Are you a feminist?
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Baman said: Giygaszor said: LOL MEMES XDBUTTHURT Alright, man, you sure got me. I might be triggered, but you still look like a cringe lord. |
Giygaszor said: This is the problem which highlights feminist narrative being unable to reconcile with the general population. It is possible to legitimately and critically examine these characterizations. Discrimination is inherently a value-based proposition that exists within an institutional context. For example, a certain group can be legally discriminated against with tougher sentences drawn across certain borders. The sum of these instances of discrimination, however large, is still a finite set. What the feminist narrative does is infinitize it by painting a pseudo-sociological (and almost theological) scenario wherein one gender becomes the inherent victim against a suppressor that simultaneously couldn't help itself but must take responsibility, collectively. This narrative ironically recognizes the values that it says is asserted by men, and it wants to change the framework that it assumes. In other words, feminists paint themselves as external agents to make it seem like a unilateral power struggle, when in fact they are equal participants.I'm sorry that you've not been able to meet someone who has more level thinking, but a lot of feminists do think that the gender roles assigned to men are toxic, and are a root in the cause to why they're left at a disadvantage. Having to live by male stereotypes is hard, maybe even almost as hard as that faced by women, especially when these roles do not fit who you are truthfully. To say they don't have the short end of the stick though is a bit much, as the discrimination that women face is far greater and normalized then what men have to face. Not to discredit any problems that men face as a whole, though. Anyways, I do view the movement as being penultimate to reaching any form of equality, despite the movement being named for women. Men already carry enough influence in society and are subject to far less discrimination so it's better to bridge the gap for women rather than just to start a new movement to discredit their views and progress they have made. |
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Giygaszor said: Alright, man, you sure got me. I might be triggered, but you still look like a cringe lord.  |
katsucats said: Giygaszor said: This is the problem which highlights feminist narrative being unable to reconcile with the general population. It is possible to legitimately and critically examine these characterizations. Discrimination is inherently a value-based proposition that exists within an institutional context. For example, a certain group can be legally discriminated against with tougher sentences drawn across certain borders. The sum of these instances of discrimination, however large, is still a finite set. What the feminist narrative does is infinitize it by painting a pseudo-sociological (and almost theological) scenario wherein one gender becomes the inherent victim against a suppressor that simultaneously couldn't help itself but must take responsibility, collectively. This narrative ironically recognizes the values that it says is asserted by men, and it wants to change the framework that it assumes. In other words, feminists paint themselves as external agents to make it seem like a unilateral power struggle, when in fact they are equal participants.I'm sorry that you've not been able to meet someone who has more level thinking, but a lot of feminists do think that the gender roles assigned to men are toxic, and are a root in the cause to why they're left at a disadvantage. Having to live by male stereotypes is hard, maybe even almost as hard as that faced by women, especially when these roles do not fit who you are truthfully. To say they don't have the short end of the stick though is a bit much, as the discrimination that women face is far greater and normalized then what men have to face. Not to discredit any problems that men face as a whole, though. Anyways, I do view the movement as being penultimate to reaching any form of equality, despite the movement being named for women. Men already carry enough influence in society and are subject to far less discrimination so it's better to bridge the gap for women rather than just to start a new movement to discredit their views and progress they have made. Bro, why do you post your college schedule on MAL? |
Giygaszor said: It's not a schedule, and why not?Bro, why do you post your college schedule on MAL? |
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Zergneedsfood said: Because it is not your place to tell others how to live their lives. The same reason why you don't see me telling the British that they should get rid of their royalty, the fact taxes go to the Queen is nothing short of robbing the tax payer for a purpose as useless as the money America spends in the "war against drugs". To me a monarch simply represents oppression, so I would never be okay with having my taxes go to a monarch who has no function, however this is because the idea of the Royal line is not in my culture. True you will find dissenters in England perhaps, who share my opinion, but they are the ones who would have to speak up, not me. To tell another culture how they should do things is not "open-minded", it is in fact extremely "close-minded" as you are essentially telling them that their set of beliefs are "wrong" and should be "fixed".Pirating_Ninja said: Wait why?However feminists should be concerned with issues within their own culture |
