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Monochrome said: In the first half they did forget to draw command seals on some of the character's hands, I only noticed with TV/BD comparison shots, so it may just be an error. Though it seems weird to forget it with such an important scene. Unless they merged or something in the anime? Still weird. In the LN it says that the two Command Seals are on his LEFT lower arm and the Command Seals of Risei are on his entire RIGHT arm |
| You scary, evil Kirei! |
| Gilgamesh is right. Tokiomi is simply boring and stay boring to the very end. |
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| They cut a lot. Wasn't Kirei crying when he found his father's body and recalling how his wife killed herself in front of him in the novels? There was a lot more of inner struggle in Kirei. He was cracking down during his last scene with Tokiomi. Maybe the blu ray will fix the pacing issues. This episode looks too cramped. |
DaisyDuck3008 said: Yes I know but in episode 12 we saw it return to his right hand. Sure they changed the position where it returned but they have to at least stick to the original scenario that Kirei used his own Command Seals instead of the ones from the supervisor/his father.Monochrome said: In the first half they did forget to draw command seals on some of the character's hands, I only noticed with TV/BD comparison shots, so it may just be an error. Though it seems weird to forget it with such an important scene. Unless they merged or something in the anime? Still weird. In the LN it says that the two Command Seals are on his LEFT lower arm and the Command Seals of Risei are on his entire RIGHT arm |
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Thess said: They cut a lot. Wasn't Kirei crying when he found his father's body and recalling how his wife killed herself in front of him in the novels? There was a lot more of inner struggle in Kirei. He was cracking down during his last scene with Tokiomi. Maybe the blu ray will fix the pacing issues. This episode looks too cramped. I agree with everything you said. Though I didn't remember Kirei's wife killing herself scene from the novel .__.; And I had a feeling they were going to cram a lot in this episode considering how far they will cover (based on the preview for this episode). Some of the transitions from one small part of a scene to another were somewhat rushed or awkward too imo. |
| Saw it coming from a mile away; so it wasn't really a surprising backstab but still Kirei finally shows his true colors that have been implied till now; kinda wondered about that goodbye to Rin scene tho...wasn't In any case next episode seems like it might be Kiritsugu's past which i wouldn't mind at all since to me he is even more complex than Kirei; or at least has the potential to be. Quick question, how many command seals does Kirei actually have now? i mean the norm is to have 3 right? but i think its safe to say that he has more than that now... |
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| Since people seem to be confused about the jewel that Rin uses to save Shirou... It was locked away somewhere in the mansion the whole time, not given to her directly. I don't remember the exact details since it's fairly trivial, but it's explained early on in the visual novel. |
| The jewel is one of the family treasures their family has and which now belong to Rin.I think Rin was holding a book too, in the flashbacks of FSN anime. |
| My impression of this episode of Fate/Zero Season 2. |
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| Damn, that evil grin on Kirei was picture perfect. I am enjoying watching and bridging F/Z with F/SN. Young Rin is just too adorable. I feel sad for her not knowing the fate (no pun intended) her father went through. |
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| amazing episode! cant wait to see kirei vs kiritsugu |
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| In the first season of Fate/Zero, the only one who died was Assassin. (If we exclude all namless people) 4 episodes of the 2nd season have past, and the death count of all named characters went up to 8. The dead collector will be busy this season, there will be more. It looked rather easy for Kirei to backstab Tokiomi, but you have to admit that he trusted Kirei too much and the dagger was a tradition thing. Betrayal of that kind isn't something you should expect. I'm sensing that more death will arrive next time, but it's a flashback, so these people probably won't make it to the list of the dead collector. |
Thess said: Yeah, Kirei did cry and recall his wife, although at least Gilgamesh's comment about wishing he could've killed his father alluded to that inner struggle. Better than nothing at all. There was also the stuff about Sakura somebody else mentioned on the first page, really wish that was in there. Oh, they also skipped a part with Kariya and Zouken too. For anybody that cares about the Tokiomi/Sakura stuff, here. Not a spoiler at this point since the anime can never address it (except in the BDs, I guess) since Tokiomi's already gone, but just in case:They cut a lot. Wasn't Kirei crying when he found his father's body and recalling how his wife killed herself in front of him in the novels? There was a lot more of inner struggle in Kirei. He was cracking down during his last scene with Tokiomi. Maybe the blu ray will fix the pacing issues. This episode looks too cramped. Elite60 said: Damn, that evil grin on Kirei was picture perfect. I am enjoying watching and bridging F/Z with F/SN. Young Rin is just too adorable. I feel sad for her not knowing the fate (no pun intended) her father went through. |
