You don't know that. Neither do I. If the rationale for getting help gets through to OP, then voila! If not, no amount of repetition is going to help. HungryForQuality said: I just wish the oppressed would be more honest with themselves. Like the guy who has a meltdown over women not getting with him despite claiming to be sexually and I'd guess socially satisfied by hookers and strippers. If that's true, who fucking gives a shit? And then he apologizes cuz he ain't such a bad guy. He's not fucking like that! 😢. Trying to salvage his oh so precious MAL reputation. Fucking has me in stitches chief. I fucking hate backtracking and why the fuck was that post so formal? :D It's pretty simple, don't you think? The very fact that he's complaining here is the biggest refutation of his idea that you can be satisfied with just strippers. Or perhaps, he's trying to convey that sexual satisfaction =/= emotional satisfaction, in which case the former would mean jackshit and only harms his argument again. HungryForQuality said: And then there are the girls who put on this big fucking list of standards, trying to command a no-nonsense presence over the MAL thread fucking sprawling with desperate dudes who are totally not desperate. They give zero fucks, that's why they think and talk about it constantly. Trying to be fucking authoritative over desperate people on MAL fucking forums to feel good about yourself. Hijacking this plea of a thread much like the desperate dudes yet so convinced that y'all are complete opposites. Is this what we've come to as a community? :D She's 18. How many dates do you think she's had? Ok, maybe more than me but try googling some points in her list. She didn't even write that list herself lmao. It's a copypasta from tumblr-tier sites written by oh-so-wise gossip ladies. And you should've guessed the extent of her intellect from her extremely original response 'Who hurt you?'. Here, I've got some memes of my own about the meme that she is: She's a total fucking caricature lmao. This is 110% entertainment. HungryForQuality said: Though the flip side can be just as bad. Getting served new flavors of shit. Different flavors of assholes and despair and surprisingly monotony. Ah it can feel so depressing but hell it also keeps you on your toes kinda in an ironic way. And that's something ain't it? We live, we learn, and we (hopefully) change :D Fuck I'm rambling ain't I? Just couldn't get these thoughts outta my head the more I read this fast growing thread. I'm sorry. That's easy. Just don't stay here for more than an hour a day. This thread is exactly what MAL needs. Stuff like this is what breeds drama and drama breathes life into forums. I was actually thinking of making a MGTOW-esque club here on MAL with you-know-who members and actively attack you-know-who caricatures hence forcing them to create a club of their own and unleash a shitstorm on CD but meh, I'm too old for that shit now. Anyways, there's absolutely nothing to complain about this thread. This shit was solid entertainment. 10/10 |
AncapAnimeGod said: At this point I came to the conclusion that your either a troll or an idiot. I hope that it's former, but then again you are a commie so it wouldn't surprise me if it's the later. Only thing left for me to do is to wish you Bone Voyage on your trip with your FREE helicopter ride. C'mon, how can you be this fucking dense? You're not on /pol/ or r/thedonald, save your oh so dank memes for them, you're wasting them on us, please. |
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| @KindUnicorn I left this fun thread a few days ago. Why are you sending me this message? |
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| @KindUnicorn Are you serious with that reply? I don't know how much of that was aimed at me, but wow I haven't seen such a bitter and hateful rhetoric in a long time... I get that you're angry at men on tinder, but how does that have anything to do with some lonely people on an anime site that probably don't even use dating apps? (I personally don't). My point was that you were just making the whole thing about you and your experiences rather than staying on topic or trying to help this guy in any way. Your "advice" was just a laundry list of standards that apply specifically for you... its not really helpful for most average guys and it was mostly you just complaining... Also the biggest thing is just your lack of understanding or compassion and how you don't even see how privileged you are. Here you are complaining about all these men giving you all kinds of attention, sexual or otherwise and some guys can't even get women to acknowledge they exist. You live in a completely different world and sure it might be annoying for you sometimes and I'm not going to pretend like I know what it's like to constantly get that sort of attention, but you just can't simply see the other side and how this kind of loneliness affects other people. |
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Ryuk9428 said: NthDegree said: @Ryuk9428 Well, I'm glad that you feel like this thread has helped you. I suppose since you shared something personal I should do the same. I have a bf, however, although we both work, my pay is significantly better than his. In our situation traditional gender roles make zero sense... Heck, the reverse is much more likely, seeing that my bf is much better at cooking and chores than I am. What would you do in a situation like that as a supporter of traditional gender roles? Do you have an argument that would convince me to act against the economic interest of the both me and my bf? Please note that when someone is against traditional gender roles, it doesn't mean that they want to outlaw stay-at-home moms or something. It simply means that they are against trying to peer pressure everyone to fit into that mold, whether it makes sense or not. It is perfectly viable to be for example a progressive feminist while adhering to the traditional family structure. What people like me want is for all kind of roles to be accepted for any gender, including the traditional one. People should be free to choose for themselves. If that's what works out for you guys then I think you should do it the way that it works for y'all. I just want to do it this way because I feel like taking that stress burden off of my future wife will make both of our lives better. I do think I worry a little bit that some women feel that people will look down on them if they are a housewife because certain people are so determined to get rid of those traditional gender roles, but that fear was magnified way out of proportion by my sexual frustration which puts me in a weird mood of thinking everything is going to destroy the world lol. Isn't this exactly what I was debunking in my reply to you though? Nobody is trying to 'get rid of' housewives, if that is what the woman in question wants. They simply want to give them a choice in the matter. The reality is that most marriages end in divorce. If you think about this from the perspective of a housewife, it is actually a terrible deal. By staying at home, you are ensuring that you have no relevant work life skills and no job on your own. So if you break up, you will be extremely poor and have no way of providing for any potential children you may have. Not to mention, unless the country you live in has a decent day care system you don't even have time for a job, forcing you to social supports. It's essentially hell. Meanwhile, the break up often means little to the husband economically, unless they agree to take some of the children (which is very rare). Therefore this leads to a situation where a housewife cannot talk back to the husband no matter what out of fear of breaking up. Meanwhile the husband is free to bring up the possibility of divorce if the housewife says anything that annoys them, since the only thing the husband would lose in such a case is their companionship. IRL women have even withstood abuse from their husbands because they really have no other choice. From my perspective, there is little freedom in being a housewife. That being said, I'm sure that works for some people... However, it is most definitely not everyone. For example, if you are poor to begin with, there is little to lose. What feminism wants is to give options to women. So for example, an efficient day-care system can ensure that both parents can work if they want to and furthermore it allows single parents to work so they don't have to be dirt poor getting by only the social benefits. Similarly the society should not expect that a parent has time to come to the children's after school clubs etc. Of course, nobody forces you to use these services, but you can if you want to and well... the grand majority of parents in my country want to (being a housewife is really rare here). In the end, it's a win-win situation for everyone. I have heard some stories from people who moved to US from here, and a lot of them say that the system there expects one parent to stay home. So when you say the households where both parents work seemed stressed out, I don't actually doubt it. Like no offense to you guys, but your social policies suck. There are plenty of other countries where the majority of people prefer to work, just because the system allows it. So yeah, the reason they're stressed out is not because one parent staying at home is inherently better, but because the child support system in your country is built around it. What is needed is a political change in the system that allows the both parents to work without having to bend over backwards. These are things such as paid maternity leaves, cheap or free daycares and after-school clubs. And don't say those things are impossible, since plenty of European countries have them. I'm pretty sure US is like the only Western country that doesn't have a maternity leave. Whoops, sorry about the wall of text. I just like my feminism, so I have a lot to say. |
