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Mar 18, 2013 2:13 PM

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Oh boy, what is Saki planning?

Mar 18, 2013 2:46 PM
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MHSDKIJFAH I CANT WAIT D: but actually i thought that that kid of maria and mamoru was a girl i mean they call him a him so i got confused ... anyway saki can't kill her. satoru just needs to shut up :c and shun needs to come back D: .... oh they all need to come back on how it was ;-; but this got so intresting c: <3
Mar 18, 2013 3:45 PM
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Wow.. GREAT episode as usual, Can't wait for the next episode.
Mar 18, 2013 5:36 PM

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So... I guess some of you people just can't accept the fact that you've fapped to a trap? ;D

As for the episode, the PsychoBuster destruction scene could have been a bit more convincingly done, other than that great ep.
Ewww Kiromaru covered in bat dung. D;
Mar 18, 2013 9:10 PM
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XartaX said:
I don't quite see why Saki just incinerated the psychobuster/anthrax. Couldn't she just have made a strong blow of wind to protect Satoru and still infect the kid? They're just spores. Meh.


Probably for plot purposes. Strong wind + air bubble is more than enough.




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Mar 18, 2013 11:23 PM

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If I'm not mistaken she explain the kill the weak 1 because they tend to become fiend? As they are weak they scare of others-emotional breakdown?
And from the mirror carving its seems that her sister can't control Cantus properly.
I guess the anime cannot provide all the fine details, but in the novel the reason she was killed was because a poor control of Cantus can easily cause interference of Cantus which can be very dangerous to all around. This interference and its danger was mentioned a couple of times in anime too, as recently as Shisei asking all human on the square not to use power when he was using his to protect them against the queerat attack. It has little to do with fiend or goma. Remember goma is a case of uncontrollable leak of cantus, not just a case of inability to use cantus properly.


it seems personality play a role in creating karma demon too for example Izumi-chan as Tomiko-san said she's too gentle thats why she end up becoming karma demon.

Anyone know what will happen if their cantus clashed?
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Mar 19, 2013 2:07 AM

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i think the secrets are going to be revealed soon... hope the end doesn't ruin the entire image of the series
Mar 19, 2013 3:52 AM

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ITS TIME TO RAISE YOUR HANDS. RAISE YOUR HANDS FOR KIROUMARU! RAISE YOUR HANDS AND PUT THE MUCH EFFORT YOU CAN FOR THE ONLY EXISTING HOPE OF THE FUTURE HUMANITY!
DO IT! DO IT NOW!

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Mar 19, 2013 5:29 AM

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Nequam said:
XartaX said:
I don't quite see why Saki just incinerated the psychobuster/anthrax. Couldn't she just have made a strong blow of wind to protect Satoru and still infect the kid? They're just spores. Meh.


Probably for plot purposes. Strong wind + air bubble is more than enough.


I agree, I just think it's a weakness of the writing/script, if so. Or plothole, if you want.
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Mar 19, 2013 7:46 AM

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XartaX said:
Nequam said:
XartaX said:
I don't quite see why Saki just incinerated the psychobuster/anthrax. Couldn't she just have made a strong blow of wind to protect Satoru and still infect the kid? They're just spores. Meh.


Probably for plot purposes. Strong wind + air bubble is more than enough.


I agree, I just think it's a weakness of the writing/script, if so. Or plothole, if you want.
While I don't disagree with your complaint about weakness of the writing/script you should also noted when it comes to Cantus Saki is pretty much just another person in the village. I think everyone in the village know how to burn things(LOL) but not everyone know how to control wind like Shisei. The same reason why Satoru is always the one who create the mirror because Saki couldn't do it.


"A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie."
Mar 19, 2013 7:57 AM

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For those who said Yakomaru is a revolutionary hero, who fights to free his people from slavery...
remember back in episode 4~6, when he defeated the Ground Spider (with the help from Satoru and later Kiroumarou's army), he then stole Ground Spider's babies to use them as slaves.. remembering this kinda disappointed me, Yakomaru should be a hero who fights against slavery on his people (by humans), but he pretty did the same thing back in the early episodes..
Mar 19, 2013 1:28 PM
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Like Saki herself said, it was her fault they failed to defeat the fiend. It was due to her selfish ego that she didn't want to be alone. Satoru should've let her hold the psycho-buster. Then probably she would've made it even at the cost of her own life.

