Neon Genesis Evangelion - The End of Evangelion Episode 1 Discussion

AtomBlast said:
This was much better than anime's original ending, however there were STILL unanswered questions. That's why I'm not going to give a 10. Although it was pretty much impossible, I wanted this to have a happy ending because anime's second part was incredibly depressive and tragic. Everything was going wrong and falling apart, Evangelion series is very, very sad...

DEMOLITION_D said:
The End of Evangelion discussion thread: 5 pages

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And this is the world that we live in.

Boba_Fett said:


The first fight with Asuka and the new eve's was quite impressive but I was quite confused about a couple facts, like why Asuka actually got hurt her self while her eve was being slaughtered "first with her eye but than with her arm being sliced in two" what was up with that, that never happened in the series?

TiamatNM said:

It's like they decided to change the rules for the movie so that the pilots get physically injured. If it was like that in the TV series Asuka would be missing both arms by now. I also don't get why she was bandaged up at the very end. Who did that? I doubt bandages are going to help that much when your whole arm is split in half? It would make more sense if she wasn't even injured at all at the end.

ThreePercent said:
What the hell was that.
If anything, it left as much closure to the series as much as the original last two episodes.

It was sort of entertaining, though.

NoobHunterD said:
This how the tv series should how ended. The first half was the action and brutality that we were looking for. The second half if another philosophical ending that is confusing to follow. sometimes messages are more effective to be conveyed straight forwarded, evangelion loves how to restate lines over and over and over again! I get it already.

FAP FAP FAP FAP out of 10.

Reubenguy said:

http://www.animeyume.com/evangelion/evaending.html which links off to this FAQ site http://www.evaotaku.com/html/evafaq.html. I find the second link the most important - it took me about an hour but it was worth it to find my understanding of everything.

symbv said:
Wow, this FAQ is still doing the rounds and making contribution... Unbelievable... This just brought back vivid memories as I wrote it (as part of the team) 14 years ago.

xtremexx said:
what the f**k? i dont even... huh? what? what did i just watch?

wait...so at the end, is everyone dead except from shinji and asuka.

freyakoala said:
For some reason, the end of the anime really depressed me xD I let unsatisfied and even though Shinji was happy I felt like everyone was fooling themselves :/ I couldn't even sleep the night that I watched it!
On the other hand, the movie gave me closure for the series...some might argue that it was a bleaker conclusion, but I liked the act that this time we were faced with the truth.
Obviously due to my empathy for the characters, half of me wished for a perfect happy ending (especially for poor Shinji and Misato!) but I guess this ending was satisfying.
I thought the tone at the end was pretty optimistic..it was said that it is possible to revert back to your human form with enoughg willpower so I guess things were rugged but hopeful.
Also, although I didn't ship Asuka with Shinji in the anime, I was pleased to see them together in the end...Rei is basically Shinji's mum, and Kaworu only knew Shinji for about two days (although I know it was a string bond they had, I still think the Asuka/Shinji relationship worked better in the end).

Other thoughts:
I wasn't really that grossed out by the Shinji masturbation scene xD
Misato and Shinji's final scene was a total heart breaker! I have a Misato bias..
I thought the Maya/Ritsuko thing was really sad but sweet.

dzejkobz said:

Maybe I will rewatch this, maybe I will watch movies that is coming out recently. At the moment I want just forget about this.

Tennouji_ said:
This isn't really sink me in. I don't know if I'm going to rate this a 7 or 8... but I guess the former.

Also, the finale really confused me. Okay, Asuka 'survives' and there's Shinji but will they have a purpose so that's why they're the only 2 who survive? And I still don't get it why Shinji wanted to kill Asuka.

For heavens sake, can someone explain the finale(The last few minutes) to me?

DEMOLITION_D said:

MAL doesn't demand a rating from you. Watch it again. Don't sully EoE's rating any further because you didn't understand what happened.

Tennouji_ said:

Also, the finale really confused me. Okay, Asuka 'survives' and there's Shinji but will they have a purpose so that's why they're the only 2 who survive? And I still don't get it why Shinji wanted to kill Asuka.

For heavens sake, can someone explain the finale(The last few minutes) to me?

DEMOLITION_D said:
You openly admit to "not getting" something yet you have the confidence to give it a proper rating?

ronri said:


Human Instrumentality almost occurred, but because of Shinji being locked inside Unit-01, he had a say in how it would be run. Combine the fact that Rei and Kaworu, essentially Lillith and Adam at this point, had a deep connection to Shinji, and this gave Shinji a bigger chance to to have a say in things.

After some heavy reflection, mind-screw, and an argument with the Asuka in his mind, Shinji decided to reject Instrumentality. In doing so, he freed himself while preventing the rest of humanity from combining into one collective being. Asuka seemed to have survived as well, whether or not it's because of her own survival instinct or because Shinji wished for her return is somewhat ambiguous (though both explanation seem plausible).