NthDegreeJun 20, 2019 7:10 AM
Every group has toxic people. Why did she make a video about them? You don't see me making a video about My Little Pony sex fiends. I know most fans just like the show. Proportionally, very few celibate men are like this. All she did is give normal celibates who are just hurting and already shunned another bad rep. Fuck her. And of course this video is made by someone who is very beautiful (ignoring the extremely unattractive ear gauges and nose/cow ring. Just like "How tall are you" threads are always made by tall people. |
EzekielJun 20, 2019 7:38 AM
Crzy_Minus said: I suggest trying to get at least some people to talk to him or that at the very least you keep being there for him. Can you reach him over a messenger? Does he live completely on his own, does he live with family or does he have flat mates? That might not cure his "no-sweetheart"-loneliness nor his mental state, but might at least make it easier for him to live his life. Plus, with more people, it might be easier to encourage him to look for help when needed.As title above, he's been feeling suicidal about this. He's also been lonely for a very long time, not too long ago he installed the app and has had no luck at all with it. Crzy_Minus said: Does he want to have the one person with whom he can have a close bond, talk to a lot, and optionally: even fulfill his sexual needs? It would be neat if such a person were available for everyone, but sadly, this is more often than not not the case. It's probably much easier to have all the different functions of a lover split up and spread to the connection with multiple people. This will likely not cure him, either, but at least, he might feel much better than being completely on his own and just aiming at getting the one super person for everything. If he has some people around him, he might eventually get more relaxed and smile (more) naturally. Once he does, some of his friends could sneakingly take a photo of it and then he might be more successful with it than with a stiff-seeming selfie or with a posed photograph.He wants somebody to be with from the opposite gender and also someone who matches his common interests, as well as personality and appearance, so what should he do? |
NthDegree said: Ryuk9428 said: If that's what works out for you guys then I think you should do it the way that it works for y'all. I just want to do it this way because I feel like taking that stress burden off of my future wife will make both of our lives better. I do think I worry a little bit that some women feel that people will look down on them if they are a housewife because certain people are so determined to get rid of those traditional gender roles, but that fear was magnified way out of proportion by my sexual frustration which puts me in a weird mood of thinking everything is going to destroy the world lol. Isn't this exactly what I was debunking in my reply to you though? Nobody is trying to 'get rid of' housewives, if that is what the woman in question wants. They simply want to give them a choice in the matter. The reality is that most marriages end in divorce. If you think about this from the perspective of a housewife, it is actually a terrible deal. By staying at home, you are ensuring that you have no relevant work life skills and no job on your own. So if you break up, you will be extremely poor and have no way of providing for any potential children you may have. Not to mention, unless the country you live in has a decent day care system you don't even have time for a job, forcing you to social supports. It's essentially hell. Meanwhile, the break up often means little to the husband economically, unless they agree to take some of the children (which is very rare). Therefore this leads to a situation where a housewife cannot talk back to the husband no matter what out of fear of breaking up. Meanwhile the husband is free to bring up the possibility of divorce if the housewife says anything that annoys them, since the only thing the husband would lose in such a case is their companionship. IRL women have even withstood abuse from their husbands because they really have no other choice. From my perspective, there is little freedom in being a housewife. That being said, I'm sure that works for some people... However, it is most definitely not everyone. For example, if you are poor to begin with, there is little to lose. What feminism wants is to give options to women. So for example, an efficient day-care system can ensure that both parents can work if they want to and furthermore it allows single parents to work so they don't have to be dirt poor getting by only the social benefits. Similarly the society should not expect that a parent has time to come to the children's after school clubs etc. Of course, nobody forces you to use these services, but you can if you want to and well... the grand majority of parents in my country want to (being a housewife is really rare here). In the end, it's a win-win situation for everyone. I have heard some stories from people who moved to US from here, and a lot of them say that the system there expects one parent to stay home. So when you say the households where both parents work seemed stressed out, I don't actually doubt it. Like no offense to you guys, but your social policies suck. There are plenty of other countries where the majority of people prefer to work, just because the system allows it. So yeah, the reason they're stressed out is not because one parent staying at home is inherently better, but because the child support system in your country is built around it. What is needed is a political change in the system that allows the both parents to work without having to bend over backwards. These are things such as paid maternity leaves, cheap or free daycares and after-school clubs. And don't say those things are impossible, since plenty of European countries have them. I'm pretty sure US is like the only Western country that doesn't have a maternity leave. Whoops, sorry about the wall of text. I just like my feminism, so I have a lot to say. Divorce actually is really bad for men. From an economic standpoint and a social standpoint. The courts rarely give custody to the man, even if he is the better choice. He loses his wife's companionship, and often times, the courts make the man give very large sums of money for alimony and child support. A guy can see nearly half of his income drained by things like this. And it doesn't help to be rich because after you get divorced you're expected to provide "lifestyle adjustment" which basically says that the woman got used to a certain lifestyle while being married so the guy now has to pay to maintain that lifestyle. Men really don't have much incentive to get divorced. Which is why 70-80% of divorces are actually initiated by women. If women initiated divorce as often as men do, our divorce rate would actually get cut in half. I'd say that there's actually too much incentive for women to get divorced from a guy because the courts give them too much. I've seen women who were housewives get into pretty decent jobs even after being a housewife for two or three decades. They don't usually get super high paying jobs but I've seen them pretty easily get jobs that pay like around $60,000-80,000, which is not bad at all, at least where I live that can get you a comfortable home, and a nice vacation every year or two. I think to explain large gaps in the resume a woman really just has to say that she was a housewife and employers don't hold it against them. And I would argue that taking care of children and a household is actually a very good life skill to have. Being a mother can even be considered a strong point on your resume if you apply for like a human resources job for example because mothers have to learn how to handle conflicts. The problem with "the system allows you to do that" is that "allows you" very quickly morphs into "you have to." The way a lot of companies are is that they want to pay their employees as little as possible and get the most work out of them as possible. I'd argue that the American system already expects both parents to work and that this has made being a housewife much more financially difficult to do now whereas in the recent past it wasn't as difficult. The reason being that companies used to expect that a family was living on one income and therefore, paid them enough to be able to survive on that. Since companies don't have that expectation now, they can afford to pay people a lot less and because both parents work in European countries, jobs become a lot more scarce and many European countries have very high rates of unemployment in comparison to the United States. If being a housewife was more normal, then companies would need to pay each person enough money for them to be able to expect to support a family off of. It also wouldn't be so easy to fill their jobs so they'd be more reluctant to fire people if they worried it would be difficult to replace them. European countries have had to rely on a lot of socialist policies in order for their people to really live at the standard we do because Europeans really don't have that much money. The middle class in European countries don't make nearly as much money as Americans do and many of them have to live in the same house for several generations because houses are very difficult to buy there. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/05/through-an-american-lens-western-europes-middle-classes-appear-smaller/ As far as the daycare and other such policies go. Do you really want a society where the government is in charge of raising your kids instead of you? They could brainwash your kid into thinking whatever they want. You wouldn't have any ability to choose how your kid is raised anymore. |