I laughed at her idea of using a mirror against the fiend. It was absurd that Saki didn't think the fiend had ever looked at her own face. Of course she must have already when she looked into water before.

Kiromaru also tried to rebel against human in the past, and he still dislikes human repression of queerats. It was a bit shocking that even Kiromaru wanted to exterminate humans, but it's quite natural and understandable. Now what will Saki do to them after she defeats Yakomaru squad? Or what can she do for them? Unless humans fully free them, they will keep having rebellious minds toward humans. Can Saki persuade other humans? Probably it's impossible due to ego and fear of those people. Perhaps it's better for her to become a spirit like Shun if possible. And how will she defeat the squad at first? It seemed she got a hint from Shun's words--that girl was not a fiend. But thinking of her stupid idea of mirror earlier, I don't expect so much.

By the way, how old are Saki and Satoru in this episode? Maria's child looks like a teen already, but Saki and Satoru have not changed in appearance since Maria left them.
Mar 19, 2013 3:03 PM

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Saki and Satoru are 26.
Mar 19, 2013 5:06 PM

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Tyrel said:
So with the final episode next week, will it have included everything from the Novel?


With all that they changed and skipped while adapting this episode and the recent ones before it, I would say they won't have included everything. They will finish it somehow but how much they cover unless it is just a 25 minute monologue by Saki is anyone's guess. They sure have left a lot for the final episode. We will likely need to wait for the final BD's Chronicles extra and director commentary to see what they were thinking about for their adaptation.

Mar 19, 2013 6:48 PM

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I'm confused why Satoru didn't experience any feedback since he obviously had ill intent to another human. Also, it was pretty obvious that although Saki was trying to destroy the psychobuster, she did in fact hurt the kid. At the moment, I feel like there are numerous ways to circumvent the feedback which bothers me. The death feedback should be further explained since it plays a vital part in this anime.


I agree. It's like they took the death feedback and tossed it out the window this episode. Satoru hurts/kills two rats to get the fiend's attention but suffers no death feedback like in the previous episodes.

And I'm pretty sure they made it clear that death feedback is inherited in their DNA...so technically the fiend should be suffering from killing all those people. It wouldn't make a difference if it was a rat or a human.

I like the story though just wish there was more.
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Siva said:
XartaX said:
Nequam said:
XartaX said:
I don't quite see why Saki just incinerated the psychobuster/anthrax. Couldn't she just have made a strong blow of wind to protect Satoru and still infect the kid? They're just spores. Meh.


Probably for plot purposes. Strong wind + air bubble is more than enough.


I agree, I just think it's a weakness of the writing/script, if so. Or plothole, if you want.
While I don't disagree with your complaint about weakness of the writing/script you should also noted when it comes to Cantus Saki is pretty much just another person in the village. I think everyone in the village know how to burn things(LOL) but not everyone know how to control wind like Shisei. The same reason why Satoru is always the one who create the mirror because Saki couldn't do it.


Meh, she made an airbubble when underwater earlier (unless someone else did it for her, which brings me to my next sentence).

You could also ask what she's doing there in the first place if she's that useless...
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GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Mar 20, 2013 7:29 AM

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DeathfireD said:

Satoru hurts/kills two rats to get the fiend's attention but suffers no death feedback like in the previous episodes.


You don't get death feedback from killing rats.

In the earlier episodes he got just tired from using his Cantus so much, priest Rinji got Death Feedback because some of all those queerats looked a bit like humans if looked from that distance.
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XartaX said:
Meh, she made an airbubble when underwater earlier (unless someone else did it for her, which brings me to my next sentence).

You could also ask what she's doing there in the first place if she's that useless...
Cantus is an awesome power but that doesn't mean everyone can do anything with it. Otherwise they don't bother creating a school and teach you how to use your Cantus. In episode 18, Saki was so impressed by Shisei who was capable of controlling wind and that is in a way saying that she doesn't know how to do it.