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Zergneedsfood said: Culture can be broken down to the accepted "norms" within the group of people that make up said culture. Culture very much is something that ties together that group of people in certain similar beliefs. By bashing another's culture, you may not think you are doing anything, but you are probably going to create a negative reaction with said group. You aren't going to convince an Arab that Western Culture is better when many western countries have things like prostitution being legal, or even legalized sale of alcohol (who are you to judge what is moral or immoral). Therefore when you start flinging your own opinions at another culture as to how something "should be", you will most likely be shut out and strengthen the resolve of many of those within the other culture to keep their initial values. It is basic psychology that people DO NOT like being told what to do, and while it might be logically acceptable to tell another culture how they should do "x", it is not something that they will appreciate or respond well to. With minor things, there is a good chance you will at least be heard, but with the conversation in question, you are likely to garner a lot of negative attitudes directed not only at you, but at your cause as well. This does not "help" the women within that culture, who are trying to gain freedoms, but in many cases (especially with people who do not understand the reason as to WHY a culture has such values) it actually harms the cause. Pirating_Ninja said: There's no consistency in an argument like this, because by the same logic you shouldn't be trying to tell anyone in your own culture for the same reasons you listed above. What does cultural relevance have to do with the intrinsic fact that you are espousing, which is that people shouldn't tell others how to live their lives? America, and even various European cultures, are hardly monolithic in their cultural makeups, so it stands that if feminists aren't allowed to call out foreign practices because they shouldn't be allowed to to tell others how to live their lives, the same logic applies, because the caveat that you are culturally connected is hardly a reasonable bright line in this circumstance.Because it is not your place to tell others how to live their lives. The same reason why you don't see me telling the British that they should get rid of their royalty, the fact taxes go to the Queen is nothing short of robbing the tax payer for a purpose as useless as the money America spends in the "war against drugs". To me a monarch simply represents oppression, so I would never be okay with having my taxes go to a monarch who has no function, however this is because the idea of the Royal line is not in my culture. True you will find dissenters in England perhaps, who share my opinion, but they are the ones who would have to speak up, not me. To tell another culture how they should do things is not "open-minded", it is in fact extremely "close-minded" as you are essentially telling them that their set of beliefs are "wrong" and should be "fixed". And I don't know why you shouldn't be allowed to comment on abolishing the British monarchy. You should be free to press for any issue that you deem appropriate to your personal beliefs. Whether you are geographically set apart from the movement of your choice is honestly irrelevant. There's a staunch difference between informing people how you would change things and forcing people to change. The former is just a matter of public discourse, one that shouldn't be readily discarded simply because you don't share direct cultural ties (also, shit like nationalism and a reliance on cultural purity I think is just bullshit anyway), because that's never stopped people from making rational and informed arguments about things that should rightfully be changed. If someone says something that is both uninformed and culturally insensitive, then discourse naturally has means of dealing with it. The latter is something that shouldn't be done. You should never actively impose your will on someone without their consent. So if people went to Britain and forced people to sign petitions to eliminate monarchy, that shouldn't be allowed. But people protesting archaic systems of government that exist not just in the UK, but around the world, seems perfectly legitimate to me. The reason why someone can call out aspects of their own culture is because they make up that group, they are part of the "in-group". Whether right or wrong, we are less likely to dismiss someone's claims if they are in our "in-group", whereas claims made by someone of an "out-group" we are more likely to not only dismiss, but believe that only those of that "out-group" hold on to such beliefs. In a way, challenging another's culture on more sensitive issues can actually solidify their beliefs that they are right. Whether this is "okay" or not is moot, since I can guarantee you, this is deeply rooted within humans, and is not an aspect subject to change so easily. |