Ryuk9428Jun 20, 2019 12:41 PM
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Thanakos said: You don't know that. Neither do I. If the rationale for getting help gets through to OP, then voila! If not, no amount of repetition is going to help. HungryForQuality said: I just wish the oppressed would be more honest with themselves. Like the guy who has a meltdown over women not getting with him despite claiming to be sexually and I'd guess socially satisfied by hookers and strippers. If that's true, who fucking gives a shit? And then he apologizes cuz he ain't such a bad guy. He's not fucking like that! 😢. Trying to salvage his oh so precious MAL reputation. Fucking has me in stitches chief. I fucking hate backtracking and why the fuck was that post so formal? :D It's pretty simple, don't you think? The very fact that he's complaining here is the biggest refutation of his idea that you can be satisfied with just strippers. Or perhaps, he's trying to convey that sexual satisfaction =/= emotional satisfaction, in which case the former would mean jackshit and only harms his argument again. HungryForQuality said: And then there are the girls who put on this big fucking list of standards, trying to command a no-nonsense presence over the MAL thread fucking sprawling with desperate dudes who are totally not desperate. They give zero fucks, that's why they think and talk about it constantly. Trying to be fucking authoritative over desperate people on MAL fucking forums to feel good about yourself. Hijacking this plea of a thread much like the desperate dudes yet so convinced that y'all are complete opposites. Is this what we've come to as a community? :D She's 18. How many dates do you think she's had? Ok, maybe more than me but try googling some points in her list. She didn't even write that list herself lmao. It's a copypasta from tumblr-tier sites written by oh-so-wise gossip ladies. And you should've guessed the extent of her intellect from her extremely original response 'Who hurt you?'. Here, I've got some memes of my own about the meme that she is: She's a total fucking caricature lmao. This is 110% entertainment. HungryForQuality said: Though the flip side can be just as bad. Getting served new flavors of shit. Different flavors of assholes and despair and surprisingly monotony. Ah it can feel so depressing but hell it also keeps you on your toes kinda in an ironic way. And that's something ain't it? We live, we learn, and we (hopefully) change :D Fuck I'm rambling ain't I? Just couldn't get these thoughts outta my head the more I read this fast growing thread. I'm sorry. That's easy. Just don't stay here for more than an hour a day. This thread is exactly what MAL needs. Stuff like this is what breeds drama and drama breathes life into forums. I was actually thinking of making a MGTOW-esque club here on MAL with you-know-who members and actively attack you-know-who caricatures hence forcing them to create a club of their own and unleash a shitstorm on CD but meh, I'm too old for that shit now. Anyways, there's absolutely nothing to complain about this thread. This shit was solid entertainment. 10/10 Well you need to read the whole thing. I was complaining because I hadn't gone in 6 months. So I was irrationally frustrated and easy to make angry. I can say that strippers satisfy the physical need. For some reason a lot of people don't want to say that sexual intimacy is actually a physical need but as long as you don't satisfy that physical need, your mind is not going to be right. Its like expecting a starving animal to behave normally. Its not gonna happen. I wouldn't be satisfied if I was 35 years old and had no wife and was still relying on strippers. But as a 21 year old guy, its fine for now. |
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| @EvilUnicorn Why have you done this much investigating into the incel phenomenon? You have a really large list of videos and images that you've got in your back pocket here. Quite honestly, anyone who tattoos "male tears" onto their arm or leg is probably just as angry and hopeless as incels are. You might be able to find men who meet your standards because society has generally said that men should meet women's standards but there's no message or talk really about women needing to meet men's standards. I will say though, that it doesn't seem like they are meeting your standards given that you yourself seem very frustrated by men's behavior. That was apparent from your first post, not the one most recent. As you would probably agree with, a guy who is very angry at women and ranting about them is probably not very satisfied with his life or what's going on. The same applies to women though. A woman spending a lot of time reading into the incel phenomenon and ranting about men's behavior, I'm inclined to believe is not really that satisfied with her dating life. The problem is that most men now can't really "compete." A lot of men are just dropping out of the game altogether because they realize it can't make them happy. Most men really don't have good social skills, countless sitcoms like to make jokes about how a lot of men really don't understand women's body language and emotions. This is especially true when you take into account how many men are on the autism-aspergers spectrum. Approximately 5% of young men are diagnosed with it and a lot of men who are very mildly on the spectrum remain undiagnosed. Expecting every man to understand this stuff perfectly is like expecting somebody in a wheelchair to win a race. I just don't bother competing in that game because I know I can't. |
Ryuk9428Jun 20, 2019 1:49 PM
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Peaceful_Critic said: @Ryuk9428 "For some reason a lot of people don't want to say that sexual intimacy is actually a physical need but as long as you don't satisfy that physical need, your mind is not going to be right. " They are people who live fine and don't change behavior because of that lack of intimacy. Most people don't even get it in America until their late teens, so it isn't really a physical need. From my experience in high school, most people have sex for the first time somewhere between 15-17 years of age. At my school, I specifically remember a lot of people not wanting to still be a virgin by the time they turned 18. But that's kind of a good example because a lot of the people who aren't having any sex in high school act kind of crazy or depressed. Almost every school shooter in history has complained in their journals about being unable to have sex. Even the ones who didn't directly identify as incels, like the Columbine shooters, still made remarks in their journals like "if I could just get laid, the massacre wouldn't be necessary." Even the Catholic Church in Medieval Times, for all of their prudish tendencies, didn't outlaw prostitution and called it "a necessary evil" because they knew that if you made prostitution illegal and gave men absolutely no way to have sex, that a lot of them become mentally unstable and dangerous. Furthermore, there was the belief that any man who remained unmarried past the age of 25 was going to become a menace to society as a result of sexual frustration. I mean, the incel phenomenon exists for a reason. I think one of the biggest reasons why feminists hate them so much is because incels are living proof that men can't be utterly deprived of sex without there being serious consequences. Sexual frustration is a lot of what fuels Islamic terrorism in the Middle East. ISIS terrorists share a surprising amount in common with incels. This isn't to say every incelled guy is going to go on a rampage. But I guarantee you that sexual frustration is a huge risk factor that correlates with mental illness, suicide and a whole host of other such things. People who aren't aware of how sexual frustration is changing their behavior might just be so used to it that they don't notice how its changing their behavior. If they suddenly had access to sex though I think a lot of people would change. |
