| I'm not a casual anime watcher but I still don't like mecha anime much. I can't wait to see all the robot fuckers on this topic trying to defend their genre. |
| A group of people who have all seen the same three mecha shows talk about why they dislike mecha. This community gets better and better. |
| (Not a native english speaker here) Take in count that Mecha genre has a fuckload of shitty titles made by Toei and Sunrise that even look silly at first(you know it doesn't caught people attention if it's not EDGY now),also recent mecha anime are derivative shit with ecchi and harems(these elements are pretty popular these days though). So yeah,the genre has Gundam,Macross(these two scare people with all of it's titles),Eva,TTGL,Gunbuster and it's sequel,also classics like Dangaioh, but it's generally bad,the fact that lots of titles are made only to sell toys don't help either. |
CaptainKenshiroFeb 24, 2018 7:26 PM
Ckan said: corwin_r said: Mecha is more like an umbrella term than a "real" genre compared to say action or comedy. Having robots or other types of sophisticated manual/automated or sentient mechanization shouldn't imply anything about what the setting or it's execution will be like. The only "issue" is how tied the traditional execution is to some tropes, for example super robots usually being related to the monster of the week formula, or the association of real robots to a politicial war drama or space opera. So the predominant notion is how these tropes and the traditional execution make for key points of what constitutes the entire genre, which barely holds any water. If it were so, we wouldn't have "oddball" entries even within flagship franchises like Gundam (comparison of Gundam 79, G Gundam, SD Battle Warriors and Build Fighters for example) where robots are just devices that progress the story. I think we have to be careful not to sugarcoat things. Yes, there is a big variety in mecha, but that's because we're drawing on a grouping that has a significant breadth and quantity to draw on. Holding to the opposite view; the vast majority of mecha are bound to the traditional monster-of-the-week, Gundam war-drama, or Eva-hybrid. For the most part, there will be young protagonist pilots, cunning rivals, launch/transformation sequences, mid-series upgrades, weekly battles, climatic existence threatening finales, and so on. These may just be the tropes of mecha, but they are heavily drilled into the genre, and while the are only a part of the whole; they're a framework that permeates and often overwhelms mecha. Yes, thematically, stylistically, and content-wise there is a great variety and differing with mecha. Yes, the 'mecha' label is not a tell of certainty, but it in the larger part is, in the patterns, themes, and scope of these works. In the large part, there is a large congruity. On the whole, mecha are more similar than dissimilar. The mecha's tradition as a genre cannot be denied. I don't deny the significance of traditional mecha, but I rather see it as an evolving concept than strictly just a genre. What you say about there being more similarities than dissimilarities is true, but we saw that even during the golden age of mecha, when traditional mecha shows were at the height of their popularity, there were shows that introduced change to a formula that was by no mean stale at the time. Real robots introduced a change to the monster of the week template, and fertile ground for different settings that were not present previously in mecha shows. Before Mazinger codified what we know as traditional mecha in the 70s, shows like Astro Boy and Cyborg 009 had titular main characters be the robots instead of them piloting or in any way manipulating them. Tetsujin had remote controlled robots. The borders of the genre were never that clear-cut except for the fact that we could differentiate mecha from non-mecha shows with the presence and use of robots. I can understand that the cultural identity of mecha is usually likened to certain tropes, and parallels can be drawn, but funnily enough, new fans are often more drawn in by non-traditional shows like Code Geass before they decide to actively explore other reaches of the genre. |
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| In my experience, I thought of it as boring fights series that only focus on robots instead of characters. Then, I discovered Anno, and we all know how that song and dance goes. |
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| Personally, I've seen a lot of anime and probably one of the first anime/style mecha's I've seen was some of The Robotech episodes that aired in the states back in the early eighties on Saturday Mornings.The series to me was rather unoriginal considering all the mecha type cartoons we had coming out in that time in the US. Now, granted nearly everyone of those markets were from eastern countries. Transformers, Voltron(which merged to different animes together), Ultraman(more alien than mecha, but similar premise, Tekkaman Blade( a personal favorite at the time). Back then, mecha pretty much bombarded the market more so than now. I've watch a few from recent years, but I ,personally, have just grown tired of that genre and it takes a really interesting story/design element to pull me back into it. I've grown to prefer fantasy/ martial arts/ detective type anime now. I still watch some of the weird stuff from time to time too. |
