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@CosmicDebris-San
Without specific empirical data that is debatable. If one adjusted for inflation the Anime industry back in the 90s and early 2000s probably was making just as much profit as it is today if not the gain today would only be minimal at best. The Anime industry is likely only perceived as huge today only in nominal terms. Due to its perceived broader global audience and diversified revenue streams. One could only imagine how much profit the industry could be making today if consumers would have kept up with the consuming habits from the 90s and early 2000s and how much better the industry would likely be without online piracy. I personally think the industry would be better in terms of quality, even if it's not HUGE.
Without specific empirical data that is debatable. If one adjusted for inflation the Anime industry back in the 90s and early 2000s probably was making just as much profit as it is today if not the gain today would only be minimal at best. The Anime industry is likely only perceived as huge today only in nominal terms. Due to its perceived broader global audience and diversified revenue streams. One could only imagine how much profit the industry could be making today if consumers would have kept up with the consuming habits from the 90s and early 2000s and how much better the industry would likely be without online piracy. I personally think the industry would be better in terms of quality, even if it's not HUGE.
| @ColourWheel "The global market for Japanese anime expanded 13% to an all-time high of 2.74 trillion yen ($20 billion at current rates) last year, thanks to streaming platforms like Netflix and fans eager to spend on merchandise for franchises like Pokemon and "Demon Slayer." https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Media-Entertainment/Streaming-boom-lifts-Japan-anime-market-to-record-20bn  When we compare 2005 to 2024 what we see is that 100 yen in 2005 is equivalent to 90.86 yen in 2024.Piracy was still niche and limited in 2005. In 2005 the industry's profit was 260billion yen, now it's 2.74 trillion yen, which is 2.466 trillion yen in 2005 yen. It's not even close. www.worlddata.info/asia/japan/inflation-rates.php ColourWheel said: One could only imagine how much profit the industry could be making today if consumers would have kept up with the consuming habits from the 90s and early 2000s and how much better the industry would likely be without online piracy. There would be far few customers paying because anime wouldn't have had the chance to been as widely seen. Think of it this way, you have two games. 1. Someone eats your cake and rolls a dice, on a 1 they buy the cake they ate. 2. Someone watches your anime and rolls a dice, on a 1 they buy the anime they watched or something equivalent, like some sort of merch. In game 1 when they roll anything but a one you now have to make a new cake to play again and use more ingredients, and get nothing back for the first cake you made. In game 2 when they roll anything but a one the exact same anime can be used for the next game and you lose nothing. The piracy=theft people think that game 2 works like game 1, hence the confusion. |
CosmicDebris-SanMar 23, 2024 4:48 AM
WesternSiren said: Having Odd Taxi on favs is crazy...Don't assume I'm an anime fan or care about the industry TsutanaiFuun said: Buying manga only supports the author and the publisher, not the people who made the anime. if you really want to support the creators just buy physical manga. Falcon07 said: The anime you watch only exists because someone is paying for it, either by buying blu-rays or watching legally on streaming/TV.Do you guys pay for watching anime lol Making fun of the people who fund the stuff you like is actually crazy... |
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@ColourWheel
"The global market for Japanese anime expanded 13% to an all-time high of 2.74 trillion yen ($20 billion at current rates) last year, thanks to streaming platforms like Netflix and fans eager to spend on merchandise for franchises like Pokemon and "Demon Slayer."
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Media-Entertainment/Streaming-boom-lifts-Japan-anime-market-to-record-20bn
When we compare 2005 to 2024 what we see is that 100 yen in 2005 is equivalent to 90.86 yen in 2024.Piracy was still niche and limited in 2005. In 2005 the industry's profit was 260billion yen, now it's 2.74 trillion yen, which is 2.466 trillion yen in 2005 yen. It's not even close.
www.worlddata.info/asia/japan/inflation-rates.php
There would be far few customers paying because anime wouldn't have had the chance to been as widely seen.
Think of it this way, you have two games.
1. Someone eats your cake and rolls a dice, on a 1 they buy the cake they ate.
2. Someone watches your anime and rolls a dice, on a 1 they buy the anime they watched or something equivalent, like some sort of merch.
In game 1 when they roll anything but a one you now have to make a new cake to play again and use more ingredients, and get nothing back for the first cake you made.
