Girls und Panzer Episode 9 Discussion

symbv said:
We should never forget that those ships are much much bigger than any real carrier too. So it is just the external form that is looking like an aircraft carrier but most likely it was never built to function like a real aircraft carrier. This is also why I have my doubt why someone wrote that the Ooarai is an old ship -- we can see the ship was based on a WWII carrier appearance instead of a modern carrier but that is no evidence that the ship was built in an older time than other school-ships.

Takuan_Soho said:


Actually the scale tricked you. Though most of the deck is taken up by the town, in episode 1 when they do the pull back there is quite clearly (er, if you are obsessed like me and pause it that is :-) a runway on the left side of the ship, takes up the middle third of that side of the ship.

I actually paid close attention to those AA placements after watching the first episode. In the second episode Miho is standing on one of them and it is quite clear that they are scenic observation decks.

I have to agree more with Symbv, why ruin a fun show by bringing politics into it. So I doubt they will do so overtly. Symbolically though is a different matter.

We should probably step away from the "alternative to war" motif and just focus on the idea of parents taking sports a tad too seriously, where as kids usually play sports for fun. When you go to a pop warner football game (here in the US, I imagine Hockey in Canada is the same), it isn't the kids who are screaming and yelling at the ref or making a big deal about losing, its the parents. This is probably the point of the animation. Of course it is easy to see that for many people, particularly in international competition, they view it as "akin to war" than a good nature competition.

Takuan_Soho said:
Actually the scale tricked you. Though most of the deck is taken up by the town, in episode 1 when they do the pull back there is quite clearly (er, if you are obsessed like me and pause it that is :-) a runway on the left side of the ship, takes up the middle third of that side of the ship.

tachime said:
Am I the only one who can't find the runway? Here's another overview of the ship from the beginning of episode 2.

Takuan_Soho said:


Try first episode around the 22:21 to 22:30 you can see it on the right side of the screen (left side of the ship). I might have judged the scale wrong from that view, but you can certainly see that there are two runways on that side. I believe they screwed up on the second episode picture, in episode one you can see the runway at the same level as this picture, but on this picture it looks like they transformed it into what looks like buildings and the triangle towards the front of the ship is the runway.

Aversa said:
Do they even have a legal drinking age there?
I mean Russia is more tolerant then my country towards alcohol and my country doesn't have a drinking age.

nseika said:
Seeing this is the national tournament, those are actually Japanese.
There's also a 4koma series in Pixiv that keep a running joke that Daarjeling is just a Japanese girl pretending to be British (and her real name is Dajiri ^^; )

About the tank... there's theory in this topic that Ooarai is actually an old ship compared to the other schools.
The possible scenario is, they've been participating in tank since the early days before retiring and in those days, it's normal to use mixed composition, any tank you could get/salvage.
In the other hand, the newer schools have the clean slate to build a whole new tank division composed of tanks from similar country, or they have the budget to rebuild their old tank lineup. While Ooarai, under difficult financial situation, had to sell away their tanks.

tachime said:

Oh I see. Never thought it is the runway. It is light yellow, not like the usual asphalt concrete road color.
That aside, episode 8 also has a view of the whole ship (when both Ooarai and Pravda ship park, around 9:10). It is consistent with the episode 2 ship. Maybe the episode 1 ship is the one which is screwed up? lol

symbv said:
T- Only the Stg III got winter camouflage, and there is a reason for that.

- Sugiyama, a producer of GirlPan, said winter battle reminds him more the Battle of the Bulge than the Russian Front.

- Katyusha was a song common in primary school music textbook when Sugiyama was a pupil but he is not sure if the song is still being taught in schools in Japan.

- We had planned for more witticisms from Darjeeling as well as history reference comments from the History Girl Team in many episodes, but because of length limit we had to cut them.

Takuan_Soho said:


I am curious as to what that reason for only the Stu is.

The church looked more western than eastern, and Orthodox church would have created a more "Russian" feel. Plus it being winter, trapped in a small town, even without the "nuts" comments to just looked like the Battle of the Bulge, regardless of the participants.

That answered a question I had. My wife knew the song when I played it. So it wasn't just the producers class but the entire countries elementary school system that had it. I will have to check to see if they are still using it.

Hope they animate those and put them on the Blu Rays. That would definitely spike sales.

SayuriUliana said:
Episode 10 Preview Pics

hudang said:


where's the tiger????

i want my tiger now..
looks from the preview still no tiger.. sigh..

SayuriUliana said:
Episode 10 Preview Pics

okanagan said:
Jyuu-niDesu wrote:
Well it's a better tank than the Type 89 [any tanks of WW2 is better than the 89].