DemonwyndFeb 22, 2017 9:31 PM
Marrone said: Using mechas for combat seems dumb to me. Never made sense logically. Also visually unappealing. I know there's more to mecha than just spamming laser beams but I can't be asked to sit through all the other stuff that comes along with it. Using mecha for combat in real life seems unpractical. Mecha most of the time looks like humanoid but in real life combat,the head serve no purpose other than just to make the mecha look cool/humanoid. Riding a huge mecha makes you an easy target. Anime defy all logic just to make mecha looks cool. |
ZapredonFeb 22, 2017 10:39 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Why to old fans hate moe so damn much? |
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| I Dont Dislike Mecha Anime In Particular,Its Just That They Dont Appeal To Me Much......... |
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| When I started anime I avoided mecha as well cause it didn't appeal to me (I preferred real people fighting over mecha/robots fighting) But then Ii did watch Code Geass and currently watching NGE and surpisingly I don't mind the mecha fighting at all. It can be exciting even. I don't know if I've watched any other mecha anime I can't recall atm but I'm definitely watching Gundam sometime in the future, would like to see what it is all about. I can see though why for others they might not be appealing, perhaps because they're more into other genres that revolve around romance, high school (lol so much anime taking place there) or historical. And they could be biased, perhaps they saw a mecha anime that sucked or they didn't like and decided that all mecha anime is bad. |
Bowie said: I'm not a casual anime watcher but I still don't like mecha anime much. I can't wait to see all the robot fuckers on this topic trying to defend their genre. There are no "robot fuckers" on MAL since there are no user born before 2000. |
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| Maybe because mecha generally doesn't have a fap worthy of waifu materials. I don't know about TTGL because I've yet watched it. But Code Geass and Evangelion are popular among non-mecha fans or people who avoid mecha thanks to their waifus. |
Kurniawan_KtrFeb 24, 2017 10:49 PM
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
| The thing about mecha anime is that they're either hit or miss. But there are at least three anime in this genere you should watch, Evangelion, Code Geass and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, if you've watched these three, you can move on with your life and never bother about the genre again, unless you really like it. |
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| oI have been watching anime for ten years now and honestly i don't like mechas anime. Maybe it's because they bore me to death or those fights seem quite immature. I prefer watching "man to man" fights haha Let's just say that they're my cup of tea. |
| " I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil was done Do evil in return " W. H. Auden |
| I've maybe seen eleven or twelve mecha out of all the anime I've seen. Is it because I don't like the genre? No. But the epicness of it needs to be savored. Jumping into the genre would just make me dislike it. Why? A lot of it is cookiecutter. You can tell by the lesser mecha series what's cookie cutter about it (like Line Barrels of Iron and Aquarion Evol, Eureka Seven AO). Of course that's not any different then school anime/shounen, SOL that it's got a cookie cutter feel. And maybe because of its stigma (the nerds that play with model air planes kind of thing, and the whole bullsht in the west with Transformers). I can tell that the mecha genre looks absolutely amazing and has some of the biggest freaking hits of all time in the anime genre of television, but it also has a lot of shtty stories revolving too much around the mecha and odd plot idiosyncrasies that the viewer just can't see working. All and all I FREAKING love the genre! Honestly though, there'd be a lot of effort involved watching all the classics like Gundam and Macross and I don't have a lot of time. |
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| Mostly because of mech designs, Japan can never get it right - the one exception was Comet Lucifer and that show was shit for other reasons. When I see mechs with their hands carrying guns, with their robotic fingers pulling actual triggers I just roll my eyes so fucking much. Or those thin, flared multi-coloured twatmobiles flying through the sky. Ugh. INTEGRATED OR UNDERSLUNG WEAPONS:  IT'S NOT HARD  |