In the end, all of humanity had been reduced into LCL, thus leaving Shinji and Asuka as the only remaining human life on Earth. Still, Yui said that anyone who had the will could actually pull themselves out from the LCL so it's not entirely a bleak ending so to speak as it gives the prospect that some people can actually return back to normal just as Shinji and Asuka did.

Shinji nearly choked Asuka to death as a way to re-affirm his existence, in order to determine if what he was seeing were real or not, especially given the mind-screw he had just experienced. With Asuka's comforting touch, Shinji realized he's back on Earth and breaks down into tears from the whole experience. At the same time, Asuka's spunky attitude had returned, with her normal self finally back.

While it certainly seems very mind-screwy, it was actually a very optimistic ending with a bit of hope attached to it. Kaworu and Rei find peace in their self-realization and transformation as Adam and Lillith; with both confronting and comforting Shinji for the final time. Despite her initial death, Asuka re-discovered her love for her mother, while maintaining her will to survive. Finally, Shinji learns to accept himself and the life he has despite all the pain and suffering he's been through.

rpn101 said:
wtf just happened, legit very interesting though o-o

Mixxu said:
Well what I have to say this movie. My mind is having too confusing time watching this and rebirth at same day. Not cool O_O

What I could understand from the movie. This was alternative way going than showing what happened in Shinji's mind like we saw in Tv-series last 2 episodes.

First, they made a lot of changes. Part I was like suddenly what happened after Kaworu had passed away and Asuka was in mental sick in that time. It's direct continuation from Tv-series, or Rebirth movie. So SEELE got to use their EVA army and try to destroy NERV with it, and capture Unit 01. Kind of weird they didn't got EVA series ready in Tv-series. They were planning and building these machines.

Not sure was "Second Impact" result by Lilith and ADAM fighting over. Or was it because Katsuragi experiment got wrong and ADAM's lance was throw off and that result in accident.

Misato dying and Ritsuko dying was really dramatic changes they made for the movie. This must been why Anno got so many people hate the movie. Also this was probably more gory than TV-series. Especially with EVA series smashing Asuka's Unit 02 and eating it. That was disgusting to watch.

Animation was a lot better than in TV-series and Rebirth.

Part II, I didn't so much understand, than Rei fused with Lilith and she went to scare people and popping them in orange juice. WTF?! O_O But what really was Intsrumentality project no idea. Maybe showing Shinji how world works?

so Lilith and ADAM both passed away I guess... I understood choking part that Shinji was trying to strangle Asuka by showing her that she is same than him and they both has same things to relate to. The end was really weird that they were in LCD and only Asuka and Shinji were in human form. And when Asuka says "This is disgusting" she could mean position she was in, or movie events that happened.

Still, with symbols it makes it one of the movie masterpieces.

I would give it 4/5 so overall 9

hyperknees91 said:
I'm still kind of confused why people hate 25/26 so much. Did they miss the point of Evangelion or something?

I like this movie too but I'm just not sure why people will defend it despite it's crazyness and not defend the TV ending.

hyperknees91 said:
I'm still kind of confused why people hate 25/26 so much. Did they miss the point of Evangelion or something?

Venom900 said:
I could give you insight on why the TV series ending isn't defended well...mostly because when you finish it, you get a wtf kind of a moment. What was all of that supposed to mean? Why did it suddenly cut to something that is totally different from what happened before? After having finished this movie, I think what was done in the last 2 episodes was needed, but I think they dragged it out for far too long, it wasn't something that in my mind needed two whole episodes to explore and show. One key word sums it well: Presentation. The presentation of the final 2 episodes made no sense unless you saw the movie portion.

Also I don't think it was just Shinji's mind being explored, I think it was all 4 main characters inner workings being explored. This is something I think should have been done earlier on in the series, I like some others felt that it was put off too long, you hardly knew much about the characters pasts until the last 5 episodes. Even then, Shinji still has the problem he's had since the first episode...which in my mind...I think that dragged out for too long. The other 3 also, have no clue what their purpose for living is. It's because of this that the TV series, and really the movie couldn't give a definitive ending because it had too much else to explain and show first.

hyperknees91 said:


Well I always thought after Shinji killed Kaworu his mind snapped, hence the change in presentation. Asuka mind was already broken and Misato was always psychologically unstable. Exploring their minds wasn't really thing that out of place because this series has always been about the psychology of the characters over the actual story.

hyperknees91 said:

Now on the dragging out stuff, I can somewhat agree. The budget and the need to have 26 episodes was probably part of the problem. Evangelion probably only had the script for 20 episodes quite honestly.

Venom900 said:
^Doesn't change a thing.