icirate said: What's the difference for someone following a different religions ultimate truth? What's the difference between you following 'your own ultimate truth' that you came to rationally and you following 'your own ultimate truth' that you decided arbitrarily to suit whatever lifestyle you chose? Aren't both still 'following your own ultimate truth'? What's the difference between you and the westboro baptist churches ultimate truth? icirate said: Yeah like whether homosexuality is a sin. That's what the majority of denominations of Christianity in America have differences about. I even know some Catholics who are pro homosexuality. Most if not all inter-denominational debates within Christianity that involve different interpretations of scripture are about periphery issues, not core tenets. icirate said: People shouldn't be encouraged to force their beliefs on others. Such a view is so obsessed with individualism that it forsakes the society entirely; And you can't teach someone history without indoctrinating them to some set or other of moral values. A disgusting view on sexual purity? Telling people to abstain from rampant promiscuity and sodomy and stopping the spreading of sexually transmitted diseases is 'disgusting'? lol Yes it is disgusting. You've proven you're against promiscuity and you're mixed up on the causes of promiscuity in homosexuality. This is a disgusting "moral" teaching. I'm not promiscuous so there's no reason if I were gay to remain miserable. And that's what Christianity encourages. If you're a homosexual that's ok it's the sin not the sinner. So as long as you don't fall in love and essentially die in a hole underground miserable everything will be ok. Vile. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
RedRoseFring said: Kokko said: It's painfully clear that you haven't seen or read any of the movies and books I mentioned... How can you pull that shit out of your ass and expect me to take you seriously? I have read the Karazamov Brothers and watched The Passion of Joan of Arc (albeit at a younger age), but of course historical perspectives of a theme that is also a present day issue can only get you so far. The saltiness behind your response is pretty revealing though. I don't bother with such stuff either, like Religulous that panders to idiots, but I find the idea of such productions that only serve to pat people on the back for their pre-existing position to be pretty amusing, especially when they make those with opposing views so abrasive. The only thing I would note for dem movies is that despite the poor values, resources and talent, they show at least some concern for the viewer. Why did you act like you hadn't? If you've read The Karamazov Brothers you know that faith is at the forefront, and it does give a few arguments for both sides that aren't just "Atheists are evil" and "God is GEEEEWD" like American mainstream Christian movies. Of course I'd have a reaction like that after a braindead comment like your last one. |
Kokko said: Not really, it depend on their believes too. there is some probability if we are aliens too. all of them are teoris and it's also more logical than atheism. none of them are profen by sience.That makes no sense. How do you suppose aliens came to life? They had to come from no life. Prebiotic experiments are a thing. Amino acids can easily emerge under the right conditions (aka the ones the Earth had when it was young). and NO, what make organism life is not amino acids, but RNA. and that's impossible because RNA, and RNA only have 3 amino acid (not all amino acid can build RNA, this is wrong conception of atheism beievers, other amino acid are buid from this 3 code that made by this amino) ) and 2 kind of glukosa. both of them are impossible to meet and react except in organism cell. |
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Kokko said: RedRoseFring said: I have read the Karazamov Brothers and watched The Passion of Joan of Arc (albeit at a younger age), but of course historical perspectives of a theme that is also a present day issue can only get you so far. The saltiness behind your response is pretty revealing though. I don't bother with such stuff either, like Religulous that panders to idiots, but I find the idea of such productions that only serve to pat people on the back for their pre-existing position to be pretty amusing, especially when they make those with opposing views so abrasive. The only thing I would note for dem movies is that despite the poor values, resources and talent, they show at least some concern for the viewer. Why did you act like you hadn't? If you've read The Karamazov Brothers you know that faith is at the forefront, and it does give a few arguments for both sides that aren't just "Atheists are evil" and "God is GEEEEWD" like American mainstream Christian movies. Of course I'd have a reaction like that after a braindead comment like your last one. It doesn't approach the issue in as direct a manner (from what I remember anyway), and neither does it reduce it to such banal statements as ""Atheists are evil" and "God is GEEEEWD", which those movies don't even do (the question of why you even watch them in the first place would also arise seeing as you already clearly disagree). That's indicative of some projection there, and the abrasive reply just shows how easy the topic rustles your jimmies, which defeats the purpose of your attempt to counter the point. |