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HungryForQuality said: Peaceful_Critic said: @KindUnicorn "And then there are the girls who put on this big fucking list of standards, trying to command a no-nonsense presence over the MAL thread fucking sprawling with desperate dudes who are totally not desperate. They give zero fucks, that's why they think and talk about it constantly. Trying to be fucking authoritative over desperate people on MAL fucking forums to feel good about yourself. Hijacking this plea of a thread much like the desperate dudes yet so convinced that y'all are complete opposites. Is this what we've come to as a community? :D " You surprisingly didn't address this, but I have a feeling it was mostly aimed at you. Also, going to note here, I don't really agree with what you said about Ryuk. It's aimed at both of those jackasses. They'll never learn. They'll never look inward. It's all about one upping the other person and framing themselves as the one who gets it all. Always. And it's spilling all over where it shouldn't. Both of you are fucking right and both of you are wrong also. Damn you people live in such bubbles. Also Ryuk, you're constantly fucking advertising about all the hookers and strippers you've gotten with, how they let you touch them, in past threads and now you're backtracking with some whack ass formal apology because a girl apparently hasn't touched you in 6 months. You think people are fucking stupid? Such an obvious lie! And why are you complaining if this is going so well for you huh? Everyone knows it's not going so well for you and you're fucking lying to yourself. Life is unfair ok. You are not the only fucking person who knows that, who feels that, I fucking promise. If that's now who you are in that amazingly worded apology, then who the fuck are you ? You some blob that attacks and retreats? Stand by your convictions or don't complain about problems that you yourself apparently don't face. At least understand what's going on. Damn. And Unicorn. What the hell do you think those list of standards will do? You think every guy has to be so fucking perfect and you have to shove that bullshit condescending perfectionist attitude to show how high class you fucking are in a thread where someone is fucking suicidal over what's going on. Why are you so fucking narcissistic and high maintenance? Can't you ever for once come down to fucking Earth and understand what's being asked? But no everything has to be some narrative for you to push, you fucking narcissistic brat. Fear mongering, never fucking listening, and twisting any topic to fit your narrative, and not thinking inward for a fucking second. Should be put on all your fucking gravestones, you annoying ignorant dumbasses. I'm done here. Y'all can smugly deny it but it's true and considering how you assholes are, it always will be. If you're trying to get my attention you should mention or quote me, I didn't even see this post. That's because I incurred a major debt which I felt was my responsibility to pay off before I went back to them. But it was a big enough debt that I couldn't pay it all off even after six months. There are times when I have gone to them frequently and regularly. That's where all the stories come from. Its usually occurred in a three-four month span, and then there's major gaps where nothing happened. In those gaps where I don't have a job I have found myself unable to pay for it. The past six months was probably the longest dry spell I've had in years. That's why it got so bad. I advertise it a lot because so many guys are sexually frustrated and I'm trying to show them that there's a way to relieve that sexual frustration without having to go through a really long process of self-improvement, which may be impossible if you are that sexually frustrated anyway. I've tried numerous other things during these gaps of time where I couldn't see strippers or prostitutes to restore my mental health and I couldn't do it. It was all like a temporary band-aid that I had put on it, it somewhat relieved things but the depression was not actually gone. It was more like, distracted. But one summer, I went to strip clubs twice a week, and it was the best I had ever felt in my entire life. Even though I blew through several thousand dollars that summer, I don't regret any of it, because before that, I was severely depressed and on the brink of suicide and suddenly, I felt happier than I had ever been in my life. I couldn't believe the contrast. It was amazing, like magic I might even say. I advertise it a lot because I know what sexual frustration can do to somebody and their mental health and I found the way out. I don't like seeing people go through what I did and I'm trying to show them that there is a solution to this and it is, in-fact, obtainable. I don't really know who I am, does anybody really? I do know, though, that if I don't get this vitamin that I become an entirely different person. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Ryuk9428 said: 17 was found as the average, so really it's the late teens(Proof). Do you think I'm depressed or crazy?From my experience in high school, most people have sex for the first time somewhere between 15-17 years of age. But that's kind of a good example because a lot of the people who aren't having any sex in high school act kind of crazy or depressed. Almost every school shooter in history has complained in their journals about being unable to have sex. Even the ones who didn't directly identify as incels, like the Columbine shooters, still made remarks in their journals like "if I could just get laid, the massacre wouldn't be necessary." Even the Catholic Church in Medieval Times, for all of their prudish tendencies, didn't outlaw prostitution and called it "a necessary evil" because they knew that if you made prostitution illegal and gave men absolutely no way to have sex, that a lot of them become mentally unstable and dangerous. Furthermore, there was the belief that any man who remained unmarried past the age of 25 was going to become a menace to society as a result of sexual frustration. I mean, the incel phenomenon exists for a reason. I think one of the biggest reasons why feminists hate them so much is because incels are living proof that men can't be utterly deprived of sex without there being serious consequences. Sexual frustration is a lot of what fuels Islamic terrorism in the Middle East. ISIS terrorists share a surprising amount in common with incels. This isn't to say every incelled guy is going to go on a rampage. But I guarantee you that sexual frustration is a huge risk factor that correlates with mental illness, suicide and a whole host of other such things. People who aren't aware of how sexual frustration is changing their behavior might just be so used to it that they don't notice how its changing their behavior. If they suddenly had access to sex though I think a lot of people would change. "Almost every school shooter in history has complained in their journals about being unable to have sex." I'll need statistics on that, but I doubt that'll be the main reason, they probably had several more severe social issues. Not finding love is a common normal issue, and most don't shoot schools over it. The Medieval Times believed in a lot of stupid things, so you probably shouldn't take that root. As I said before that might be one of their problems, but that issue is common and doesn't explain such extreme behaviors. What proof do you have to support the claims(the Islamic Terrorism and sexual frustration is a risk factor for more serious issues)? Well it doesn't affect everybody, but its more on the "risk factor" part. Its kind of like the link between criminality and abusive families. Not everyone who gets abused is going to have trouble later in life because of it. Some people I know who grew up in abusive households are completely fine now. But its well known that people who grow up in abusive households are much more likely to be mentally unstable and even become criminals. This article explains a lot of what I've mentioned... https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sex-dawn/200908/sex-and-violence There's also this video by Bill Maher, and I actually find Bill Maher's attitude to be very annoying a lot of the time but in this case, he does have a point if you can wade through all the annoying condescension. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lad26hfccS4&feature=youtu.be As far as Islamic terrorists go, you have this. Its been noticed as enough of a phenomenon that academic scholars have written journals about it... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10304312.2013.737193?journalCode=ccon20 https://medium.com/homeland-security/the-sexual-origins-of-terrorism-ab29878db9a5 People in Medieval Times did think a lot of crazy and weird things. But I can see why they might have understood this phenomenon better than modern people would. They were likely more knowledgeable about its effects given that many armies not too long before their time used sexual frustration directly as a tool to make the soldiers more aggressive. Anybody who read military strategy back then would've looked for any way they could get an edge over their enemy and often times, sexual abstinence was seen as making a warrior more effective in battle. |
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Ezekiel said: Every group has toxic people. Why did she make a video about them? You don't see me making a video about My Little Pony sex fiends. I know most fans just like the show. Proportionally, very few celibate men are like this. All she did is give normal celibates who are just hurting and already shunned another bad rep. Fuck her. And of course this video is made by someone who is very beautiful (ignoring the extremely unattractive ear gauges and nose/cow ring. Just like "How tall are you" threads are always made by tall people. Incels are hated for a reason |
