| Because I speak English not Japanese, I assume op doesn't speak Japanese either ( call it a hunch) |
| Around the age of 12-17ish I vastly preferred dubs because of a few reasons, not sure if they'll help you any, but here goes: -I honestly wasn't aware that a lot tends to get changed during the dubbing process until years later when I saw comparison vids and nearly cringed myself into an early grave. (One Piece, and Digimon definitely got hit the hardest, lol :c) -From the few snippets of subbed stuff I saw during those years, I regrettably did have issues with a few female seiyuus. I probably came across the worst possible examples, but it honestly turned me off to subs in general for a (thankfully) short time. Mostly lookin at the seemingly very serious and stoic characters who get the bubbly voice of a peppy 7 year old. -For some reason I was irrationally bothered by the idea of somehow missing out on things like intonation and wordplay. I think I still feel like it's easier to get a feel for the characters when the voices you're hearing are your native language, and the words tend to carry more weight. I'm also a sucker for villainous monologues and moving speeches, and while I still get the occasional wow factor from subs while I'm watching, it doesn't stick in my memory because the (voiced) words aren't there and it won't replay like a dubbed scene normally would. Does that make any sense, lol? Nowadays that's the only reason I'd consider re-watching an anime. Having said that, I've given dubs a very wide berth for a while now, Space Dandy being the most recent that I caught a few episodes of, and it solidified my small (but growing) hatred of dubs. (I'm particularly sad that they changed the OP, why was that necessary?) I feel like when it comes down to people making changes it seems to always be a case of "we don't think american audiences will like/understand/appreciate this, so lets change it to something more american-friendly." and that's a terrible mindset to have, really. 'Cause then we're surrounded by people eating rice balls while callin them jelly donuts, y'know? p.s; sorry for wall of text, I got carried away. edited cause I rambled way2much |
OatGoblinFeb 2, 2016 5:11 PM
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ThatDarnIrishMan said: >People be like "I can't focus cuz subs"Most people I know who don't want to watch anime or movies subbed is because it means they can't focus on the show itself. I know quite a few people who just won't watch subbed anime because it means they spend 90% of their time looking at the bottom inch of the TV and missing the art. >DarnIrishMan >Irish >Ireland >English speaking country >Dub country Thank god I was born a bilingual Lemon said: Boredom and not enough creativity to come up with their own topicsJesus Christ, why are people still necroing this thread? I feel so punished every time I get a notification. ZECHS96 said: Having a certain language as your native tongue does not equal wanting to hear that language all the timeBecause I speak English not Japanese, I assume op doesn't speak Japanese either ( call it a hunch) |
Comic_SansFeb 2, 2016 11:57 AM
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Lemon said: To the people without learning disabilities or visual problems that affect their ability to read subtitles, I ask you this - why? I dunno, maybe because seiyuus overact and sound like antiquated 1950s actors. Is authenticity and having the correct intonations and pacing to match the mood not important to you? >Implying as if the mood can never be matched unless it is exactly the same performance as the original actor; an inherently flawed conclusion. Does the weird contrast between cultural cues and language not bother you? I dunno, maybe you should ask yourself that question while watching Hellsing Ultimate or Baccano. Sub elitists are such blowhards. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
| I don't watch them. They are cringy and forced. |
| Well i speak English so i look for a dub first but sometimes the English actors are terrible so ill change to subbed. Also if the anime has had controversy ill watch subbed because the dubbed version is more likely to have been censored. |
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| I only watch them when the show is set outside of Japan like Baccano or Hellsing Ultimate, it helps with the immersion. |
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Comic_Sans said: ThatDarnIrishMan said: >People be like "I can't focus cuz subs"Most people I know who don't want to watch anime or movies subbed is because it means they can't focus on the show itself. I know quite a few people who just won't watch subbed anime because it means they spend 90% of their time looking at the bottom inch of the TV and missing the art. >DarnIrishMan >Irish >Ireland >English speaking country >Dub country Thank god I was born a bilingual Lemon said: Boredom and not enough creativity to come up with their own topicsJesus Christ, why are people still necroing this thread? I feel so punished every time I get a notification. ZECHS96 said: Having a certain language as your native tongue does not equal wanting to hear that language all the timeBecause I speak English not Japanese, I assume op doesn't speak Japanese either ( call it a hunch) That's Not what I said, my choosing to watch anime in English is a matter preference, as is you preference for watching in Japanese. |