Red_TuesdayFeb 23, 2017 10:00 PM
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| I've watched very little mech anime, not for any reason in particular, but it just seems that alot of of these mech series tend to be tied to big series/franchise like gundam, making it hard to get into it without investing some serious time. The extent of my venture into this genre ends with mainstream anime like Lagann, Geass, Evangelion and Eureka seven. |
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Kurniawan_Ktr said: Maybe because mecha generally doesn't have a fap worthy of waifu materials. I don't know about TTGL because I've yet watched it. But Code Geass and Evangelion are popular thanks to their waifus. TTGL has female characters in it (and Yoko is pretty popular), but they are not the focus or the reason for its popularity. Clebardman said: Bowie said: I'm not a casual anime watcher but I still don't like mecha anime much. I can't wait to see all the robot fuckers on this topic trying to defend their genre. There are no "robot fuckers" on MAL since there are no user born before 2000. Wait, what? Now, some MAL users are pretty young, but I'm under the impression that 20-30 years old users aren't all that rare. Zapredon said: Marrone said: Using mechas for combat seems dumb to me. Never made sense logically. Also visually unappealing. I know there's more to mecha than just spamming laser beams but I can't be asked to sit through all the other stuff that comes along with it. Using mecha for combat in real life seems unpractical. Mecha most of the time looks like humanoid but in real life combat,the head serve no purpose other than just to make the mecha look cool/humanoid. Riding a huge mecha makes you an easy target. Anime defy all logic just to make mecha looks cool. There can be a lot of reasons to use mecha, if one stops to think about it. But most mecha anime authors do not bother, or think up non-technical explanations. For example, in Macross, they wanted mecha to be able to board ships crewed by giant aliens. (which doesn't seem to be a reasonable design specification for a fighter plane) Or in Full Metal Panic, they wanted to make powerarmor, but failed, and started using mecha for no apparent reason. To the point that every terrorist group which buys a crate of AKs, gets a soviet-made mecha as a bonus. (imagine that advertisement!) Uchihaaa said: I Dont Dislike Mecha Anime In Particular,Its Just That They Dont Appeal To Me Much......... Is this the title of a light novel? lord23 said: Because mecha and politics are for the adult since they talk about adult problems, while slice of life shows and shows like One piece and DBZ is for little kids therefore the little kids ( casuals ) will enjoy them more. Why do people keep assuming slice-of-life shows are not for creepy older guys with no life of their own? Anyway, yes, mecha often talk about politics, and I don't like that. Red_Tuesday said: Mostly because of mech designs, Japan can never get it right - the one exception was Comet Lucifer and that show was shit for other reasons. When I see mechs with their hands carrying guns, with their robotic fingers pulling actual triggers I just roll my eyes so fucking much. Or those thin, flared multi-coloured twatmobiles flying through the sky. Ugh. INTEGRATED OR UNDERSLUNG WEAPONS: IT'S NOT HARD In my experience, super-robots often have built-in weapons such as eye beams. You might have seen it in Gargantia. But if you're going to make human-shaped war machine, ability to use hands to take the right tools for the job is always a good idea. Also that first picture is probably Tau powerarmor, not mecha. |
flannan said: Also that first picture is probably Tau powerarmor, not mecha. It's a battlesuit, there is no distinction for the Tau. But yeah, it's more like power armour in this case, but the design is what I'm talking about. Ghostkeel is the virtually the same but mech sized. |
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| Dunno why I'm posting. It's pretty much what everyone already said. It's not appealing to see giant robots shoot beams and rockets at each other. I like seeing a human shoot beams and rockets from their hands instead!! xD |