Pirating_NinjaApr 8, 2015 7:51 PM
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| I believe in equal opportunity for people of all genders but I don't like the word feminism. Of course, where there is injustice against women that I agree is injustice, I will side with the feminists. And as I believe women should have rights equal to men, I am essentially a feminist, 'by extension'. I'm okay with that. I don't think the majority of feminists think women need more rights than men, and special treatment, and of course I'm opposed to the minority of feminists who do. Feminism must mean 'rights equal or greater to' for women, taking in the egalitarians as well as the supremacists. Some have tried to expand 'feminism' to helping men and 'other genders' as well, but even the name 'feminism' shows one thing has the most promenence... Those are my two reasons for not liking the word feminism. Equality of opportunity. It's not so much just to say you want equality of opporunity. No double-standards for people working from the ground up. Women and men should be able to work towards the same things with the same chances and judgement. I could still argue with some others using the titles against certain things they are in favour of, like diversity quotas for example, but 'egalitarian', 'equalist', 'humanist', they're at least better words than 'feminist'. |
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| Yes and no. I am for equality for all people regardless of race, sexuality, religion/ideals, gender, etc. But what I am not in support of is slandering men just prompt up woman. That's a terrible approach at the situation and will ultimately lead to more conflict between the sexes. |
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Fateism said: You should be more specific.But what I am not in support of is slandering men just prompt up woman. That's a terrible approach at the situation and will ultimately lead to more conflict between the sexes. |
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Zergneedsfood said: Of course I generalized the definition of culture, this isn't a debate on what culture is, but how cultural values should be respected as a right for said group to have those values. You mention that recently there has been a publications of the corruption / oppression within China (I am tired at this point so going to oversimplify statements, sorry but I don't really want to hold a conversation on why you will receive more negative than positive when criticizing one's culture as an outsider), and that you are not offended by said publications, therefore my reasoning is wrong. However what I am saying is not that the act of criticizing itself is "morally wrong", but rather that an outsider criticizing one's culture is more likely to incite strong disagreement from the culture being criticized. The difference being in what you would consider the means to a "solution" within a culture. Someone who believes it is okay to criticize a culture openly, will go about by publicly denouncing said culture. While someone who believes it needs to come from within will not, they may think that it doesn't match their own values, and they might comment on it, however they will not publicly cry out to said population that they must change. Neither way of going about it is "morally wrong", nor is either way "correct". HOWEVER, as I state a million in one times, if you push your own views, you are likely to get push back simply because you are pushing them to take a more extreme stance to match your own. (Extreme in this context means they believe more in their stance than previously, where it might have been an issue that didn't matter too much to them). What they are defending is not the specific aspect of their culture but rather their culture as a whole. And this is why I say it is better not to publicly insist your own views, not due to it being morally wrong or right to do so, but because if you truly want to change something within a foreign culture (in this case women's rights), don't directly criticize said culture. You are doing no favors when you are perceived as "attacking" their culture (the more personal an issue is, the less that needs to be said in order for one to feel you are attacking their beliefs, and when these issues that I mainly see modern feminists criticize about in the Middle East, many of these aspects stem from traditions almost as old as their own religion, these are not matters that should be approached so directly if you truly want to see some kind of change). By openly criticizing one's culture that is not your own (this could be your own too in cases, but typically you will gain more support if criticizing your own) you will face stronger resistance, and in many cases you hamper any attempts for progress that were already taking place. This is what I mean by it being wrong. Essentially, by pushing in a place you are not perceived to belong, you create a stronger push back than what was originally there.Pirating_Ninja said: This is both a gross