AnarchicSloth said: Insertanamehere said: Yeah, I was right, they do keep re-using the name.Shiki Tohno is from Tsukihime, though you may have also heard of Shiki Ryougi from Kara no Kyoukai. [*]Shiki Ryougi, the protagonist of Kara no Kyoukai. [*]Shiki Tohno, the protagonist of Tsukihime. [*]SHIKI Tohno, an antagonist in Tsukihime. [*]Shiki Nanaya, Shiki Tohno's original name and a unique incarnation of him created by Night of Wallachia in Melty Blood. SHIKI means death so there's a thematical meaning behind using his name. Also apart from Ryogi, all the other ones are connected to each other in more than one way. Medusa33 said: Hey guys i have one question i read that Nasu was creating original story and then they confirmed UBW so i am confused is everything going to be exactly like it was in UBW route or maybe we will see some different things created by Nasu? I mean if they are gonna make Rider loose so pathetically again it will be huge disappointment for me besides in some official pics made me think that Shinji won't annoy us anymore.......please tell me what do you think or what do you know~ ^_^ He is NOT creating original story. Original scenes =/= original story UBW is simply expanded with things he could not add to the novel so most likely we will see additional points of view through various events, as well as various events that are just IMPLIED through the course of the vn, like Its still 100% UBW with no materials or things from other routes in it THe picture you are talking about is there because ufotable is also making Heaven's Feel Movies |
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| No, this whole thing about Nasu writing a new story was just a rumour. As far as we know, this anime should be just UBW with a few original scenes written by Nasu that complement the original route. |
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Fai said: Oops, I overlooked that. I just copied it from the type moon wikiAnarchicSloth said: Yeah, I was right, they do keep re-using the name. [*]Shiki Ryougi, the protagonist of Kara no Kyoukai. [*]Shiki Tohno, the protagonist of Tsukihime. [*]SHIKI Tohno, an antagonist in Tsukihime. [*]Shiki Nanaya, Shiki Tohno's original name and a unique incarnation of him created by Night of Wallachia in Melty Blood. SHIKI means death so there's a thematical meaning behind using his name. Also apart from Ryogi, all the other ones are connected to each other in more than one way. |
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Sapewloth said: Or alternatively: People who hated DEENFSN and will be forced to recognize the source material's quality with UFOtable's (hopefully) masterful adaptation. People who loved Zero and don't know what to expect of F/SN, and will be blown away by UFOtable's (hopefully) masterful adaptation. People who didn't watch it and will get join the bandwagon out of pure curiosity, and will be blown away by UFOtable's (hopefully) masterful adaptation. I swear, the pessimism around here is downright depressing sometimes. Good thing I avoided the subforums during my revisions for my re-sit exams. Would've commited seppuku the night before the first day of exams or smth. Finally, another optimist. I like this version. |
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insan3soldiern said: Sapewloth said: Or alternatively: People who hated DEENFSN and will be forced to recognize the source material's quality with UFOtable's (hopefully) masterful adaptation. People who loved Zero and don't know what to expect of F/SN, and will be blown away by UFOtable's (hopefully) masterful adaptation. People who didn't watch it and will get join the bandwagon out of pure curiosity, and will be blown away by UFOtable's (hopefully) masterful adaptation. I swear, the pessimism around here is downright depressing sometimes. Good thing I avoided the subforums during my revisions for my re-sit exams. Would've commited seppuku the night before the first day of exams or smth. Finally, another optimist. I like this version. MAL community has killed any optimism I had in it long time ago. We already have examples of the behavior we are talking about too(for example SAO1 anime secondary reactions to SAO2 - some people project SAO1's flaws onto SAO2 even though they are not there anymore and some keep bitching how SAO1 was so much better and faster in every episode that does not contain fighting and actually has characters discussing things that are going on and how it affects them) |
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AnarchicSloth said: Yeah, I was right, they do keep re-using the name. [*]Shiki Ryougi, the protagonist of Kara no Kyoukai. [*]Shiki Tohno, the protagonist of Tsukihime. [*]SHIKI Tohno, an antagonist in Tsukihime. [*]Shiki Nanaya, Shiki Tohno's original name and a unique incarnation of him created by Night of Wallachia in Melty Blood. Well if you want to count all the Shiki's there also [*]SHIKI Ryougi from KNK [*]「 」Shiki from KNK But like Fai said, there is a connection between all the Tsukihime Shiki's and likewise between the KNK one's. And Nanaya's from Tsukihime too, not just Melty Blood. Also I believe one of them is the prototype of the other, I think Ryougi for Tohno, but i'm not too sure. |