In game 2 when they roll anything but a one the exact same anime can be used for the next game and you lose nothing.
The piracy=theft people think that game 2 works like game 1, hence the confusion.
"The global market for Japanese anime expanded 13% to an all-time high of 2.74 trillion yen ($20 billion at current rates) last year, thanks to streaming platforms like Netflix and fans eager to spend on merchandise for franchises like Pokemon and "Demon Slayer."
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Media-Entertainment/Streaming-boom-lifts-Japan-anime-market-to-record-20bn
When we compare 2005 to 2024 what we see is that 100 yen in 2005 is equivalent to 90.86 yen in 2024.Piracy was still niche and limited in 2005. In 2005 the industry's profit was 260billion yen, now it's 2.74 trillion yen, which is 2.466 trillion yen in 2005 yen. It's not even close.
www.worlddata.info/asia/japan/inflation-rates.php
ColourWheel said:
One could only imagine how much profit the industry could be making today if consumers would have kept up with the consuming habits from the 90s and early 2000s and how much better the industry would likely be without online piracy.
One could only imagine how much profit the industry could be making today if consumers would have kept up with the consuming habits from the 90s and early 2000s and how much better the industry would likely be without online piracy.
There would be far few customers paying because anime wouldn't have had the chance to been as widely seen.
Think of it this way, you have two games.
1. Someone eats your cake and rolls a dice, on a 1 they buy the cake they ate.
2. Someone watches your anime and rolls a dice, on a 1 they buy the anime they watched or something equivalent, like some sort of merch.
In game 1 when they roll anything but a one you now have to make a new cake to play again and use more ingredients, and get nothing back for the first cake you made.
In game 2 when they roll anything but a one the exact same anime can be used for the next game and you lose nothing.
The piracy=theft people think that game 2 works like game 1, hence the confusion.
CosmicDebris-San said: When we compare 2005 to 2024 what we see is that 100 yen in 2005 is equivalent to 90.86 yen in 2024.Piracy was still niche and limited in 2005. In 2005 the industry's profit was 260billion yen, now it's 2.74 trillion yen, which is 2.466 trillion yen in 2005 yen. It's not even close. This would be under the assumption there would be absolutely no consumer growth from 2005 to 2024. The difference of 274 billion Yen difference could have easily exceeded well over 2.74 trillion yen if you calculated even the minimal theoretical growth of consumers each year. While you did the historical math I still do not agree with your opinion. I personally still think the industry would be better in terms of quality if consumers world wide would have kept up with the consuming habits from the 90s and early 2000s, despite if Anime wouldn't be as huge as it is today. Anime is only seen as niche through the perceived lens of what it is today when in reality Anime has been popular and even wide spread before a Network like Cartoon Network started platforming decade old Anime in the West. |
ColourWheelMar 23, 2024 9:22 AM
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Reply to MadanielFL
WesternSiren said:
Don't assume I'm an anime fan or care about the industry
Having Odd Taxi on favs is crazy...Don't assume I'm an anime fan or care about the industry
TsutanaiFuun said:
if you really want to support the creators just buy physical manga.
Buying manga only supports the author and the publisher, not the people who made the anime. if you really want to support the creators just buy physical manga.
Falcon07 said:
Do you guys pay for watching anime lol
The anime you watch only exists because someone is paying for it, either by buying blu-rays or watching legally on streaming/TV.Do you guys pay for watching anime lol
Making fun of the people who fund the stuff you like is actually crazy...
