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Apr 22, 2014 12:18 PM

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When the fight begin. Netero said :" This is a testing ground for military heavy weaponry"

When Knov come back.
It was foreshadowed with Knov " I have received word from a messenger of the president. He has taken the king to appoint location"

"It doesn't matter what the guards do now .. They will be too late"
Apr 22, 2014 12:22 PM

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tsudecimo said:
The corner thing is a Deus ex Machina, and I'm not calling it that. I'm merely calling it an asspull, whether it's a good or a bad thing is not my argument. There were no hints for the bomb, there were hints for



Actually there is a small very subtle hint, but it happened very close to the fight, I don't think I can count it.

Had he given us more hints than the outcome would have been too predictable, you can call it asspull or whatever you want but that still doesn't change the fact that is was a brilliant move.
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Apr 22, 2014 12:25 PM

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hmph naruto trolls evrywhere

anyway @_@ i love u madhouse best fight for 2014
ah just that why i love hxh never fail to make epic events
Apr 22, 2014 12:25 PM

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I'm dying, I knew this was coming but jesus christ! got tears coming down my eyes and everything!

The greatest episode I've seen in any medium before! ahhhhhhh!! I love HxH...
Apr 22, 2014 12:25 PM

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Umm okay. Like I said, I'm not arguing whether or not it was a good or a bad move.

Guilek said:
When the fight begin. Netero said :" This is a testing ground for military heavy weaponry"

When Knov come back.
It was foreshadowed with Knov " I have received word from a messenger of the president. He has taken the king to appoint location"

"It doesn't matter what the guards do now .. They will be too late"

Actually this the subtle hint I was talking about.
Apr 22, 2014 12:29 PM

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In the episode 88 Netero said "I don't think I can't accomplish this mission without sacrificing someone" (However this is just an hint that Netero was ready so sacrifice himself in some way)
And the fact that Zeno left was an hint too
Apr 22, 2014 12:29 PM
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tsudecimo said:
Umm okay. Like I said, I'm not arguing whether or not it was a good or a bad move.

Guilek said:
When the fight begin. Netero said :" This is a testing ground for military heavy weaponry"

When Knov come back.
It was foreshadowed with Knov " I have received word from a messenger of the president. He has taken the king to appoint location"

"It doesn't matter what the guards do now .. They will be too late"

Actually this the subtle hint I was talking about.


episode 83 (2:10-3:00) netero talking to the goverment officials (V5)
that same scene is seen as a flashback in ep122 right after netero says " he is wavering between his ant and human side, and he doesn't realize that the two are incompatible but no matter which side he falls into the OUTCOME WON'T CHANGE"
Apr 22, 2014 12:30 PM

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I...am speechless.I...
Apr 22, 2014 12:38 PM
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This was the best episode of anime I have ever seen. Madhouse went so far and beyond my expectations that I'm finding it hard to find suitable words to describe it. Even "godlike" seems insufficient.

Both animation and art were perfect with emphasis on right moments, especially the needle and Netero's final moments were beatifully done.
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Apr 22, 2014 12:39 PM

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tsudecimo said:
ValeBreck said:

Even though I bet some people will still complain, not understanding the true meaning behind what happened.

What is the true meaning behind that asspull?


I knew you would have a problem with this, so I took the liberty of finding a post that someone in the manga forms posted to explain the Rose, it's a mouthful but bear with it



OT: Pretty damn good episode, animation was beautiful, same with the soundtrack and now I look forward to the rest of the reactions. Also RIP Chairman Netero

PS if you do plan to reply tsud, know that I won't, no offense, but considering what you're like to argue with, it won't get us anywhere and I don't like my time being wasted, so I'll leave it at that
KitsuneKomugiApr 22, 2014 12:45 PM
"Now, let us drink. Let us drink. Drink to the human race. In every age, there will be good humans and bad humans. Human life is too long to devote to reproduction, yet too short to devote to learning, in the helix of time. Perhaps that is why humans succumb to desire and seek release. Despite the fact that life is complete with the sun, the land and poetry." Supreme Leader Diego(Real) (Hunter x Hunter 2011)
Apr 22, 2014 12:40 PM

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diivil said:
tsudecimo said:
Umm okay. Like I said, I'm not arguing whether or not it was a good or a bad move.

