how do you watch anime with horrible art style?

LordLagann said:


I told you already, her role in his life isn't coincidental nor is it out of good will towards.....what the fuck? Are you even reading anything? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and agree that she did "drop into his life" as you're so adamantly incline to believe. In your strange little world any act of coincidence equates to the story being fantastic? I guess two strangers meeting is off limits now unless you want your story...oh wait. Every story must be fantastic now because there's no such thing as a plot involving one fucking person.

It doesn't matter what you find odd, even though it's clear as day that Satou doesn't even use his computer until he is forced to help create a gal game with his neighbor, because the facts doesn't care about your widely mistaken opinions.

If you think NHK is about conformity, EVEN THOUGH FROM BEGINNING, MIDDLE, AND END EVERY CHARACTER FINDS THEIR OWN UNIQUE PATH TO FOLLOW, then there is no need to continue this. I mean honestly, you think Satou's dilemma is resolve because of superficial and cosmetic changes in his life. Next you're gonna tell me the answer to depression is a new haircut and the tickle monster.

There's so many things you've gotten wrong it's astonishing. The mere fact that you think she wants to help Satou for "no reason" defies belief. This isn't an argument nor is it a subjective view on NHK. You are literally ass pulling misinformation out of thin air. Just look at what you wrote...



In the very first fucking episode he can't even finish a conversation with his landlord without his anxiety going bonkers. I mean you talk about how I'm afraid of my opinion being changed yet your here spewing bullshit and turning a blind eye to concrete plot and character points. You can be descriptive and detailed as you want but it won't mean lick as you've missed the point of NHK completely to an extent that you've might as well not have seen it. Do yourself a favor and next time just stop replying when it's obvious you have no clue what you're talking about.

I see though you, Pullman sees through you, and I'm sure many others do as well.



Thanks Pullman. I rather not look at what he thinks about Ping Pong because if he's gotten this much wrong about NHK, a show over a decade old, lord knows Ping Pong might as well be an alien soap opera to him.

Enjyu said:



It doesn't seem like you're trying too hard to understand, since I've been trying to explain the same thing in different ways. Nothing wrong with that of course, I suppose arguing for the sake of the discussion is also a valid point

I'd appreciate more bad/bizarre art anime with a good plot than a good art anime with a dull/average/bad plot. That's all there is to it

I take it you don't accept the challenge and will leave it at that since this is getting nowhere

Tsuxken said:
So basically CLAMP's art style is a turn off for you.

Enjyu said:
With reading the reader is allowed to adjust the images to his own liking (infinite possibilities)

lequack said:
While I watch anime with very different art styles (two such anime - ping pong and kuchuu buranko are in my favorites) I hate it when the body proportions of anime characters are strangely animated.
I dropped code geass for this reason. The characters are too thin and their arms/legs are too long.

Enjyu said:


No, I don't think it's the same experience. And I also don't think both are relatable. Reading is heavily dependent on the word choice, writing style, details, description. If it's a well written piece it can give the reader the best experience showing them something nothing else can, be it a fight or something simple as a color. Reading relies on the imagination of the person who's reading, depending on the author's description the reader can either see the exact same scene as the author had in mind OR can be led to see something only he can, something that would differ in different readers. Reading can be seen as an interaction between reader and author and is unlimited, unbound and books usually have both types of descriptions for that purpose.

Watching the fight however, is a one-way information transmission from the film/anime staff to the viewer. How the viewer will perceive the fight depends on the presented details, voices, dialogue, movement, graphics, animation, dynamics. While there are common traits with the books, because the viewer is actually presented with a motion picture it is already restricted to what he can see on the screen. It's less exciting because there are limits to what one can express and convey in a visual piece. This is why the story that the anime is telling has to compensate for the limitations of the visuals with quality.

