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Sep 10, 2014 7:55 AM
#151
DerpHole said: jreginald said: DerpHole said: jreginald said: Kuralchemist99 said: TripleSRank said: Yeah. Isn't it a little strange that back in the Chimera Ant arc Killua didn't just go back home and ask Something to kill Meruem? Or all of the royal guards? The only thing preventing him from seeing/remembering Alluka was Illumi's needile right? He should have remembered as soon as he pulled it out. Not really a plot hole, but still rather strange. As far as we know Alluka is even more powerful than the Dragon Balls.insan3soldiern said: DerpHole said: Well now they can basically solve any problem by using their little pocket sized miracle maker. She's too OP she needs to die or have serious limitations imposed before the story starts getting negatively impacted by her presence. Oh well only 2 more eps left anyway. It's pretty obvious they are setting up a power struggle over Alluka in the Zoldyck family. So, basically, her overpowered abilities have opened up another can of worms. Even at that, I tend to agree with him. As it is, she's overpowered. It doesn't matter who controls her or who she wants to help. I'm not saying that overpowered is inherently bad, but I hazard to say that I'm concerned, even with Togashi being the writer here. Even if the power itself is left OP, there needs to be some kind of limiter. I think Vash the Stampede is a good example- extremely overpowered, but he'd never use the full extent of his potential simply because of who he is. Alluka has no limiter. Not only that, her specific ability is far more vast than the likes of someone like Vash or even (in HxH) Meruem. She can do literally anything, as far as we can tell. Uhm, no. His dad wouldn't even allow him to see Alluka. The whole reason why Alluka is locked up is because they don't want to divulge any information about his powers AND he can cause a whole bunch of deaths. That's kinda why Killua made all those conditions (ie. no one can be in the hospital) when he talked to Morel. Killua only considered Alluka because Gon's life was on the line (which is important to him). If Alluka had actually killed Meruem and co. then everyone will eventually be onto Something. There's just so much room for the story to get fucked up with such an OP ability.. People will ask themselves things like "why didn't he make x wish... would've saved a lot of trouble and made much more sense" and stuff like that. Hell I already got one - why didn't killua pre-arrange the private extra hospital beforehand and just teleport there with her ability? Alluka is a last resort. The Hunters already had a plan to deal with the CA's, there was no need for Alluka. All your "what if's" can easily be refuted by the fact that Alluka is heavily guarded by the Zoldycks. You've got to keep in mind that Killua only got to see Alluka because he brought up the whole deal about "never going back on a friend" with Silva, which is a very important ideal to the family. Silva wouldn't have allowed him if it was for something like the Chimera Ants, knowing that they can be dealt with by other means. Also, I think you need to pay more attention or re-watch it again. The purpose of that secret hospital room was so that no one could see how Gon would be healed. Alluka's power is a secret that must be kept from dangerous hands. I think you guys need to remember that despite how OP Alluka is, there's still a shitload of conditions to him. He's not just something that you can use just like that. And there's also the factor of who he kills, which is a very dangerous thing as well. Yeah I get why there needs to be a private hospital room thanks... I don't need to rewatch it. That doesn't answer why he didn't just teleport to it... BeatzMe said: Would've been easier to hide his secret if he just teleported and the rest of the family assumed he earned his next wish the hard way.DerpHole said: jreginald said: Kuralchemist99 said: TripleSRank said: Yeah. Isn't it a little strange that back in the Chimera Ant arc Killua didn't just go back home and ask Something to kill Meruem? Or all of the royal guards? The only thing preventing him from seeing/remembering Alluka was Illumi's needile right? He should have remembered as soon as he pulled it out. Not really a plot hole, but still rather strange. As far as we know Alluka is even more powerful than the Dragon Balls.insan3soldiern said: DerpHole said: Well now they can basically solve any problem by using their little pocket sized miracle maker. She's too OP she needs to die or have serious limitations imposed before the story starts getting negatively impacted by her presence. Oh well only 2 more eps left anyway. It's pretty obvious they are setting up a power struggle over Alluka in the Zoldyck family. So, basically, her overpowered abilities have opened up another can of worms. Even at that, I tend to agree with him. As it is, she's overpowered. It doesn't matter who controls her or who she wants to help. I'm not saying that overpowered is inherently bad, but I hazard to say that I'm concerned, even with Togashi being the writer here. Even if the power itself is left OP, there needs to be some kind of limiter. I think Vash the Stampede is a good example- extremely overpowered, but he'd never use the full extent of his potential simply because of who he is. Alluka has no limiter. Not only that, her specific ability is far more vast than the likes of someone like Vash or even (in HxH) Meruem. She can do literally anything, as far as we can tell. Uhm, no. His dad wouldn't even allow him to see Alluka. The whole reason why Alluka is locked up is because they don't want to divulge any information about his powers