Guilek said:
When the fight begin. Netero said :" This is a testing ground for military heavy weaponry"

When Knov come back.
It was foreshadowed with Knov " I have received word from a messenger of the president. He has taken the king to appoint location"

"It doesn't matter what the guards do now .. They will be too late"

Actually this the subtle hint I was talking about.


episode 83 (2:10-3:00) netero talking to the goverment officials (V5)
that same scene is seen as a flashback in ep122 right after netero says " he is wavering between his ant and human side, and he doesn't realize that the two are incompatible but no matter which side he falls into the OUTCOME WON'T CHANGE"

That's not a hint. That's a generic line that expresses Netero's confidence in winning.

The problem I have here, was that it was a very giagntic event that changes that leads to the conclusion of the whole arc, but wasn't met with sufficient foreshadowing from a good point in the arc, that shows that Togashi thought of it from the beginning. The weaponry hint was right before the fight, and Knov talk was during it and before it happened (actually I don't remember exactly when Knov said that)


Putting aside the asspull talk, my opinion is that it was terrible move on Togashi part. To


That is just simply lame imo.


KitsuneKomugi said:



I'm not gonna read that (ugly wording and unorganized) and I'm assuming the post is about the theme behind it, which I already know about it, so I don't know what's the purpose of posting this.


ValeBreck said:
In the episode 88 Netero said "I don't think I can't accomplish this mission without sacrificing someone" (However this is just an hint that Netero was ready so sacrifice himself in some way)
And the fact that Zeno left was an hint too

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You already know why the first one is irrelevant. Zeno left because his job was done, as literally stated by himself, it has zero relation to the bomb..wtf..
tsudecimoApr 22, 2014 12:47 PM
Apr 22, 2014 12:43 PM

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My opinion it was a perfect move and there was foreshadowing.
Apr 22, 2014 12:45 PM

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That was a good fight. Netero with his last ditch effort to kill the King. That preview for the next episode. Looks like Komugi is okay now.
Apr 22, 2014 12:47 PM

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Words can not describe the level of awesomeness in this episode.
Every frame was amazing to say the least.
Netero was fantabulous.
Apr 22, 2014 12:47 PM
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Netero/10
Godlike episode!!
Apr 22, 2014 12:53 PM
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I am thankful for the events which have led me to this episode.
Apr 22, 2014 12:53 PM
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The strongest person to stop the king died ._.

what next?
Apr 22, 2014 12:55 PM

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Amazing episode. Netero's such a boss. R.I.P dude. You were an incredible character, and you got the fight of your life in the end.

"Meruem, King of Ants, you understand nothing of humanity's infinite potential for evolution." I really loved that line. Netero had a lot of awesome lines, come to think of it.

Once again, Togashi does not like long-drawn-out battles, and I think we're better off for that.

Madhouse never fails to impress.
Apr 22, 2014 12:57 PM

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tsudecimo said:
ValeBreck said:
In the episode 88 Netero said "I don't think I can't accomplish this mission without sacrificing someone" (However this is just an hint that Netero was ready so sacrifice himself in some way)
And the fact that Zeno left was an hint too

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You already know why the first one is irrelevant. Zeno left because his job was done, as literally stated by himself, it has zero relation to the bomb..wtf..

It's really impossible to discuss with you, you are such an annoying being
Why the hell do you think Netero assumed Zeno ONLY to separate the king from the royal guards? If Netero didn't already plan to explode, he would have assumed him to fight with the King too, but evidently you are too stupid to understand such a simple thing.
Apr 22, 2014 12:58 PM

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I wouldn't call it an asspull. Netero obviously had the bomb planned. He saw Pitou and said he wasn't even sure he could beat Pitou. He most likely knew he wouldn't be able to beat the King so he lead them into a hole below ground and eventually ended up detonating the bomb after getting destroyed. Makes sense to me. Plus, he didn't technically win the fight if the King died. They both died (again assuming the King died)

Either way, awesome episode! Loved it!