Insertanamehere said: AnarchicSloth said: Yeah, I was right, they do keep re-using the name. [*]Shiki Ryougi, the protagonist of Kara no Kyoukai. [*]Shiki Tohno, the protagonist of Tsukihime. [*]SHIKI Tohno, an antagonist in Tsukihime. [*]Shiki Nanaya, Shiki Tohno's original name and a unique incarnation of him created by Night of Wallachia in Melty Blood. Well if you want to count all the Shiki's there also [*]SHIKI Ryougi from KNK [*]「 」Shiki from KNK But like Fai said, there is a connection between all the Tsukihime Shiki's and likewise between the KNK one's. And Nanaya's from Tsukihime too, not just Melty Blood. Also I believe one of them is the prototype of the other, I think Ryougi for Tohno, but i'm not too sure. Natsu first thought up Ryogi and KnK plotline and then Tohno and Tsukihime plotline, but decided to keep both since the stories are different enough and they keep very nice ironic tone to each other(ex: what both Touko and Aoko Aozaki end up doing and who they met) |
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| The rest of the comments save the day a bit. And if we compare anime and chars like this then everything is a NGE(or insert your fav here) rip off. |
| Getting a bad feeling that an Evangelion bash-fest is going to happen in this thread.... In any event, as a massive NGE fan, I don't really see too many similarities. Well, Shirou and Shinji are both incredibly broken individuals with some form of a father complex. But, the characters go into completely opposite directions that a comparison is pretty much moot. Asuka and Rin are great examples of how not every tsundere is the same. And, I'll be fucked if I continue this. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
 I don't see any similarities what so ever. Just because Gendo and Kiritsugu are somehow both "Machiavellian" doesn't make them similar character. Rin and Asuka also had different motivation and characterization. The user's reasoning is they are similar because they both belong on the Tsundere archetype. Now that would be true for the most tsunderes but both have complexity that you can't just label them as that. |
RedgraveGilverSep 15, 2014 3:48 AM
Shirou = Shinji. I almost stopped reading after that, but managed to read all of it. I don't see the similarities like him/her does though... Rin: Like RedgraveGilver says, the only thing similar is their tsundere trait, besides that i don't see any other similarities. Shirou: Bullshit. Kiritsugu: Really? Illya: Rei without the emotionless... then it's not Rei anymore. Oh man , that was a fun reading. |
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| THE OP's second post is even more ridiculous in that thread. As well as posts that Follow. "Rin is Like Asuka because of how she reacts to main character". Someone even argued that similarities are there because both NGE and FSN are harems... |
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Fai said: THE OP's second post is even more ridiculous in that thread. As well as posts that Follow. "Rin is Like Asuka because of how she reacts to main character". Someone even argued that similarities are there because both NGE and FSN are harems... Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha..... |
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| I realized that I haven't posted anything here today, that's not right. But then again I have no idea what to say since I haven't seen NGE an-- Fai said: Oh may God, Fai!THE OP's second post is even more ridiculous in that thread. As well as posts that Follow. "Rin is Like Asuka because of how she reacts to main character". Someone even argued that similarities are there because both NGE and FSN are harems... Secondaries make me mad :( |
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Botato said: I realized that I haven't posted anything here today, that's not right. But then again I have no idea what to say since I haven't seen NGE an-- Fai said: Oh may God, Fai!THE OP's second post is even more ridiculous in that thread. As well as posts that Follow. "Rin is Like Asuka because of how she reacts to main character". Someone even argued that similarities are there because both NGE and FSN are harems... Secondaries make me mad :( Go watch it, you won't(?) regret it. |
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| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Botato said: I realized that I haven't posted anything here today, that's not right. But then again I have no idea what to say since I haven't seen NGE an-- If you seen Madoka you've seen a better version of NGE, with a main character that is bearable and ending that makes sense. with the third madoka movie being on same level of cashcow nonsense as the evangelion movie franchise few years ago |
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| Hey guys what's u--yeah i'm outta here |
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Fai said: Botato said: I realized that I haven't posted anything here today, that's not right. But then again I have no idea what to say since I haven't seen NGE an-- If you seen Madoka you've seen a better version of NGE, with a main character that is bearable and ending that makes sense. with the third madoka movie being on same level of cashcow nonsense as the evangelion movie franchise few years ago Knew it was only a matter of time. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I don't want to talk about Rebellion in F/SN 2014 sub-forum. Last time it didn't turn out well. Yeah I'm out I guess. |