AND he can cause a whole bunch of deaths. That's kinda why Killua made all those conditions (ie. no one can be in the hospital) when he talked to Morel. Killua only considered Alluka because Gon's life was on the line (which is important to him). If Alluka had actually killed Meruem and co. then everyone will eventually be onto Something. There's just so much room for the story to get fucked up with such an OP ability.. People will ask themselves things like "why didn't he make x wish... would've saved a lot of trouble and made much more sense" and stuff like that. Hell I already got one - why didn't killua pre-arrange the private extra hospital beforehand and just teleport there with her ability? I'm pretty sure Killua didn't remember Alluka for most of the Chimera Ants arc due to Illumi's brainwashing, as he later noted when visiting her. Also, why'd he risk revealing the possibility of exploiting Alluka's abilities 'so easily' and exposing her to the danger the rest of the Zoldycks' thirst for power would pose. He obviously only resorted to that last hope once there was no other means of saving Gon, his best friend and most important person (next to Alluka?). And even once he decided to use her power, he obviously tried to hide his secret concerning Alluka from the others for as long as possible, which made teleporting to Gon from the start needlessly risky as that would only increase their family's suspicion. Better safe than sorry. If something went wrong and he'd have no other choice left (as for example after being cornered by Illumi) he could still resort to using Alluka's power to reach Gon. IMO, he just tried saving Gon while keeping Alluka out of harm's way. He eventually failed and they now know anyway, but he at least tried. -I suppose that Nanika/alluka couldnt teleport them to the hospital because she didnt know Gon or where is the hospital. -well I supposer that Togashi will explain better her ability in the future (more exceptions). Killua prefers to not use Nanika like a Genie |
cronosteso23Sep 10, 2014 8:07 AM
Gintama: "The blade is not to cut down your enemies Nor is it to cut away your own weakness A sword isnt meant to protect your body A sword is meant for protecting your soul" |
Sep 10, 2014 7:56 AM
#152
DerpHole said: Yeah I get why there needs to be a private hospital room thanks... I don't need to rewatch it. That doesn't answer why he didn't just teleport to it... Alluka can only teleport to a place where he's been before. EDIT: ninja'd. Cronos, learn to use spoiler tags to avoid quote towers -.- |
Sep 10, 2014 8:02 AM
#153
jreginald said: DerpHole said: Yeah I get why there needs to be a private hospital room thanks... I don't need to rewatch it. That doesn't answer why he didn't just teleport to it... Alluka can only teleport to a place where he's been before. EDIT: ninja'd. Cronos, learn to use spoiler tags to avoid quote towers -.- B-but it's so much easier to dismiss her as a plot hole :(. |
Sep 10, 2014 8:10 AM
#154
BeatzMe said: jreginald said: DerpHole said: Yeah I get why there needs to be a private hospital room thanks... I don't need to rewatch it. That doesn't answer why he didn't just teleport to it... Alluka can only teleport to a place where he's been before. EDIT: ninja'd. Cronos, learn to use spoiler tags to avoid quote towers -.- B-but it's so much easier to dismiss her as a plot hole :(. Lol so there's a thread about it now... Anyway, I could be wrong about Alluka's ability but I gave another answer in that thread. |
Sep 10, 2014 8:13 AM
#155
Even if she knew the place Killua wouldn't use it. |
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Sep 10, 2014 9:27 AM
#156
The Nanika ability is a nen ability: [b]EP 46: is it possible to conjure a sword that can cut throught anything? - Kurapika:" thats impossible, because that exceeds the bounds of human ability" -"... but you cant conjure anything omnipotent." Milluki was responsible for the first wish -EP 139 milluki: "kill him (muna) for me "........ he likes to make requests, you only need to refuse...: Muna dies so IF WE USE OUR BRAIN, WE CAN CONCLUDE (infer): 1. Nanika has to know the person who is goint to kill. (I dont know if this person should be near/close of nanika) 2. it is different if someone refused 4 of allukas requests NANIKA NEEDS TO KNOW THE PERSON THAT SHE/HE IS GOING TO KILL. so I suppose that SHE NEEDS TO KNOW WHO IS GON OR THE LOCATION OF THE HOSPITAL. -EP 138: there PROBABLY isnt any limit.... But KILLUA SAID: MY GUESS IS THAT SHE CAN GRANT ANY WISH. -BUT: Killua and his family dont know the origin of Nanika, But I as MANGAREADER suppose that NANIKA (something) IS : a calamity who came from dark continent Conclussion: Killua have not tested the maximum/full power of Nanika but he doesn't like treat her as a genie of the lamp |
cronosteso23Sep 10, 2014 9:34 AM
Gintama: "The blade is not to cut down your enemies Nor is it to cut away your own weakness A sword isnt meant to protect your body A sword is meant for protecting your soul" |
Sep 10, 2014 9:32 AM
#157
I've had a heart of stone throughout this series, even when some of my favourite characters died. But seeing those tears fall from Nanika's squiggly eyes almost got me. |
Sep 10, 2014 9:45 AM
#158
Kurokokoy said: did ging actually meant kite under estimated pitou or hes just saying it to calm down gon? Ging would never make things easier to Gon. By the way, I think Morel or another character said that Kite underestimated Pitou and paid the price. |
Sep 10, 2014 12:17 PM
#161
Superb! Damn it Nanika stop crying.. :'( |
Sep 10, 2014 12:27 PM
#162
