Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 3rei!! Episode 11 Discussion

MightyM16 said:


Do you honestly think Prisma's main appeal in Japan will suddenly change to be Miyuverse Shirou after this season is complete?

Especially after the QUALITY in this episode truly showed how much SL cared about it?

Also I keep seeing people say that Shirou's little arc made a lot of money but I still haven't seen any credible source

Anyway, it was obvious who he is since episode 3, he appears in the opening and etc. If he was indeed one of the biggest drives for Prisma in Japan, you'd think he would appear in some shape or form in the F/GO event...but guess what, he didn't

Understand, I'm not saying that Shirou's arc was bad just that Prisma's main selling point isn't Shirou and this won't change even if his arc is animated

zhaoyun99 said:


If he didn't make money, why didn't the author ended his flashback in like 6 chapters because it would be very easy to do so. Also, the limited Edition of Volume 6 of the manga which had his cover instead of Luvia was already out of print and nobody want to sell it on amazon or ebay? That volume sold out very quickly IIRC.

You failed to read between the line. How about finding it out yourself? Who in the right mind would continue to support something that wasn't making money for about 1.5 year?

MrNTR said:
Oh, so this is a different Shirou from the Illya's Shirou, who is in turn a different Shirou from the original Shirou. And here I thought Illya got Imouto NTRed by Miyu. Fuck Shirou, even you're no longer the MC, you're still at the center of everything.

Oh yeah, how is Miyu's Shirou able to create the Nine Lives and the Rho Aias when he's never seen them? At least I don't think he has, I don't really keep up with this series. UBW is not like Gate of Babylon, where the weapons are there for the taking, UBW needs to see, understand, and than forge.

MightyM16 said:


It was still a short arc (with short chapters) compared to the entirety of Prisma and what the series has been mainly known for

I'm not saying it wasn't a nice change of pace or somehow the best selling point the Prisma manga ever reached, basically I'm not denying anything, I'm just saying that you lack proper numbers to support your points and therefore I'm skeptical

But even if you had these numbers and they were confirmed, it wouldn't change the fact that most japanese's main drive to follow these series isn't Shirou since this wasn't the concept they jumped in when following this series

A character being part of the cover doesn't means as much as you're implying it does and Prisma Illya has remained afloat because of how much merchandise it's able to sell and guess what is the focu of hte merchandise?

Calling Miyuverse Shirou as the cashcow of Prisma Illya is just delusion

MrNTR said:

Oh yeah, how is Miyu's Shirou able to create the Nine Lives and the Rho Aias when he's never seen them? At least I don't think he has, I don't really keep up with this series. UBW is not like Gate of Babylon, where the weapons are there for the taking, UBW needs to see, understand, and than forge.

RockerXD said:


P much this, though from the looks of it, it mean's we're going to get a real focus on the flashback arc since they are adamant about ending it at the start of it once we do get there.

OrangeJP said:

Shirou Emiya, the one true archer.

zhaoyun99 said:



Unless you can't figure it out. I ask you again, how the hell the author kept that arc and Miyuverse Shirou for so long? He could easily end it in like 6 chapter and be done with that. If Miyuverse Shirou didn't sell well. He would just skip through it w/o much detail. Also, like I said before, merchandise only appear when they are on TV show. Like many novel adaptation. That how it works in the industry not exclusive to JP. This anime only reached his first full body appearance. Not a glimpse like episode 3. Also, if Miyuverse shirou didn't sell well, the Vol 6 limited edition could still float round and in stock but they ran out of stock very quickly. It's not just the cover but the entire manga volume.

Even a monkey could figure it out. It was like Gundam the first series. Until you have your judgement, see after Miyuverse Shirou merchandise came out and tell me afterward.

You should answer my question why if it wasn't sold well, how can the author still keep him around?

MightyM16 said:


Unless you can't figure out, I'll ask again

How the hell do you think the author kept the manga being loli centered for so long? Shirou's arc is just a small arc compared to the entirety of Prisma, it was a nice change of pace but only that

Idk why it's so hard to understand that

I'm not saying Miyuverse Shirou is unpopular, I'm saying he isn't the cashcow nor the main drive that kept people following this series, idk why do you think that he is just because he got a small arc that had small chapters

You also haven't presented me any concrete evidence as well

Honestly, if you think Miyu Shirou merchandise will ever top the loli ones, you're quite delusional

NicApple said:

THE VOICE ACTING IS VERY BLAND AND MONOTONOUS!!
You can't feel much of the emotions and stress all the characters are supposed to be feeling in the situation.

fluffy_maus said:
3rei is relatively light on fanservice? Oh my. I really wonder what people define as fanservice. Fanservice is more than just ecchi scenes. Wikipedia says: "Fan service [...] is material in a work of fiction or in a fictional series which is intentionally added to please the audience". 3rei is full of fanservice:

Shotacon Gil
Genderbend Gil
Saber Lily
Emo assassin
Sakuralot
Mapo Kirei
...