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Masked_Mantis said: People shouldn't be encouraged to force their beliefs on others. The belief that you shouldn't drive drunk is one we can both agree should be forced on others. Masked_Mantis said: Yes it is disgusting. You've proven you're against promiscuity and you're mixed up on the causes of promiscuity in homosexuality. 'Correlation doesn't imply causation' isn't the same as 'the correlation doesn't exist'. Masked_Mantis said: I'm not promiscuous so there's no reason if I were gay to remain miserable. And that's what Christianity encourages. If you're a homosexual that's ok it's the sin not the sinner. So as long as you don't fall in love and essentially die in a hole underground miserable everything will be ok. Vile. Masked_Mantis said: I'm not a rapist so there's no reason if I were a paedophile to remain miserable. And that's what Christianity encourages. If you're a paedophile that's ok it's the sin not the sinner. So as long as you don't fall in love and essentially die in a hole underground miserable everything will be ok. Vile. And yet you're presumably totally fine with turning around and demanding the same restrictions on promiscuity for paedophiles. Why? Because you think it's morally wrong. Why do I say people should refrain from sodomy? I think it's morally wrong. Your reasoning in that instance was poor. |
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icirate said: What age should you legally be able to have sex? That's a debate an atheist and Christian can have. A rapist though? You got me there. Can't think of a reason we shouldn't rape people. That's a tough one to answer. And yet you're presumably totally fine with turning around and demanding the same restrictions on promiscuity for paedophiles. Why? Because you think it's morally wrong. Why do I say people should refrain from sodomy? I think it's morally wrong. Your reasoning in that instance was poor. icirate said: It doesn't matter. You're not promiscuous and neither am I.'Correlation doesn't imply causation' isn't the same as 'the correlation doesn't exist'. icirate said: And determined by alcohol drink limits. A Muslim trumps you in being more moral because alcohol is haram. There would be no alcohol related instances in a Muslim society.The belief that you shouldn't drive drunk is one we can both agree should be forced on others. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
JonasDaJay said: I had the same exact thoughtThe fact that Father from FMAB mastered to absorb god (or whatever he did) was a little bit offending for me. I had to tell myself "well it's a fictional world with a fictional god who shall not be confused with our God, so it's ok" |
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| I'm a Muslim and I don't really have any problem with any of the religious stuff in anime or any other form of fiction, for that matter. It's fiction, just don't take it seriously, is all (I know the retort that's coming, so don't even bother). If it were to do it tastelessly, I wouldn't drop it just for that, but I would rate it less as it is done badly. Not necessarily because my religion was insulted. If it's in a satirical manner, by a person whose attitude fits insulting religion in satirical manners, I'd actually rate it higher. Long story short, my religion only plays a part in my daily life and even then, it doesn't do much at the time (I'm not very religious). When it comes to fiction, anything is game. Anything. |
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ChuckBronze said: I'm a strong Catholic and Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is one of my favorite anime of all time so... No I wouldn't drop an anime if it offended my beliefs. FMAB has a very religious philosophy at it's core. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I dropped Death Parade because it was too much against my philosophical mindsets. I'll never regret it. |
| Come to think of it, has there ever been an anime that has mentioned Islam at all? Or a Muslim, even. |
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I_M_Ali said: JonasDaJay said: I had the same exact thoughtThe fact that Father from FMAB mastered to absorb god (or whatever he did) was a little bit offending for me. I had to tell myself "well it's a fictional world with a fictional god who shall not be confused with our God, so it's ok" He was misguided in calling it "god" anyway. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| The cowboy bebop has that arab district and monster has those turkish peps. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I guess most anime is homophobic but I don't care really, I ain't full homo. |