Nanika has a feel and Killua dont want to use her to do something like kill people for me. That why he dont think about Alluka for rid off Chimera ant. and if Illumi dont notice, Killua want to keep the secret about he can command her anyway anytime without a risk. that why he dont teleport to hospital. |
Sep 10, 2014 12:58 PM
#163
Aaaw that scene with Nanika was cute and sad >< And not really glad that Gon is back... didn't miss him at all ^^" |
Sep 10, 2014 2:06 PM
#164
Killua is by far my favorite character. I know Gon longed to see Ging, but I kinda wish he went to see Killua first after being saved. This might be a tad controversial but I genuinely do think Killua cares for Gon way more than Ging does.. I don't know how to explain why it made me sad that he didn't go to see Killua straight away, it just did. And i hope Gon finds out it was Killua who saved him. Kil definitely deserves recognition for his selflessness. |
Sep 10, 2014 2:40 PM
#165
keragamming said: Gon was so f***ing annoying in the episode, what's worst is that I don't give too shits about Kite we only saw him for like 2 episodes and that's it. Gon was just so lame. Any ways, I liked the part with his father and the audience.XD good episode I like it, the part with Alluka was kinda weird, I'm always laughing when She says "kay" but her eyes spinning looks so cartoony though, overall a good episode. 4/5 It was 10 episodes , and he actually should have been there in the first episode of hunter x hunter and in Gon's talks throughout every arc but Madhouse screwed that part. so yes he is something. not a random character that died. |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Sep 10, 2014 2:42 PM
#166
Seeing Killua and his sis moment was so kawaii though he was a jerk to Something they still made up at the end. Killua is my fav character in this series hands down. And Ging is a complete ass showing no emotion for his son saying clam down clam down. He just needs to be punched again. Great Episode 5/5 |
Sep 10, 2014 3:39 PM
#167
Another beautiful and amazing episode of HxH. Loved the Ging/Gon reunion, was nice to see. I laughed when everybody made fun of Ging for being a horrible father and when he beat everyone up. Ging is a truly interesting and entertaining character. I absolutely loved Killua this episode, up until before the Chimera Ant arc I didn't like Killua but now he's become one of my favourite characters in the whole series! Killua is such an interesting character, I love him and am a huge fan of his. It's interesting to see why/how Killua is thinking, I think for the most part that he's very calculating. The Killua and Nanika/Alluka parts were very emotional and beautiful. I love that Killua is a loving and caring brother and that he also doesn't want to allow Illumi to use Alluka for possibly corrupt things. Such a great episode, 5/5. Can't believe this is done in 2 episodes :( |
Sep 10, 2014 4:20 PM
#168
This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen from a while xD Ging actually beat the shit out of everyone. I really need to start reading the manga in order to get used to Togashi's horrible artwork (seriously, a 3-year-old kid would drew better than him) after that amazing first class quality animation, that'll be really tough. |
Sep 10, 2014 4:25 PM
#169
Satan-sama said: This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen from a while xD Ging actually beat the shit out of everyone. I really need to start reading the manga in order to get used to Togashi's horrible artwork (seriously, a 3-year-old kid would drew better than him) after that amazing first class quality animation, that'll be really tough. The drawings are good starting from the dark continent arc and all of the elections arc except one damn chapter where gon meets kite which looks rubbish which will be adapted next episode |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Sep 10, 2014 4:37 PM
#170
Akabawi said: Satan-sama said: This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen from a while xD Ging actually beat the shit out of everyone. I really need to start reading the manga in order to get used to Togashi's horrible artwork (seriously, a 3-year-old kid would drew better than him) after that amazing first class quality animation, that'll be really tough. The drawings are good starting from the dark continent arc and all of the elections arc except one damn chapter where gon meets kite which looks rubbish which will be adapted next episode Can't wait for one very specific moment next episode. |
"Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
Sep 10, 2014 5:21 PM
#171
Satan-sama said: This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen from a while xD Ging actually beat the shit out of everyone. I really need to start reading the manga in order to get used to Togashi's horrible artwork (seriously, a 3-year-old kid would drew better than him) after that amazing first class quality animation, that'll be really tough. What you see from him is what he does when is tired and wanting hiatus. Srly, the tankobon are great. He's a very talented artist. During Illumi's persecution, he took Junji Ito's style to form the terror atmosphere. He have dominance over his drawings |
Forever_ASep 10, 2014 5:31 PM
Sep 10, 2014 6:32 PM
#172
Satan-sama said: This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen from a while xD Ging actually beat the shit out of everyone. I really need to start reading the manga in order to get used to Togashi's horrible artwork (seriously, a 3-year-old kid would drew better than him) after that amazing first class quality animation, that'll be really tough. The current arc's art beats the anime by a mile, top tier art <3 |
Sep 10, 2014 6:43 PM
#173
Im getting goosebumps now the Koala scene is next ep. |
Sep 10, 2014 7:18 PM
#174