MadanielFL said: yea i added more to that in my newer reply.Buying manga only supports the author and the publisher, not the people who made the anime. TsutanaiFuun said: and yeah i forgot to add buying BD disks, other official merchs too as merch sales directly benefit the studios and other people involved. watching official streams are more profitable for the streaming website afaik. and don't forget if the anime is well made people will directly hop to read the manga (which is many times the goal) and creator gets profit. |
 The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
| Always remember If buying anime doesn't mean you own it then piracy isn't stealing. Crunchyroll justified this a few months ago after refusing to give people there digital purchases they got on Funimation and instead told them to buy it again on Crunchyroll. |
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TsutanaiFuun said: Buying blu-rays and merch is the same as watching legally, the money doesn't necessarily mean it's going to the studios, only the producers see those profits, and the studio is not always a producer. and yeah i forgot to add buying BD disks, other official merchs too as merch sales directly benefit the studios and other people involved. watching official streams are more profitable for the streaming website afaik. and don't forget if the anime is well made people will directly hop to read the manga (which is many times the goal) and creator gets profit. Also, buying blu-rays literally means you are "paying to watch anime", and according to anime pirates that's stupid because you are paying for something that you can watch for free. And some people will say that blu-rays are too expensive and not worth it. So make up your minds, are you suppose to buy blu-rays or not? I feel like most anime pirates never actually do what they preach, and most never buy blu-rays... GrimAtrament said: That's not true, you can't "buy it again" because they don't offer digital purchases. and instead told them to buy it again on Crunchyroll. Also those digital copies were literally included with the blu-ray, so you still have access to it. |
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TsutanaiFuun said:
and yeah i forgot to add buying BD disks, other official merchs too as merch sales directly benefit the studios and other people involved. watching official streams are more profitable for the streaming website afaik. and don't forget if the anime is well made people will directly hop to read the manga (which is many times the goal) and creator gets profit.
Buying blu-rays and merch is the same as watching legally, the money doesn't necessarily mean it's going to the studios, only the producers see those profits, and the studio is not always a producer. and yeah i forgot to add buying BD disks, other official merchs too as merch sales directly benefit the studios and other people involved. watching official streams are more profitable for the streaming website afaik. and don't forget if the anime is well made people will directly hop to read the manga (which is many times the goal) and creator gets profit.
Also, buying blu-rays literally means you are "paying to watch anime", and according to anime pirates that's stupid because you are paying for something that you can watch for free.
And some people will say that blu-rays are too expensive and not worth it.
So make up your minds, are you suppose to buy blu-rays or not? I feel like most anime pirates never actually do what they preach, and most never buy blu-rays...
GrimAtrament said:
and instead told them to buy it again on Crunchyroll.
That's not true, you can't "buy it again" because they don't offer digital purchases. and instead told them to buy it again on Crunchyroll.
Also those digital copies were literally included with the blu-ray, so you still have access to it.
| @MadanielFL blurays indeed are expensive and one cannot buy BDs of all animes. even i can't afford BDs right now but when i can i'm planning to buy BDs of only animes that i really love. basically my top 20 favs. even in pirates some exist who care about supporting the creators in some way, i'm one of them. i can't afford BDs so i buy physical mangas of the animes i love and even that i do rarely. |
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TsutanaiFuun said: Most anime pirates don't buy blu-rays, but they love to say you should do it instead of paying for a subscription because they wanna look respectable. even in pirates some exist who care about supporting the creators in some way, i'm one of them. i can't afford BDs so i buy physical mangas of the animes i love and even that i do rarely. But the truth is that most simply don't wanna pay to watch something that they can get it for free, but since that makes them look bad, they will make excuses like saying piracy is a "service problem" when in reality it's really a pricing problem and people wouldn't pay for anime even if the service was perfect, because they can simply get it for free, this whole thing of "buy merch instead" is just an excuse, since the majority never actually does that. |
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TsutanaiFuun said:
even in pirates some exist who care about supporting the creators in some way, i'm one of them. i can't afford BDs so i buy physical mangas of the animes i love and even that i do rarely.
Most anime pirates don't buy blu-rays, but they love to say you should do it instead of paying for a subscription because they wanna look respectable. even in pirates some exist who care about supporting the creators in some way, i'm one of them. i can't afford BDs so i buy physical mangas of the animes i love and even that i do rarely.
But the truth is that most simply don't wanna pay to watch something that they can get it for free, but since that makes them look bad, they will make excuses like saying piracy is a "service problem" when in reality it's really a pricing problem and people wouldn't pay for anime even if the service was perfect, because they can simply get it for free, this whole thing of "buy merch instead" is just an excuse, since the majority never actually does that.