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insan3soldiern said: Fai said: If you seen Madoka you've seen a better version of NGE, with a main character that is bearable and ending that makes sense. with the third madoka movie being on same level of cashcow nonsense as the evangelion movie franchise few years ago Knew it was only a matter of time. I like to use NGE as a recommendation for hardcore mecha genre fans, as a way to troll them. Its intentional subversion of mecha tropes has a hilarious effect on them. Its good show(and good exploration of how author's/person's mind works in schizophrenic state/depression/etc), but I have long since given up trying to even imply anything in it made any sense. |
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| Many things made sense in NGE.The problem was how Shinji was treated by the series and author.The lack of actual development for anyone other than him(and he was going in circles so...).And then EoE came, which was fucked up for the sake of being fucked up. Gotta hand it to them tho.They created a ending where no matter what choice Shinji made , it would be the "right one", even though when it comes down to what he experienced,especially a few moments ago, his choice makes no sense whatsoever. |
| http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-866835/the-fate-series-explained-plz?pg=3#47853339 New gems. "Apocrypha, Prisma Illya, etc are non canon just as prototype because they do not focus on ideals from fsn and are just fanservice" |
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Fai said: How do you keep finding this stuff? Do you go out of your way to look for stupidity or something?http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-866835/the-fate-series-explained-plz?pg=3#47853339 New gems. "Apocrypha, Prisma Illya, etc are non canon just as prototype because they do not focus on ideals from fsn and are just fanservice" Also what about this: "Before you folks get too excited, please remember that Priya is really just fanfiction." -Hiroyama |
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AnarchicSloth said: Fai said: How do you keep finding this stuff? Do you go out of your way to look for stupidity or something?http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-866835/the-fate-series-explained-plz?pg=3#47853339 New gems. "Apocrypha, Prisma Illya, etc are non canon just as prototype because they do not focus on ideals from fsn and are just fanservice" Also what about this: "Before you folks get too excited, please remember that Priya is really just fanfiction." -Hiroyama Could be that its him on those forums himself. Kitanishi, I mean. That avatar is Fai from Tsubasa, and....Fai.....is a Tsubasa fan so yeah. Wait, Hiroyama said that? |
Insertanamehere said: AnarchicSloth said: How do you keep finding this stuff? Do you go out of your way to look for stupidity or something? Also what about this: "Before you folks get too excited, please remember that Priya is really just fanfiction." -Hiroyama Could be that its him on those forums himself. Kitanishi, I mean. That avatar is Fai from Tsubasa, and....Fai.....is a Tsubasa fan so yeah. Wait, Hiroyama said that? YEs and I explained it there: Also that translation has already been proven to not be exactly accurate and if you followed Hiroyama's Twitter for a while you would know to not take his tweets at face value - what he is implying is that he is just writing the story he wanted and its not intended to be a prequel or something to any other existing type moon work, since that question came from the speculation that |
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| Every time someone uses the "difference with FZ-FSN timeline" as an argument to prove that Prisma(especially Prisma) and Apocrypha are not canon, and then mention KnK and Tsukihime as canon(although I am sure that Tsukihime and FSN take place in the same timeline) someone somewhere kills a NekoArc. Really so what about Extra that is in a different timeline but is clearly stated as canon by Nasu? I,so far, in the 4 week of the game(both routes), HATE the story, but that doesnt invalidate its canonicity. |
| Though, does the Fate story take place in the same timeline as KNK or Tsukihime? Because I recall them mentioning in HF, though that only (to my knowledge) happens as a result of Kara no Kyoukai's events. And Cornelius Alba appears in F/Z. Not that that's impossible in the Tsukihime timeline, but still. And then I've also heard that Fate/Stay Night takes place near directly after the end of Tsukihime. It's a little confusing. |
| The background story of the chars is the same for most chars Touko gets her Sealing Designation before she meets Mikiya.She was already on the run. Likewise Cornelius is the same as in KnK.Well he probably stayed alive for more years in FZ's timeline for obvious reasons. KnK and Tsukihime are set in different timelines. Mahoyo is a branching point for Knk and Tsukihime Yes that is what Nasu said for FSN and Tsuki.. |
Insertanamehere said: Though, does the Fate story take place in the same timeline as KNK or Tsukihime? Because I recall them mentioning in HF, though that only (to my knowledge) happens as a result of Kara no Kyoukai's events. And Cornelius Alba appears in F/Z. Not that that's impossible in the Tsukihime timeline, but still. And then I've also heard that Fate/Stay Night takes place near directly after the end of Tsukihime. It's a little confusing. For all intents and purposes KnK events happens in separate worlds. Does not mean that FSN-Touko did not experience similar experiences. |