It has already 24 episodes and you still ask me that question? When did this show was all about who is awesome at using Cantus?
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Mar 20, 2013 7:46 AM

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DeathfireD said:

I agree. It's like they took the death feedback and tossed it out the window this episode. Satoru hurts/kills two rats to get the fiend's attention but suffers no death feedback like in the previous episodes.
Satoru killing rats never triggers death feedback. If you think it will then you are misinterpreting what is shown in previous episodes.

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And I'm pretty sure they made it clear that death feedback is inherited in their DNA...so technically the fiend should be suffering from killing all those people. It wouldn't make a difference if it was a rat or a human.
Here you also understand it incorrectly. While it is true that the death feedback is inborn in the DNA the death feedback works by the principle of killing "one of your kind". And it is a huge difference here.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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Siva said:
]Cantus is an awesome power but that doesn't mean everyone can do anything with it. Otherwise they don't bother creating a school and teach you how to use your Cantus. In episode 18, Saki was so impressed by Shisei who was capable of controlling wind and that is in a way saying that she doesn't know how to do it.
You are absolutely right here. Inui can control electricity to recharge the library archive but Saki cannot. Satoru can create mirror but Saki cannot. Shisei can control wind but Saki cannot. Maria can leap and jump far on snow but Saki cannot. Some power I am sure is shared by most people -- like lifting a big stone in air, but many require practice and special focus, which is why they need to be taught and trained in school. We already see how everyone is working on something different in school.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Mar 20, 2013 7:58 AM

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eminagnam said:
Like Saki herself said, it was her fault they failed to defeat the fiend. It was due to her selfish ego that she didn't want to be alone. Satoru should've let her hold the psycho-buster. Then probably she would've made it even at the cost of her own life.
I would not say it is her ego. I interpret it as a very human failure of getting too emotional at the prospect of grave loss and once she realized it it was already too late (she had burnt the psychobuster already).

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I laughed at her idea of using a mirror against the fiend. It was absurd that Saki didn't think the fiend had ever looked at her own face. Of course she must have already when she looked into water before.
We never know what kind of life the kid went through in the queerats' care. They may have taken good care to not let it see its own face. To be honest, I once tried to imagine my life without any mirror or glass surface, and honestly I don't think there is much chance for me to see my own face in water -- not all running water is clear or still. Besides don't forget before the kid is let out, it may have never encountered a human. So even if it know how it looks, it is still possible for the queerats to train it to see any bipedal creatures that do not look like one of their kind (queerats) to be enemy and thus needs to be eliminated.

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By the way, how old are Saki and Satoru in this episode? Maria's child looks like a teen already, but Saki and Satoru have not changed in appearance since Maria left them.
As some said already, Saki and Satoru are 26 and the kid is just aged 9 or so, not a teen. And if you actually compared the appearance from an early episode, say ep10, Saki and Satoru indeed have change their appearance but perhaps not drastically.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Mar 20, 2013 9:08 AM
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The ogre was scary to look at when it became enraged after looking in the mirror. The next episode is the last one, so I hope it wraps up everything well. Yeah, even though the changes are subtle, you can tell that Saki and Satoru have aged.
Mar 20, 2013 2:26 PM

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yay nice episode really intense. The akki is really quite the beauty lol

wonder how it will end
Mar 21, 2013 2:57 AM

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Holy shit.


Just watched 20 to 24 and I can't seem but to say holy shit.
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Mar 21, 2013 7:03 PM

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I hope that in the end, Saki and Satoru can make it out alive together; that is with the death of the Akki as well not just letting it live. I really can't see victory and justice being displayed without the death of the Akki, even if he is Maria and Mamoru's child.