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| Okay, I don't even know what the fuck you people turned this thread into. Went from lovesick/mental Tinder-related advice to a full-on argument about incels. Which btw, the person who's looking for help on this isn't one. I appreciate everyone who's posted generous and real advice regarding this subject, but there's no need to fight or call out anyone over anything in here, especially if it's not gonna help anyone. Get all along and thanks. |
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| @EvilUnicorn I already am seeing a therapist. I've mentioned this stuff and said how sex seems to be the only thing that can make me sane again. She agrees me with and has advised me to seek out a way that I can be reliably employed. School tends to really fuck with my ability to have a job because my school is so far from my hometown. So when I go back to school I have to find another job but my school is out in the middle of nowhere so its a lot harder to find one than it is here. I just need to have enough money to regularly go to strip clubs. That's really all I need. I know 100% that strip clubs keep me sane. I'm not trying to say my earlier meltdown was okay, but its really hard to reason with yourself when your mind is completely deprived. I shouldn't have let myself go as long as I did, especially knowing that I was not mentally sound, but I also really need to get this debt paid off. I would really caution against all the radical, anti-male feminism stuff. It can be just as bad for your long term happiness and love life as ideological inceldom is for males. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Ryuk9428 said: Ah, I see what you are saying, okay, thanks for the clarification. Well it doesn't affect everybody, but its more on the "risk factor" part. Its kind of like the link between criminality and abusive families. Not everyone who gets abused is going to have trouble later in life because of it. Some people I know who grew up in abusive households are completely fine now. But its well known that people who grow up in abusive households are much more likely to be mentally unstable and even become criminals. This article explains a lot of what I've mentioned... https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sex-dawn/200908/sex-and-violence There's also this video by Bill Maher, and I actually find Bill Maher's attitude to be very annoying a lot of the time but in this case, he does have a point if you can wade through all the annoying condescension. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lad26hfccS4&feature=youtu.be As far as Islamic terrorists go, you have this. Its been noticed as enough of a phenomenon that academic scholars have written journals about it... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10304312.2013.737193?journalCode=ccon20 https://medium.com/homeland-security/the-sexual-origins-of-terrorism-ab29878db9a5 People in Medieval Times did think a lot of crazy and weird things. But I can see why they might have understood this phenomenon better than modern people would. They were likely more knowledgeable about its effects given that many armies not too long before their time used sexual frustration directly as a tool to make the soldiers more aggressive. Anybody who read military strategy back then would've looked for any way they could get an edge over their enemy and often times, sexual abstinence was seen as making a warrior more effective in battle. The 1st source talked more about rejection("...yet 30 million women rejected me – over an 18 or 25-year period...A man needs a woman for confidence"). The author may have incorrectly concluded it was sexual frustration, but the actual quote had more to do with being unable to find a date to give Sodini a boost of confidence. The killer didn't state it was because of the lack of sex at all(I'm sure strip clubs and other things were available to him). I can't really take condescension well at all, so I'm skipping the video. " Indeed, a meta-analysis produced in 2001 by combining data across several studies showed only a very weak positive correlation (r = 0.14) between testosterone and aggression (Book, Starzyk, and Quinsey 2001 Book, A.S., Starzyk, K.B. and Quinsey, V.L. 2001. The Relationship Between Testosterone and Aggression: A Meta-analysis. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 6: 579–599. [Crossref], [Web of Science ®], , [Google Scholar])." So there is a correlation just a very weak one, but as the old saying goes correlation doesn't equal causation. The 72 virgin thing is religious as it is sexual. You could say one of the reasons was due to sexual frustration, but the main, fundamental reason why you would do the act is if you had the religious belief that your religion would reward you by relieving that sexual frustration in the 1st place. They probably used other methods on making the soldiers more aggressive as well. A lot of the frustration over rejection is linked to sexual frustration though. Anybody would be upset over rejection, but when that is fueled by sexual frustration is really when it takes an extreme form. Since you decided to skip out on the video I will just say that Bill Maher pointed to numerous different school shooters and pulled out quotes by them talking about their lack of success with girls and he mentions how virtually every school shooter that we know of, the Virginia Tech shooter, the Newtown shooter, the Oregon community college shooter, and numerous others have all complained in their journals over having absolutely no success with girls. I think a lot of guys don't even try strip clubs because they think it won't work. A lot of guys have been socialized to believe that it "doesn't really count" if you have to pay for it and their ego prevents them from doing that. Depression is also, by its nature, a self-defeating affliction which makes you believe there's no hope for any solution and that there's no way you can ever become happy. So to a certain extent, their behavior is also irrational. This is one of the biggest reasons actually why I've become very critical of hookup culture in the past year or so though is because it makes men look at seducing women as a game and I think it has placed too much social value on men's ability to seduce women. To many men, its related to the general game of life and too many men's sense of self worth is so tied up in their ability to seduce women that feeling like they can't do that makes them think of themselves as a complete failure. The hookup culture actually makes lots of guys care so much about their ability to seduce girls that they think any sex which does not involve seducing a girl (such as paying a hooker) "doesn't count," or that paying one is admitting to having lost the game, and they've forgotten that sex is actually a physical need and not a game to be won. This also leads some guys to thinking that choosing monogamy over this is the equivalent of "losing the game" because you're choosing to stay with one woman instead of supposedly "enjoying a buffet of women" and "monogamy isn't cool," essentially, according to quite a few guys. Religion provides an escape but isn't what actually fuels Islamic terrorism. If this was the case you'd have a lot more married, employed men who go off to be Islamic terrorists but they are overwhelmingly single, young men, and unemployed. I don't know about testosterone but I'd say there's a very strong link between sexual frustration and various unstable, anti-social behaviors. |
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EvilUnicorn said: Not watching those. Say it yourself or shove it. Ezekiel said: Every group has toxic people. Why did she make a video about them? You don't see me making a video about My Little Pony sex fiends. I know most fans just like the show. Proportionally, very few celibate men are like this. All she did is give normal celibates who are just hurting and already shunned another bad rep. Fuck her. And of course this video is made by someone who is very beautiful (ignoring the extremely unattractive ear gauges and nose/cow ring. Just like "How tall are you" threads are always made by tall people. Incels are hated for a reason |
