DateYutaka said: Art and animation are two different things, and yes animation is much better now, because now they have much more advanced technology.plintus said: I think the new animation is much MUCH better. how can one truly judge this unless you you disect a sceen inch by inch at base level maybe but is it realy gotten bettter no imo cause the trade off of less detailed art has killed that idea dead there is less detail in the art nowadays |
deadjames said: Bacano! yes I've seen it isn't it like Jazz music? I think the music was good from what I remember. I've heard a couple of songs off Beck isn't it like Radiohead type crap? Sorry I didn't like what I've heard. Can't remember any songs from Hellsing but have seen it. Good stuff.BlackSabotage said: Have you seen Hellsing, Beck, Baccano!, or Darker than Black? Those are all newer shows that I feel have really exceptional music.rederoin said: I'm just going to be honest I havent heard any good songs in modern anime except maybe a few catchy techno tracks but you can't beat You wa shock and Pegasus Fantasy lol.Kuraaiiya said: rederoin said: I only watch currently airing anime. DateYutaka said: older anison is better than newer songs in anime Haibane renmei, kino's journey and Sora no woto all have better music than most(if not all) old school anime. Not to mention how much better the OST's of anime made in the 2000's are. If you count Berserk as an old school anime, then definitely not all. Sure the op and ending are mediocre, but the other tracks are works of a transcendental genius I was more or less talking about the 70's and 80's. |
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deadjames said: It's easy to get the two mixed up but Art > Animation.DateYutaka said: Art and animation are two different things, and yes animation is much better now, because now they have much more advanced technology.plintus said: I think the new animation is much MUCH better. how can one truly judge this unless you you disect a sceen inch by inch at base level maybe but is it realy gotten bettter no imo cause the trade off of less detailed art has killed that idea dead there is less detail in the art nowadays |
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rederoin said: I only watch currently airing anime. DateYutaka said: older anison is better than newer songs in anime Haibane renmei, kino's journey and Sora no woto all have better music than most(if not all) old school anime. Not to mention how much better the OST's of anime made in the 2000's are. I agree that "Kino no Tabi" and "Haibane Renmei" has wonderfull and qualitative OST, that much stronger than majority of fresh works, but not majority of oldschool ones. And all they are objectively losing to anime music from 60s to 90s. Take "Maison Ikkoku" for example, "Saint Seiya" and "Touch". There are greatest OSTs ever made. Take even "Rurouni Kenshin" (more modern). Not to mention blues and jazz masterpiece OST from "Cowboy Bebop". And again not to mention masterpiece music from early studio Ghibli works ("Nausica of the Valley of the Wind", "Grave of Fireflies", "Laputa Castle" and so on). It's same as compare classical music with modern with classical resemblance. First one is definately win. So, congratulations with your absolute nonsence and ignorance. We can only sympathize. Just as I said, oldchool beats newschool in any aspect. And it's not subjective. But you may think all that you want, heh. |
Evil_GeniusMar 28, 2013 9:33 PM
BlackSabotage said: First of all Radiohead is anything, but crap and secondly, no the music on Beck sounds nothing like Radiohead, it's all done by Beat Crusaders and there's a pretty wide variety of music on it, but most of what you hear is the band the main characters play in which is based heavily on Rage Against the Machine, but there's also a lot of blues and like early 60s British pop sounding stuff.deadjames said: Bacano! yes I've seen it isn't it like Jazz music? I think the music was good from what I remember. I've heard a couple of songs off Beck isn't it like Radiohead type crap? Sorry I didn't like what I've heard. Can't remember any songs from Hellsing but have seen it. Good stuff.BlackSabotage said: Have you seen Hellsing, Beck, Baccano!, or Darker than Black? Those are all newer shows that I feel have really exceptional music.rederoin said: I'm just going to be honest I havent heard any good songs in modern anime except maybe a few catchy techno tracks but you can't beat You wa shock and Pegasus Fantasy lol.Kuraaiiya said: rederoin said: I only watch currently airing anime. DateYutaka said: older anison is better than newer songs in anime Haibane renmei, kino's journey and Sora no woto all have better music than most(if not all) old school anime. Not to mention how much better the OST's of anime made in the 2000's are. If you count Berserk as an old school anime, then definitely not all. Sure the op and ending are mediocre, but the other tracks are works of a transcendental genius I was more or less talking about the 70's and 80's. |
| Hokuto no Ken Saint Seiya Gatchaman Mazinger City Hunter Kamui are some I remember right now, which where epic, also the music in the old days was better, opening and ending song too. Now days I rarely enjoy an opening or ending of a show. The only thing which still is good and I appreciate is the BGM/OST. But hands down the old days had better music, it was epic, like Saint Seiya. |