Yay! Finally caught up to this series even if there's only going to be one episode left^^

Can't wait for the next episode! >.<
Mar 22, 2013 7:49 AM

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just please don't end this anime in flowers and rainbows since i have a filling that Saki's plan is creating an illusion of Maria and Mamoru , hope that if the boy(yes its a boy) discovers that hes a human dies horribly of deathfeedback bc he will know that he killed his own kind
and i need more scumbag and cruel Yakumaru
just please i need an ending that will have impact on me
R;N was blah and PP ending was nice but it was just kill the bad guy kind of end
i wanted more psychological confrontation between Akane,Kogami and Makishima
Mar 26, 2013 3:53 AM
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i hope they make a season 2 or something loven this so far hope the demon girl in some epic plot twist becomes good
Mar 27, 2013 11:09 PM
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Maria's daughter is cute ^^

I can't believe the next episode is the last one... :(
Mar 29, 2013 9:39 PM

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I cried when the Minoshiro went boom.
Apr 3, 2013 6:17 PM

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The buildup towards the end is great! I really wonder what the last episode will include! Lets find out!
Apr 11, 2013 11:42 AM

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THIS SHOW.

It's just... awesome.

Saki.. girrrlll.. you blew up the psycho buster! agghhh
I understand why, but dammit!
Apr 29, 2013 5:53 AM

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That seem stupid from Saki. Satoru threw that thing so he should have been a decent distance away from it and he was only a few meters away from her. If her position was safe then she had more than enough time to pull satoru to her before the dust reaches him. Or instead of fire she could use air to push the dust to the away even more. If she pushed the air in opposite direction then there no way that it would have affected them.

Anyway still after that when the fiend(yeah not a fiend but we have no name|) was alone it was an easy kill for Kinomaru. It can't kill Queerrats. Yet they let their chance go by and let it reunite with Yakomaru.

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>Dat dress
>Dat tattoo
>Dat hair
>Dat scream
I want to do unspeakable things to this trap.

So Kinomaru WAS a good guy. I feel shameful for doubting him. Next episode is the finale! I really enjoyed this anime, such a crazy ride just like Psycho pass.



So hard not to see it as a girl really.
Kinomaru was a good guy? Hardly. If Yakomaru is considered to be a bad guy then Kinomaru is no different. It's just that Kinomaru didn't manage to find a useful weapon against humans. He admitted himself that if he did he would be doing the same as Yakomaru.
In the end is not about being bad or good. Is simply a fight between two different species. Each wants the best for it's kind.
The question is, why do this rats have human intelligence? How did they became like that?
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Did she really just blow up the Psychobuster? Oh my god... I understand why, but seriously? She just risked the future of all humans on the planet... :/

I can totally understand Kiroumaru's way of thinking. I like how they came up with something that doesn't necessarily make him bad or good.

I wonder what's Saki's plan. It would be funny if it was something lame like hugging him :D
Maybe showing him his parents (a drawing/picture of them)? Nah I don't think he remembers them.
May 17, 2013 4:53 AM

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FCK man one episode left...
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process.
Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers.

Jun 20, 2013 12:08 PM

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Saki blowing up the Psychobuster was a pretty stupid and selfish move.
Jun 30, 2013 1:24 PM
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I'm sad to say that I'm pretty heart broken as to the direction of this series.

I'm glad that there wasn't a epic plot twist involving Kiroumaru. But...

I'm confused why Satoru didn't experience any feedback since he obviously had ill intent to another human. Also, it was pretty obvious that although Saki was trying to destroy the psychobuster, she did in fact hurt the kid. At the moment, I feel like there are numerous ways to circumvent the feedback which bothers me. The death feedback should be further explained since it plays a vital part in this anime.

Also, although I'm a fan of this anime, I'm kind of disappointed how this series turned out if there aren't any more twists in the final episode. After the encounter with the 'fiend' I thought the finale was going to be something along the lines of Saki figuring out epic plan X to defeat the 'fiend' and save the world.

But instead we got...

The plan is actually a disease that wipes out PK user which is located in this random far away place that no one goes to. Oh yeah, as a bonus only one vile is preserved in a secret safe after the 1000+ years...

The 'fiend' is not actually a fiend, he/she is a human thinking that it is a queerrat so as a result it probably only has the feedback towards queerrats (it's own kind). And Saki's plan is probably trying to beat the 'fiend' with Kiroumaru...