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| I don't care about religion if we're specifically talking about that and like I'd give a shit if a fictional show and its content differs from my beliefs regarding anything. It's just fiction that serves as entertainment. Wait, why the fuck did I reply seriously in a thread of a user whose threads I've been avoiding because of reasons? |
black1blade said: The cowboy bebop has that arab district and monster has those turkish peps. Arab, eh... I suppose Muslim does bring Arabs to mind first. |
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yhunata said: i never see it as religion. but as organitation (taliban. al-qaeda, ETC.) or culutre (arabs, persia, and north africa) some times mentioned.Come to think of it, has there ever been an anime that has mentioned Islam at all? Or a Muslim, even. |
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| I'm amazingly hard to offend in the first place. Therefore, this is unlikely to happen anyway. Some friends of mine took offence when Angel Beats' script seemed to discard God as a possibility, and how Naoi wandered about claiming that he was God. They said it was disrespectful etc. I'm quite lenient with themes in anime and therefore I always try to give a series a chance no matter what controversy it throws at me. |
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| Even if it agreed with my beliefs, but the way it presented them is ignorant I'd rate it very low. I don't mind different opinions. I just want them reasonably presented, not as strawmen. |
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| depends on how it's done. if it's a funny parody, i'd probably enjoy it even if it goes against my beliefs if it's done badly, i'll probably drop even if it's in line with my beliefs |
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Jerkhov said: I guess most anime is homophobic but I don't care really, I ain't full homo. I don't think it is tbh. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I won't because I don't care. |
| I pity the creators who view god as expandable. |
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| Nope. I'd like to be offended, because it will keep my mind open to new ways of thought. |
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| My only belief is that if something offends someone, that's their problem. So nope. |
HaXXspetten said: >implying I'm religious mfw |
Unyilkdr said: Never seen one. Yeah but being arab or middle eastern doesn't make one muslimyhunata said: i never see it as religion. but as organitation (taliban. al-qaeda, ETC.) or culutre (arabs, persia, and north africa) some times mentioned.Come to think of it, has there ever been an anime that has mentioned Islam at all? Or a Muslim, even. |
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I_M_Ali said: Unyilkdr said: Never seen one. Yeah but being arab or middle eastern doesn't make one muslimi never see it as religion. but as organitation (taliban. al-qaeda, ETC.) or culutre (arabs, persia, and north africa) some times mentioned. But there is a high likely hood. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I don't think an anime can criticize my religious beliefs (because this is what the thread is asking), because I don't have any. |
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| This topic is really calling for a flame war... but it's interesting nonetheless. Going back to the question at hand, being an atheist even if it does offend, I don't really care, I won't watch it if it's just a "bad" anime that has nothing to offer intellectually or in terms of entertainment. While in anime it's hard to actually find anime that discuss certain subjects SERIOUSLY without being too lighthearted or without it being just a one episode plot device, there are some that do actually tackle important issues and decide to actually take the effort to explore scenarios and concepts, which is always welcome. There is also to consider that in anime even when they have the chance to discuss certain topics, they still manage to butcher the potential. Case in point: Infinite Stratos, Highschool DxD, Magical Index etc. In all honesty if I had to exclude anime based on what message they're trying to convey or what kind of protagonists are used to start a story, I would have to completely say "NO" to 80% of the anime I have seen, and probably more as a whole, since most of the times the stories and characters are memorable moralistic clichés. In response to some others talking about religion here (even though the question wasn't necessarily pertaining religious views but "beliefs" which can be pretty much any philosophy, thought or concept that one person might have) atheism still resides in the field of "belief" even though it's not a religion, but that's only because it just constitutes of a very simple statement "I don't believe in god/s", which is still an assertion based on belief. |
| I wouldn't have put Fullmetal Alchemist in my favorites if I couldn't past Edward's agnostic schviel in the 1st episode. |
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| I drop shows that insult my intelligence, not beliefs. That still doesn't make Sound! Euphonium episode 10 any less insulting though. |