Zero_samaMar 28, 2013 10:59 PM
deadjames said: I didn't mean to offend you if your a Radiohead fan but I just recall generic college rock like I saw em on SNL and the music was pretty darn forgettable . The main thing I recall is the lead singer was doing a sorta funny dance both songs like he was tweaking on drugs or something. Rage against the machine is decent but I still don't like the idea of their drummer being on the new Sabbath album. I'll look up the music from beck again and check it out :DBlackSabotage said: First of all Radiohead is anything, but crap and secondly, no the music on Beck sounds nothing like Radiohead, it's all done by Beat Crusaders and there's a pretty wide variety of music on it, but most of what you hear is the band the main characters play in which is based heavily on Rage Against the Machine, but there's also a lot of blues and like early 60s British pop sounding stuff.deadjames said: Bacano! yes I've seen it isn't it like Jazz music? I think the music was good from what I remember. I've heard a couple of songs off Beck isn't it like Radiohead type crap? Sorry I didn't like what I've heard. Can't remember any songs from Hellsing but have seen it. Good stuff.BlackSabotage said: Have you seen Hellsing, Beck, Baccano!, or Darker than Black? Those are all newer shows that I feel have really exceptional music.rederoin said: I'm just going to be honest I havent heard any good songs in modern anime except maybe a few catchy techno tracks but you can't beat You wa shock and Pegasus Fantasy lol.Kuraaiiya said: rederoin said: I only watch currently airing anime. DateYutaka said: older anison is better than newer songs in anime Haibane renmei, kino's journey and Sora no woto all have better music than most(if not all) old school anime. Not to mention how much better the OST's of anime made in the 2000's are. If you count Berserk as an old school anime, then definitely not all. Sure the op and ending are mediocre, but the other tracks are works of a transcendental genius I was more or less talking about the 70's and 80's. Just checked it out. It's ok. Nothing special but not awful.:P |
EmperorDemonGavaMar 29, 2013 3:38 AM
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miereneronaile said: I'd like to take this time to point out that modern music in general isn't really good. Not one good song has entered the top 40 in a long ass time.DestrNameless said: rederoin said: I only watch currently airing anime. DateYutaka said: older anison is better than newer songs in anime Haibane renmei, kino's journey and Sora no woto all have better music than most(if not all) old school anime. Not to mention how much better the OST's of anime made in the 2000's are. I agree that "Kino no Tabi" and "Haibane Renmei" has wonderfull and qualitative OST, that much stronger than majority of fresh works, but not majority of oldschool ones. And all they are objectively losing to anime music from 60s to 90s. Take "Maison Ikkoku" for example, "Saint Seiya" and "Touch". There are greatest OSTs ever made. Take even "Rurouni Kenshin" (more modern). Not to mention blues and jazz masterpiece OST from "Cowboy Bebop". And again not to mention masterpiece music from early studio Ghibli works ("Nausica of the Valley of the Wind", "Grave of Fireflies", "Laputa Castle" and so on). It's same as compare classical music with modern with classical resemblance. First one is definately win. So, congratulations with your absolute nonsence and ignorance. We can only sympathize. Just as I said, oldchool beats newschool in any aspect. And it's not subjective. But you may think all that you want, heh. You know, I was about to go and youtube those songs you listed as great to see if I agreed. I thought it was the least I could do before replying to your comments about old music being superior. Then you said 'And it's not subjective. But you may think all that you want, heh.' See, gtfo. Taste in music is not subjective? Good music is not subjective. Heh indeed. Modern music in anime is easily better than older anime music. Its not even subjective, bro. |
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miereneronaile said: It is Subjective ,but when somebody says Ke$ha is good music i'm not going to take them seriously. There's a certain point to where were being ridiculous but if you prefer modern anime then just watch modern anime. I'll watch both old and new anime but modern music I mostly avoid with a few exceptions ofcourse.BlackSabotage said: miereneronaile said: I'd like to take this time to point out that modern music in general isn't really good. Not one good song has entered the top 40 in a long ass time.DestrNameless said: rederoin said: I only watch currently airing anime. DateYutaka said: older anison is better than newer songs in anime Haibane renmei, kino's journey and Sora no woto all have better music than most(if not all) old school anime. Not to mention how much better the OST's of anime made in the 2000's are. I agree that "Kino no Tabi" and "Haibane Renmei" has wonderfull and qualitative OST, that much stronger than majority of fresh works, but not majority of oldschool ones. And all they are objectively losing to anime music from 60s to 90s. Take "Maison Ikkoku" for