ZECHS96 said: Oh really? Let's take a look at your post againThat's Not what I said Because I speak English not Japanese, I assume op doesn't speak Japanese either ( call it a hunch) Not a word about preferences, just an empty statement about you preferring it because you speak English, OP you probably don't speak Japanese either, why would you want to watch it in a language you don't understand?That was totally what you said |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
ZECHS96 said: Because I speak English not Japanese, I assume op doesn't speak Japanese either ( call it a hunch)  I am so tired of subs lately. Oh my eyes.......... |
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Comic_Sans said: ZECHS96 said: Oh really? Let's take a look at your post againThat's Not what I said Because I speak English not Japanese, I assume op doesn't speak Japanese either ( call it a hunch) Not a word about preferences, just an empty statement about you preferring it because you speak English, OP you probably don't speak Japanese either, why would you want to watch it in a language you don't understand?That was totally what you said Comic_Sans said: ZECHS96 said: Oh really? Let's take a look at your post againThat's Not what I said Because I speak English not Japanese, I assume op doesn't speak Japanese either ( call it a hunch) Not a word about preferences, just an empty statement about you preferring it because you speak English, OP you probably don't speak Japanese either, why would you want to watch it in a language you don't understand?That was totally what you said Oh gee forgive me for not elaborating in my initial post |
Comic_Sans said: ZECHS96 said: Oh really? Let's take a look at your post againThat's Not what I said Because I speak English not Japanese, I assume op doesn't speak Japanese either ( call it a hunch) Not a word about preferences, just an empty statement about you preferring it because you speak English, OP you probably don't speak Japanese either, why would you want to watch it in a language you don't understand?That was totally what you said They chose to watch dub because it's in a language they understand, so what? Why is that a big deal? |
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| Because if you're not watching Cowboy Bebop dubbed you're doing it wrong |
ZECHS96 said: You can "Oh gee" me all you want, that doesn't change the fact that I am rightOh gee forgive me for not elaborating in my initial post Starla_Fox said: It's not the fact that they watch dubs solely because they understand the language (even if I personally don't really see that as a good reason, but that's a completely different topic) that is the big deal, it's the fact that they seem to assume that everybody else wants to listen to and watch everything in their native tongue(s) as wellThey chose to watch dub because it's in a language they understand, so what? Why is that a big deal? Not everybody is from a monolingual dubbing culture country |
Comic_SansFeb 2, 2016 3:54 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Subbed isn't unwatchable, but it makes me feel distant from the experience. I just feel more absorbed when I actually hear what the characters are saying rather than having to read text. That's why I prefer watching dubbed. It's easy on the eyes. |
Comic_Sans said: ZECHS96 said: You can "Oh gee" me all you want, that doesn't change the fact that I am rightOh gee forgive me for not elaborating in my initial post Starla_Fox said: It's not the fact that they watch dubs solely because they understand the language (even if I personally don't really see that as a good reason, but that's a completely different topic) that is the big deal, it's the fact that they seem to assume that everybody else wants to listen to and watch everything in their native tongue(s) as wellThey chose to watch dub because it's in a language they understand, so what? Why is that a big deal? Not everybody is from a monolingual dubbing culture country Ok ,whatever you say Swedish fish:) |
ZECHS96 said: I'm not a Swedish fish, I'm a Franco Swedish bullshit detector and nationalistComic_Sans said: You can "Oh gee" me all you want, that doesn't change the fact that I am rightIt's not the fact that they watch dubs solely because they understand the language (even if I personally don't really see that as a good reason, but that's a completely different topic) that is the big deal, it's the fact that they seem to assume that everybody else wants to listen to and watch everything in their native tongue(s) as well Not everybody is from a monolingual dubbing culture country Ok ,whatever you say Swedish fish:) |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I can't watch dubs without cringing. Part of it is Japanese voice actors are so much better (of the very few I've tried), but mostly because dubs too strongly resurrect memories of the cheesy kids cartoons I watched growing up - doesn't work to hear Scooby Doo while watching Tex lol. |