Satan-sama said: This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen from a while xD Ging actually beat the shit out of everyone. I really need to start reading the manga in order to get used to Togashi's horrible artwork (seriously, a 3-year-old kid would drew better than him) after that amazing first class quality animation, that'll be really tough. ??? I just started reading the manga recently from Yorknew arc and the art is good. headless_nick said: the last rule was really simple you like some one , respect some one , you do favors for them . favors are free . it makes us humane . alluka is not a wish granting beast ! she is begging killua to be that person . you don't need complex thoughts to understand alluka's rules . the exception of last rule is so simple , so humane that it reflects appropriately the simplicity in togashi's complexity . brilliant stuff ! you need to be kind . kind towards both alluka and nanika .in the end that's what a human being wants despite how much of a dangerous being he is ... another thing that was really impressive was the subtle messege that togashi left in this episode . when you see pariston doing everything and leaving the chairman's position in the end just for the sake of fun, you clearly get the message . its not the result / aim , its the journey towards aim that matters . interesting to say togashi did the exact same thing with gon in this episode . he made gon meet ging out of blue where everyone thought that was the end goal of gon and this series . togashi broke the notion of typical shonen hero's ultimate aim and wrapped it beautifully midway .and we can't deny we had fun all the way to the end It's a very interesting way to look at it. I hated this episode at first because it felt like the author wanted to wrap things up as fast as possible but after rewatching the episode everything made sense. Ging and Gon were in character, and it was nice to know that the vice-chairman Netero chose wasn't a power-hungry manipulator. Still, I'd rather see characters die trying to achieve something than deal with the drawback of a wish (which is nonexistent if Killua is the one doing the wishing) so hopefully Allua will never use her power again in the future. |
Sep 10, 2014 7:21 PM
#175
Sol_Ou said: Im getting goosebumps now the Koala scene is next ep. That's actually the scene I was referring to haha. |
"Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
Sep 10, 2014 7:27 PM
#176
Ollyx2OxenFree said: But is it really that different? When I think about super emotional or dramatic first meetings only Naruto comes to mind. A lot of MC's hate, have never met or don't seem to have an interest in their fathers in the first place.RagingMan said: Well the Gon and Ging Reunion was... anticlimactic. Haha, what's cool is how original it was. Most shounens make first meetings like that super special or dramatic, Togashi doesn't do that. Who would have thought Gon would meet his father like that? On the art topic: It's good but nothing great (I strongly disagree that it looks better than the show). The chicken scratch days are in the past for now though, so art quality shouldn't be much of an issue for people who want to read the new arc. |
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Sep 10, 2014 10:30 PM
#177
dynamie said: Satan-sama said: This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen from a while xD Ging actually beat the shit out of everyone. I really need to start reading the manga in order to get used to Togashi's horrible artwork (seriously, a 3-year-old kid would drew better than him) after that amazing first class quality animation, that'll be really tough. ??? I just started reading the manga recently from Yorknew arc and the art is good. headless_nick said: the last rule was really simple you like some one , respect some one , you do favors for them . favors are free . it makes us humane . alluka is not a wish granting beast ! she is begging killua to be that person . you don't need complex thoughts to understand alluka's rules . the exception of last rule is so simple , so humane that it reflects appropriately the simplicity in togashi's complexity . brilliant stuff ! you need to be kind . kind towards both alluka and nanika .in the end that's what a human being wants despite how much of a dangerous being he is ... another thing that was really impressive was the subtle messege that togashi left in this episode . when you see pariston doing everything and leaving the chairman's position in the end just for the sake of fun, you clearly get the message . its not the result / aim , its the journey towards aim that matters . interesting to say togashi did the exact same thing with gon in this episode . he made gon meet ging out of blue where everyone thought that was the end goal of gon and this series . togashi broke the notion of typical shonen hero's ultimate aim and wrapped it beautifully midway .and we can't deny we had fun all the way to the end It's a very interesting way to look at it. I hated this episode at first because it felt like the author wanted to wrap things up as fast as possible but after rewatching the episode everything made sense. Ging and Gon were in character, and it was nice to know that the vice-chairman Netero chose wasn't a power-hungry manipulator. Still, I'd rather see characters die trying to achieve something than deal with the drawback of a wish (which is nonexistent if Killua is the one doing the wishing) so hopefully Allua will never use her power again in the future. Pariston is a riot hungry manipulator , in other words Joker version 2.00 , you may have not realised it but he is the reason Netero died . And his schemes are mentioned loudly in episode 99 |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Sep 10, 2014 10:43 PM