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| I'm surprised there's such a fuss about this "reveal". o_O The fact that this series is going to be based on UBW was pretty obvious from the get go. Have you guys ever checked their webpage? There's a freaking picture of Archer alongside Rin up close and a "thousand" swords. There's also Saber and Shirou, but they don't even draw much attention to the point I only realized they were there right now as I checked the picture again. Also if you check this pv at 2:08, there's no way you can be unsure of which route they picked even if you're the most dense guy in the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spseKv7jtmY#t=16 I guess those who are surprised didn't quite check the pvs or their main page. That aside... I'm super hyped about this series, especially the route choice. Now that I think about it though, Heaven's Feel could have been an amazing series as well because it's pretty dark, but both routes have their interesting twists and HF is getting a movie anyway. And I'm a sucker for Rin, so... >.< |
| Yeah, I've just noticed. I saw the updated title of the series and then this thread, which I hadn't noticed before. For some reason, I thought it was posted yesterday, but maybe I was checking another thread or something I thought it was this one. :P |
FlameseeK said: Hahaha sorry but this just made my day :pI'm surprised there's such a fuss about this "reveal". o_O The fact that this series is going to be based on UBW was pretty obvious from the get go. Have you guys ever checked their webpage? There's a freaking picture of Archer alongside Rin up close and a "thousand" swords. There's also Saber and Shirou, but they don't even draw much attention to the point I only realized they were there right now as I checked the picture again. Also if you check this pv at 2:08, there's no way you can be unsure of which route they picked even if you're the most dense guy in the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spseKv7jtmY#t=16 I guess those who are surprised didn't quite check the pvs or their main page. That aside... I'm super hyped about this series, especially the route choice. Now that I think about it though, Heaven's Feel could have been an amazing series as well because it's pretty dark, but both routes have their interesting twists and HF is getting a movie anyway. And I'm a sucker for Rin, so... >.< |
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Botato said: FlameseeK said: Hahaha sorry but this just made my day :pI'm surprised there's such a fuss about this "reveal". o_O The fact that this series is going to be based on UBW was pretty obvious from the get go. Have you guys ever checked their webpage? There's a freaking picture of Archer alongside Rin up close and a "thousand" swords. There's also Saber and Shirou, but they don't even draw much attention to the point I only realized they were there right now as I checked the picture again. Also if you check this pv at 2:08, there's no way you can be unsure of which route they picked even if you're the most dense guy in the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spseKv7jtmY#t=16 I guess those who are surprised didn't quite check the pvs or their main page. That aside... I'm super hyped about this series, especially the route choice. Now that I think about it though, Heaven's Feel could have been an amazing series as well because it's pretty dark, but both routes have their interesting twists and HF is getting a movie anyway. And I'm a sucker for Rin, so... >.< hashtag shame on me :C (I could've sworn I read "yesterday" on the first page though lol) |
FlameseeK said: And I'm a sucker for Rin, so... >.< Sorry for being a broken record, but if you truly are a sucker for Rin then Heaven's Feel is the route you should want imo. |
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insan3soldiern said: FlameseeK said: And I'm a sucker for Rin, so... >.< Sorry for being a broken record, but if you truly are a sucker for Rin then Heaven's Feel is the route you should want imo. Say what? I don't follow your logic. |
| Fate = Saber route UBW = Archer route HF = Ilya + Rin route |
dialectixchaos said: Fate = Saber route UBW = Archer route HF = Ilya + Rin route This is nonsense. Fate = Rin as teacher route UBW = Rin love interest route HF = Rin ally/friendship route. seriously UBW is just as much about Rin as is HF, simply both routes explore two different relationships important to Rin - one with Shirou and one with Sakura |
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| Fate / hollow ataraxia PV for Playstation VITA http://youtu.be/XKvt-FAObBU Wonder if this will ever get an anime adaptation... |
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| UBW = yaoi route confirmed? (lol) |
Stark700 said: Fate / hollow ataraxia PV for Playstation VITA http://youtu.be/XKvt-FAObBU Wonder if this will ever get an anime adaptation... Had ufotable NOT decided to adapt multiple routes, I would say no. Now? I am most certainly sure they will adapt it right after they finish with FSN. I wanna see the vn op made by ufotable already |
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| What if Ufotable decided to adapt Mahoyo next instead? |
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JabonHR said: What if Ufotable decided to adapt Mahoyo next instead? Or God Eater? |
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JabonHR said: ive been wanting to read that for a while is it good?What if Ufotable decided to adapt Mahoyo next instead? |
| Dat Ufotable Bazett. Since they used so much english in the PV ,cant they just release an english version as well? JabonHR said: Isn't Mahoyo supposed to be a 3-part story?What if Ufotable decided to adapt Mahoyo next instead? |
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