Can't wait until next week and if anyone hasn't heard, the manga's coming back June! http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/04/22/hunter-x-hunter-manga-returning-joining-english-weekly-shonen-jump
Which means the anime'll probably stop soon but it'll be coming back cause there's going to be more content!
Apr 22, 2014 12:59 PM

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Great episode. I remember hoping until the end for Netero to win while reading the manga..... he sure went out with a bang alright
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Apr 22, 2014 1:02 PM

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That was one of the best and epic fights I have ever watched!!!! And that was not only because of the abilities but also because of the depth of their inner thoughts, the metaphors and psychological implications...

This anime is the only that makes me say HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIT so many times....
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Apr 22, 2014 1:04 PM

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ValeBreck said:

It's really impossible to discuss with you, you are such an annoying being
Why the hell do you think Netero assumed Zeno ONLY to separate the king from the royal guards? If Netero didn't already plan to explode, he would have assumed him to fight with the King too, but evidently you are too stupid to understand such a simple thing.

It's not my fault that you can't gasp the actual hints.

Assumed? what? do you mean another word here?

Netero hired Zeno only to separate the King, he didn't pay him to fight with him because of the high money fee he would pay, that was Netero's reason as stated by him, if I remember correctly. That's not specifically relevant to the bomb, since it could have been written as Netero being confident in winning by himself.

Relax guy. Don't blame you inability to express your thoughts clearly and your lack of deductive reasoning on me.
Apr 22, 2014 1:05 PM

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YOU DID IT, MADHOUSE ;_;
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Apr 22, 2014 1:09 PM

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Absolutely stunning. Thanks,Madhouse. And R.I.P.,Netero.
Apr 22, 2014 1:11 PM

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@Tsudecimo

If this is Deus Ex Machina and asspull..... actually I'll stop here.

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Apr 22, 2014 1:14 PM

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Oh dang. That was a crazy ending.
Apr 22, 2014 1:14 PM

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@Tsudecimo
If this is Deus Ex Machina and asspull..... actually I'll stop here.

tsudecimo said:
The corner thing is a Deus ex Machina, and I'm not calling it that. I'm merely calling it an asspull
Apr 22, 2014 1:14 PM

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Amazing! Just amazing! Really brilliantly done. Based MH :D

The fight was so amazing I was tearing up from epicness throughout T^T

The animation of how Meruem was being sling shotted left-right-up-down and just coming back more and more and more was so EPIC!

Netero's prayer being fast enough to stop time and Meruem's use of all his experience playing against Komugi to figure out where the nxt attack will be coming from.

The way Meruem analyzed Netero's training method in a few seconds was O_O This guy is just tooo BA!

Until he cut Netero's leg off! The way Netero just closed his wound and continued fighting was epic!

And then the left hand sent flying! But still praying with one hand! DAT ZERO WAS EPICNESS OVERLOAD!

And damn Netero looked like a mess after it O_O.

What takes the cake was his face when he was activating the bomb O~O THAT WAS CREEPY AS F***!! WTH NETERO! I won't be able to sleep now XD No wonder Meruem felt fear XD

DAT BOMB was animated so GOOD!! FRIGGIN DAMN EPIC!!! RIP Netero! U were one of the most BA old men ever!!! And Meruem, sorry dude, u were friggin awesome and I loved u but checkmate.

And nxt ep seems awesome too. Pouf's face O_O And GON vs F***n PITOU??? FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >.< HYPE HYPE HYPE!
Apr 22, 2014 1:15 PM

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ValeBreck said:

It's really impossible to discuss with you, you are such an annoying being
Why the hell do you think Netero assumed Zeno ONLY to separate the king from the royal guards? If Netero didn't already plan to explode, he would have assumed him to fight with the King too, but evidently you are too stupid to understand such a simple thing.


I think it's just best to ignore people like him as there's no point in trying to reason with a fool, it's pointless and is a waste of time. Just ignore him and let him whine in peace, from the reactions I've seen everyone loved this episode, who cares if he one person didn't like it, don't let him ruin your enjoyment
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Apr 22, 2014 1:16 PM

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I'm fucking clapping right now. THAT.. that, was one of the best Hunter x Hunter episodes ever made. That is all I can say right now. Amazing.
Apr 22, 2014 1:16 PM

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Just finished the episode and OMG that was just awesome! Dat animation, the ost, voice actors of Netero and Meruem were phenomenal.. loved every second of it!! This might become my favorite action episodes, can't wait to see it in HD.