#178
Akabawi said: dynamie said: Satan-sama said: This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen from a while xD Ging actually beat the shit out of everyone. I really need to start reading the manga in order to get used to Togashi's horrible artwork (seriously, a 3-year-old kid would drew better than him) after that amazing first class quality animation, that'll be really tough. ??? I just started reading the manga recently from Yorknew arc and the art is good. headless_nick said: the last rule was really simple you like some one , respect some one , you do favors for them . favors are free . it makes us humane . alluka is not a wish granting beast ! she is begging killua to be that person . you don't need complex thoughts to understand alluka's rules . the exception of last rule is so simple , so humane that it reflects appropriately the simplicity in togashi's complexity . brilliant stuff ! you need to be kind . kind towards both alluka and nanika .in the end that's what a human being wants despite how much of a dangerous being he is ... another thing that was really impressive was the subtle messege that togashi left in this episode . when you see pariston doing everything and leaving the chairman's position in the end just for the sake of fun, you clearly get the message . its not the result / aim , its the journey towards aim that matters . interesting to say togashi did the exact same thing with gon in this episode . he made gon meet ging out of blue where everyone thought that was the end goal of gon and this series . togashi broke the notion of typical shonen hero's ultimate aim and wrapped it beautifully midway .and we can't deny we had fun all the way to the end It's a very interesting way to look at it. I hated this episode at first because it felt like the author wanted to wrap things up as fast as possible but after rewatching the episode everything made sense. Ging and Gon were in character, and it was nice to know that the vice-chairman Netero chose wasn't a power-hungry manipulator. Still, I'd rather see characters die trying to achieve something than deal with the drawback of a wish (which is nonexistent if Killua is the one doing the wishing) so hopefully Allua will never use her power again in the future. Pariston is a riot hungry manipulator , in other words Joker version 2.00 , you may have not realised it but he is the reason Netero died . And his schemes are mentioned loudly in episode 99 I thought it was just him "playing" with Netero because he was collecting votes to become chairman. Netero died because he fought Meruem and someone else put the bomb inside him, right? Or was it Pariston? It seems to me that Netero was screwed in every way possible and Pariston wasn't the main reason why he died. I still consider him a villain but at least he didn't become the chairman because that would make Netero's decision to make him the vice-chairman a big mistake. |
PurpleKaitoSep 10, 2014 10:51 PM
Sep 10, 2014 11:07 PM
#179
dynamie said: Akabawi said: dynamie said: Satan-sama said: This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen from a while xD Ging actually beat the shit out of everyone. I really need to start reading the manga in order to get used to Togashi's horrible artwork (seriously, a 3-year-old kid would drew better than him) after that amazing first class quality animation, that'll be really tough. ??? I just started reading the manga recently from Yorknew arc and the art is good. headless_nick said: the last rule was really simple you like some one , respect some one , you do favors for them . favors are free . it makes us humane . alluka is not a wish granting beast ! she is begging killua to be that person . you don't need complex thoughts to understand alluka's rules . the exception of last rule is so simple , so humane that it reflects appropriately the simplicity in togashi's complexity . brilliant stuff ! you need to be kind . kind towards both alluka and nanika .in the end that's what a human being wants despite how much of a dangerous being he is ... another thing that was really impressive was the subtle messege that togashi left in this episode . when you see pariston doing everything and leaving the chairman's position in the end just for the sake of fun, you clearly get the message . its not the result / aim , its the journey towards aim that matters . interesting to say togashi did the exact same thing with gon in this episode . he made gon meet ging out of blue where everyone thought that was the end goal of gon and this series . togashi broke the notion of typical shonen hero's ultimate aim and wrapped it beautifully midway .and we can't deny we had fun all the way to the end It's a very interesting way to look at it. I hated this episode at first because it felt like the author wanted to wrap things up as fast as possible but after rewatching the episode everything made sense. Ging and Gon were in character, and it was nice to know that the vice-chairman Netero chose wasn't a power-hungry manipulator. Still, I'd rather see characters die trying to achieve something than deal with the drawback of a wish (which is nonexistent if Killua is the one doing the wishing) so hopefully Allua will never use her power again in the future. Pariston is a riot hungry manipulator , in other words Joker version 2.00 , you may have not realised it but he is the reason Netero died . And his schemes are mentioned loudly in episode 99 I thought it was just him "playing" with Netero because he was collecting votes to become chairman. Netero died because he fought Meruem and someone else put the bomb inside him, right? Or was it Pariston? It seems to me that Netero was screwed in every way possible and Pariston wasn't the main reason why he died. I still consider him a villain but at least he didn't become the chairman because that would make Netero's decision to make him the vice-chairman a big mistake. When I said he is the reason Netero died , it is because he is the reason they never had any support from the hunter association , Pariston has been backstabbing Netero the whole operation and that is Why Morel said "The Chairman was ready for that sort of thing" Watch Episode 99 to the part where Morel and Knov talk about the Vice Chairman's conspiracy and it gets mentioned again later in the dark continent with more added info. He is the reason Netero died. |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Sep 10, 2014 11:22 PM