Comic_Sans said: I'm not a Swedish fish, I'm a Franco Swedish bullshit detector and nationalist Then be neutral and don't intervene :) |
ZECHS96 said: I don't really see how that is related to me being a Franco Swedish bullshit detector and nationalistComic_Sans said: I'm not a Swedish fish, I'm a Franco Swedish bullshit detector and nationalist Then be neutral and don't intervene :) |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: I don't really see how that is related to me being a Franco Swedish bullshit detector and nationalist Then be a good swede and don't involve yourself with foreign affairs, i.e. foreign dubs |
Gymkata said: I can't watch dubs without cringing. Part of it is Japanese voice actors are so much better (of the very few I've tried), but mostly because dubs too strongly resurrect memories of the cheesy kids cartoons I watched growing up - doesn't work to hear Scooby Doo while watching Tex lol. You bend your head and body in fear or in a servile manner from hearing the English language voiced over Japanese made animation? You might want to get that checked out. :/ |
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Gymkata said: I can't watch dubs without cringing. Part of it is Japanese voice actors are so much better (of the very few I've tried), but mostly because dubs too strongly resurrect memories of the cheesy kids cartoons I watched growing up - doesn't work to hear Scooby Doo while watching Tex lol. The dub for Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is magnificant. |
ZECHS96 said: I am a Swedish citizen, I have freedom of speechComic_Sans said: I don't really see how that is related to me being a Franco Swedish bullshit detector and nationalist Then be a good swede and don't involve yourself with foreign affairs, i.e. foreign dubs Ferocious_Oni said: American dubbing companies mostly hire B and C tier voice actors instead of actual cartoon VO actorsYou bend your head and body in fear or in a servile manner from hearing the English language voiced over Japanese made animation? You might want to get that checked out. :/ I can't really blame him |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: Ferocious_Oni said: American dubbing companies mostly hire B and C tier voice actors instead of actual cartoon VO actorsYou bend your head and body in fear or in a servile manner from hearing the English language voiced over Japanese made animation? You might want to get that checked out. :/ I can't really blame him Yeah. That wouldn't be much of a problem if anime was more recognizable in the west. |
Comic_Sans said: ZECHS96 said: I am a Swedish citizen, I have freedom of speechThen be a good swede and don't involve yourself with foreign affairs, i.e. foreign dubs Ferocious_Oni said: American dubbing companies mostly hire B and C tier voice actors instead of actual cartoon VO actorsYou bend your head and body in fear or in a servile manner from hearing the English language voiced over Japanese made animation? You might want to get that checked out. :/ I can't really blame him As do I ,as an American... So ABBA what's your point :) |
Ferocious_Oni said: Gymkata said: ... in a servile mannerI can't watch dubs without cringing. Part of it is Japanese voice actors are so much better (of the very few I've tried), but mostly because dubs too strongly resurrect memories of the cheesy kids cartoons I watched growing up - doesn't work to hear Scooby Doo while watching Tex lol. ??? Lmao And I'm gonna take a wild guess that Engrish isn't your native tongue. |
I don't. #SubsMasterRace lolwut pls |
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AltoRoark99 said: Yeah probablyComic_Sans said: American dubbing companies mostly hire B and C tier voice actors instead of actual cartoon VO actors I can't really blame him Yeah. That wouldn't be much of a problem if anime was more recognizable in the west. ZECHS96 said: That I can point out illogical logic and faulty statements all I wantComic_Sans said: I am a Swedish citizen, I have freedom of speechAmerican dubbing companies mostly hire B and C tier voice actors instead of actual cartoon VO actors I can't really blame him As do I ,as an American... So ABBA what's your point :) And there's nothing you can do about it Especially not if you resort to ad hominem |
Comic_SansFeb 2, 2016 4:46 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Wensbane said: Ferocious_Oni said: You bend your head and body in fear or in a servile manner from hearing the English language voiced over Japanese made animation? You might want to get that checked out. :/ Not gonna lie... that joke attempt made me cringe. Hard. Not gonna lie... that wasn't an attempt at a joke. Cringe has become one of the most overused words on the internet this year. :/ I never heard any one say that in public...... |
