a fuck, but I'd rather see scenes involving him, especially after this episode. That said, I think it's not a controversial thing to say that the both of them (and Ikuno and Kokoro) would be much better with actual further development. No what I'm saying is, I'm fine with him being an edglord if his reason's good... but it's not. In fact it's terrible if you think of his actions towards Hiro and how Hiro reacted. It'd be fine if Hiro hated him, or if Hiro didn't try to communicate with him or risk his life to save him despite his dickery, but no. Everything he's feeling is completely nonsensical if you look at it in the context of the events that they've gone through. Everyone else behaving the way they do makes sense. This was supposed to be some big reveal making us feel bad for Mitsuru. To want to take his side like Kokoro wants to but, it comes across as so frighteningly trivial when you look at it in the context of the whole show that it absolutely ruins his character. I mean seriously. Think back on his actions that risked and endangered the lives of his teammates prior. Think aback on how he almost got Ikuno killed, and how he made Ikuno feel like shit while trying to emotionally hurt Hiro by trying to pilot with 02. Then look at his reasoning. Everyone understands that people's lives are in danger. Gobro basically almost sacrifices himself knowing that. He's already got his dream. He's already a pilot with Hiro and Hiro holds no animosity towards him even if he treats Hiro like shit. |
TitanAnteusMar 26, 2018 1:44 PM
All fair, even if I still can't get on board with Futoshi after your post. The only thing I'll say is that Mitsuru had no idea what happened to Hiro, even in hindsight. We get that luxury of knowing, he doesn't. Otherwise you're pretty much right. And yeah; the show does want us to feel bad for him. But that bad writing... |
kie_ said: So they concluded the anime with some feminist shit... Markdoka said: The ones hating this anime are MOSTLY SJWs, yaoifags and Narutards. LUCKILY I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE DAMN SJWS, YAOIFAGS AND NARUTARDS bashing the show for being "too edgy" and "too un-PC". |
Decibelle said: All fair, even if I still can't get on board with Futoshi after your post. The only thing I'll say is that Mitsuru had no idea what happened to Hiro, even in hindsight. We get that luxury of knowing, he doesn't. Otherwise you're pretty much right. And yeah; the show does want us to feel bad for him. But that bad writing... What I'm saying is it doesn't matter XD You don't need to know that Hiro forgot. You don't need any of that. The most important thing is, he gets what he wants, and his relationship with Hiro isn't terrible. For real though, Futoshi's cringe as fuck. Being cringe is a good enough reason to not be on boat with him, but if you actually look at his actions, he does nothing wrong. |
ipigstine said: When a flawed character stays the same, fans complain about lack of character dev. When a flawed character changes for the better, fans complain about his past mistakes like as if it ended the world. Jesus christ make up your mind But no one wanted him to stay the same XD. Yes Mitsuru might have changed for the better, but there has been no proof of that since he has yet to interact with Hiro yet. I'm just judging him as he is right now in the recent episode. |
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 02 has major issues confronting her own emotions, and prefers to just let her actions speak for her because of this. In this scene hiro remember the advice of dr franxx? she's keeping Hiro completely in the dark about herself.... hiro force! insist! I captured this forogram, 02 looks sad  here it seems that 02 is really opening up with hiro  she does "really?" - it seems that she starts to open up but soon after because she refuses him, saying that it is a great nuisance to just drive the strelitzia to understand each other. She treats him like the other children ... Then in the fight, you could see that 02 was not clear, as if fighting was an outlet for something that makes you suffer 02 ... I can not understand why she behaves like that against hiro .. Will she be afraid to let go? |
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RyoKei-san said: Since there's like a week space in between episodes, I find myself quite disconnected from the story line anyway I usually binge completed stuff. So watching ongoing stuff is kinda rare for me. Sure, great, interpret 'I'm not in a rush' as 'I don't want story'. Very nice, ignore my preferred pacing for this series and claim something ridiculous. Fine, be like that.[/quote] this is literally what you said yourself |
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Comander-07 said: RyoKei-san said: Since there's like a week space in between episodes, I find myself quite disconnected from the story line anyway I usually binge completed stuff. So watching ongoing stuff is kinda rare for me. Sure, great, interpret 'I'm not in a rush' as 'I don't want story'. Very nice, ignore my preferred pacing for this series and claim something ridiculous. Fine, be like that. this is literally what you said yourself[/quote] Exactly, disconnected enough to not mind a slow pace. Must you insist on interpreting things only one way? |
| Wow, Franxx just had two good episodes in a row, i think that was a first. I actually really like the relationship between Kokoro and Mitsuru, and how they probably talk about the stuff in the maternity book without telling anyone. I really hate the fat kid and the tsundere couple, even though i liked Zorome's character development on episode 10, now that Futoshi and Ikuno are riding together, why not kill them? The cast is just too big, and even though i hate the tsundere couple, sometimes you need those type of people to cause conflict to develop plot and characters. 3/5 |
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