| @MadanielFL true that. anime is readily, easily and freely available so of course you can't expect otherwise. also only people who work can afford to buy BDs and official merch and as majority of anime viewers are school children you cannot expect them to buy those things or even pay subscription fees. yea a perfect platform exists already and for free so it wouldn't even cross someone's mind to pay to watch animes. MadanielFL said: yea majority doesn't do that but well we can't really force anyone. something's free, why would they want to go out of their way to pay for that? people who do buy BDs and merch do it out of love for the series and the supporting the industry is just an added bonus. i mean i wouldn't go buying merch and BDs of all the animes i ever watch, only the ones that really stood out from the rest.his whole thing of "buy merch instead" is just an excuse, since the majority never actually does that. |
The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
| >"Sorry, due to licensing limitations, videos are unavailable in your region" >Forced to buy a 3-month VPN service >VPN ultimately ruins your Wi-Fi speed and constantly buffers Crunchyroll maybe the VPN can be put to use for Torrenting where the quality is even better |
| Piracy is fine. Especially because there are a lot of anime fans from some devenloped countries who has a laughable fear (from my POV) of getting caught by the DMCA and equivalents. Thank you, you guys pay, keep the industry working, so i can enjoy it for free. |
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CosmicDebris-San said:
When we compare 2005 to 2024 what we see is that 100 yen in 2005 is equivalent to 90.86 yen in 2024.Piracy was still niche and limited in 2005. In 2005 the industry's profit was 260billion yen, now it's 2.74 trillion yen, which is 2.466 trillion yen in 2005 yen. It's not even close.
When we compare 2005 to 2024 what we see is that 100 yen in 2005 is equivalent to 90.86 yen in 2024.Piracy was still niche and limited in 2005. In 2005 the industry's profit was 260billion yen, now it's 2.74 trillion yen, which is 2.466 trillion yen in 2005 yen. It's not even close.
This would be under the assumption there would be absolutely no consumer growth from 2005 to 2024. The difference of 274 billion Yen difference could have easily exceeded well over 2.74 trillion yen if you calculated even the minimal theoretical growth of consumers each year.
While you did the historical math I still do not agree with your opinion. I personally still think the industry would be better in terms of quality if consumers world wide would have kept up with the consuming habits from the 90s and early 2000s, despite if Anime wouldn't be as huge as it is today. Anime is only seen as niche through the perceived lens of what it is today when in reality Anime has been popular and even wide spread before a Network like Cartoon Network started platforming decade old Anime in the West.
ColourWheel said: This would be under the assumption there would be absolutely no consumer growth from 2005 to 2024. The difference of 274 billion Yen difference could have easily exceeded well over 2.74 trillion yen if you calculated even the minimal theoretical growth of consumers each year. I don't understand how this is supposed to be the case, the things you are linking up don't fit together logically. In 2005 the industry produced 0.26 trillion in revenue, in 2022, accounting for inflation it made 2.466 trillion in revenue. You aren't making up 274 billion with hypothetical consumer growth (somehow, not sure what this is even supposed to mean, what mechanism you are thinking of here), you are making up over 2 trillion while also cutting out the most effective way to build up consumer growth, which is effortless piracy, which makes for the greatest pool of potential customers possible due to the ease of initial exposure. ColourWheel said: I personally still think the industry would be better in terms of quality if consumers world wide would have kept up with the consuming habits from the 90s and early 2000s The actual quality of the anime isn't so low now due to the monetary side of things - budgets are higher than ever, the breakdown in informal training and the failure to cultivate the next generation of talent is the issue, its an internal industry issue that really only is affected by the overproduction caused by the streaming model when it comes to consumer behavior, but has way deeper roots. ColourWheel said: Anime is only seen as niche through the perceived lens of what it is today when in reality Anime has been popular and even wide spread before a Network like Cartoon Network started platforming decade old Anime in the West. It wasn't nearly as wide spread as it has become internationally, which now makes up half the overall revenue.  https://news.animenomics.com/p/anime-market-outside-japan-grew-11-percent-2022 |
CosmicDebris-SanMar 23, 2024 6:17 PM
| Pirating is okay because buying isn't owning anymore. And streaming services have fooled a bunch of people into handing away bucketfuls of their money away for mid quality when fans were doing fine on their own before streaming took over (and for free too!) Maybe if we lived in a world where the viewership of an anime is what actually mattered then yeah piracy would be a big issue, but that has never been the case with anime and isn't now even to this day. You wanna keep a show running? Buy merch, buy the manga, go see the movie if its in theatres near you, grab a figure or plushy of the characters but watching it on netflix or hulu or crunchyroll is not gonna put that cash in the creators pockets as fast as buying a figure or poster will. And it's been that way for decades! I don't know where people are still getting this misguided idea that anime solely relies on viewership to keep the lights on because if that were the case anime would've died years ago lmao. Anyways bait used to be believable too what is this yall not even trying anymore T_T |