generalization as well as a non-argument. There is a difference between "bashing" a culture and "criticizing" a culture. As someone who is Chinese, I feel very little offense when there are news publications written about the corruption of the Chinese government, the oppression done by the People's Republic, as well as insistence that the PRC open itself up to reform and democratic change. I can disagree with any of these points that I want, but it doesn't make it wrong that people criticize public policy or social conditions that they view as antithetical to their own standards. Again, that is discourse. What you are describing is not that this discourse is wrong but that the people on the receiving end of this discourse are not willing to listen to opinions outside of their society. This exists everywhere but that's not evidence for foreign criticism being bad. That's just evidence of a group of people who don't want to listen to outsiders. That's their prerogative, but their response is a foreign policy issue and not a question of whether or not something should be allowed or is the right thing to do.Culture can be broken down to the accepted "norms" within the group of people that make up said culture. Culture very much is something that ties together that group of people in certain similar beliefs. By bashing another's culture, you may not think you are doing anything, but you are probably going to create a negative reaction with said group. You aren't going to convince an Arab that Western Culture is better when many western countries have things like prostitution being legal, or even legalized sale of alcohol (who are you to judge what is moral or immoral). Therefore when you start flinging your own opinions at another culture as to how something "should be", you will most likely be shut out and strengthen the resolve of many of those within the other culture to keep their initial values. Is decrying blood diamond trading in Liberia wrong, or the slaughter of elephants, or the actions of Boko Haram, or ISIS, or child prostitution, or organ trafficking, and drug cartels? What does cultural distance have to do with whether or not people should be actively trying to figure out how they can try to help, solve problems, or decry the actions of people who are doing things that are wrong? Zergneedsfood said: The most basic psychological concept is that 100% of psychological phenomena never apply to 100% of people. So it should come as no surprise then that there are exceptions to the rule, that not all people are uniform. Psychology has never once pretended to be a science that always holds true to each individual. When stating anything as being "psychological", there should not have to be mention that the concept applies to the majority (or even sometimes the minority), and not to all people. And your comment about people being more tolerant of less-biased third parties with no vested interest is also untrue for quite a few reasons. While in theory this is true, there are A LOT of factors as to why this is wrong, even more so to apply this idea to what we are currently talking about. For starters, it is very uncommon for one to either A) Seek out an unbiased source, B) Accept an unbiased source as truly being unbiased, C) For a source not to have a vested interest and D) For a person to accept that said source doesn't have a vested interest if said source conflicts with their own beliefs (otherwise, if it confirms their beliefs, then they are more likely to accept that it doesn't have a vested interest). Too be frank, there are too many reasons why this won't happen, especially when you consider sources that would be trying to bring Western Feminism to other cultures. There is going to be bias, there is going to be vested interest and those of other cultures will perceive that there is bias, or will perceive an unbiased source as being biased, or a biased source as not being biased. I really am too lazy to list the multitude of psychological theories that explain why people are more likely to believe what matches their beliefs, look for information that matches their beliefs, discredit information that contradicts their beliefs, question information's slant that discredits their belief, etc. however trust me, it exists (maybe tomorrow I'll make a list).Pirating_Ninja said: First of all, this is not basic psychology. People are not all uniform and do not all naturally turn away from criticism. Some are more open to others. Second, there's plenty of research that suggest that while people may not be willing to listen to people within their own sphere of influence, they are willing to listen to more unbiased third parties that hold less vested interest. It is basic psychology that people DO NOT like being told what to do, and while it might be logically acceptable to tell another culture how they should do "x", it is not something that they will appreciate or respond well to. Zergneedsfood said: I actually agree with this for to some degree. The problem with this though, is that this assumes that your comments will not be taken as criticism or an "attack" on their culture. For some issues, simply pointing out issues will probably not result in any "push back", however feminism is not that