| @flannan I do agree that waifuism is not the focus of anime that featuring giant robots, but how do you know that its not the reason for it's popularity among non-mecha fans or people who normally avoid mecha? I bet, if there's a mecha anime with loli characters as main characters, many CGDCT fans will like it, even though they normally don't like mecha. |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: Maybe because mecha generally doesn't have a fap worthy of waifu materials. I don't know about TTGL because I've yet watched it. But Code Geass and Evangelion are popular thanks to their waifus. Lelouch>all other female characters in Code Geass https://myanimelist.net/character.php Your logic fail. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Zapredon said: Kurniawan_Ktr said: Maybe because mecha generally doesn't have a fap worthy of waifu materials. I don't know about TTGL because I've yet watched it. But Code Geass and Evangelion are popular thanks to their waifus. Lelouch>all other female characters in Code Geass https://myanimelist.net/character.php Your logic fail. You didn't proof anything here. You just showed husbando>waifus in CG. It does have anything to do with the female characters in it are fap worthy or not which was my point. Dunno whose logic was fail. |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: Zapredon said: Lelouch>all other female characters in Code Geass https://myanimelist.net/character.php Your logic fail. You didn't proof anything here. You just showed husbando>waifus in CG. It does have anything to do with the female characters in it are fap worthy or not which was my point. Dunno whose logic was fail. Oh please, you the one who didn't proof anything here. I show a stats as proof. LOL Nice trying to change argument. First you said fap worthy material(which is obviously referring to male) and now you said husbando. Such inconsistency.Where is your proof fap worthy material had anything to do with it.You got nothing to support your logic. |
ZapredonFeb 24, 2017 9:11 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| I'd assume the same reason I usually avoid sports anime , little to no interest in it. People will assume they wont like something if it has a certain element in it |
| @Zapredon 1) What did you trying to proof by bringing "lelouch> all other female character" anyway? What does it have anything to do with my opinion that "CG and Evangelion are popular thanks to their waifus"? 2) I said fap worthy of waifu materials on my original post. 3) Reason why I said "maybe" because I don't have a proof. It was just a hypothesis I made based on corelation between waifus and popularity of mecha show. I said CG and Evangelion are popular thanks to their waifus. Or if I symbolized it X1 => Y And you did counter my argument by bringing lelouch, you think my logic was fail because because there is X2 > X1 Bringing X2 (lelouch) doesn't have anything to do with my logic which is X1 => Y You just brought another variabel which can be influenced Y stronger than X1 in one case, but it didn't proved that X1 has no influence. Since there's another case which X1 > X2. If you want to prove that my logic is fail. You should prove that X1 has nothing to do with Y, instead of bringing another variabel which actually the same variabel but in different dimension (likeable character/ fap worthy material). |
Kurniawan_KtrFeb 24, 2017 9:14 PM
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: @Zapredon 1) What did you trying to proof by bringing "lelouch> all other female character" anyway? What's it has anything to do with my opinion that "CG and Evangelion are popular thanks to their waifus"? 2) I said fap worthy of waifu materials on my original post. 3) Reason why I said "maybe" because I don't have a proof. It was just a hypothesis I made based on corelation between waifus and popularity of mecha show. I said CG and Evangelion are popular thanks to their waifus. Or if I symbolized it X1 => Y And you did counter my argument by bringing lelouch, you think my logic was fail because because there is X2 > X1 Bringing X2 (lelouch) doesn't have anything to do with my logic which is X1 => Y You just brought another variabel which can be influenced Y stronger than X1 in one case, but it didn't proved that X1 has no influence. Since there's another case which X1 > X2. If you want to prove that my logic is fail. You should prove that X1 has no anything to do with Y, instead of bringing another variabel which actually the same variabel but in different dimension (likeable character/ fap worthy material). You didn't prove waifu has influence in the first place. Your logic fail right away at the beginning. In fact, if characters had anything to do with Code Geass popularity, it's the male character Lelouch that had to do with it,not the waifu which is why I brought up the favorite characters stats. |
ZapredonFeb 24, 2017 9:19 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| @Zapredon That's true, my opinion was just opinion that has no proof. It's just a hypothesis based on the correlation between the popularity of female characters and popularity of mecha show. But bringing "lelouch>all female character" doesn't make my opinion about a certain mecha are popular thanks to their waifu wrong (my logic failed). If we talk about CG, and not mecha as general, that's true. Lelouch's influence may be greater than female characters' influence. But, they both can have a significant influence, don't you think? Even though lelouch's influence still by far greater than female characters' influence. |
Kurniawan_KtrFeb 24, 2017 9:45 PM