For me, this anime had high potential and so much suspense built up; but if it ends how I think it it will, I feel like the creator has dropped the ball and made a potential epic series into an above average one.



I think you are right with some stuff, but at the same time wrong. Not gonna write a book about it, but about the death feedback atleast. Thing is that Satoru used the item to kill the "fiend", and the death feedback only activates when using cantus on another human, which he didnt. He had the intention to kill, but never used his cantus, but the item. And Saki used the cantus on the item, which means that the item did hurt the fiend but with sakis flames. So basically, the item was like gas, and saki used fire on it, but towards the item. So the cantus itself was directed to the item!

And I personally think this series became much better when they grew older, and they had more focus on Satoru and Saki. So intense and exciting!
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Jul 4, 2013 1:54 PM

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What an intense episode. The only queerat I respect is Kiroumaru. He is a great tactician and a good leader. And here comes the final episode ^.^
Sep 21, 2013 10:43 AM

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shit it is only illusion -_-
poor kid..
Oct 16, 2013 4:22 AM
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What? Everyone sacrifice themselves and our greatest leader saki cannot let her friend go? What a shitty turn of events. Sorry but it seriously fucked up all the story they built with details so far. I hate it when they do this, the enjoyment i get from the show suddenly turned into discontent. Great. Take the show this far and ruin it by such a stupid thing.
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Julle said:

I think you are right with some stuff, but at the same time wrong. Not gonna write a book about it, but about the death feedback atleast. Thing is that Satoru used the item to kill the "fiend", and the death feedback only activates when using cantus on another human, which he didnt. He had the intention to kill, but never used his cantus, but the item.


Sorry but that is plain bullshit. Nowhere in the series the death feedback was related with using cantus, on the other hand if you really think he didn't get death feedback because he was attacking a fiend and not a human then I doubt we are watching the same series. Go watch it again, you clearly didn't understand a single part of it.
Oct 26, 2013 7:55 PM

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Saki burning the Psychobuster seemed very stupid but I think it may turn out to be a good decision. If the child isn't a Fiend, I'm really looking forward to finding out what's going on.
Jan 24, 2014 3:43 AM

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5/5

Kiromaru finally admit it, but I think it is forced by circumstances, however, are not yet sure of him.
Saki, could do better, but I share his fears. Plot not bad, same thing for storytelling.
I hope the final lives up to what has been built so far! : D
Apr 20, 2014 1:20 PM

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One more episode to go..... Hope the last episode would be good!
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SAKI, BE CLEARER PLEASE. EVEN IF I'M MARATHONING IT, DON'T LEAVE ME ON SUCH A HUGE CLIFFHANGER. Also, only one episode left, I really wonder how they will all tie it up. I also really wonder what Shun and Saki mean by ''he's not a fiend''.

I really liked Kiroumaru honesty right here. It was like all his manliness and pride shined from him :P
Magestic as fuck, even covered in poop.

Man, these episodes are so stressing, I don't see them past. I will miss the world the story builded. It was amazingly done, everything seemed coherant and nothing that happened in the story was irrelevant to the plot. That's some amazing writting skill right here. Will we get a happy (well, in the context there in) ending, or will Saki end up alone aging while awaiting dead? As the narrator, she often sounded nostalgic and bitter, like if all the event carry a lot of weight on her shoulder. She seemed often full of remorse too. I hope she doesn't end being a cold leader as Tomiko. She had her reason, but she sacrified her own soul for the humanity and what was left was a cold shell making difficult decision. It doesn't suit with Saki personnality, it would break her.
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she should have already told satoru about shun
saki is kinda bitchy to satoru
Jun 17, 2014 12:35 PM

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If I can see Yakomaru being incinerated on the final episode, this would be the best anime I've ever watched.
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Things are coming to a head. Now that the psychobuster is out of the question I'm interested to see how this will turn out.
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what a waste blowing that anti-PK weapon, feel bad for inui..

time to see this come to an end

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I love Kiroumaru, just such a good character
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stupid stupid saki. she's not that rational than she should. wasted the fine anthrax.. :/
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