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| "My beliefs" can't be insulted because they are neither tangible nor conscious. I'll drop an anime if I think the writing or direction is bad. "Bad" can mean a many number of things, and yes, celebrating something I morally oppose qualifies as "bad". |
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yhunata said: I'm a Muslim and I don't really have any problem with any of the religious stuff in anime or any other form of fiction, for that matter. It's fiction, just don't take it seriously, is all (I know the retort that's coming, so don't even bother). If it were to do it tastelessly, I wouldn't drop it just for that, but I would rate it less as it is done badly. Not necessarily because my religion was insulted. If it's in a satirical manner, by a person whose attitude fits insulting religion in satirical manners, I'd actually rate it higher. Long story short, my religion only plays a part in my daily life and even then, it doesn't do much at the time (I'm not very religious). When it comes to fiction, anything is game. Anything. Technically it is haram for muslims to watch anime, especially in this day and age with incest and all. So either you're not very religious or you should not be watching anime. |
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Mikasa said: sorce pls. what are forbidden for us are worshipping picture, not watching picture.Technically it is haram for muslims to watch anime, especially in this day and age with incest and all. So either you're not very religious or you should not be watching anime. |
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Mikasa said: Technically it is haram for muslims to watch anime, especially in this day and age with incest and all. So either you're not very religious or you should not be watching anime. A whole medium can't be considered haram, genres and subsections can. Not unless you're an extremist will it be that way. |
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Unyilkdr said: Mikasa said: sorce pls. what are forbidden for us are worshipping picture, not watching picture.Technically it is haram for muslims to watch anime, especially in this day and age with incest and all. So either you're not very religious or you should not be watching anime. Drawinf humans is like creating life thus playing god so according to islam it is haram |
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Red_Keys said: "My beliefs" can't be insulted because they are neither tangible nor conscious. I'll drop an anime if I think the writing or direction is bad. "Bad" can mean a many number of things, and yes, celebrating something I morally oppose qualifies as "bad". This, except for the dropping thing. I generally don't drop stuff. |
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Mikasa said: okay, first of all, that's forbiden drawing life creaturs because the porpose, not the picture it self. even our prophet never order to burn every script that have pictures on it, what are destroyed are statue and painting that considered worshipping by people. and it's them playing with god. not us. we not even belive it as the truth. just like another fiction.Unyilkdr said: Drawing humans is like creating life thus playing god so according to islam it is haramsorce pls. what are forbidden for us are worshipping picture, not watching picture. |
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| Nope, just as how i wouldn't drop a friend if he/she turned out to be atheist. Everyone has their own opinions and are entitled to voice them. It's just up to you whether you would be offended or not. |
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| It would have to be really offensive. |
Mikasa said: yhunata said: I'm a Muslim and I don't really have any problem with any of the religious stuff in anime or any other form of fiction, for that matter. It's fiction, just don't take it seriously, is all (I know the retort that's coming, so don't even bother). If it were to do it tastelessly, I wouldn't drop it just for that, but I would rate it less as it is done badly. Not necessarily because my religion was insulted. If it's in a satirical manner, by a person whose attitude fits insulting religion in satirical manners, I'd actually rate it higher. Long story short, my religion only plays a part in my daily life and even then, it doesn't do much at the time (I'm not very religious). When it comes to fiction, anything is game. Anything. Technically it is haram for muslims to watch anime, especially in this day and age with incest and all. So either you're not very religious or you should not be watching anime. It's not haram. Worshiping pictures is haram. Drawing or sculpting for religious purposes is haram. In Islam, will (as in purpose) is everything. So long as I don't worship anime (which I don't), it's not haram. What is haram, however, is me watching hentai, as that is porn. P.S. This is why I say you don't read. yhunata said: (I'm not very religious) |
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| I don't know, never saw / notice any anime offending my belief. I usually drop the show because boring to me though |
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