#180
@Akabawi For now I still don't see how he has anything to do with Netero's death because Netero took Meruem to an isolated place where he could fight him and safely active the bomb if he failed. The plan was Netero vs Meruem, I don't think Netero would have had a team fighting Meruem had Pariston not blocked the reinforcements because he said he wanted a good opponent. But Pariston is certainly responsible for what Gon and Killua's team had to go through. I haven't read the Dark Continent arc yet so maybe my opinion will change then. |
PurpleKaitoSep 10, 2014 11:39 PM
Sep 10, 2014 11:39 PM
#181
Pariaton is the reason that there were no alternatives but this, as some people always said, he could have had more qualified hunters at his side, and thus won the battle with ease, but what did he get? Pariston has been controlling the review board ro send in the weakest hunters to fall prey within squadron leaders while also controlling the voices inside to blame him for everyone dying. Now if this doesn't still give you that he is the reason for his death, You will believe so when you go across this part again in the DC ar arc |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Sep 11, 2014 12:24 AM
#182
Akabawi said: Pariaton is the reason that there were no alternatives but this, as some people always said, he could have had more qualified hunters at his side, and thus won the battle with ease, but what did he get? Pariston has been controlling the review board ro send in the weakest hunters to fall prey within squadron leaders while also controlling the voices inside to blame him for everyone dying. Now if this doesn't still give you that he is the reason for his death, You will believe so when you go across this part again in the DC ar arc As an alternate character interpretation, we could theorize that Pariston did all of this to provide Netero with the ultimate battle he longed for. That doesn't clear Pariston morally speaking, though it does show that he wasn't working against Netero in an absolute sense. When Netero says he is grateful for everything that led up to his fight with Meruem, that includes Pariston's actions. Netero was a very selfish person, as is Pariston. Netero's legacy was selfishness, which is pretty scary if you think about it. That's what Ging and Pariston are trying to perpetrate in the Hunter organization. Not justice- selfishness. That could lead to some rather interesting conflicts with the friendship Gon and Killua share. As for the Dark Continent arc, I can't say. |
TripleSRankSep 11, 2014 12:27 AM
Sep 11, 2014 6:27 AM
#183
LOVED THE EPISODE <3 <3 Especially the first part :D |
Sep 11, 2014 9:27 AM
#184
Akabawi said: Pariaton is the reason that there were no alternatives but this, as some people always said, he could have had more qualified hunters at his side, and thus won the battle with ease, but what did he get? Pariston has been controlling the review board ro send in the weakest hunters to fall prey within squadron leaders while also controlling the voices inside to blame him for everyone dying. Now if this doesn't still give you that he is the reason for his death, You will believe so when you go across this part again in the DC ar arc wtf? Netero always wanted to fight someone stronger. He never would accept help from anyone in a fight against Meruem. It was his decision. Srly |
Sep 11, 2014 3:57 PM
#185
Ging is such an asshole ...worst father Ive ever seen in the entire anime/manga universe. I hate him with a burning passion |
Sep 11, 2014 4:14 PM
#186
Rikudo95 said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTja2lw1m9MCan someone pls tell me whats the name of the ost beginning from around 17:00? Where Killua talks with nanika |
Sep 11, 2014 4:54 PM
#187
HxH_fan said: Ging is such an asshole ...worst father Ive ever seen in the entire anime/manga universe. I hate him with a burning passion Someone is yet to see (FMA Spoiler) Shou Tucker |
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Sep 11, 2014 5:00 PM
#188
Akabawi said: Pariaton is the reason that there were no alternatives but this, as some people always said, he could have had more qualified hunters at his side, and thus won the battle with ease, but what did he get? Pariston has been controlling the review board ro send in the weakest hunters to fall prey within squadron leaders while also controlling the voices inside to blame him for everyone dying. Now if this doesn't still give you that he is the reason for his death, You will believe so when you go across this part again in the DC ar arc netero wanted to fight meruem he did everything on his own terms until the very end. doubt he cared much about what pariston did. he made him his vice and encouraged his shenanigans. |
Sep 11, 2014 5:12 PM
#189