R.I.P Chairman Netero and thank you for your service!!!
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Apr 22, 2014 1:18 PM

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That was one of the best episodes I've seen in anime, ever. ∞/5
Apr 22, 2014 1:20 PM
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tsudecimo said:
ValeBreck said:

It's really impossible to discuss with you, you are such an annoying being
Why the hell do you think Netero assumed Zeno ONLY to separate the king from the royal guards? If Netero didn't already plan to explode, he would have assumed him to fight with the King too, but evidently you are too stupid to understand such a simple thing.

It's not my fault that you can't gasp the actual hints.

Assumed? what? do you mean another word here?



Netero hired Zeno only to separate the King, he didn't pay him to fight with him because of the high money fee he would pay, that was Netero's reason as stated by him, if I remember correctly. That's not specifically relevant to the bomb, since it could have been written as Netero being confident in winning by himself.

Relax guy. Don't blame you inability to express your thoughts clearly and your lack of deductive reasoning on me.
tsudecimo said:
ValeBreck said:

It's really impossible to discuss with you, you are such an annoying being
Why the hell do you think Netero assumed Zeno ONLY to separate the king from the royal guards? If Netero didn't already plan to explode, he would have assumed him to fight with the King too, but evidently you are too stupid to understand such a simple thing.

It's not my fault that you can't gasp the actual hints.

Assumed? what? do you mean another word here?

Netero hired Zeno only to separate the King, he didn't pay him to fight with him because of the high money fee he would pay, that was Netero's reason as stated by him, if I remember correctly. That's not specifically relevant to the bomb, since it could have been written as Netero being confident in winning by himself.

Relax guy. Don't blame you inability to express your thoughts clearly and your lack of deductive reasoning on me.
tsudecimo said:
ValeBreck said:

It's really impossible to discuss with you, you are such an annoying being
Why the hell do you think Netero assumed Zeno ONLY to separate the king from the royal guards? If Netero didn't already plan to explode, he would have assumed him to fight with the King too, but evidently you are too stupid to understand such a simple thing.

It's not my fault that you can't gasp the actual hints.

Assumed? what? do you mean another word here?

Netero hired Zeno only to separate the King, he didn't pay him to fight with him because of the high money fee he would pay, that was Netero's reason as stated by him, if I remember correctly. That's not specifically relevant to the bomb, since it could have been written as Netero being confident in winning by himself.

Relax guy. Don't blame you inability to express your thoughts clearly and your lack of deductive reasoning on me.



Call it an aspull or whatever you want but the way Togashi sets up his ideas for an arc is different from others. He plans the start and ending of the arc first and asks himself questions like "How can I resolve the arc/ fights in a way that hasn't been done before?"
He attempts to create an unique ending or resolution that few or none has done before and avoids shonen clichés.

And after that the middle part of the arc is what he has to come up with as he goes.
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I want to give Hunter x Hunter all of my 10s.
This is truly a masterpiece.
Apr 22, 2014 1:22 PM

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I've been waiting to see this part animated for so long and it was amazing. Some of the stuff coming up could have been handled better but the CA arc is one of my favorite story arcs.
Apr 22, 2014 1:24 PM
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I've been waiting to see this part animated for so long and it was amazing. Some of the stuff coming up could have been handled better but the CA arc is one of my favorite story arcs.


Not sure what you think could've been handled better, I was surprised how well they handled the gore of the episode when you compare it to the Killua vs Jones scene
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tsudecimo said:
ValeBreck said:

It's really impossible to discuss with you, you are such an annoying being
Why the hell do you think Netero assumed Zeno ONLY to separate the king from the royal guards? If Netero didn't already plan to explode, he would have assumed him to fight with the King too, but evidently you are too stupid to understand such a simple thing.

It's not my fault that you can't gasp the actual hints.

Assumed? what? do you mean another word here?

Netero hired Zeno only to separate the King, he didn't pay him to fight with him because of the high money fee he would pay, that was Netero's reason as stated by him, if I remember correctly. That's not specifically relevant to the bomb, since it could have been written as Netero being confident in winning by himself.

Relax guy. Don't blame you inability to express your thoughts clearly and your lack of deductive reasoning on me.


Not my fault if I'm not english.
And Netero never said that. Also, it wouldn't make any sense since he even thought Neferpitou was stronger than him. That, plus all the other hints made it clear that something like that was going to happen.