Before you decide, check out the 7TP tank. Yukari is a big fan of the 7TP since she was wearing a pink t-shirt saying 7TP when the three girls went to visit Mako's grandma in the hospital. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7TP

Apparently the 7TP did see extensive action during the war. When I say "extensive action" I don't mean that it was used for many years. I don't thnk there was any battle when the 7TP came up against the Type 89 so we'll never know for sure which was the better tank.

7 stands for seven tons, even though it was actually a bit heavier.
T stands for tank
P stands for Polish

Jyuu-niDesu said:
Interestingly the Japanese also envision a super large tank during the early years of the war. code name O-I, weighing in at 120 tonnes and comparable to the largest tank in the world in size, the gigantic Pzkpfw VII Maus. It would have a 105mm guns and 2 rocket launchers. Also 2 smaller 37mm guns in twin turret(like the 7TP TT) in front of the main armament and 7 machine guns. armor would have been 200mm(twice the Tiger's!).Power comes from two V12 diesel engine.Rumor has it that one prototype was completed and sent to Manchuria although this is unconfirmed.

It would have been mad, the O-I, on the battlefield. But this is nothing compared to the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte!! Insanity at it's peak.

Takuan_Soho said:


Thank you for that tank information, that was fascinating and confirmed something that I was talking last night to my wife about. The Japanese military obsession with size (and how I think it really hurt them in the war).

Japan had limited access to resources, but they spent a ton of them on making the biggest battleships in the world (Yamato and Musashi), the largest submarines of the war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400_class_submarine (fascinating history there),
and were in the process of creating the largest aircraft carrier of the war (which was sunk by a single torpedo, which sort of shows the stupidity of the bigger was better philosophy). That this also applied to the Army really doesn't come as a surprise, but I had never thought to apply it to find out. So again thank you very much.

On a side note, this is a good deal of information about the possibility of Japan being fairly close (at least closer than Germany) in creating an atomic bomb. The factory was located in what is now North Korea and was dismantled and taken back to the USSR by the triumphant Soviets. This I believe has never been followed up on, so it is just a rumor, though a very possible one (few people realize how good Japanese science was before the war).

A piece of the rumor was a German Uboat that made a mad dash for Japan the days before Germany surrender. There is a lot of belief that it contained Germany's fissionable uranium supplies (as well as other treasures). Of course it was sunk so we will never know.

About Germany Technology Transfers to Japan:
http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/KRUPP%20KUGELPANZER.htm

Jyuu-niDesu said:
People keep bragging about Yamato's size and awesome power, and how it would do in a one to one engagement of a North Caroline or Iowa class battleship. I would leave that away.

Jyuu-niDesu said:
Living in a former Japanese occupied country, you can here much of Japanese brutality. I don't know much about nuclear program in Japan, but the Japanese did tried to produce nerve agent for counter attack in the Americas. using the I-400 to send planes to west coast of America and gassing the cities. The worst part is how they tried this gas on humans in manchuria.

I have encountered people who said that it was the Japanese fault for the brutality, in which to I reply is a human fault. No one should has the right to put the japanese at the center of all the war crimes. Japan just happen to be dictated by the wrong humans. The Japanese people have worked hard to built their country from a war torn hell hole to a buzzing country that is the 3rd largest economy, and I applaud that. [Funny enough, The German and the Japanese tried to conquer europe and asia respectively in WW2,yet today they conquered it economically] Are you living in Japan?, If you are, hope for a speedy recovery to the recent disaster.

I love Japan and Japanese culture( where the majority of people here has switch to Korean) and until I can get enough cash, hope to go there one day....ta

Jyuu-niDesu said:


Interestingly the Japanese also envision a super large tank during the early years of the war. code name O-I, weighing in at 120 tonnes and comparable to the largest tank in the world in size, the gigantic Pzkpfw VII Maus. It would have a 105mm guns and 2 rocket launchers.

SayuriUliana said:
A couple of corrections. The Panzer VII is actually the Lowe (Lion), while the Maus is the Panzer VIII. Also, while the Maus was certainly one of the larger tanks ever produced, it's far from the largest: the title would belong to the French Char 2C, which is slightly larger in physical dimensions. The Maus does have the title of being the heaviest AFV ever developed.

Takuan_Soho said:


Having not experienced first or second hand Japanese brutality, I am a little hesitant to speak on such a topic, but I would agree that for European countries (including the US and other Anglophone countries) to blame Japan is more than a bit hypocritical. During the Boxer Rebellion, the Japanese forces were the most professional army, the European forces were beyond brutal. This, as well as the Russo-Japanese war taught them how to play the Imperialism game. And they were apt students.

But this is not to say that the Japanese were not brutal, they had lived under one of the most totalitarian regimes for nearly 350 years. The Meiji era brought material benefits, but did nothing to loosen control the elites held on the country. Thousands of Japanese were shot before the war to preserve the elite, the army was also pretty much given carte blache to terrorize any civilian who dared stepped out of line (the nail that stands up gets smashed down). One of the reason the drafted Japanese soldier and civilians were so scared of surrendering was because they knew how their army acted and could only imagine others being worse.