simple. It would be glorious if Side A only revealed a critical issue without adding any slant or Side B listened and did not feel their own beliefs were coming under attack, however to use Arabic culture for an example, this isn't the case. As "evil" as one portrays the sexism in these nations, the criticism you see of their culture is just as bad. You can't expect a culture that has been harassed consistently and been called various names like "disgusting" or "misogynistic" to even want to begin and listen to points brought up. And I know you can't deny that today's media LOVES to do this. In an ideal world this could work, but the back and forth has already escalated quite a bit, both sides in many of these "culture clashes" already know damn well (or think they do) what the other side thinks of them, so any "civil debates" aren't happening.Pirating_Ninja said: This is a problem of foreign policy execution and just, in general, how you deal with something.With minor things, there is a good chance you will at least be heard, but with the conversation in question, you are likely to garner a lot of negative attitudes directed not only at you, but at your cause as well. This does not "help" the women within that culture, who are trying to gain freedoms, but in many cases (especially with people who do not understand the reason as to WHY a culture has such values) it actually harms the cause. If I go around and spew stupid shit about how Arab countries are stuck in the stone age and should just grow up and stop being babies. Yeah, I'm going to not get very far. But there are certainly rational individuals on both sides willing to listen to whatever voice you have to say. You don't have to demand change, but revealing critical issues that you think are important is by no means the wrong thing to do. Zergneedsfood said: Kind of already touched on this, but basically I worded my initial statement a tad bit incorrectly, or rather didn't connect the dots to what I meant. It is not a question of morality, but a question of effectiveness. Sorry if bits and pieces didn't make sense, I'm tired and really didn't feel like typing a wall of my own opinions regarding culture, and the problems with these "progressive movements" trying to apply themselves to other cultures . . . I might respond to any other posts tomorrow, but I doubt it. I don't like holding debates through typing, takes way too long.Pirating_Ninja said: Again, this has nothing to do with whether or not you should be doing something. You're just listing out reasons why they don't work, which, once again, is a function of execution and public policy and not describing why something is fundamentally wrong to do.The reason why someone can call out aspects of their own culture is because they make up that group, they are part of the "in-group". Whether right or wrong, we are less likely to dismiss someone's claims if they are in our "in-group", whereas claims made by someone of an "out-group" we are more likely to not only dismiss, but believe that only those of that "out-group" hold on to such beliefs. In a way, challenging another's culture on more sensitive issues can actually solidify their beliefs that they are right. Whether this is "okay" or not is moot, since I can guarantee you, this is deeply rooted within humans, and is not an aspect subject to change so easily. |
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| I agree with some ideals and philosophy. Being completely honest, I think internet culture has discredited feminism as a whole. Just because I believe men and women should be treated equally doesn't mean that I'm a fat liberalist calling out against "muh oppreshun." I'm not even female anyways. |
| Yes, I believe that women and men should have equal rights and opportunities. I think that some feminists can get a bit carried away, though, and end up looking obnoxious in the process. A decent amount of tumblr feminists come to mind... |
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| I agree that everyone should have equal rights, but feminists like this are the ones that piss me off: |
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| Dam... 2011 Necro. Even then people understood wth was going on. If you want equality between the sexes Egalitarianism is the way to go. Feminism has never been about equality. Fuck this 3rd wave, 2nd wave, 1rst wave BS. It's all a hoax, a sham, a lie. Feminism was never about equality between the sexes. It was always about giving women the same rights as men without any of the responsibility. Bill Burr put it quite nicely, they are cherry-picking. They only want the good shit of being a man without any of the negative aspects. Dying sooner? Let men keep that. Higher rate of suicide and homeless. Women don't need that shit. Men make up 90+% of prison population, I don't see feminists trying to push for equality there. Signing up for the draft to be able to vote. Haha, men are the reason for war anyway, we shouldn't have to fight with them. Majority of workplace deaths and injuries. Nah, that doesn't sound fun. The problem with feminism and feminists is that they can only see the men at the top of the ladder. The CEO's, the politicians, the billionaires all those guys at the top