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: @Zapredon That's true, my opinion was just opinion that has no proof. But bringing "lelouch>all female character" doesn't make my opinion about a certain mecha are popular thanks to their waifu wrong (my logic failed). If we talk about CG, and not mecha as general, that's true. Lelouch's influence may be greater than female characters' influence. But, they both can have a significant influence, don't you think? Even though lelouch's influence still by far greater than female characters' influence. Maybe yes,maybe no. However, you claim here, 'But Code Geass and Evangelion are popular thanks to their waifus.' You make it sound here as if Code Geass is popular mainly because of waifu. About Evangelion, it's wrong too. ThatAnimeSnob is a fan of Evangelion and he's certainly no fans of waifu. Attributing everything popular to waifus seems like a lame and cheap way to identify popularity of shows when story and other factors are far more important. |
ZapredonFeb 24, 2017 9:57 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| @Zapredon Yeah, it's a lame factor that I brought here. It's because I was not entirely serious replying this thread. Since, I like mecha anime in general. After reading some comments here, I think most of them are illogical. Mostly said because giant robot, yet they like CG, TTGL and Evangelion. Even though in CG, robot has a more significant role compare to other mecha I've seen (such as Blue Gender and Gasaraki). After I think about it, I though it may be have a thing to do with the likeable characters, especially female character. Since unpopular mecha show tend to have a low member that favoriting their female character. So, I was jokingly brought the "waifu" term. By the way, after I read it again, I think you were right that my original post will easily make people interpret it in different way than it intended. I think I should add "among non-mecha fans or people who avoid mecha". Even though it may be still doesn't change it meaning for some people. |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
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Kurniawan_Ktr said: @flannan I do agree that waifuism is not the focus of anime that featuring giant robots, but how do you know that its not the reason for it's popularity among non-mecha fans or people who normally avoid mecha? Because I have seen it? Don't believe me? Well, have some numbers! Yoko has only 4,582 favorites, and TTGL has 40,829 favorites. By the way, Asuka has 11,160 favorites, and Rei has 7,845 favorites, and the original Neon Genesis Evangelion has 32,652 favorites. Because Asuka and Rei are a lot more prominent in NGE. Kurniawan_Ktr said: I bet, if there's a mecha anime with loli characters as main characters, many CGDCT fans will like it, even though they normally don't like mecha. Sure. I'd gladly watch such an anime. Because it would get rid of the things that make mecha anime bad. Death, suffering and politics. But TTGL is not like that - it runs on manliness and rule of cool. |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: @Zapredon Yeah, it's a lame factor that I brought here. It's because I was not entirely serious replying this thread. Since, I like mecha anime in general. After reading some comments here, I think most of them are illogical. Mostly said because giant robot, yet they like CG, TTGL and Evangelion. Even though in CG, robot has a more significant role compare to other mecha I've seen (such as Blue Gender and Gasaraki). After I think about it, I though it may be have a thing to do with the likeable characters, especially female character. Since unpopular mecha show tend to have a low member that favoriting their female character. So, I was jokingly brought the "waifu" term. By the way, after I read it again, I think you were right that my original post will easily make people interpret it in different way than it intended. I think I should add "among non-mecha fans or people who avoid mecha". Even though it may be still doesn't change it meaning for some people. Gasaraki and Blue Gender are both old anime. That explain why very little people watch it. They both also have low ratings in MAL. In every anime for whatever genre, it's the execution that what really matters. Someone who don't like mecha would still like the anime as long as the execution is good. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| @flannan well, I am not trying to be a hardheaded here. It's not like I don't believe those numbers. But, it's a general opinion, it's not representating only non-mecha anime fans or people who generally avoid mecha. Also, when making a comparison in statistics, the sample should be comes from a homogen population or at leas the same amount of sample from each "class" or "category" in the population for meaningful interpretations. From the amount of people who watch TTGL or Eva. How many do you think that can be categorized as mecha fan, non mecha fan, and people who generally avoid mecha? And how many of each category watching TTGL? Well, since TTGL has more members than Eva, yet Eva's female character has more members that favoriting them, means we can just ignored the amount of total members differentiation. But, proportion of mecha fan, non mecha, and people who generally avoid mecha should be the same or approximately the same. If you are at least 95% confident that the proportion of those category of members for both show are aproximately the same or not much difference, then I agree with you ("My claim was wrong. Therefore, their popularity among non-mecha or people who generally avoid mecha fans has nothing to do with the waifus in it", at least based on these two shows) |