red_hero said: It was so clear that Netero had a fun dealing with Pariston. Sure Pariston is a jerk and deserved to be punched,but Netero is not that dumb to be manipulated by Pariston.Akabawi said: Pariaton is the reason that there were no alternatives but this, as some people always said, he could have had more qualified hunters at his side, and thus won the battle with ease, but what did he get? Pariston has been controlling the review board ro send in the weakest hunters to fall prey within squadron leaders while also controlling the voices inside to blame him for everyone dying. Now if this doesn't still give you that he is the reason for his death, You will believe so when you go across this part again in the DC ar arc netero wanted to fight meruem he did everything on his own terms until the very end. doubt he cared much about what pariston did. he made him his vice and encouraged his shenanigans. The way Morel and Knov talking about pariston is from the "outsider" point of view who indeed understand what kind of person Pariston is, that's acceptable. But you should already know that HxH story isn't black or white morality. Netero also had a fun fighting against Meruem, the thing that he wanted to do over past 50 years. It was mostly because Netero selfishness itself, and that also can happens because of Pariston sabotage. Netero was a hunter, and hunter is mostly a selfish person in order to reach their goal. Not saying Pariston is a good person, but saying Netero death in a bad way is all Pariston's fault is not right. |
Sep 11, 2014 5:31 PM
#190
I know a lot of people won't believe in the dark continent it is said Flashoftheback said: red_hero said: It was so clear that Netero had a fun dealing with Pariston. Sure Pariston is a jerk and deserved to be punched,but Netero is not that dumb to be manipulated by Pariston.Akabawi said: Pariaton is the reason that there were no alternatives but this, as some people always said, he could have had more qualified hunters at his side, and thus won the battle with ease, but what did he get? Pariston has been controlling the review board ro send in the weakest hunters to fall prey within squadron leaders while also controlling the voices inside to blame him for everyone dying. Now if this doesn't still give you that he is the reason for his death, You will believe so when you go across this part again in the DC ar arc netero wanted to fight meruem he did everything on his own terms until the very end. doubt he cared much about what pariston did. he made him his vice and encouraged his shenanigans. The way Morel and Knov talking about pariston is from the "outsider" point of view who indeed understand what kind of person Pariston is, that's acceptable. But you should already know that HxH story isn't black or white morality. Netero also had a fun fighting against Meruem, the thing that he wanted to do over past 50 years. It was mostly because Netero selfishness itself, and that also can happens because of Pariston sabotage. Netero was a hunter, and hunter is mostly a selfish person in order to reach their goal. Not saying Pariston is a good person, but saying Netero death in a bad way is all Pariston's fault is not right. It is not about Netero being dumb as much as being pushed to a corner , I know hunter x hunter has no black and white morality. Yes , Netero wanted to fight the King alone , but it was more of a matter of being prepared to face the consequences than being in a selfish act , I know all my talk will result on no one changing his opinion , but I didn't base what I said on episode 99 , I based it on what I read in the Dark Continent , but the point is I realised that this was discussed way earlier in episode 99 that is all , in the Dark Continent you will find if what I said was true or false + how did he do that + more shocking important pieces of info which aren't mentioned in episode 99 . That is all what I can say. |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Sep 11, 2014 5:49 PM
#191
Akabawi said: I know a lot of people won't believe in the dark continent it is said Flashoftheback said: red_hero said: Akabawi said: Pariaton is the reason that there were no alternatives but this, as some people always said, he could have had more qualified hunters at his side, and thus won the battle with ease, but what did he get? Pariston has been controlling the review board ro send in the weakest hunters to fall prey within squadron leaders while also controlling the voices inside to blame him for everyone dying. Now if this doesn't still give you that he is the reason for his death, You will believe so when you go across this part again in the DC ar arc netero wanted to fight meruem he did everything on his own terms until the very end. doubt he cared much about what pariston did. he made him his vice and encouraged his shenanigans. The way Morel and Knov talking about pariston is from the "outsider" point of view who indeed understand what kind of person Pariston is, that's acceptable. But you should already know that HxH story isn't black or white morality. Netero also had a fun fighting against Meruem, the thing that he wanted to do over past 50 years. It was mostly because Netero selfishness itself, and that also can happens because of Pariston sabotage. Netero was a hunter, and hunter is mostly a selfish person in order to reach their goal. Not saying Pariston is a good person, but saying Netero death in a bad way is all Pariston's fault is not right. It is not about Netero being dumb as much as being pushed to a corner , I know hunter x hunter has no black and white morality. Yes , Netero wanted to fight the King alone , but it was more of a matter of being prepared to face the consequences than being in a selfish act , I know all my talk will result on no one changing his opinion , but I didn't base what I said on episode 99 , I based it on what I read in the Dark Continent , but the point is I realised that this was discussed way earlier in episode 99 that is all , in the Dark Continent you will find if what I said was true or false + how did he do that + more shocking important pieces of info which aren't mentioned in episode 99 . That is all what I can say. i read the manga and still stand by what i said. what chapter are you talking about? 346? the stuff mizai said? |