Maneki-Mew said: Is your reply to me? or someone else?Yuri-Crusader said: What do a boy like you know about dating? Have you ever even been loved?,,,,,She is right and he should take does advice ,,,,,,To treat people with respect is not being a beta its being a human,,,Its sad that you dont understand that,,,, and im NOT your friend I read through the thread, but I seriously don't understand the outrage there. @Cneq wrote in the post before yours: Cneq said: About which part? The "No woman deserves respect just for owning a vagina," is common sense and no human being should be treated differently due to something they are born with/as. The last bit of that comment I don't fully agree with. "If you don't make an effort why should a woman do? Why should he lower her standards for you? Out of pity? I doubt any of you would want that." This goes both ways and being female doesn't give you a excuse not to be a good human being. This entire debate could easily be summed up as "Be a good f*cking person and other people will treat you the same lol" There shouldn't be any separate standards for males or females. And for context the way I define someone being a "good" human being is holding down a job or studying/pursuing a career, not living a harmful life style [current drug use/gambling addiction/crime etc *stuff in the past may be overlooked depending on the person], attempting to maintain health/fitness, if they have personality flaws they acknowledge them and try to improve. We are all human and everyone should follow these principles. Being born a different gender gives you no right to not practice what you preach What is wrong with that? This is the most healthy thing I have read in the last days lol and should be normal common sense. I mean, I spoke to you @Yuri-Crusader and I really don't mean it as an attack, but attacking a guy for not putting women on pedastals is strong sexism there too. "We" are of course not better than men, although you seem to see some sort of a flawless goddess in many women, which nobody is. Sexism swings both ways, you know. First, it is against men and you actually shouldn't tell boys and men that their wishes and well-being is less worth than a woman's. It's harming, if parts of the society are doing that and that happens quite often in different ways. Then, some abusive girlfriends take advantage of them with "oh, I am a woman, you HAVE to make me happy and do this and that for me", even if they could do their shit on their own easily and are just bossy with their boyfriends. I saw this, even if this type of abusive women is now / became quite rare, from my experience, because many men think "Hey, why should I owe her something and take care of her financial stability and super extra wishes, if she is a total prick?" But yeah... feeling so entitled is quite rare nowadays, I think, and women who are doing this just have a bad character. Still, you shouldn't tell men that women are better than them and that they own them anything just for having a vagina. Second, being put on a pedestal is dehumanizing (in some way) for a woman too, because "positive stereotypes" also create a wrong and fictional picture of real people. It makes women look like we aren't absolutely ordinary humans with the same struggles and flaws, if people romantize us and create the visions THEY would like to see in women. It doesn't take women serious as an adult either and makes them look like a naive, innocent child. It's very harmful to view women as always soft, loving etc... mothers are even rarelier accused of being violent against their children, or it sometimes takes much longer, because of such old like dirt-beliefs. Although I wouldn't call people a "bad person" for not holding a career for example. If the working partner is okay with that and the other one loves to stay at home and being a parent at home etc. it's absolutely fine. It's just like that you have to put other effort than money for making a living together. Also, (some) crimes and gambling won't affect it, if I see someone as a "good" person. It's more about personality and some opinions etc... I might have been okay with a girlfriend with a criminal background, depending on WHAT she has done and why. Strongly depends on the situation and person, if it takes place in the present. |
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| @Peaceful_Critic People can get frustrated over rejection in any context. Like not having any friends for example. But "not having any friends" tends to go hand in hand with sexual frustration so its hard to really separate it out and study it. However, I have noticed that there are people who do have friends but still become mentally unstable as a result of sexual frustration. I think the reason for this is because not having any friends does suck, but its mostly a conscious experience whereas sexual frustration actually feels like you've been chemically poisoned. I've described it as feeling like you're carrying around this sense of dread all day and night. Like you have strong anxiety symptoms at all times. There's a weird painful kind of feeling on your skin as well. I don't really know how to describe it but its very unpleasant. I'd also say it kind of feels like there's a fire in your stomach. Not having any friends is unpleasant but sexual frustration feels like downright torture. I can't cite any psychological studies that back the idea that it is sexual frustration and not rejection, but my own personal experience tells me it absolutely is sexual frustration because I get those symptoms regardless of whether I have friends or not. Guys in that state can be lead towards any extreme ideology. It just so happens that Islam is the prevailing ideology in Middle Eastern countries so Islamic extremism is the most natural choice. But like I've mentioned, many armies and dictators have sought to channel this frustration and direct it at their enemies. So I don't think extreme Islam is the only ideology that is capable of doing this. |
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| @Ryuk9428 You describe things like an addict might withdrawl symptoms and all Though I guess it depends how frequent these feelings come up. If it's basically daily maybe you have a sexual addiction that developed from using it as a coping mechanism for general dissatisfaction and then became a dopamine addiction to endorphins. I knew a guy who had sex quite a bit though didn't have luck holding down a relationship for very long but he wasn't mentally well. He had planned to go into a shootout with the police for no reason other than suicide by cop. So it's safe to say it's more complicated than you make it out to be when it comes to sexual frustration. Crzy_Minus said: Okay, I don't even know what the fuck you people turned this thread into. Went from lovesick/mental Tinder-related advice to a full-on argument about incels. Which btw, the person who's looking for help on this isn't one. I appreciate everyone who's posted generous and real advice regarding this subject, but there's no need to fight or call out anyone over anything in here, especially if it's not gonna help anyone. Get all along and thanks. It's because some responces a few users gave and others commenting on them. I don't think you will get anything drastically different from what you have already been told so maybe reread some of them and take notes to see what advice is compatible with the situation and works well together rather than acts contradictory to other advise. |
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traed said: @Ryuk9428 You describe things like an addict might withdrawl symptoms and all Though I guess it depends how frequent these feelings come up. If it's basically daily maybe you have a sexual addiction that developed from using it as a coping mechanism for general dissatisfaction and then became a dopamine addiction to endorphins. I knew a guy who had sex quite a bit though didn't have luck holding down a relationship for very long but he wasn't mentally well. He had planned to go into a shootout with the police for no reason other than suicide by cop. So it's safe to say it's more complicated than you make it out to be when it comes to sexual frustration. Crzy_Minus said: Okay, I don't even know what the fuck you people turned this thread into. Went from lovesick/mental Tinder-related advice to a full-on argument about incels. Which btw, the person who's looking for help on this isn't one. I appreciate everyone who's posted generous and real advice regarding this subject, but there's no need to fight or call out anyone over anything in here, especially if it's not gonna help anyone. Get all along and thanks. It's because some responces a few users gave and others commenting on them. I don't think you will get anything drastically different from what you have already been told so maybe reread some of them and take notes to see what advice is compatible with the situation and works well together rather than acts contradictory to other advise. I've thought about that, but I think if it was a sex addiction then those symptoms would go away after a certain period of time. Heroin addicts if they stop using heroin for awhile eventually cease to get withdrawal symptoms whereas my symptoms just get worse and worse the longer I go without it. Also, I've told my therapist about the symptoms I get and I figure she would've told me if I had a sex addiction. I think I just have a very high libido. If you have a high sex drive, sex seems much more like a need whereas it seems like people who have medium to low sex drives just think of it as another form of entertainment and nothing else. |
