Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld 2nd Season Episode 8 Discussion

biswa290701 said:
The poll next week will show this episode's result. Lol

Btw, that guy is right. Only on MAL did I see negative reactions for this episode. It totally broke the internet on Reddit where it got over 100 awards and 4k karma and Twitter where it trended globally for more than 3 hours. The score of this season increased by 2% on Anilist as well. Dunno what's up with MAL. Lmao

Hentry said:

Wait SAO was trending on global Twitter? Damn that's a big achievement. Not many anime gets to trend globally on Twitter. I do know that SAO on Reddit got over 90+ awards, I'm happy to know that it exceeded 100. And don't worry, after the dub releases a lot of dub viewers are also gonna rate it higher.

biswa290701 said:

Yeah SAO trended globally on Twitter 4 times this season - episode 1, episode 2, episode 6 and episode 8. But it trended for the longest with this episode. It even reached #1 during these points.

Hentry said:

Damn that's a big achievement. Even Demon Slayer's episode 19 didn't trend on #1. Looks like people are really liking this season huh.

OceanicBlues said:

l upon Jesus-kun’s awakening.

“He required the help of everybody in the Underworld” but in reality it was just a neat lightshow to backlight Kirito the Badass doing something over powered for the hundredth time.

Chiibi said:


Can we please not call him that? I am a Christian so I take Jesus seriously. Referring to a flawed human being like Kirito as "Jesus" is incredibly offensive to me. It always has been. They are nothing alike. If you haven't read the Bible, please just shut your trap.

I REALLY don't know why people even call him that; he does not do anything other shounen protagonists are incapable of doing.



What do you mean "in reality"? In "reality", he couldn't have done that on his own. How it is visually presented to us does not cancel out where that power came from. Come on, you are smarter than that.

We saw various characters battle Gabriel and he nearly destroyed them all. So what do you want; a Lord of the Rings-style face off where the whole army of the Underworld charges him?

He'd just fly away again?

@biswa290701

I think the reason MAL is so critical of SAO is because they are as cynical as fuk. :/ Every time I see a good show I honestly enjoyed, they are always like "wow that sucked".

They are IMPOSSIBLE to please.

OceanicBlues said:

My bad, didn't mean to offend you. Just note though, you keep talking about discussion but then you say stuff like "shut your trap", "what are you smoking", and all sorts of other childish things that really aren't necessary.

What I mean by in reality is that time and time again, season after season, he has overcome his obstacles with sheer brute force; the amount of people around him hardly changes the end result.

Chiibi said:


I am only human so that means I get annoyed/frustrated with people as normal humans do. I could do a lot worse than that, lol.




Like every shounen protagonist in battle genre tends to do one way or another? That's kinda their role as a MC, you see.

This isn't even LIMITED to shounen, Usagi still delivers every final attack in Sailor Moon too. Because she is the MC.

Yes, totally unthinkable. Why pick on Kirito specifically?

Actually, after thinking about this some more, you are wrong; Sinon and Kirito EQUALLY defeated the Big Bad in season 2.

OceanicBlues said:

We pick on him specifically because, even though shounen MCs always deliver the final attack or whatever, Kirito solves every problem that anyone has ever had... ever.

OceanicBlues said:

We pick on him specifically because, even though shounen MCs always deliver the final attack or whatever, Kirito solves every problem that anyone has ever had... ever. Him just waking up is enough to completely log out thousands of other players at the drop of a hat. Usually shounen characters have a specific set of powers that they use in order to overcome their obstacles; Kirito can just do what he wants. And the worst part is that he can do what he wants without any build-up whatsoever. Usually shounen protagonists will be practicing a technique or set of techniques that they haven't fully mastered when they have to fight a boss. Then, when all seems lost, they whip out the technique in desperation and somehow manage to nail it. That is a popular cliche. Kirito somehow, after months of being a vegetable, gained time control powers, the ability to turn folks into trees, the ability to fly completely unihbitied, the ability to regrow all of his limbs, the ability to turn the sky black, and the ability to see dead people all without any prior build-up whatsoever. It just happens, and that is textbook bad writing. The asspull of all asspulls.
"Blah blah Incarnation blah blah"
Incarnation is, in and of itself, a totally flawed crutch for characters to stand on. You keep talking about how he can do whatever other shounen protagonists can do. No. That is canonically and logically incorrect. Literally if he wants it enough he can do anything. Not the real-world "if you work hard enough you can achieve your goals!" anything, no. He can do ANYTHING. Incarnation has no upper limit, and seemingly doesn't require that much practice either since people who have no idea what it is seemingly master it within a couple hours (see PoH and Gabriel Miller). It's just overall lacking as far as story development goes, man.

Chiibi said:


Pfffffffft suuuuuuuuuuuure.

He totally brought back the 6,000 people who actually died in Aincrad because he can revive the dead just like Christ. He doesn't agonize over Sachi and the three people he killed. He can just revive them!!

He totally prevented Asuna from experiencing molestation from Oberon. He didn't just sit there and watch and misery until Kayaba took pity on him.

He totally cured AIDS so Yuuki didn't pass away in Asuna's arms as the VR world watched in tears.

He totally figured out how to win Asuna's mother over to let her date him. Asuna didn't come to that solution on her own or anything.

THAT statement of yours is "canonically and logically incorrect".