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AltoRoark99 said: Gymkata said: I can't watch dubs without cringing. Part of it is Japanese voice actors are so much better (of the very few I've tried), but mostly because dubs too strongly resurrect memories of the cheesy kids cartoons I watched growing up - doesn't work to hear Scooby Doo while watching Tex lol. The dub for Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex is magnificant. Yeah I've heard that. One of these days I'm going to give dubs a go. |
Gymkata said: I can't watch dubs without cringing. Part of it is Japanese voice actors are so much better (of the very few I've tried), but mostly because dubs too strongly resurrect memories of the cheesy kids cartoons I watched growing up- doesn't work to hear Scooby Doo while watching Tex lol. The 4kids days are over bruh, get with the times. |
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I can't watch dubs without cringing. Part of it is Japanese voice actors are so much better (of the very few I've tried), but mostly because dubs too strongly resurrect memories of the cheesy kids cartoons I watched growing up- doesn't work to hear Scooby Doo while watching Tex lol. The 4kids days are over bruh, get with the times. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Wensbane said: Ferocious_Oni said: Not gonna lie... that wasn't an attempt at a joke. Cringe has become one of the most overused words on the internet this year. :/ I never heard any one say that in public...... Sure, but let's face it, you don't go out much. Sure 13 hours a day outside isn't a lot. :D Why do you people keep deleting your quotes :s |
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Comic_Sans said: AltoRoark99 said: Yeah probablyThat I can point out illogical logic and faulty statements all I wantYeah. That wouldn't be much of a problem if anime was more recognizable in the west. And there's nothing you can do about it Especially not if you resort to ad hominem I was joking I thought that was obvious, the your faulty logic thing goes both ways, as I don't understand what draws you ( a non native English speaker) to the sub vs dub argument, freedom of speech aside, your strong stance puzzles me, could you please explain it to me? |
ChadAznable0079Feb 2, 2016 5:06 PM
Wensbane said: Ferocious_Oni said: Sure 13 hours a day outside isn't a lot. :D Why do you people keep deleting your quotes :s It's one of life's many mysteries. Like why you get triggered by a popular word. Some things are better left unanswered. lol you be assuming I'm just starting discussion. And it has worked great so far. |
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| Because I want to watch anime not read it. If I want to read I'll read manga. |
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ZECHS96 said: One does not simply joke with an advocate of democracy about freedom of speechI was joking I thought that was obvious the your logic goes both ways, as I don't understand what draws you ( a non native English speaker) to the sub vs dub argument >Implying only English speaking countries produce dubs freedom of speech aside, your strong stance puzzles me, could you please explain it to me? BecauseA) I am an advocate of freedom of speech B) I am part of the anime fandom C) I like internet arguments D) I like good voice acting and dislike bad voice acting E) I dislike logical fallacies F) I like doing things for the lulz RedEagle925 said: Reading a book and watching something with subtitles are two competely different things and thus your post doesn't make senseBecause I want to watch anime not read it. If I want to read I'll read manga. |
Comic_SansFeb 2, 2016 5:15 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: ZECHS96 said: One does not simply joke with an advocate of democracy about freedom of speechI was joking I thought that was obvious the your logic goes both ways, as I don't understand what draws you ( a non native English speaker) to the sub vs dub argument >Implying only English speaking countries produce dubs freedom of speech aside, your strong stance puzzles me, could you please explain it to me? BecauseA) I am an advocate of freedom of speech B) I am part of the anime fandom C) I like internet arguments D) I like good voice acting and dislike bad voice acting E) I dislike logical fallacies F) I like doing things for the lulz RedEagle925 said: Reading a book and watching something with subtitles are two competely different things and thus your post doesn't make senseBecause I want to watch anime not read it. If I want to read I'll read manga. My point was I don't like reading because i'm lazy. |
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My point was I don't like reading because i'm lazy. Lazy people can also read subs (e.g. me) and t's still incomparable to reading a book |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I rest my case. .............................. |
| I can't listen very well so subs are so much better me to certain dubs: |
| Writer for OpenedPandoraBox Blog |
| A handful of anime from the 90s have much better dubs. In fact, I can't stand to listen to the subbed tracks of: Tenchi Muyo (it sounds like the JP VAs aren't even TRYING to act, compared to Pioneer's dub) Night Walker Nerima Daikon Brothers Rurouni Kenshin DBZ (Goku's Japanese voice gives me ear cancer. :( |
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