Sep 11, 2014 6:13 PM
#192
Sep 11, 2014 6:21 PM
#193
idk man it doesn't add anything for me (about pariston being the reason netero died that is). and i take everything any character except ging says about pariston with a grain of salt |
Sep 11, 2014 7:24 PM
#194
Why would you take it with a grain of salt ? It's not like Pariston is not that smart and it is not like he did help the Association at the crisis itself. And the deduction provided real results The moles |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Sep 11, 2014 7:44 PM
#195
Akabawi said: Why would you take it with a grain of salt ? It's not like Pariston is not that smart and it is not like he did help the Association at the crisis itself. And the deduction provided real results The moles not saying he isn't smart. no one knows what he wants they are just speculating. about pariston being the reason netero died we'll just agree to disagree then. already stated what i think about it. |
Sep 11, 2014 7:52 PM
#196
But the deduction gave them real results , It's not out of air speculating , they had some facts that lead them to that speculation Like for example Beyond preparing the voyage as if he knew that his father would die and that Beyond wanted to get rid of his father and Isaac Netero locked him up |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Sep 11, 2014 8:37 PM
#197
Akabawi said: But the deduction gave them real results , It's not out of air speculating , they had some facts that lead them to that speculation Like for example Beyond preparing the voyage as if he knew that his father would die and that Beyond wanted to get rid of his father and Isaac Netero locked him up pariston =/= beyond you confused me by saying pariston. pariston clearly has his own intentions that no one knows. it's still too early to say anything. not enough proof that they are responsible for netero's death. sending ant queen to ngl knowing she would give birth to meruem who would kill netero is a far-fetched plan. srly i'm not even interested in discussing it right now. |
Sep 11, 2014 9:06 PM
#198
red_hero said: Akabawi said: But the deduction gave them real results , It's not out of air speculating , they had some facts that lead them to that speculation Like for example Beyond preparing the voyage as if he knew that his father would die and that Beyond wanted to get rid of his father and Isaac Netero locked him up pariston =/= beyond you confused me by saying pariston. pariston clearly has his own intentions that no one knows. it's still too early to say anything. not enough proof that they are responsible for netero's death. sending ant queen to ngl knowing she would give birth to meruem who would kill netero is a far-fetched plan. srly i'm not even interested in discussing it right now. It's not a far fetched plan when you basically add this point , that he hindered their progress and shaped the invasion to be like this , When they asked for capable hunters what did they get ? Useless hunters who died as fodder to the squadron leaders and who did get the blame ? Netero , It is not far fetched when you realise that Pariston didn't just *lol let's just throw that chimera ant here and wait for it* , but he actually kept tracking of the situation and only hindering any progress they could have achieved in a short notice. That is my point , that is besides that pariston and beyond are accomplices *for now* |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Sep 11, 2014 9:15 PM
#199
Akabawi said: red_hero said: Akabawi said: But the deduction gave them real results , It's not out of air speculating , they had some facts that lead them to that speculation Like for example Beyond preparing the voyage as if he knew that his father would die and that Beyond wanted to get rid of his father and Isaac Netero locked him up pariston =/= beyond you confused me by saying pariston. pariston clearly has his own intentions that no one knows. it's still too early to say anything. not enough proof that they are responsible for netero's death. sending ant queen to ngl knowing she would give birth to meruem who would kill netero is a far-fetched plan. srly i'm not even interested in discussing it right now. It's not a far fetched plan when you basically add this point , that he hindered their progress and shaped the invasion to be like this , When they asked for capable hunters what did they get ? Useless hunters who died as fodder to the squadron leaders and who did get the blame ? Netero , It is not far fetched when you realise that Pariston didn't just *lol let's just throw that chimera ant here and wait for it* , but he actually kept tracking of the situation and only hindering any progress they could have achieved in a short notice. That is my point , that is besides that pariston and beyond are accomplices *for now* this goes back to my first post. it was all netero's decision. and i hope we can agree to disagree. |
Sep 11, 2014 9:23 PM
#200
It was his decision , but you always seem to ignore the last words said in that particular episode , "The Chairman is prepared to take the consequences", I am implying that Pariston plays a Xanatos Gambit in which he wins whatever the result is. Just like he did in the elections |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
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