I don't fully understand the powers he was able to gain at the end of Alicization...but I'm thinking the adaptation might only be targeted to those who read the novels.

I don't know that for sure but if that is the case, that makes more sense. It would also explain why Japan loves the series and people here are shitting on it.

biswa290701 said:

Lol yeah. He's OP af in Alicization. But dude he had to work for it. You have to say he worked the hardest out of every real worlder. We see that he's stuck there for more than 2 years. He attended school, trained rigorously and practiced lots of skills within those 2 years. Plus he has the experience of the real world. He got stuck in SAO and he flied like a fairy in ALO. All of those experiences made him as strong as he was before he got arrested. Then during the tower rising he along with Eugeo slowly defeated each and every integrity knight. He learnt a lot of thimgs from Cardinal which the anime skipped. He learnt the aerial element to fly from her. It's basically like a game levelling system. You defeat stronger people, you get stronger. Then when he beat Quinella, he basically became a God. Only Eugeo could be as powerful as him. Kirito being strong in the underworld is completely logical.

Regarding the case of other real worlders, yes you can say they were just handed OP accounts. So they entered OP. Not Kirito - he levelled up from zero. And regarding incarnation, yeah it has no upper limit but the thing is while doing it, you have to keep utter confidence in yourself so a sane person like Kirito can't do stuff like an insane person like Gabriel can do. So basically you can say, incarnation was a disadvantage for the main character rather than the villain. Plus just how incarnation can help people who figured it out, it also hinders people who don't know about it and doubts in their abilities. Kirito suffered this a lot in part 1. But of course anime.

OceanicBlues said:

Ok, he can't do everything, he can just do most things. I never said he could revive the dead, just see them.

These losses are totally overshadowed by big flashy super attacks though.

I don't recall him thinking about the deaths of however many people in Aincrad when he was cutting off some dude's hands, or when he was fighting any of the knights, or when he was fighting the Administrator.

The character development for a couple of characters is incredible, and then for the rest their character arc is "Kirito will handle it."

Also are you really just gonna reply to the first sentence of my whole reply and ignore the rest? That's not a discussion, that's nitpicking.

If Miller and Kirito had a proper fight on the ground without the clutter it would have been so much more iconic.

Chiibi said:


You said "he can do ANYTHING" and reviving people CERTAINLY falls under "anything".

I pointed it out to show you that you are exaggerating.




Why?

His 'flashy attacks' don't erase history.


But why would he have a reason to think about them then? He appeared to have healed from his PTSD in season 2 with Sinon's arc. The only reason he starting thinking about them again was after regaining his memories back in episode ....6 of this arc, was it?

He just relived all that traumatizing stuff in a very very short amount of time.



Because they already had their main battles and they are tired?

Alice was shown fighting. Sinon was shown fighting. Leafa was shown fighting. Asuna was shown fighting.

They were hurt and all worn out from fighting for so long; of COURSE Kirito needed to step in and handle it. It's not like they spent 24 episodes waiting for him to wake up; they were fighting their asses off this whole war and couldn't take it anymore. Good thing he woke up in time.



All you really did was complain about his powers in this latest episode and I addressed it.
Did you ignore my last sentence in the last post? Fine...I will put it in bold so it's easier to see.





I don't agree. I'm sick of ground fights. A-1 did something more like Gainax or Trigger and it was amazing. I won't be forgetting it anytime soon.

tsubasalover said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Main guy rewinded the dragons. Then Main girl led Alice girl to the end.

Immediately got dark spell, but Eugeo guy saved him.

Both of them have ability to cure themselves, so it's not easy to end the duel.

Enemy changing form and main guy is regretting for staying and saving time. Eugeo guy appearing again to difference between the two.

lol @ this CM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgZUXJW-qpc

Darkness and everyone including Alice girl giving main guy power. Wow the people that died appeared, too. Eugeo guy even appeared to use his sword to fight along main guy to defeat the enemy and sent everyone back.

Main guy, ...and main girl stayed.

Milk_is_Special said:
There is a severe lack of direction in every single fight scene. The animation is good, sure, but it has nothing to gain from it when there is no decent choreography to speak of.

Hentry said:


Wow you must be a total idiot, look at the date you mongrel. "Week 8 | Aug 21 - Aug 28, 2020 results" The new SAO episode came out on 29th august, get your facts right before you come at me lil goof.

KANLen09 said:
Kirito rekindled Alice's dragon spirits and saved them from their impending deaths. That's nice. Other than that, time to fight against Gabriel Miller a.k.a Subtilizer on the World's End Altar and end this once and for all, all within 10 mins before time in the STL gets fluctuated for 200 years.

A-1 Pictures really throwing their money in on the action, really promising "the End of the End" vibes of Kirito facing second thoughts at death's door. But Eugeo's constant encouragement against Gabriel the Devil "who came to kill, steal and destroy" (of the biblical reference) to help Kirito regain his subconsciousness each and everytime is touching and soothing to the heart. To have everyone send their wishes to Kirito, it was POWERFUL.

I'd say: Release Recollection: Wishes and Dreams for all within the World Seed.

The power of bros before hoes, IT HAS FINALLY COME TO THIS. Everyone gets out of the World Seed in ONE PIECE with the killing of Gabriel Miller, but Kirito paying the consequence of 200 years confinement in exchange was a punishment of solace...with Asuna? What a cliffhanger.

Same thoughts here too, but I'd guess this is fine as well either way.