example, "Saint Seiya" and "Touch". There are greatest OSTs ever made. Take even "Rurouni Kenshin" (more modern). Not to mention blues and jazz masterpiece OST from "Cowboy Bebop". And again not to mention masterpiece music from early studio Ghibli works ("Nausica of the Valley of the Wind", "Grave of Fireflies", "Laputa Castle" and so on). It's same as compare classical music with modern with classical resemblance. First one is definately win. So, congratulations with your absolute nonsence and ignorance. We can only sympathize. Just as I said, oldchool beats newschool in any aspect. And it's not subjective. But you may think all that you want, heh. You know, I was about to go and youtube those songs you listed as great to see if I agreed. I thought it was the least I could do before replying to your comments about old music being superior. Then you said 'And it's not subjective. But you may think all that you want, heh.' See, gtfo. Taste in music is not subjective? Good music is not subjective. Heh indeed. Modern music in anime is easily better than older anime music. Its not even subjective, bro. You do that, and Ill happily keep laughing at you for thinking music is not subjective. |
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| City Hunter is great and all but the art..I'm sorry but I just couldn't get myself to like it( the art, that is).I don't like how the girls were drawn.Some of them look somewhat masculine.Sorry,but that's just me.I still watch it occasionally on Animax though. Oldschool anime that I really like are Doraemon,Dragon Ball and Slamdunk. |
mapotofuuMar 29, 2013 4:37 AM
mapotofuu said: The girls in City Hunter are sexy beast! Not your lil lolis and moe girls you get today but real women with spunk and attitude!City Hunter is great and all but the art..I'm sorry but I just couldn't get myself to like it( the art, that is).I don't like how the girls are drawn.Some of them look somewhat masculine.Sorry,but that's just me.I still watch it occasionally on Animax though. Oldschool anime that I really like are Doraemon,Dragon Ball and Slamdunk. |
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BlackSabotage said: Not your lil lolis and moe girls you get today but real women with spunk and attitude! But... Loli is eternal  |
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YorozuyaGinSan said: Thats not a Loli. Don't ever call her a loli!BlackSabotage said: Not your lil lolis and moe girls you get today but real women with spunk and attitude! But... Loli is eternal miereneronaile said: I still think a lot of new music is good though. Easy mistake I guess. I just honestly haven't heard hardly anything worth while. Then again I didn't even care for 90s music but the 90s had some great anime. |
LunaMar 29, 2013 11:56 AM
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DestrNameless said: rederoin said: I only watch currently airing anime. DateYutaka said: older anison is better than newer songs in anime Haibane renmei, kino's journey and Sora no woto all have better music than most(if not all) old school anime. Not to mention how much better the OST's of anime made in the 2000's are. I agree that "Kino no Tabi" and "Haibane Renmei" has wonderfull and qualitative OST, that much stronger than majority of fresh works, but not majority of oldschool ones. And all they are objectively losing to anime music from 60s to 90s. Take "Maison Ikkoku" for example, "Saint Seiya" and "Touch". There are greatest OSTs ever made. Take even "Rurouni Kenshin" (more modern). Not to mention blues and jazz masterpiece OST from "Cowboy Bebop". And again not to mention masterpiece music from early studio Ghibli works ("Nausica of the Valley of the Wind", "Grave of Fireflies", "Laputa Castle" and so on). It's same as compare classical music with modern with classical resemblance. First one is definately win. So, congratulations with your absolute nonsence and ignorance. We can only sympathize. Just as I said, oldchool beats newschool in any aspect. And it's not subjective. But you may think all that you want, heh. You have no idea how music works in any form or way. In the end of the day, how good music is or how good anime is subjective. BlackSabotage said: ] I'd like to take this time to point out that modern music in general isn't really good. Not one good song has entered the top 40 in a long ass time. Most music fans(not including 'dad rockers' like yourself) don't care about the top 40. If you don't know how to search for music, its your own fault. Mod Edit: Merged posts. |
LunaMar 29, 2013 11:33 AM
| I still enjoy old animes like Lodoss (oavs ofc) and the Tsukasa Hojo touch, which is unique in the way of representing and truly appreciating the Woman's body. Hojo's art is beyond compare, and far above all this foodservice for virgins we've been covered of for years. Although i also really do enjoy those 21th century anime forum trolls fighting around for hours, so much fun. So much beauty. That's modernity. |
| My list - "Let's share our lame sides" (Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou) |