Anyone (besides Fai) really thinks that those things are present to tell a story? Like really?! Please. (⌐‿⌐ )
"B-But they are logically woven into the plot!" - So? Doesn't make the intention less obvious: To give the fans the cool stuff they hype and love and dig. Avengers much. The include system is basically the ultimate hax to make all those fan wishes come true.

zhaoyun99 said:


Remember that the first season was only 13 chapters and the second season was 27 in term of main story (not counting the special chapter) and even then, half of the 2nd season main beef was actually Bazelt and Kid Gil. Also, the author didn't even explore much of Yuri joke at all even with the fanservice was rather quick and tame in comparison to the anime which was exploited the shit out off.

Also, the author didn't just shoehorned Miyuverse Shirou just to be baddass w/o substance. It was like the author play the VN over and over again and hit it where it count by using the most popular element from UBW and HF just so to make Miyuverse Shirou had more depth and also threw it a lot of dream scenario that would never happened in the VN with a very good execution.

Who in the right mind could take so much effort to not only reinforce but to create a dream scenario for the fan? Most of the author didn't hit the nail in the coffin as much as this author. If Miyuverse Shirou didn't draw more audience, you wouldn't see so much fan rage in this topic right now. Don't just assume that the JP didn't give a shit. Remember even a less known anime like Wizard Barisster had to apologize for screwing up episode 11 (coincidence?) animation and fix it, what made you think something like Fate/Kaleid fan would do? Netflix and chill?

MightyM16 said:


Why are you twisting my words like this? I'm not saying the jp don't care about Miyuverse Shirou, just that he isn't the main cashcow of Prisma or the reason most people read the series. I also never said he was a badass without substance. It seems to me that you are getting triggered because I'm saying that Miyuverse Shirou isn't the series cashcow

I mean even if we count only 3rei, his flashback arc doens't even make half of it so I honestly don't understand your point about how it shows anything

And even if the loli/yuri kisses were toned down, fanservice still remained an all time high on the manga, just look at the many clothing damage situation Illya found herself in and so on

zhaoyun99 said:


First of all, you twisted my words first so I retaliated.

Second of all, Miyuverse Shirou if you counted 23-43 would be like 21 chapters and he was absence only 2 chapter for being KOed. However, if you counted his first appearance in the Drei was like chapter 3-4, that was will 21 chapter had heavily featured. The manga wasn't finished yet and he already got almost half of the current season of manga.

Are you kidding me on saying that was small?

Edit: For the ecchi fanservice was rather quick and minimal and it wasn't even the main focus with very few panel. Instead, we got a bunch of HF fanservice garlore with the mud dolls, mud heroic spirit, and more that I don't bother to mention.

MightyM16 said:


I twisted your words? How? When? Anyway...

I'm counting only Miyuverse Shirou's flashback arc (in which he is the main character) not his entire appearance, he just doesn't turn into the main character just because he appeared, that's still Illya

Yes that is awfully small compared to the amount the manga has put out with it's original version and 2wei. It doesn't even reach half of the 3rei chapters

I honestly don't know why you are making such a big deal of the arc when you lack the numbers to back you up

"The ecchi fanservice was kept to a minimum"

You say that when we got thousand of scenes with heavy clothing damage, hot spring scenes, the whole Miyu subplot with Darius, the author finding more and more reasons to draw naked lolis and so on. 3rei is still heavy with fanservice

Fai said:

As far as shirou goes, that is how it is supposed to be and that is how pretty much every shirou acts.

The voice acting is one of the only not fucked parts of this episode.

fluffy_maus said:

My point?
a) For some people in here, 'fanservice' seems to (mistakenly) equal 'unnecessary ecchi scenes'.
b) W.r.t. a), 3rei isn't "relatively light on fanservice" compared to its prequels, as some may claim.

P.S.: Arguments like "We obviously talked about ecchi fanservice only!" is just a pretext to hide the inadequate understanding of the term 'fanservice'.
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goodbyedays said:
How did beatrice broke free from gilgamesh's chain? I thought the stronger the opponent the stronger it gets.

Sherou said:

Minor correction, the more divine a servant is, the stronger the chain. Now Beatrice installed Thor so theoretically it should hold her incredibly well. However, even got free of the chain with A ranked divinity. So either Beatrice just willpowered through the chain like he did, or an install doesn't provide perfect divinity.

goodbyedays said:
How did beatrice broke free from gilgamesh's chain? I thought the stronger the opponent the stronger it gets.