InfiniteDestiny said: No, Rin finds the jewel, following his instructions. |
| This show is good, really good. BUT! But Kotomine & Gilgamesh are even better. Those 2 are pure gold (no pun intended, dear King of heroes). Their conversations make this show way better than it actually is. Don't get me wrong, I love it so far, but it wouldn't be nearly as good if those two weren't in it. |
| Wow this episode went fast. Now gilgamesh is Kirei's new partner. The story should be quite interesting from now on. |
| Stabbed by the back... how coward. Kirei, i'm disappointed in you. Bio-D said: So, Tokiomi: 1. Gave Kirei his will 2. Gave him a literal dagger 3. Turned his back on Kirei To paraphrase HK-47, that's like putting a sign on your back saying: "Please, stab me repeatedly untill I die Only that fool don't see this coming. Hilarious. |
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Totentanz said: Gilgamesh is as manipulative as ever... Driving Kirei to the point of backstabbing his master in the truest sense of the word. His conversation with Kirei itself was pretty amusing to watch. It almost felt playful how they teased each other. In the end Gilgamesh is proved correct as Tokiomi didn't do anything worthwhile not to mention anything entertaining. Gil never manipulated kirei and never drove him to do anything he just made him realize the true nature of his soul though it is twisted and he only made subtle hints ultimately its always kirei who makes the decision it was actually kirei who manipulated Gil to some degree in this episode |
BloodRequiemApr 28, 2012 3:26 PM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Kyousuke_Rei said: Wasn't that the same dagger Kotomine gave to Rin in Fate/Stay Night? yes it is and thats why people keep on saying finish reading fate stay night first before watching fate zero |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| This episode felt rather short. I didn't really grasp the point of the lengthy Irisviel/Maiya dialogue. Didn't feel like it gave us anything new. Tokiomis farewell to Rin was absolutely perfect. Now that's how you are supposed to say goodbye, not all that touchy-weepiness we are usually served. Ahh... I really can't state enough how much I love the Tohsaka family (except Sakura). Despite my admiration for Tokiomi tho, his death was pretty meh. It was just so overly predictable that it failed to bring forth much emotion. Ep really gave the impression that even he himself didn't expect to live much longer. And wow. Gilgamesh is such a bastard. Him and Kirei are a match made in heaven. |
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Xayoz said: I really can't state enough how much I love the Tohsaka family (except Sakura). I dont see ANY reason to like the family besides Rin.Both Parents are shit putting their "noble" magic/crest above their kids.I understand why people dont like Sakura in FSN, but why hate her? the Tohsaka family(except for Rin) NEVER did anything for her.While Sakura( spoiler for VN) People that want more Kirie and Gil next time will be really disappointed. |
ssjokg said: Xayoz said: I really can't state enough how much I love the Tohsaka family (except Sakura). I dont see ANY reason to like the family besides Rin.Both Parents are shit putting their "noble" magic/crest above their kids.I understand why people dont like Sakura in FSN, but why hate her? the Tohsaka family(except for Rin) NEVER did anything for her.While Sakura( spoiler for VN) People that want more Kirie and Gil next time will be really disappointed. well that is how magus are raised like what kayneth said in episode 1 the magic crest is passed down from generation to generation and is the essence of the family's research and accomplishments of course to them it is worth far more than human lives |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
ssjokg said: I dont see ANY reason to like the family besides Rin.Both Parents are shit putting their "noble" magic/crest above their kids.I understand why people dont like Sakura in FSN, but why hate her? Of course they put their magic first. So would I, where I a magus. I hate Sakura simply because I can't stand meek, backboneless women. Her being that way isn't probably her fault, but that doesn't make her any more likable for me. |
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Xayoz said: I hate Sakura simply because I can't stand meek, backboneless women. Her being that way isn't probably her fault, but that doesn't make her any more likable for me. This always makes me laugh. |
ThessApr 28, 2012 5:20 PM
Xayoz said: ssjokg said: I dont see ANY reason to like the family besides Rin.Both Parents are shit putting their "noble" magic/crest above their kids.I understand why people dont like Sakura in FSN, but why hate her? Of course they put their magic first. So would I, where I a magus. ^This. The whole point of living for magus is to be able to obtain the truth and origin one day. If you want to be more humane, don't be born in a magus family. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| The magi lifestyle isn't presented as a good thing, though. |