of society, but guess what they are literally the 1%. Far more men can be found at the bottom of society in shitty dangerous jobs, in prison, homeless and at the end of a noose, cause they feel like they're lives are fucking worthless. They are blind to these men and pretend like they don't exist, when there are far more men at the bottom society than at the top. There is a lot more to this, including the mentality of these people, the obsession with victimhood and entitlement. The constant need to validate their existence even if it means pointing at the most mundane first world problem BS and labeling it as sexism. This shit is literally insane. Like I've said before though there are good feminists out there. Google Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia. They know wtf is going on. The most simple answer I can give though is that I'm not a feminist, because I'm a man and quite frankly feminism doesn't give a shit about men. It goes so far as to shame, guilt, ridicule and generalize men. Being a feminist does not benefit me in any way. Feminism is for the sole benefit of women and I'm not delusional enough to think that by labeling myself a feminist I can win some sort of favor with them. |
LoneWolfJul 24, 2015 4:37 AM
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battosai-01 said: The problem with feminism and feminists is that they can only see the men at the top of the ladder. The CEO's, the politicians, the billionaires all those guys at the top of society, but guess what they are literally the 1%. Far more men can be found at the bottom of society in shitty dangerous jobs, in prison, homeless and at the end of a noose, cause they feel like they're lives are fucking worthless. What kind of sense does that make? Men are at the top of society, but it doesn't matter, because there are also men at the bottom of the society? |
| The problem is that you are ignoring these men at the bottom of society and only looking at the men at the top and pretending like these are the only men that exist. You claim to be for equality, but you're only looking at the 1% of extremely successful men and complaining that there are not as many successful women. If you were truly for equality then you would want to be equal to the men at the bottom too. This is what I'm talking about when I say that feminists are cherry-picking. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You only want to acknowledge the positive aspects of being male. It's like you guys have tunnel vision, you cannot see any of the negative aspects of being a man. |
LoneWolfJul 24, 2015 4:43 AM
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| Absolutely not. I am strongly against third wave feminism, as it has destroyed equality. Third wave feminism has no right to exist. |
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battosai-01 said: The problem is that you are ignoring these men at the bottom of society and only looking at the men at the top and pretending like these are the only men that exist. You claim to be for equality, but you're only looking at the 1% of extremely successful men and complaining that there are not as many successful women. If you were truly for equality then you would want to be equal to the men at the bottom too. This is what I'm talking about when I say that feminists are cherry-picking. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You only want to acknowledge the positive aspects of being male. It's like you guys have tunnel vision, you cannot see any of the negative aspects of being a man. He has a point. It's like those Israeli feminists who never advocate for women to do 3 years like men do. If women can avoid so easily the hard and dangerous jobs, then it's a form of privilege. |
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Fizix said: Thats gender egalitarianism. Feminism is focused specifically on women only and makes assumptions using the patriarchy theory.If you define feminism as women and men having equal rights, not being defined by their gender or objectified based on their gender. Then yes. |
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| yeah, i guess. but i'm not like a misandrist or a radfem, nor do i believe in the wage gap. |
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Red_Keys said: AnnoKano said: Nice try, patriarchy.There are some MAL users who were nothing more than a glint in their father's eye when this topic was created. Isn't it about time it was left to die? Patriarchy is very good at sneak attacks. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Especially the kind that backfire.Red_Keys said: Nice try, patriarchy. Patriarchy is very good at sneak attacks. Damn you, patriarchy!! |
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PureBlueSF said: I have a lot of views that lean towards being feministic but I really don't associate with 3rd wave feminism at all. Remove your picture of Kaichou-wa-kawaii-sama. You catfished me, and I'm triggered. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
PureBlueSF said: YandereTheEmo said: Remove your picture of Kaichou-wa-kawaii-sama. You catfished me, and I'm triggered. omg stop it, chek ur privilig!!!11 I can't stay mad at you... you're too cute. I'm sorry, I wasn't being nice to your individual sensibilities as a marginalized class of anime character. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