Ryuutobi said:
It's actually the lightning that freed Beatrice, not her physical strength. The electricity affected the chain & Gil immediately release it to prevent himself from getting electrocuted to death. The manga showed this part more clearly than the anime.

ssjokg said:
hmm i didnt remember that

zhaoyun99 said:


Thousand?

Let's see here. Generalization was a bitch, wasn't it?

The first fight vs Beatrice and Angelica had zero clothes damage except for Tanaka and it was briefly showing her butts for like 4-5 small as fuck panels (one of them was her front but got censored by smoke) which didn't even showing her whole body.

Heck, the author didn't even show full view panties of Erika but only halfview.

The rematch with Illya vs Kuro had zero clothes damage. The kiss last only 2 pages.

The most fanservice was the hotspring which was only on and only last 8 pages. And that was the most you could get.

The whole Darious was with Miyu in a dress and the most you could get was ONE FREAKING PAGE when Miyu was sent to Illya

Luvia was the only one got clothes damage and it wasn't even the focus.

Only Miyu beside Luvia from the previous battle got the clothes damage in the process. Most of the time, the series only focus on her face during battle.

This shit is not something like Ikkitousen. Anything else? Chapter Cover don't count. Also, it was hard to look when blood spilling left and right.

MightyM16 said:


You're basically looking for excuses to justify yourself at this point lol

Read 3rei again and try not erasing every fanservice oriented scene from your selective reading

"the first battle between Angelica and Beatrice had no clothing damage!"

kek


You're finding excuses like saying "oh but this fanservice lasted only for two panels, it doesn't counts", sorry it does count, it's how they did things in the original Prisma and 2wei too. Just because the anime is more fanservice heavy at times it doesn't means the manga completely lacks it, especially in 3rei, where we have a hot spring chapter and one of the chapters prior to the flashback arc having two naked lolis in a bath

These types of panels are completely unnecessary plot wise and are there just for the fanservice, I'm not complaining about it, just trying to show to you that while 3rei has more plot, it also didn't forget about Prisma's typical fanservice

sadpotato250 said:
An accurate representation of how I felt about the episode:

zhaoyun99 said:



First of all, I just missed 1 freaking page and now you are acting hotshit while you can't post anything detail about your argument but generalization. Nice way to twist my words again.

I said it was light on fanservice doesn't mean it didn't have fanservice. Also, compare to the first and second season manga, it wasn't definitely lighter and I also specifically only say that about 3rei. Also, you said it had thousands which was not factual and invalid in term of argument. You are making excuse to justify yourself instead. Remember that shit you talked about merchandise of Miyuverse Shirou? Didn't even know how it works about merchandise and you acted like you know everything.

Never in this thread I said "There was no fanservice."

MightyM16 said:

But really this discussion is a waste of time, I doubt any fan of Prisma (as much as they enjoy Miyu Shirou) would say he is the cashcow of Prisma

MightyM16 said:
I doubt any fan of Prisma (as much as they enjoy Miyu Shirou) would say he is the cashcow of Prisma

vlaine said:


not to jump in, but is there really any reason not to say he's *A* cashcow of the series?

of course nobody would say he's the main/only draw of the series, but there is damn strong reason to accept that his appearance helped boost sales significantly.

he's a key face of the franchise, his chapters have had far larger reactions online than the average chapter, and he has commandeered the past *year* of story. unpopular characters do not get that much of a spotlight, and even popular characters wouldn't get such a highlight if they weren't doing something for sales, in this very forum, you can see that this episode, his debut episode, was, and IS considered to be the highlight of 3rei. he might not be the biggest seller, but it is undeniable that his appearance, and continued presence, has had a massive impact on the fandom.

it is not a stretch to claim that he has indeed boosted sales significantly, and is therefore a cashcow of the series.

Ryuutobi said:
Pfft! There are already a lot of them here who said that, but you simply ignored all of them.

MightyM16 said:


Never said he wasn't a popular character or a cashcow in his own right, I just said he isn't THE cashcow of the series

vlaine said:


well of course, he just appeared in the series, and the main focus has been, and should be illya and miyu, but the way you were arguing seemed to me like you were saying he's neither a factor, nor a significant boost to the series profit margin.

but enough of that, i assume was can at least agree that we all still want better for the series, in both animation and resource allocation than we've been shown in this particular episode.

YggdrasilTM said:



Yeah, sure.
UBW:



Prisma:


It's the same, allright.

Playcool said:


That scene of Prisma was when I started to see that the animation could be way better than what we got, to be fair while current status was decent, it was nearly up enough to live up to the manga art, but I hope the BD will fix some of those scenes.

Still a great episode IMO. Got the feels right.