Thess said: The magi lifestyle isn't presented as a good thing, though. That Xayoz guy is some kind of sociopath I swear. |
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BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: Xayoz said: I really can't state enough how much I love the Tohsaka family (except Sakura). I dont see ANY reason to like the family besides Rin.Both Parents are shit putting their "noble" magic/crest above their kids.I understand why people dont like Sakura in FSN, but why hate her? the Tohsaka family(except for Rin) NEVER did anything for her.While Sakura( spoiler for VN) People that want more Kirie and Gil next time will be really disappointed. well that is how magus are raised like what kayneth said in episode 1 the magic crest is passed down from generation to generation and is the essence of the family's research and accomplishments of course to them it is worth far more than human lives Xayoz said: ssjokg said: I dont see ANY reason to like the family besides Rin.Both Parents are shit putting their "noble" magic/crest above their kids.I understand why people dont like Sakura in FSN, but why hate her? Of course they put their magic first. So would I, where I a magus. I hate Sakura simply because I can't stand meek, backboneless women. Her being that way isn't probably her fault, but that doesn't make her any more likable for me. being magus doesnt change the fact that they are assholes. and meek, backboneless woman?You obviously havent read Heaven's Feel. They could have just ignored Sakura's potential and train just Rin but NO they had to give her away.And none from the reasons Tokiomi mentioned, justify what he did. "Hey your daughter is being raped by thousands of worms and Asshole Shinji till she is seventeen" "Oh excuse me I have no time for this I have to reach the Root" Yeah they need respect for that.... |
ssjokgApr 28, 2012 5:22 PM
ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: Xayoz said: I really can't state enough how much I love the Tohsaka family (except Sakura). I dont see ANY reason to like the family besides Rin.Both Parents are shit putting their "noble" magic/crest above their kids.I understand why people dont like Sakura in FSN, but why hate her? the Tohsaka family(except for Rin) NEVER did anything for her.While Sakura( spoiler for VN) People that want more Kirie and Gil next time will be really disappointed. well that is how magus are raised like what kayneth said in episode 1 the magic crest is passed down from generation to generation and is the essence of the family's research and accomplishments of course to them it is worth far more than human lives Xayoz said: ssjokg said: I dont see ANY reason to like the family besides Rin.Both Parents are shit putting their "noble" magic/crest above their kids.I understand why people dont like Sakura in FSN, but why hate her? Of course they put their magic first. So would I, where I a magus. I hate Sakura simply because I can't stand meek, backboneless women. Her being that way isn't probably her fault, but that doesn't make her any more likable for me. being magus doesnt change the fact that they are assholes. and meek, backboneless woman?You obviously havent read Heaven's Feel. They could have just ignored Sakura's potential and train just Rin but NO they had to give her away.And none from the reasons Tokiomi mentioned, justify what he did. "Hey your daughter is being raped by thousands of worms and Asshole Shinji till she is seventeen" "Oh excuse me I have no time for this I have to reach the Root" Yeah they need respect for that.... tokiomi didnt know that the matou merely treated sakura as a breeding horse he legitimately thought that sakura had a future with them |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Topgunuk69 said: Thess said: The magi lifestyle isn't presented as a good thing, though. That Xayoz guy is some kind of sociopath I swear. I don't think I quite qualify as a sociopath but I do somewhat admire the 'magi lifestyle'. Thess said: Sakura is someone with a willpower who can keep abay All Evils of the World implanted in her Soul, the Souls of many great Heroic Spirits (While other Grails like Irisiviel and Illya break sooner) and the worms sucking her magical energy for a while. Until deep emotional duress is injected. Sure. No backbone. Willpower != backbone. |
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Xayoz said: Topgunuk69 said: Thess said: The magi lifestyle isn't presented as a good thing, though. That Xayoz guy is some kind of sociopath I swear. I don't think I quite qualify as a sociopath but I do somewhat admire the 'magi lifestyle'. Thess said: Sakura is someone with a willpower who can keep abay All Evils of the World implanted in her Soul, the Souls of many great Heroic Spirits (While other Grails like Irisiviel and Illya break sooner) and the worms sucking her magical energy for a while. Until deep emotional duress is injected. Sure. No backbone. Willpower != backbone. she doesnt have the power to defy zouken theres a difference between having backbone and being pure stupid |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Xayoz said: Willpower != backbone. Wow, it's like you never read the VN. |