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DateYutaka said: Dont start back the insults we don't wanna get locked again 0.0RisingCascade said: TookMe6Years said: RisingCascade said: lol Otaking failing yet again. "Old" has a different connotation to the pertaining person who uses the term. Old may mean 60s and stuff to you but it mainly goes as to when the person started watching anime or what the earliest year was that the person started. Not everyone started in the 60s like you, in fact, 97.5% of those peeps haven't even been born yet! :D People can always lie about their age. Who is Otaking? Old school? I'd say a bare minimum of 20 years of work. Why not 10 years? Score sounds more credible than decade. But to be more clear with what I am trying to say is even if 10 years have past the artwork can still be passable to the current artwork. 20 years gives you a better look at the difference in my opinion. Otaking=DateYutaka AKA "only my opinion matters because I've seen 32908253095823095823098502385092358 different anime" As I've said before. There can be different meanings of "old school" when regarding anime. Since I started in '07 I even consider stuff like Azumanga Daioh old to me. you have a screwed sysrem of age |
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| I think that oldschool anime like City Hunter, Galaxy Express 1999, Grendizer or Captain Future will go down in history 'cause it's these series which popularized mangas and japanese series all over the world. They opened the way for most recent success series such as Dragon Ball ... It's the situation in France, where Akira (the movie) and the french show : Club Dorothée, allowed mangas to become very popular. |
Suzumii said: What the ... Club Dorothée destroyed everything about anime with mass censorship, retard dubs and dumb entertainment.It's the situation in France, where Akira (the movie) and the french show : Club Dorothée, allowed mangas to become very popular. It acted as a brake, not as a catalyst. |
| My list - "Let's share our lame sides" (Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou) |
rederoin said: You have no idea how music works in any form or way. No, u! Because, just as I said, classic will not be classic if there would be no objectivity. You just even have no idea what is objectivity and subjectivity. Don't mix up it with people tastes. And again - But you may think all that you want, heh. |
Sh0wdown said: I think in the late 1980s, France was the western country that aired the most anime (see for example my on-hold list). And this is mostly due to Club Dorothée, which also allowed the French 90s anime boom, which in turn made France probably the most Japanophile country in Europe (I think France has the highest number of Japanese learners right now). I don't understand how anyone can minimize Club Dorothée's role.Suzumii said: What the ... Club Dorothée destroyed everything about anime with mass censorship, retard dubs and dumb entertainment.It's the situation in France, where Akira (the movie) and the french show : Club Dorothée, allowed mangas to become very popular. It acted as a brake, not as a catalyst. |
EratiKApr 9, 2013 6:20 AM
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EratiK said: Yup.I think in the late 1980s, France was the western country that aired the most anime (see for example my on-hold list). EratiK said: Nope. Once again, CD turned gold into crap with mass censorship, retard dubs and dumb entertainment, while we already had a lot of decent TV shows. And i do not minimize CD's role, i indeed admit it had a huge and horrible impact on anime in France, sadly.And this is mostly due to Club Dorothée By the way guys, would you consider Noir as old-school? It has a great City Hunter / Lain feeling (Kirika makes me think of Lain sometimes) to me. |
| My list - "Let's share our lame sides" (Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou) |
Sh0wdown said: By the way guys, would you consider Noir as old-school? Of course not, because it was created even not in 90s. |
| So I checked and you were right Sh0down, Club Dorothée only had the majority of airing anime during the 1990s. During the 80s it was split between CD, Récré A2, Youpi! L'école est finie, and FR3 Jeunesse/Amuse 3. |
EratiKApr 9, 2013 6:47 AM
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Sh0wdown said: Not enough to disqualify it imo. Even only it's enough. That's why I don't see sence to put other reasons. Don't mix up old-school with nostalgia. There is bond, but it's not the same. Really the era of old-school in anime ended in early 90s. Even not in late. "Slam Dunk" and "Macross Plus" were ones of last ones old-school animes (for now this is true). |
| You can't go by when it was made and stop there. Take Kikaider for instance. It began in 2000 but it really looks and feels like it was from 1989 or something. Right down to the really rounded and cartoony Tezuka-esque character models and affection toward those old "[insert thing] Rider" shows, much like similar series like Guyver did. |
I’m just excited to see my Lord and Savior, Baphomet, represented in such glorious Italian stone. I do hope his eyes gaze upon me and that my allegiance is recognized. |
| Can. Because if someone will do anime fully in "old-school style" right now it will not be old-school anyway. |
| So some of you see Noir as a modern anime? Sounds weird to me. This show is totally oldschool to me. Why do you care so much about the year of release ? Look the animation, designs, dialogues, action scenes, blood scenes, pace, plot development, etc ... everything has been done oldschool style. Do you think Classical music played/written during the 20th century cannot be considered as Classical music? "Old-school" is not about "when" but about "how", it's a whole paradigm to me. |