Indeed the entire Japanese war plan after Midway was to throw as many Japanese they could at the allies in the hope of causing enough damage to preserve the Japanese elite who remained safely hidden. The greatest regret I have is that the US didn't execute Showa for war crimes, in many ways the military who were killed were scapegoats (not saying that they didn't deserve it, but that some people who skated deserved it more).

I agree with your sentiments that blaming Japan today is a bit misplaced, however speaking from an outsider, I can understand the bitterness that those countries have. At the same time, it is uncomfortable to see governments using anti-Japanese sentiment not to express legitimate rage, but to further their own petty governance. This is particularly true of China. They still venerate Mao, who, despite the legends, collaborated with the Japanese in order to weaken the Nationalists, and then subjected the Chinese people to even worse brutality than the Japanese. Truth and reconciliation is needed, but if there isn't going to be truth, there will never be reconciliation. But again this is easy for me as an outsider to say, the reality for people who lived through it is something I have no right to deny. I can only state my opinion.

I am curious though where you are from. The phrase "switch to Korean" I think is interesting, since it suggests you are not Korean but decided to speak Korean. Are you by chance from the Manchurian region of China near the Korean border? If you are actually Korea may I ask where? I visited there twice, have wonderful memories of it.

SayuriUliana said:


A couple of corrections. The Panzer VII is actually the Lowe (Lion), while the Maus is the Panzer VIII. Also, while the Maus was certainly one of the larger tanks ever produced, it's far from the largest: the title would belong to the French Char 2C, which is slightly larger in physical dimensions. The Maus does have the title of being the heaviest AFV ever developed.

Jyuu-niDesu said:
I'am residing in a very small and probably unknown to the west.Nope, not Korea, sorry. K-pop and Korean cultures, not to mention Korean products have replaced Japanese as the most popular foreign culture over here in tropical and sunny South East Asia. The Imperial Japanese actually landed here on the same day as the attack Pearl Harbor as the advance south to Singapore. We had our fair shares of brutality from the Japanese, but also from communist forces.

Takuan_Soho said:

Humm, you have raised my curiosity, and like the girl in Hyouka that isn't a wise thing to do :-)

Okay, you gave me a clue that I could use Wikipedia to check (fall of Singapore), but that would be cheating, so I am going to work it out myself. You didn't say that the island was a country, so Penang in Malaysia would be my first guess. Large ethnic Chinese population, but at the same time not overly Chinese. Malaysia in the 50's had a serious communist problem that was eventually put down by the British, and being a former British colony that would explain your good English. I haven't been to Malaysia since 1995, and unfortunately missed Penang (but I did visit Tioman Island, another possibility since it is pretty close to Singapore it would be my second guess) but they were heavy into Japanese goods and culture then, but I can easily imagine them having switched to Korean by now.

How is that for a guess?

Of course Penang isn't exactly a small island, so that would be a strike against it against it. Tioman would more fit the bill, but it isn't exactly unknown to the west (South Pacific is set on the Island). It shouldn't be one of the Thai islands like Koh Samui or Koh Samet, since the Japanese didn't (I believe really pressing my memory) occupy Thailand, outside of the part needed to support their operations in Burma (i.e. the Bridge over the River Kwai (Okangan, another great war movie there)).

An island in the Philippines is a possibility, but that seem more opposed to the fact pattern you provided. But there are more than enough Chinese there that would match your personal pattern. Vietnam, Cambodia and Indonesia should all be out due to their history of Chinese purges.

okanagan said:
In Post #195 Marina2 wrote:
There is rumor that that will air 10.5 in place of ep.11 for some reason
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-13420.html
Maybe a key clue is this very brief tweet that GaruPan Director Tsutomu Mizushima (水島努) sent out 18 hours ago:
根本的な、私の戦略ミスだ。
Using Google Translate, ( http://translate.google.com/#ja/en/ ) what I get from this is
Fundamental, My Strategy Miss It.

okanagan said:
I tried hard to find any anime discussion forum in Taiwanese without success. There are too many search engine hits from China. Please point us to this forum.

Jyuu-niDesu said:
I'am residing in a very small and probably unknown to the west.Nope, not Korea, sorry. K-pop and Korean cultures, not to mention Korean products have replaced Japanese as the most popular foreign culture over here in tropical and sunny South East Asia.

Takuan_Soho said:
it is uncomfortable to see governments using anti-Japanese sentiment not to express legitimate rage, but to further their own petty governance. This is particularly true of China. They still venerate Mao, who, despite the legends, collaborated with the Japanese in order to weaken the Nationalists