YandereTheEmo said: PureBlueSF said: omg stop it, chek ur privilig!!!11 I can't stay mad at you... you're too cute. I'm sorry, I wasn't being nice to your individual sensibilities as a marginalized class of anime character. This conversation got me so triggered I started singing that In Flames song. Are songs called 'Trigger' triggering? |
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| can a guy be a feminist? what do i do to join? |
| I got tired of playing male characters in mmo's so i made my first real female character in WoW seen as I decided to try it out to see what the fuss was about. A female pandaren who im very proud of totes my main character now. Anyway 20minutes in this dude starts saying hi to me, then he starts "running into me" through out the early missions, then he starts calling me cutie and hitting on me. Asshole. Still not a feminist though, because I know theres asshole gamers for both males and females, they hit on women and its annoying and they call other males faggots and insult them someting harsh. Basically the problem isn't men its assholes in general. If I had been a feminist I might have taken to twitter to bitch and moan and start another pointless hash tag campaign and become a real attention whore over it. |
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| sure i am for equal rights, but as bill burr said, some treat it as a buffet and only pick the good shit about being a man and leave the bad stuff that comes with the package. so if they want to be treated like an equal i have no problem with that, as long as what they call "equal" really is equal |
| i make terrible youtube videos, dont click the link unless you have literally seen everything else in existence https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH8qW8C2w0PNpTGlA-0r_HA |
| I feel like I might have responded to this already... Ah well. Nope not a feminist, an equalist. |
SyndiciateJul 25, 2015 10:08 PM
| Feminism is bullshit. I'm an egalitarian. |
| "Dakimakura aren't meant for fucking." -Moog, January 2015 When a site's moderators warn you for condemning a troll, you know their moderators need to be changed out. |
Syndiciate said: I feel like I might have responded to this already... Ah well. Nope not a feminist. I'm an equalist. I think equalism has perverted goals and is tantamount to the same false god worship that has been going on throughout pretty much all of history. |
| Now you're wondering if there's white text in any of my other posts. Over there, I'm everywhere. I know that. |
icirate said: Syndiciate said: I feel like I might have responded to this already... Ah well. Nope not a feminist. I'm an equalist. I think equalism has perverted goals and is tantamount to the same false god worship that has been going on throughout pretty much all of history. The ways in which you perceive the world around you, which ties deeply into your own religious principles, are so inveterate that much of what you write becomes inherently unintelligible, or at the very least, irrelevant unless one presupposes religious principles and philosophy are, in some form, just or true. In this regard, there's no reason to expound on or spread such slews of information to those who do not adhere to the same faith, as rooting an argument's evidence nigh-entirely on the presupposition of verses being just and true, with much interpretation to come, is to null an argument rudimentarily against such principles. TL;DR - Progressivism is our new god. Let the devil into your soul and be free. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
TheBasedNico said: There's a saying I once read that applied to political parties, whose exact words escape me, that amounted to "If both sides despise me, I must be doing something right." Now, sometimes you're just plain wrong (See: Donald Trump), but I try to strive to support equality. However, I don't believe this uptick in 'Why video games are a blatant form of sexism' garbage that is pushed out by insecure people on a power trip of self-righteousness is anything more than obviously thinly veiled misandry by people bullied and believe 'Now is OUR time', which is clearly saying they support women being dominant over men.Wayponpon said: Feminism is bullshit. I'm an egalitarian. I like how both feminists and anti-feminists both say egalitarianism is inherently bad. If anything it's a slight balance between the two. I'm quite supportive of fair treatment of all men, women, races and religions or whatever other divides need naming. But that doesn't mean I need to 'check my privilege', I know full well being a white male has its perks, but that doesn't mean I need to delude myself in self-superior piety that I 'found the light' through Tumblrisms. I find the 'progressive' side of the spectrum to be just as out of touch with reality as the 'conservative' side of those values. It bugs me when I tend to be the person who sees both sides of the fences because I'm called a liberal pussy by the conservatives and a conservative nutjob by the progressive side. In truth, I just try to hold a 'balanced' view because I feel it can allow more insight that letting the scales tip too far left or right. I'm a hesitant progressive minded person while most people today just say "DO IT! IT'S FAIR!" I ask how it's a possible detriment to society. Take gay marriage, I see nothing about it being detrimental, so I don't care that it's passed and with female equality I feel equality is a double-edged sword. I believe women should be on the exact tier of treatment as men, for good and ill. I think women should be paid equally to a man, but I also believe a woman who strikes you with her fist deserves to be decked right back if her punch wasn't justified same as you would a man. |