If anyone lacks deductive reasoning, it is you.

KitsuneKomugi said:
ValeBreck said:

It's really impossible to discuss with you, you are such an annoying being
Why the hell do you think Netero assumed Zeno ONLY to separate the king from the royal guards? If Netero didn't already plan to explode, he would have assumed him to fight with the King too, but evidently you are too stupid to understand such a simple thing.


I think it's just best to ignore people like him as there's no point in trying to reason with a fool, it's pointless and is a waste of time. Just ignore him and let him whine in peace, from the reactions I've seen everyone loved this episode, who cares if he one person didn't like it, don't let him ruin your enjoyment

I always try to make people understand, but yeah, I should probably leave him be, since he's just here to provoke people and I can barely sustain a normal conversation in english.
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Call it an aspull or whatever you want but the way Togashi sets up his ideas for an arc is different from others. He plans the start and ending of the arc first and asks himself questions like "How can I resolve the arc/ fights in a way that hasn't been done before"
He attempts to create an unique ending or resolution that few or none has done before and the middle part of the arc is what he has to come up with as he goes.

Sure Togashi puts and setup different ideas and what not, but that is not inherently a good thing or a guarantee for quality. Perfect example imo is the Chimera ant arc, where the different aspects were handled poorly. I'm not sure I would call a suicidal bomb ''original'' or ''never done before''. Don't get me wrong I think Togashi is one of the best mangaka out there in terms of imaginary, execution, ideas and writing, and HxH is my second favorite battle anime of all time but

Togashi dropped the ball on this arc. This is no where close to Yorknew's quality imo, with the inconsistencies, the asspulls and possible deus ex machina, the focus on trivial characters, the pesudo psychological parts, the handling of Gon's character, the ending, the narration, the pacing and the length. To each his own.
Apr 22, 2014 1:33 PM

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Anyone calling it an asspull! What would u prefer this or someone like Gon beating Meruem? C'mon people, this is the best ending for Meruem possible...
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Apr 22, 2014 1:35 PM

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The king is so full of himself. I completely agreed with Netero when he made that insect speech. Does he really think he can defeat ALL the humans? There's fucking Hisoka the Phantom Troupe, plus the top 5 Hunters in the world including Gon's father. And if none of them can beat him we still have the Atomic and Nuclear bomb developers.

Anyways the next episode looks interesting. It seems time's up for the neko.
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The king is so full of himself. I completely agreed with Netero when he made that insect speech. Does he really think he can defeat ALL the humans? There's fucking Hisoka the Phantom Troupe, plus the top 5 Hunters in the world including Gon's father. And if none of them can beat him we still have the Atomic and Nuclear bomb developers.

Anyways the next episode looks interesting. It seems time's up for the neko.

He can. The King is the absolute strongest being ever created in the Hunter x Hunter universe. No human being, Top Hunter or not, is on par with him. He could kill Hisoka and The Phantom Troupe in the blink of an eye.

Now, nuclear bombs are another different topic...
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The only True Ending is the Harem Ending.
Apr 22, 2014 1:38 PM

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Wow just wow...
Apr 22, 2014 1:41 PM

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That was epic.
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Anyone calling it an asspull! What would u prefer this or someone like Gon beating Meruem? C'mon people,

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No. But a better conclusion would be nice. Also that kinda spoils future events.
Apr 22, 2014 1:41 PM

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Best episode of the series. PERIOD!!!!11
Apr 22, 2014 1:42 PM
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What more needs to be said, really? Epic and perfect. You can't get any better than that.
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I think it's the first time a major character died and I absolutely have nothing to say and not feeling sad or whatsoever (well, I got spoiled that Netero will die, but not how). Netero was so determined and a strong character, he himself was accepting his fate.

Now, it has 9 episodes left supposedly, I wonder how the story will continue!
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tsudecimo said:
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Even though I bet some people will still complain, not understanding the true meaning behind what happened.

What is the true meaning behind that asspull?

Coming from the guy who has Naruto as his avatar and gave Naruto Shippuden a 10. If this episode was an asspull, I wonder what the hell the Naruto manga is at this moment?
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well fuck, that episode left me speechless. simply amazing
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