I am currently reading the Durarara light novels in original and have to say I get a completely different feel from what the anime conveyed. It's not necessarily bad difference because I loved the anime as it was but the book is a whole different thing, the character it creates in my imagination are far more vivid, real and alive that the anime.
The books I was referring to were H.P Lovecraft's "The color out of space", "The thing on the doorstep" and well pretty much all of his works and Ryogo Narita's "Durarara" that I am currently reading (just as a comparison to the anime). I chose Lovecraft as a reference because of his excellent writing style that literally and effortlessly takes you into a completely different dimension.

In conclusion, the experience of reading a book and watching an anime/film can hardly be compared to one another as they are, firstly, two different ways of conveying information, secondly, the interaction between reader/author and creator/viewer differ and,thirdly, the way the consumer perceives the information he is given is fundamentally different. Therefore it is not ethically correct to try and measure or compare something on two different bases. With reading the reader is allowed to adjust the images to his own liking (infinite possibilities) while with watching, the viewer is already presented with the director's characters (one possibility).

Simply put this is how I see reading and watching. But I fail to see how this is relevant to our previous discussion.

Rievlyne said:
1. I Keep watching, you'll get used to it. Oftenly art style is creator's intention to make.
2. If number 1 fail. I'm just focused on the plot. If I get immersed with it. I don't care with anything else.
3. if number 2 fail. Just focused on the subtitles.

TheBrainintheJar said:


I can power through a bad art style, but does it affect the enjoyment? For example, Another was pretty bad, and if it had better character design I would've had more fun.

Rei366 said:



Please, this is "CLAMP's shônen art style". (or post-Angelic Layer)

Rei366 said:


Infinite only if the author lets it be. You can't just ignore the imposed parts given in the text. And while some authors are as vague as can be, some like to detail everything.

Enjyu said:


I agree with that and I mentioned it in my comment, that "depending on the author's description the reader can either see the exact same scene as the author had in mind OR can be led to see something only he can, something that would differ in different readers"



I don't think I understand how different media affects storytelling in different individuals but I know how it affects me, although I tried to be as unbiased as I can in my post, and that aside you're quite impudent looking down on people "testing if they understand" what? that the Earth revolves around its axis?

Of course visuals affect how one perceives the anime but I don't remember admitting that the story or how you experience it is dependent on how good or bad the art is, visuals does not equal story. Your argument is especially invalid when you take the case of books/novels getting animated. Say there is this awesome book that you've already read and loved and then it gets animated. You watch it and find out the art is bad, you'll tell me you'll hate the story now? because the bad art affected the story? or because the bad art affected how you (personally) experienced it? The story doesn't change and is not affected by the visuals, and I think you know it as well. In the end of the day it's only up to you if you're willing to give something a chance or not

Enjyu said:


TTGL's bombastic art didn't compensate for many things, as far as it impressed me a 6/10 overall. About Another, you're probably right, except the original discussion was about art as in how the characters are drawn and not backgrounds. And even if it concerned the BG as well I fail to see yet again how is that related to the story

I can easily separate visuals and story, I don't see what's wrong with that. I can read and enjoy a story without visuals but couldn't care less for pretty visuals with no story, I still don't see why you insist the art can affect the story

PS. Haven't seen Shigofumi so can't tell about the plot but from the few clips I just saw I think the art is　not half bad, definitely not what personally I would call "so dull". If anything Ajin's all CG looks dull to me, but the story's good so what do I care

TheBrainintheJar said:


I'm not saying that TTGL's art compensated, but can you tell the same story with Shigofumi's low-key art?

PrimeRevenir said:
I mostly don't. Some people may argue that there anime out there with a horrible art style but an amazing story, but most of the time I can't concentrate on the story being told because of the awful looking characters.

TheBrainintheJar said:


How do you define a 'horrible artstyle' for you? Is it weirdness or dullness?

PrimeRevenir said:


A mix of both. Weird looking characters with dull colors.

TheBrainintheJar said:


Can you show examples? In my experience, unique but ugly (like Ping Pong) is better than dull and unimaginative (NHK)