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| So, instead of voting for the (ex-)President's logical and decent plan, they vote for Shoko's YOLO (literally) bat shit insane one? I hope they realize that when Dorussia murders half the school that they dug their own grave. I just hope the (few) characters I like survive. |
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| This glorification of rape culture makes me sick. I thought this was a good Christian anime with proper values, not a hedonistic smut show that promotes premarital sex. |
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JeffxBrian said: ok now u ether not trying to see the facts or not really understand woman soft side but whatever i guess to each his own but i stand my ground this is not a rapeAgain..people are twisting it to sex. Read what I said last. She gave up but she did not in anyway consent to it. She just gave up. Read what I last said. Saki's personality is one of sly. She'd be smiling and taking pics if she had been happy about it or accepting. Her tone and expression looks like a rape victims. Haruto has no idea what happened. He did not experience it. He might be in shock but the feelings of being violated are different. He is not the victim. He's just the "omg I am a monster" guy. Mod edit: spoiler tagged quote chain |
koleareJun 14, 2013 8:51 AM
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
Parasol-Lady said: I mean she knows how "soft" Haruto can be I dunno about that |
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AlexTheRiot said: squidsquid said: Haruto was obviously trying to have sex with L-Elf last episode. ...it was only a matter of time. and when that happens...we all saw it coming. *no pun intended* |
| IF YOU DON’T SHIP MY OTP, I SWEAR TO GOD I’ll be okay with that. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE STUFF THAT I LIKE, I’M GONNA respect the fact that you have your own taste. |
JeffreyZin said: JeffxBrian said: Haruto was not raped. He did not experience it thus he is irrelevant. His body raped her. He was not there. His mind would still be stable. He just might be thinking "Wtf happened" or "I'm a monster." But he won't be in a delirious state like he got raped. Hm... I thought so. I disagree. I'm no expert in the subject, but I think what happened to Haruto could be compared to someone taking advantage of an unconscious person. Even if he doesn't remember it happening, he was still raped too. |
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| and also why u all trying to make it sounds like haruto have s e x with shoko=true love haruto have s e x with saki-rape u all forgot about polygamy just have them both^^ |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
Kezone said: JeffreyZin said: JeffxBrian said: Haruto was not raped. He did not experience it thus he is irrelevant. His body raped her. He was not there. His mind would still be stable. He just might be thinking "Wtf happened" or "I'm a monster." But he won't be in a delirious state like he got raped. Hm... I thought so. I disagree. I'm no expert in the subject, but I think what happened to Haruto could be compared to someone taking advantage of an unconscious person. Even if he doesn't remember it happening, he was still raped too. Yes both of them were raped. Mind not being there STILL constitutes as being unable to say no, and that STILL constitutes as rape. |
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AshtonClaude said: I hope haruto will rape others girl, for example that blonde girl, he almost raped her in the elevator, but maybe next time he will rape her for real, come on give us more r**e scenes Hide ya kids hide ya wives he gon' find ya |
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JeffreyZin said: I wonder what happened to Kriem? Is she breaks (who?) office? What is exactly H-neun doing there? I think both of them are suspecting Cain's involvement with the Valvrave projects. I mean, It's pretty spot on the Kreim is suspecting him about it. H-neun though... |
| IF YOU DON’T SHIP MY OTP, I SWEAR TO GOD I’ll be okay with that. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE STUFF THAT I LIKE, I’M GONNA respect the fact that you have your own taste. |
AlexTheRiot said: AshtonClaude said: I hope haruto will rape others girl, for example that blonde girl, he almost raped her in the elevator, but maybe next time he will rape her for real, come on give us more r**e scenes Hide ya kids hide ya wives he gon' find ya uhhh, it's going to be like School Days...WITH MECHA! |
| IF YOU DON’T SHIP MY OTP, I SWEAR TO GOD I’ll be okay with that. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE STUFF THAT I LIKE, I’M GONNA respect the fact that you have your own taste. |
| Come on, it wasn't rape, she offered her body to him seconds before he did it. Sure, her words weren't "impregnate me", but she did tell him to take her body. And when he was focusing on her breasts, she had both of her arms free; if she really didn't want it at the time, she could of easily struck him, and we all know one strike is all it takes to turn him back. Sure, she most likely regretted it at the end, but it was fine at the start. |
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JeffxBrian said: You obviously are pro-rape. LOL nice, just go straight for it |