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| @Ezekiel 'Incel' is a shortened form of the phrase 'involuntarily celibate'. They're people -- overwhelmingly guys -- who believe that for reasons beyond their control they're destined never to have sex no matter how much they might want it; they are involuntarily celibate, as opposed to people who choose that life. It's linked to feelings of self-loathing, low self-esteem, outward-facing rage and -- increasingly -- acts of horrific violence. The history of the 'incel' movement is kind of a weird one. The term itself was actually first coined by a woman, in 1993. Alana’s Involuntary Celibacy Project was a text-based website in the early days of the web that discussed the experience of basically not getting laid in college, for whatever reason: asexuality, mental health issues, physical appearance, whatever. Basically, it was a form of early-internet support group, where people who felt they couldn't discuss the issue with people they knew could talk about it with strangers who were going through the same thing. It had a small niche following, but when Alana herself (who in recent interviews has asked that her surname not be published) began to develop a more of a social life, came to terms with her bisexuality and handed the website over to someone else, it continued bubbling away without her. She would later regret her website becoming a nucleation site for the toxic ideas that are currently attached to the phrase 'involuntarily celibate', saying, 'Like a scientist who invented something that ended up being a weapon of war, I can't uninvent this word, nor restrict it to the nicer people who need it.' By all accounts she completely put the site behind her, forgetting about it until she read an article in a magazine about a spree-killing in Isla Vista, California. But we'll get to that. Fastforward twenty years to the formation of the /r/Incels subreddit. In this time, the idea of 'involuntarily celibacy' hadn't gone away; in fact, it resonated very strongly with a lot of people. Rather than becoming a support group for people who were sad about their lack of available intimacy, /r/Incels became a breeding ground of anger and resentment. After all, it wasn't fair that they weren't getting sex when everyone else seemed to. It wasn't their fault they were ugly, or socially awkward, or mentally ill, or just really, really liked cartoons. Why should they be suffering? Obviously, it was everyone else's fault: the more attractive men, for stealing the women away, and the women themselves, for all being -- somehow -- sluts who wouldn't give it up. It wasn't long before /r/Incels became a hotbed of misogyny, adapting so-called 'Red Pill' and 'Men Going Their Own Way' ideologies (and quite honestly not always adapting them that far) as part of their ethos -- an ethos that became known as taking the 'Black Pill'. It expanded outwards, like a hateful gas trying to fill all the space available to it. Calls for violence were widespread. This manifested in the idea of 'sex redistribution' -- that if women wouldn't give them the sex they 'deserved', they should just take it. Or, you know, rape. Rape is what they were advocating. This was abhorrent all by itself, but it really came to a head in 2014, when a shitheel named Elliot Rodger killed six people and injured 14 more in Isla Vista, California, before turning the gun on himself. His motives, laid out in a YouTube video and a long, rambling manifesto -- I read it shortly after the events; it's a screed if ever there was -- were clearly designed to punish women for what he felt were numerous rejections, and to punish men for effectively having what he didn't. Like I say. Shitheel. Less than a year later, another attacker at Umpqua Community College killed nine and injured eight before committing suicide, again linking his motivations to ideas espoused by the Incel movement. This brought a lot of heat down on the idea of Incels. Suddenly, they weren't just people bemoaning a lack of sex: instead, they were angry young white men who had access to guns, who had been politicised to commit horrific acts of violence. /r/Incels didn't help their case by openly applauding the actions of these aforementioned shitheels, and Reddit cracked down on them hard. They were banned in November of 2017, but by that time they had over 40,000 users. They were banned under Reddit's new anti-hate speech policy, unlike the last big group of bans that were brought in under an anti-harrassment policy (such as /r/FatPeopleHate). They were sort-of replaced by /r/Braincels, which is like Incels-lite; their material is still pretty misogynistic -- and depressing as all hell -- but they're nothing compared to the sheer bile that was /r/Incels. Which brings us to now. The reason they're in the news at the moment is because of the recent Toronto van attack, where a self-described Incel ran over and killed ten people, injuring 16 more. It's indicative of a worrying trend in young male violence, where internet groups have turned from being support networks -- as originally intended -- to being places where hatred and violence can be encouraged, with tragic consequences. One of the big things that has come out of this is that several writers are discussing the logistics of whether or not there is a 'right to sex', and whether or not people who aren't getting laid have a significant grievance. Take Libertarian economist and sort-of-intellectual-if-you-squint-a-bit Robin Hanson, who wrote: One might plausibly argue that those with much less access to sex suffer to a similar degree as those with low income, and might similarly hope to gain from organizing around this identity, to lobby for redistribution along this axis and to at least implicitly threaten violence if their demands are not met. As with income inequality, most folks concerned about sex inequality might explicitly reject violence as a method, at least for now, and yet still be encouraged privately when the possibility of violence helps move others to support their policies. (Sex could be directly redistributed, or cash might be redistributed in compensation.) (You may think this is my bias showing through, but Hanson has a habit of saying things like this. He's either a provocateur or a sociopath, taking the opportunity of ten people losing their lives to take cheap shots at people who call for 'wealth redistribution' the day after a terrorist attack.) This was also a jumping-off point for a column in the New York Times by conservative commentator Ross Douthat entitled The Redistribution of Sex, which... well, what it's arguing for isn't exactly clear. He sort of seems to be arguing that the only response to rampant sex-positivism or incels arguing that they have a right to sex is that there needs to be a turning-back to a new age of conservative puritanism and modesty: There is an alternative, conservative response, of course — namely, that our widespread isolation and unhappiness and sterility might be dealt with by reviving or adapting older ideas about the virtues of monogamy and chastity and permanence and the special respect owed to the celibate. The internet didn't love this, as you might expect, and Ross Douthat was accused of a) offering a platform to the ridiculous views of Robin Hanson and the Incel movement in general, b) blaming the victims, and c) completely disregarding the misgyny that underpins a lot of the incel movement. It got so bad that the Washington Post published a piece picking holes in his argument, and Douthat himself published a 13-tweet long re-framing of his article on Twitter that sort of explained what he really meant and that everyone was just misunderstanding him. Either way, people are talking about incels in the news, and that can be good or bad. Shining a light on the views and explaining why they're repugnant is a good thing -- sunlight is the best disinfectant, as they say -- but at the same time it can be seen as promoting the names and actions of people who did terrible things in the name of an increasingly-prominent and increasingly-ugly ideology. (In fairness, it's important to note that not everyone who identifies as an Incel is necessarily anti-feminist, or misogynist, or racist, or prone to violence. However, one look at any incel-identifying website will show that these are by no means minority views.) |
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EvilUnicorn said: Which is why these videos are fucking awful and shouldn't be shared. The great, vast majority of involuntarily celibate men are not violent or sexist. These YouTubers perpetuate alienation of all celibate men by making videos about a tiny, irrelevant minority. (In fairness, it's important to note that not everyone who identifies as an Incel is necessarily anti-feminist, or misogynist, or racist, or prone to violence. |