Kurniawan_KtrFeb 24, 2017 11:55 PM
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: @flannan well, I am not trying to be a hardheaded here. It's not like I don't believe those numbers. But, it's a general opinion, it's not representating only non-mecha anime fans or people who generally avoid mecha. Also, when making a comparison in statistics, the sample should be comes from a homogen population or at leas the same amount of sample from each "class" or "category" in the population for meaningful interpretations. From the amount of people who watch TTGL or Eva. How many do you think that can be categorized as mecha fan, non mecha fan, and people who generally avoid mecha? And how many of each category watching TTGL? Well, since TTGL has more members than Eva, yet Eva's female character has more members that favoriting them, means we can just ignored the amount of total members differentiation. But, proportion of mecha fan, non mecha, and people who generally avoid mecha should be the same or approximately the same. If you are at least 95% confident that the proportion of those category of members for both show are aproximately the same or not much difference, then I agree with you ("My claim was wrong. Therefore, their popularity among non-mecha or people who generally avoid mecha fans has nothing to do with the waifus in it", at least based on these two shows) Both shows are very famous and likely to be watched by people who aren't interested in mecha genre. Eva is older, so there might be people who consider it too old to watch now, but when I was beginning to watch anime it was all the rage. MAL says NGE is on 485,831 people's lists (#39), TTGL is on 593,567 people's lists, (#21), so it's safe to assume many beginners watch both these shows. In fact, it's pretty safe to assume everybody has watched these shows. (that's an exaggeration - top popular shows have about a million users) As such, I think we can consider the user selection for these two shows to be pretty representative of anime fandom as a whole for most purposes. AnimuPatrol said: I'm a casual anime watcher and enjoy mecha (if you cound TTGL, Code Geass, and FMP! as mecha). flannan said: Sure. I'd gladly watch such an anime. Because it would get rid of the things that make mecha anime bad. lmao, how the hell does that get rid of everything that makes mecha bad? Kind of like Girls und Panzer did it. |
AnimuPatrol said: that show looks worse than most mecha anime... so that really gives no explanation. I did explain in this topic what I consider to be what makes mecha bad. Most "real robot" mecha are about war, death, politics, lies, propaganda and people fighting and getting killed for the sake of dumb and greedy people back home. And even the famous "super-robot" anime like Evangelion and TTGL cannot avoid this fate. (at least TTGL had guts to punch the government in the face, something most mecha distinctly lack) Girls und Panzer doesn't have that. It's a cute show about cute girls participating in a sports event based on tank battles. |
| @flannan If you are that confident then I have nothing to say. But again, that conclusion based only on these two shows. |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: But again, that conclusion based only on these two shows. I'm using only shows I've seen personally, and I'm not a fan of mecha. (MALGraph says I watched 84 mecha shows, which is more than I think I've watched, probably because mecha tag is put on things like Hundred, which are not mecha no matter how I look at it) Consider Rinne no Lagrange: https://myanimelist.net/anime/11227/Rinne_no_Lagrange This anime's main cast is all girls, and it is likely to appeal to CGDCT fans. 42,659 members, 90 favorites (71/58/10 favorites for the main heroines) - this show is far from famous. If your theory was true, it should have been more famous, right? |