| "Dakimakura aren't meant for fucking." -Moog, January 2015 When a site's moderators warn you for condemning a troll, you know their moderators need to be changed out. |
| I am a female feminist. The thing is, a lot of people who claim themselves to be "feminists" are actually misandrists. The definition of feminism is "the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men." The last three words give it away. People who talk about men in a rude manner and put women above them are "misandrists". |
Wayponpon said: TheBasedNico said: There's a saying I once read that applied to political parties, whose exact words escape me, that amounted to "If both sides despise me, I must be doing something right." Now, sometimes you're just plain wrong (See: Donald Trump), but I try to strive to support equality. However, I don't believe this uptick in 'Why video games are a blatant form of sexism' garbage that is pushed out by insecure people on a power trip of self-righteousness is anything more than obviously thinly veiled misandry by people bullied and believe 'Now is OUR time', which is clearly saying they support women being dominant over men.I like how both feminists and anti-feminists both say egalitarianism is inherently bad. If anything it's a slight balance between the two. I'm quite supportive of fair treatment of all men, women, races and religions or whatever other divides need naming. But that doesn't mean I need to 'check my privilege', I know full well being a white male has its perks, but that doesn't mean I need to delude myself in self-superior piety that I 'found the light' through Tumblrisms. I find the 'progressive' side of the spectrum to be just as out of touch with reality as the 'conservative' side of those values. It bugs me when I tend to be the person who sees both sides of the fences because I'm called a liberal pussy by the conservatives and a conservative nutjob by the progressive side. In truth, I just try to hold a 'balanced' view because I feel it can allow more insight that letting the scales tip too far left or right. I'm a hesitant progressive minded person while most people today just say "DO IT! IT'S FAIR!" I ask how it's a possible detriment to society. Take gay marriage, I see nothing about it being detrimental, so I don't care that it's passed and with female equality I feel equality is a double-edged sword. I believe women should be on the exact tier of treatment as men, for good and ill. I think women should be paid equally to a man, but I also believe a woman who strikes you with her fist deserves to be decked right back if her punch wasn't justified same as you would a man. I agree with most of what you said, but heres the thing: women are paid equally. It's a pseudo-economical pipe-dream that claims women are paid less for the same exact job, regardless of circumstances, time in occupation, etc... the same exact job. The data even depicts this. The issue with the pervasive wage-gap myth is that it paints broad brush strokes of how the economy actually functions, and how labor is dulled out. If someone goes on extended maternity leave, or leaves entirely to start a family, they will not be paid equally to someone who worked the whole way through. However, even with such principles, women still make more than men, on the whole, until around the age of 35-39 (depending on one's figures), which statistically represents a cultural choice, rather than a pervasive inequity. And let's be realistic here: if you could pay any group less than another for the exact same labor, as a reasonable businessman, you would be inclined to do so. It's the exact reason why we outsource labor. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
DayP said: I am a female feminist. The thing is, a lot of people who claim themselves to be "feminists" are actually misandrists. The definition of feminism is "the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men." The last three words give it away. People who talk about men in a rude manner and put women above them are "misandrists". There's still time for you to be saved, so I'll help you here. The statement that feminism advocates for "women's rights" on the grounds that they need to be "equal to men," presupposes that they are, as of now, below men, and furthermore, that any issues regarding men can be disregarded by feminist principles, as they are of the privileged gender. That is one core, philosophical flaw in how feminism operates in the modern world. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
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