BloodRequiem said: she doesnt have the power to defy zouken theres a difference between having backbone and being pure stupid |
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Xayoz said: BloodRequiem said: she doesnt have the power to defy zouken theres a difference between having backbone and being pure stupid Nice victim blaming from the POV of a rapist (he raped Ayako, Rider and almost raped Rin if Lancer hadn't arrived in time. I'm sure he's excused in his head). |
Xayoz said: BloodRequiem said: she doesnt have the power to defy zouken theres a difference between having backbone and being pure stupid as long as she has the crest worm inside her zouken can kill her anytime same reason why kariya cant tell anyone what sakura is going through |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Thess said: Nice victim blaming from the POV of a rapist (he raped Ayako, Rider and almost raped Rin if Lancer hadn't arrived in time). Are you implying Sakura couldn't have stopped Sinji, had she wanted to? |
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BloodRequiem said: as long as she has the crest worm inside her zouken can kill her anytime same reason why kariya cant tell anyone what sakura is going through It's also the reason why Shirou and Rin thought Sakura was a danger in HF (the Shadow things weren't known until later). Xayoz said: Thess said: Nice victim blaming from the POV of a rapist (he raped Ayako, Rider and almost raped Rin if Lancer hadn't arrived in time). Are you implying Sakura couldn't have stopped Sinji, had she wanted to? I'm not sure if you're serious or just a troll. |
Xayoz said: Thess said: Nice victim blaming from the POV of a rapist (he raped Ayako, Rider and almost raped Rin if Lancer hadn't arrived in time). Are you implying Sakura couldn't have stopped Sinji, had she wanted to? and die? sure if shes stupid and desperate she will resist and die but she met shirou and fell in love so why would she want to die? |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: tokiomi didnt know that the matou merely treated sakura as a breeding horse he legitimately thought that sakura had a future with them I dont think that Tokiomi knew of Zouken's plans for the next War but I am pretty sure he knew the way their magc works.Their families know each other way too long. Perloo said: Xayoz said: Willpower != backbone. not fighting back=/=enjoyment. Xayoz said: Thess said: Nice victim blaming from the POV of a rapist (he raped Ayako, Rider and almost raped Rin if Lancer hadn't arrived in time). Are you implying Sakura couldn't have stopped Sinji, had she wanted to? Because killing Shinji WAS the only way to stop him And have the one she loves(Shirou) and gives her the will to live hate her? |
BloodRequiem said: and die? sure if shes stupid and desperate she will resist and die but she met shirou and fell in love so why would she want to die? They are also forgetting that before Sakura had the worms removed out of her, she was painfully weak (since they constantly suck out her prana). What Shinji tells himself to justify his disgusting, rapist behavior to feel stronger is one thing, that someone actually takes him seriously makes me completely uncomfortable. But I'm inclined to think they are a troll. Of course, must have been Rin's fault for not resisting him in UBW. Ayako's fault in the routes she can't escape. Rider's fault. They could have stopped him, right guys? Shinji learns a bit more of what to be a host of something disgusting in UBW, that's why he realizes he was wrong. Well, whatever, let's discuss about how weird the art looked sometimes in this episode. |
ThessApr 28, 2012 6:00 PM
ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: tokiomi didnt know that the matou merely treated sakura as a breeding horse he legitimately thought that sakura had a future with them I dont think that Tokiomi knew of Zouken's plans for the next War but I am pretty sure he knew the way their magc works.Their families know each other way too long. Perloo said: Xayoz said: Willpower != backbone. not fighting back=/=enjoyment. Xayoz said: Thess said: Nice victim blaming from the POV of a rapist (he raped Ayako, Rider and almost raped Rin if Lancer hadn't arrived in time). Are you implying Sakura couldn't have stopped Sinji, had she wanted to? Because killing Shinji WAS the only way to stop him And have the one she loves(Shirou) and gives her the will to live hate her? if sakura isnt protected by a powerful magus family she could potentially be designated for sealing by the association due to her rare potential |
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ssjokg said: Because killing Shinji WAS the only way to stop him I disagree. BloodRequiem said: and die? sure if shes stupid and desperate she will resist and die but she met shirou and fell in love so why would she want to die? What? I don't recall it ever being impleid that Sakura needed to have sex with Shinji to 'stay alive'. If my memory serves, her life was immediately threatened only after she started transforming into a grail. |
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