| @flannan There's a reason why I categorized mecha watcher into 3 category, which are 1) mecha fan, 2) non-mecha fan, 3) people who generally avoid mecha My hypothesis was "non-mecha fan" or "people who generally avoid mecha" watching mecha anime because of waifu. That's why Eva and CG are popular, even among non-mecha fan or people who generally avoid mecha. Surely, there's maybe a mecha fan who watch mecha because of waifu, but there must be another reason why they like mecha in general. Since generally, mecha doesn't have a really likeable female characters (waifus). Waifu is a factor that influencing the popularity of mecha among non mecha fans and people who avoid mecha (it was my hypothesis) so: 1) Mecha fan watch mecha for another reason 2) Non-mecha fan and 3) People who avoid mecha watch mecha for waifus It doesn't necessarily mean that mecha anime with waifu will be more popular than mecha without waifu. Since there surely are factors that influencing popularity other than waifu, especially among mecha fan. For the comparison of female characters' favorite between TTGL and Eva, the hypothesis of correlation between popularity of show among non mecha fans or people who generally avoid mecha and popularity of waifus was rejected. Because you said you are confident that the proportion of those 3 category of mecha watcher in TTGL and Eva are the same or approximately the same. You even belive that TTGL watcher also watch Eva (?). But it only works for those two. So, does that hypothesis-rejection also work for another show? The answer is "No". As I pointed out above, those three category of mecha watcher (which unknownable) watch mecha for another reason. So, what's appealing to the 1st category of mecha watcher doesn't necessarily appealing to the 2nd and 3rd category of mecha watcher and vice versa. What's appealing toward the 2nd and 3rd category of mecha watcher (which is waifu), doesn't necessarily appealing toward the the 1st category of mecha watcher. Or in short Waifu = popularity among the 2nd and 3rd Waifu =/= popularity among the 1st Another reason =/= popularity among the 2nd and 3rd Another reason = popularity among the 1st waifu + another reason = popular among the 1st, 2nd and 3rd. So, it's popular among anime watcher as general. Explaining why CG and Eva are so popular. Now, about Rinne no Lagrange - mecha show that seems appeal to CGDCT fans. Regarding your question, my answer is Appeal to CGDCT fans doesn't necessarily mean appeal to mecha fan. If my hypothesis was true, Yes, it will be popular among non mecha fans or people who avoid mecha if they have a likeable waifu. But it doesn't necessarily mean it will popular among anime fans as general. Now, I will bring a niche mecha that appeal to mecha fans which is Blue Gender It has 42,023 members and 288 favorites (82 favorites for main heroin, 2 for one side female character). Compare to the show you brought, which is appeal to CGDCT fans, has 42,659, 90 favorites (71/58/10 favorites for the main cast). We can assume that the watcher for both show come from a different category of watcher but homogen for their own, mecha fan for Blue Gender and CGDCT for RnL. Since they don't have the same amount of member, it will create bias in comparing. But well, how should we explain the 288 favorites for Blue Gender and 82 for it's waifus, with 90 favorites toward Rinne no Lagrange and 139 for it's waifus? One should be noted that, This question is the different from the TTGL and Eva case you brought. In, TTGL and Eva case, we assume the sample for both show are homogen/ proportion for each category of watcher are the same. So, it can be use to answer "is there a correlation between popularity of show among non mecha fans with their popularity of waifu?". This new case can't be use to answer "is there a correlation between popularity of show among non mecha fans with their popularity of waifu?". Because I believe that the subject who watch Blue Gender and Rinne no Langrange come from a different population. This newer question I make here is "Do non mecha fans watch mecha for waifu?". If you asked me, my answer is Yes, based on those two shows. But again, whatever the answer, the answer only works for this case. It can't be generalized. But it can be a reason to make a hypothesis, right? |
Kurniawan_KtrFeb 25, 2017 4:50 PM
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: @flannan There's a reason why I categorized mecha watcher into 3 category, which are 1) mecha fan, 2) non-mecha fan, 3) people who generally avoid mecha My hypothesis was "non-mecha fan" or "people who generally avoid mecha" watching mecha anime because of waifu. That's why Eva and CG are popular, even among non-mecha fan or people who generally avoid mecha. Surely, there's maybe a mecha fan who watch mecha because of waifu, but there must be another reason why they like mecha in general. Since generally, mecha doesn't have a really likeable female characters (waifus). The reason why non mecha fans started watching mecha like Code Geass is because of ratings in MAL and other sites. Ratings is a form of recommendations. The higher the rating of an anime is, the higher chances of it getting high views. Notice that Blue Gender and Rinne no Lagrange not only have similar ratings but also about the same amount of members. Rating influences viewership. |
ZapredonFeb 25, 2017 10:15 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
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