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LiseranThistle said: I think you are the one who needs to get on with the times and understand that viewership is in fact one of the core reasons why shows are getting sequels, not merch and definitely not blu-rays.Buy merch, buy the manga, go see the movie if its in theatres near you, grab a figure or plushy of the characters but watching it on netflix or hulu or crunchyroll is not gonna put that cash in the creators pockets as fast as buying a figure or poster will. And it's been that way for decades! Anime studio CEOs have literally confirmed that number of viewers is more important than blu-rays sales. This isn't 2011 anymore, the number of people watching shows legally is FAR more than the few people who buy the really expensive blu-rays... |
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LiseranThistle said:
Buy merch, buy the manga, go see the movie if its in theatres near you, grab a figure or plushy of the characters but watching it on netflix or hulu or crunchyroll is not gonna put that cash in the creators pockets as fast as buying a figure or poster will. And it's been that way for decades!
I think you are the one who needs to get on with the times and understand that viewership is in fact one of the core reasons why shows are getting sequels, not merch and definitely not blu-rays.Buy merch, buy the manga, go see the movie if its in theatres near you, grab a figure or plushy of the characters but watching it on netflix or hulu or crunchyroll is not gonna put that cash in the creators pockets as fast as buying a figure or poster will. And it's been that way for decades!
Anime studio CEOs have literally confirmed that number of viewers is more important than blu-rays sales. This isn't 2011 anymore, the number of people watching shows legally is FAR more than the few people who buy the really expensive blu-rays...
| @MadanielFL Yeah like I'm gonna believe some CEO over how things have been run for literal decades. Of course CEOS would want you to shill your coin to them, they're CEOs they're actively against people NOT giving them money. And just think of all the anime that gets made every year that also just has additional merch and all that other bullshit that gets pumped out regardless of how many people actually even watch the show. Streaming has emboldened a lot of these suits to be more greedy than they were before in my opinion and people need to realize that instead of caving and just opening their wallets to any company that begs for it. |
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LiseranThistle said: Oh so you are just gonna ignore the obvious facts....Yeah like I'm gonna believe some CEO over how things have been run for literal decades. Of course CEOS would want you to shill your coin to them, they're CEOs they're actively against people NOT giving them money. And just think of all the anime that gets made every year that also just has additional merch and all that other bullshit that gets pumped out regardless of how many people actually even watch the show. Streaming has emboldened a lot of these suits to be more greedy than they were before in my opinion and people need to realize that instead of caving and just opening their wallets to any company that begs for it. It's OBVIOUS that the number of viewers is more important as it makes them wayyy more money than the few people buying blu-rays. Otherwise shows like Vinland Saga who only sold 700 blu-rays would NEVER get a season 2. |
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| Here's how I see it: the people who pirate won't buy your products anyway. And when you pay for streaming services, you do not own the "anime" like you do if you buy the DVD or BD, so when Funimation closed down your entire collection you paid for every month/year are gone just like that. You can argue that that's the same thing with renting an anime, but the fact of the matter is you still lose everything you invested in when they pull the plug. Do you think paying for streaming services help the anime industry? You're helping the companies providing these services, not the animators, not the producers, not the directors, not the animation studio. If you really want to support the animation industry or an animation studio, go to studio TRIGGER's patreon and donate. THAT'S how you make a change. Or buy from Japan. |
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Here's how I see it: the people who pirate won't buy your products anyway.
And when you pay for streaming services, you do not own the "anime" like you do if you buy the DVD or BD, so when Funimation closed down your entire collection you paid for every month/year are gone just like that. You can argue that that's the same thing with renting an anime, but the fact of the matter is you still lose everything you invested in when they pull the plug.
Do you think paying for streaming services help the anime industry? You're helping the companies providing these services, not the animators, not the producers, not the directors, not the animation studio. If you really want to support the animation industry or an animation studio, go to studio TRIGGER's patreon and donate. THAT'S how you make a change.