| @EvilUnicorn I actually agree with a lot of Ross Douthat's points. The sexual revolution has not resulted in greater access to sex or to people having more sex. The only thing it did was completely deregulate sex which has been a disaster. There's actually evidence to show that we're having less sex the bigger the hookup culture becomes. Women, for the most part, are not visually stimulated by men's bodies the way that men are by women's bodies. Women don't have the reaction men have when they see a girl until the guy is very attractive. Men who are asked to rate girls from 1-10 actually give an incredibly realistic curve with some at the bottom, most being about average, and a decent number at the top. When women are asked to rate how attractive men they, they rate the vast majority as being below average. This graph shows what I'm talking about... https://pics.me.me/how-men-rate-women-on-okcupid-com-20-19-18-16-35697906.png So while guys are rating 41% of girls as "above average." Girls are only rating 7% of guys as above average. If girls consider themselves to be attracted to "the average guy" it actually comes shockingly close to fulfilling the notion that most girls are only going for 20% of men because only 20% of men visually stimulate girls the way that most girls visually stimulate men. This strong visual element to men's sexuality means that men are generally more active in their sexuality. In the sense that men just look at a girl, think she's hot, and want to have sex. Girls' sexuality just doesn't tend to work that way. Its more reactive. Girls' sexuality is more based on how a guy makes them feel, whether its how he behaves or how he touches her, stuff like that. Its not really based on "guy is hot, I wanna bone him." This is why a hookup culture involving straight people just doesn't really work. The straight hookup scene is nothing compared to the way gay men hookup because that strong visual stimulation is inherently missing from female biology. What a lot of guys end up realizing is that female sexuality is mostly reactive, so they try to make that reactive side to come out. This is where our current sexual assault crisis is coming from. Because a lot of guys literally think they have no choice but to do things that blur the line between sexual assault and consensual behavior. It makes sense then, in this world where the line between sexual assault and consent is terrifyingly thin, that we're having a lot of sexual assaults occur. If the only thing that exists is hookup culture and there's no dating at all, which is what a lot of college campuses look like these days, then guys are placed in a scary situation where the only way they can get their needs fulfilled is by taking the risk that they will commit sexual assault. Now here's why relationships and dating will eliminate all those problems. The point of dating and relationships is that it isn't based on an instant, 3 second decision on whether or not you're going to fuck somebody. Hookup culture tries to make sex happen as fast as possible so looks are really the only basis you have to go on. Instead, dating is based around getting to know somebody and becoming comfortable with them before sex happens. You're not expected to have sex until that comfort is established. At this point, girls can try having sex with a guy in a situation where there's much less pressure, and the guy then tries to entice her to want to do it more by pleasing her in bed. This leaves room for men who are not physically attractive enough to automatically attract a girl by having a system where girls are encouraged to give a guy a chance even if he isn't super attractive. At this point, the guy can attract the girl by behaving romantically and being generous in bed rather than having to rely on his looks. From women's perspective, dating guys and getting to know them before sex is much much safer than going out to nightclubs and frat parties, getting drunk yourself, and then going home with another drunk guy who's name you don't even know. Lots of women get assaulted during stuff like this, and even at the parties themselves there are a lot of sexual assaults. Even if you do go home with a guy, lots of times it ends up being awkward, unsatisfying, and many women end up regretting most of the one night stands they have. The reason feminists are getting so upset is because they just don't want to admit that there are any biological differences between men and women. And they don't want to admit that the sexual revolution, mostly orchestrated by them, was a failure. Sex needs to be a highly regulated activity with specific rules and procedures to follow in order to happen. Everybody needs to follow those rules and procedures without any room for "skipping steps" or choosing something else. So essentially, go back to the "courting system." Those rules and regulations are how we keep sex safe for girls, so that men know what they're supposed to do and don't mess up, and how we make sure that it gets fairly distributed while still respecting the rights of everybody involved. Throwing all these rules and procedures out the window was a terrible decision. That's why I do support prostitution because, even though it is casual sex, it has strong rules and procedures to follow in order to keep everyone safe and so that both the guy and the girl get what they are looking for. You can't break those rules or procedures or the girl will refuse to meet with you or kick you out of the room. I don't really oppose casual sex, I oppose sex that happens without regulations and procedures. This is why I tell people that "conservatives are not prudes, they are realists." I'm not anti-sex, I'm not "a puritan," I actually want sex to happen more often. And the way to do that is by making it safe to do again, and the only way to do that is with rules and procedures. @Peaceful_Critic We can debate over various things but you yourself agree that the incel and MGTOW communities are full of anger. Many of the MGTOW guys especially do have friends, but they are still angry. And the major theme in common here is that these guys are sexually frustrated. I've told you that in my personal experience, sexual frustration absolutely can cause irrational anger. Many guys in these communities would probably tell you that sexual frustration is why they are angry. To me it looks like a simple cause and effect situation. |
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Ryuk9428 said: But that's not what the statistic says; it says nothing about who is rated "average"; it's just about giving a number to looks with no real further indication that a 5 should repræsent "average". This is the major problem with this general thing of giving a number to looks. Many of them might very well know that they would give the average male a 3 and that average isn't good enough.So while guys are rating 41% of girls as "above average." Girls are only rating 7% of guys as above average. If girls consider themselves to be attracted to "the average guy" it actually comes shockingly close to fulfilling the notion that most girls are only going for 20% of men because only 20% of men visually stimulate girls the way that most girls visually stimulate men. This is why a hookup culture involving straight people just doesn't really work. The straight hookup scene is nothing compared to the way gay men hookup because that strong visual stimulation is inherently missing from female biology. So stop letting society brainwash you in that you're "heterosexual"; sexual orientations don't exist and all human beings are by nature "bisexual"; it's been little more than a century that this new fad of "sexual orientations" popped up and people allowed themselves to be brainwashed into this crap. |
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Ryuk9428 said: Well you need to read the whole thing. I was complaining because I hadn't gone in 6 months. So I was irrationally frustrated and easy to make angry. I can say that strippers satisfy the physical need. For some reason a lot of people don't want to say that sexual intimacy is actually a physical need but as long as you don't satisfy that physical need, your mind is not going to be right. Its like expecting a starving animal to behave normally. Its not gonna happen. I wouldn't be satisfied if I was 35 years old and had no wife and was still relying on strippers. But as a 21 year old guy, its fine for now. I haven't had sex in 20 years. I fap 5-6 times on average daily. Highest I've ever fapped in a day is 18. During the finals last semester, I had 6 days off before the last exam and you know how many times I beat my meat in those 6 days? 80 times. In fact, right now before logging in I jerked off. The cum stains are still fresh on my shorts. DM me if you want proof. If you don't believe any of what I say, no problem; I'll give you my discord and I'll keep you updated on how many times I fap daily. And don't worry, I'm not a chronic masturbator or addicted to it. I can go without it for weeks when I'm busy with studies or life. When I'm not, well it's easy and cheap entertainment, why the fuck would I deny myself the pleasure? So, I guess that suffices to establish that I've got a pretty high libido. I don't know if yours is greater than mine and I highly doubt that lest we be treading in the world record territory. And the surprising thing that I wanted to tell you is that ... I haven't gone insane. I don' get angry when I'm sexually frustrated instead I only get horny; and you know what I do? I jerk off. I jerk off until I stop feeling horny or until I feel like this is enough time wasted for today. And I quietly go back to my studies or my training. Your problem is not sexual frustration. It's envy, jealousy, whatever. You're not satisfied with simply jerking off because you are angry that others have girlfriends and you've got only your hand. You deliberately immerse yourself in media which regurgitates your loneliness to your face every damn minute, and that exacerbates your discomfort. But that's partly not your fault. I live in a third world Muslim country and 20+ virgins here are the majority. Even though many people get into relationships before 20 here too, it's just not prevalent enough to be constantly on our minds. It's not a pressure I feel, even though in my inner circle we love to tease each other with these taunts. But I know people from US too who've learned how to focus on the right thing. If it troubles you so much, you can learn to focus on the right thing too. Here's a bro tip: focusing starts with reducing the bullshit noise around the thing you want to focus on. So, log out of MAL, reddit, 4chan, youtube, whatever, and get to the things that you won't be ashamed to remember in your 30s or 40s. Man up. |
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