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JeffxBrian said: randomperson2229 said: Everyone saying that Saki won, she didn't. Haruto would have raped whoever he was standing near when he had that attack and got possessed, he literally wasn't in control of his body. This is just another ridiculous plot contrivance to get in the way between Haruto and Shouko because they were getting closer and didn't have a lot of conflict. I don't think he's going to choose Saki merely because of this, but that he'll shut himself out from everyone out of guilt, and Saki will milk it for all it's worth because she's a selfish bitch. At least she finally learned that there are consequences to becoming an "all powerful immortal vampire!" I do prefer Shouko, but she's still an idiot. It will get in the way of Haruto and Shouko. But it also might repel Saki from getting with Haruto. Or make her the submissive servant in order to keep him safe and happy. Remember if he had raped anyone else, he would be fucked and the secret will be out. She's not a selfish bitch. She wants what she wants. We don't know if Saki will accept that it was the curse that forced him which makes it more reasonable. She might either be scared but she will be a little out of it for a while. Its more than likely they will end up bonding over this, considering essentially they both were victims of what was done to them in this case. Its very likely that both of them are currently in VERY emotionally fragile states. Also - notice how the Shoko encounter was handled with her just finding Saki and Haruto randomly standing in the middle of containers? who wants to bet that she will misinterpret that scene somehow once the whole valvrape thing gets out of the bag? As in "oh they have been in on it behind my back this whole time". kirby_422 said: Come on, it wasn't rape, she offered her body to him seconds before he did it. Sure, her words weren't "impregnate me", but she did tell him to take her body. And when he was focusing on her breasts, she had both of her arms free; if she really didn't want it at the time, she could of easily struck him, and we all know one strike is all it takes to turn him back. Sure, she most likely regretted it at the end, but it was fine at the start. Rape is not limited to physical restrictions or usage of physical force. In this case it does constitute as Saki being under BOTH physical force AND duress. Its still rape. |
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JeffxBrian said: dude shes a virgin when that part break its suppose to be hurting like alot thus the cry and the resistanceOpinions don't matter here. If we talk facts. This still constitutes rape even if she agreed to it. When he inserted it, she was resisting and even cried a little. Watch the scene again. Mod edit: spoiler tagged quote chain |
koleareJun 14, 2013 8:47 AM
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
| it would be really nice if you guys starting snipping quotes |
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| It would be really nice if people would stop responding to Shikiwhatever and would instead start to report him for what is clearly offensive and highly triggering post content. |
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Fai said: It would be really nice if people would stop responding to Shikiwhatever and would instead start to report him for what is clearly offensive and highly triggering post content. Yeah, he is pro rape after all |
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Fai said: so now opinions are offensive?It would be really nice if people would stop responding to Shikiwhatever and would instead start to report him for what is clearly offensive and highly triggering post content. |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
| I think opinions have always been offensive on here |
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AlexTheRiot said: im not pro rape correct that u never make valid opinion don't just meddle inFai said: It would be really nice if people would stop responding to Shikiwhatever and would instead start to report him for what is clearly offensive and highly triggering post content. Yeah, he is pro rape after all |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
| Man, this show is all about torturing poor Shoko. Father dead, boy she loves first rejects her, then is about to accept her, then rapes the competition when she finally decides to confess her love. What next - she'll get blinded and horribly burned and paralyzed? STOP TREATING BEST GIRL LIKE THIS GOD DAMMIT!!! |
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AlexTheRiot said: what is this discussion right? i make opinion u all bash me like im the bad guyXDI think opinions have always been offensive on here |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
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ShikiAshGrave said: AlexTheRiot said: what is this discussion right? i make opinion u all bash me like im the bad guyXDI think opinions have always been offensive on here lol don't you be friendly with me after you said i never make valid opinions. Oh and I don't think you're pro rape, I was being pretty sarcastic there. |