| My list - "Let's share our lame sides" (Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou) |
Sh0wdown said: So some of you see Noir as a modern anime? Sounds weird to me. This show is totally oldschool to me. Why do you care so much about the year of release ? Look the animation, designs, dialogues, action scenes, blood scenes, pace, plot development, etc ... everything has been done oldschool style. Do you think Classical music played/written during the 20th century cannot be considered as Classical music? "Old-school" is not about "when" but about "how", it's a whole paradigm to me. Have you read what I wrote? Old-school =/= classic. Old-school =/= nostalgia. Etc, etc... There is strong bond, but it is not the same. DestrNameless said: If someone will do anime fully in "old-school style" right now it will not be old-school anyway. However, "Noir" could be classic after some time. Like "Cowboy Bebop", which actually already became classic, in spite of it was created in 1998. After decades years you can definately say it's old-school. |
Sh0wdown said: So some of you see Noir as a modern anime? Sounds weird to me. This show is totally oldschool to me. Why do you care so much about the year of release ? Look the animation, designs, dialogues, action scenes, blood scenes, pace, plot development, etc ... everything has been done oldschool style. Do you think Classical music played/written during the 20th century cannot be considered as Classical music? "Old-school" is not about "when" but about "how", it's a whole paradigm to me. uh...i don't think you can compare 'old school' with 'classical'. the former refers to practices adopted in the past. so it does matter 'when' something was made. if a modern anime does something 'old school', it is only trying to emulate 'old school' anime and is not old-school' per se |
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DateYutaka said: RisingCascade said: DateYutaka said: RisingCascade said: DateYutaka said: Sh0wdown said: DestrNameless said: Not enough to disqualify it imo.Sh0wdown said: By the way guys, would you consider Noir as old-school? Of course not, because it was created even not in 90s. post 2000 is not old sorry its not Here we go again... 2000 may be old for some people, though maybe not you. Can't believe you still have to only believe your views are the only relevant ones. its common sense animation in Japab has been since 1917 thats 96 years 13 years is under 25 percent of the Total age of the midum in question is young Again, your views, your opinion. It's not like everyone's going to agree that animation from the 90s is considered "new." Take note that most of MAL was born in that decade. Therefore, it's the viewer that ultimately decides what old and new are to him or her. hello i was born in 85 When exactly did you start to represent most of MAL? |
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yhunata said: DateYutaka said: RisingCascade said: DateYutaka said: RisingCascade said: DateYutaka said: Sh0wdown said: DestrNameless said: Not enough to disqualify it imo.Sh0wdown said: By the way guys, would you consider Noir as old-school? Of course not, because it was created even not in 90s. post 2000 is not old sorry its not Here we go again... 2000 may be old for some people, though maybe not you. Can't believe you still have to only believe your views are the only relevant ones. its common sense animation in Japab has been since 1917 thats 96 years 13 years is under 25 percent of the Total age of the midum in question is young Again, your views, your opinion. It's not like everyone's going to agree that animation from the 90s is considered "new." Take note that most of MAL was born in that decade. Therefore, it's the viewer that ultimately decides what old and new are to him or her. hello i was born in 85 When exactly did you start to represent most of MAL? Lupadim represents most, if not all of Mal. |
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YorozuyaGinSan said: He doesn't represent me >.>yhunata said: DateYutaka said: RisingCascade said: DateYutaka said: RisingCascade said: DateYutaka said: Sh0wdown said: DestrNameless said: Not enough to disqualify it imo.Sh0wdown said: By the way guys, would you consider Noir as old-school? Of course not, because it was created even not in 90s. post 2000 is not old sorry its not Here we go again... 2000 may be old for some people, though maybe not you. Can't believe you still have to only believe your views are the only relevant ones. its common sense animation in Japab has been since 1917 thats 96 years 13 years is under 25 percent of the Total age of the midum in question is young Again, your views, your opinion. It's not like everyone's going to agree that animation from the 90s is considered "new." Take note that most of MAL was born in that decade. Therefore, it's the viewer that ultimately decides what old and new are to him or her. hello i was born in 85 When exactly did you start to represent most of MAL? Lupadim represents most, if not all of Mal. |
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