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JeffxBrian said: She accept it because she likes haruto therefore consented thus not rapeShikiAshGrave said: AlexTheRiot said: im not pro rape correct that u never make valid opinion don't just meddle inFai said: It would be really nice if people would stop responding to Shikiwhatever and would instead start to report him for what is clearly offensive and highly triggering post content. Yeah, he is pro rape after all What support do you have that she wanted to have sex? Liking someone is different than being in a relationship with them and it happening naturally. Or even one night stands require both parties being into it. The fact there is more evidence pointing to rape and little to no saying it wasn't rape. What does that mean?GASP |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
Fai said: Episode 11 preview pics: For a while there I thought it's going to be Marie x L-Elf. Yeah, I don't know where that came from either... |
| IF YOU DON’T SHIP MY OTP, I SWEAR TO GOD I’ll be okay with that. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE STUFF THAT I LIKE, I’M GONNA respect the fact that you have your own taste. |
Fai said: Episode 11 preview pics: My predictions are accurate? xD Cause they are opposites and it would make sense. And I did see some catatonic response from Saki. And Haruto never handles situations well. He goes calling himself a monster. |
AlexTheRiot said: ok stating facts are offensive now? i was busy discussing with jeff and a few post later qut of nowhereu said i was pro rape we discussing the EP now not who pro rape whos not?irelevantShikiAshGrave said: AlexTheRiot said: what is this discussion right? i make opinion u all bash me like im the bad guyXDI think opinions have always been offensive on here lol don't you be friendly with me after you said i never make valid opinions. Oh and I don't think you're pro rape, I was being pretty sarcastic there. |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
ShikiAshGrave said: dude I just said I was being sarcastic there, do you not read the things you quote?AlexTheRiot said: ok stating facts are offensive now? i was busy discussing with jeff and a few post later qut of nowhereu said i was pro rape we discussing the EP now not who pro rape whos not?irelevantShikiAshGrave said: AlexTheRiot said: what is this discussion right? i make opinion u all bash me like im the bad guyXDI think opinions have always been offensive on here lol don't you be friendly with me after you said i never make valid opinions. Oh and I don't think you're pro rape, I was being pretty sarcastic there. |
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| And Haruto's episodes finally screw him over. But, we already know he and Saki move past that, *Episode 8's little time-skip* Point: she opens up that locket and says that even after 200 years, a promise is still a promise, while smiling and in a happy tone of voice Theory: the promise is the one she gave in this episode, where she promises to kill him if he ever goes completely out of control. she basically promised to be by his side forever As a side note, it seems Shouko chooses now to tell Haruto she loves him, now that its to late. |
JeffxBrian said: ok now u got me thinking there is too much factor to add in next EP should prove which one of us is correct but this enjoyable discussion^^ although u stand as my opponent u make relevant opinions^^Again..just because she accepted it afterwards does not mean it was not rape. She did in no way consent. She simply gave up. There's a difference. Consent and giving up. She did not agree to have sex. She simply gave up and let it happen. Liking someone is different than wanting to have sex with them. That's rushed. They're in high school. She's a virgin most likely. She's not just going to give it up right away especially without a relationship. I want you to think long and hard. Did she give up? Or did she agree to have sex? Mod edit: spoiler tagged quote chain |
koleareJun 14, 2013 8:39 AM
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
McRib said: Ok, since when has anime ever been associated with Christianity. the majority of Japanese people are not Christian (to my knowledge, correct me if i'm wrong). Anime has a huge sexual connotation and has to be taken as a part of what makes anime anime.This glorification of rape culture makes me sick. I thought this was a good Christian anime with proper values, not a hedonistic smut show that promotes premarital sex. Now to the topic at hand: Can someone please explain to me how Haruto devolved from bloodlust to savage rape? I don't get why they put that in there and i will agree with Hybridbloods that this use of rape was really tasteless and contrived. this was a really extreme way of creating conflict between Haruto and Shoko. It also had a lot to do with shock value as he said also. However, to the credit of the writers, it did create a lot of suspense for the next episode. it made Haruto seem more animalistic like the Valvrave is taking over, and moves the plot in that direction. I admit, i am counting the seconds to the next episode, but they did go about creating suspense in a less than tasteful manner. But again, I felt a HUGE amount of suspense and thought it was a great cliffhanger. Still one of the best episodes yet, and i can't wait til next week's episode. btw: Who else is disappointed that this only a 12 episode season? |
| VVV-tan is very playful with her lipstick on. btw, kudos for the translation again, it rhymes. Spoiler for big image |
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ThangLong said: she look cuter without makeup^^VVV-tan is very playful with her lipstick on. btw, kudos for the translation again, it rhymes. Spoiler for big image |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
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