Or buy from Japan.
And when you pay for streaming services, you do not own the "anime" like you do if you buy the DVD or BD, so when Funimation closed down your entire collection you paid for every month/year are gone just like that. You can argue that that's the same thing with renting an anime, but the fact of the matter is you still lose everything you invested in when they pull the plug.
Do you think paying for streaming services help the anime industry? You're helping the companies providing these services, not the animators, not the producers, not the directors, not the animation studio. If you really want to support the animation industry or an animation studio, go to studio TRIGGER's patreon and donate. THAT'S how you make a change.
Or buy from Japan.
| @Yuu_Kanzaki I didn't know TRIGGER has their own Patreon. One thing to also consider is that illegal does not always mean morally bad. The law itself can be faulty and needs to be changed. How that will actually look like? I don't know exactly. But an example is the absurdly long timeframes before copyright expires. If the original terms are still in effect, a lot of the older anime can be torrented and downloaded in your computer with zero legal problems. Also, consider: if you watch anime, you should support the creators. Why should handing money to the corporate exclusive licensor in your territory be the only way for the common person to legitimately access content and provide the supporting? |
mo_laveMar 23, 2024 7:43 PM
| I have no power to stop people from being stupid, so I'll just say: "Do what you want, but be aware of your country's laws and don't whine and complain if any consequences from those actions come your way." If you're not prepared to accept those consequences and pay up or do prison time when the time comes than don't do the thing. Of course this depends on whether your country enforces international copyright laws or not. @Yuu_Kanzaki Somewhat true, but those domestic companies must pay absurdly large sums of money to Japanese Companies for different types of licenses to stream, distribute home video, and market products for those anime in different regions of the world, so quite a lot of money gets back to Japan that way. Everything is connected in the circle of economics in one way or another. |
KruszerMar 23, 2024 8:00 PM
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
| I've only used pirate sites for every entertainment media, programs, etc, I use and I'm never going to justify that what I am doing is okay nor I am going to preach to others that it's not okay and they shouldn't do it. I don't really care if it's okay or not that much, and I am simply stating my personal opinion on the matter. If I was a creator and saw that my creation is being pirated, I would be pissed and would chase the pirate to the ends of the earth. But since I am not in their position, I don't care. It's very hypocritical, I know, but that's me. lol. My answer is 'No' to your question. |
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Yuu_Kanzaki said: Studio Trigger is literally the only one that does that, I would love to see any other studios that also does this. If you really want to support the animation industry or an animation studio, go to studio TRIGGER's patreon and donate. THAT'S how you make a change. Or buy from Japan. And buying from Japan is pretty much the same as watching anime legally, the money goes to the producers NOT THE STUDIO And by buying from Japan you might still be giving money to foreign companies like CR anyways, considering how as members of production committes, they receive money from merch sales. |
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| Some of my ancestors were pirates and I´m a man of tradition |
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| Just do whatever, It’s your own decision. |
| for me, the answer is pretty obvious: yeah. it is completely fine, even with 4738648378 streaming services. Because of how the stuff works, it is pretty expensive to pay for all signatures, mainly for USA or European people; actually, even if the person has money enough to pay for it, it is okay since it is almost impossible for the platform's licensed content has the same "storage size" . |
| I think it's understandable to pirate since people have other priorities above watching anime. Well, I personally know that really well and feel bad everytime I got no choice but click illegal links to watch anime I want--mostly some old ones or just those that got region lock. It's not like piracy is my main choice, though. I would pay to watch anime if it's affordable enough, or searching for a free-legal platform. |
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| Let's be real, we've all done it, and likely would never have become anime fans if we hadn't. |
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| "Piracy has been the most successful form of film distribution" - Werner Herzog Piracy doesn't hurt anyone except corporate suits, and it's entirely necessary in many cases for archival purposes. Just think about the sheer number of films and series that aren't available for streaming and are now out of print on DVD and Blu-Ray since physical media is dying. For example, it's now pretty much impossible to legally watch one of the most influential horror films of the past 30 years. It's not being hosted on any legal streaming services and the BD is long out of print. And this is especially true if you're a fan of older anime. Many titles worth seeking out have simply never been officially localized and a lot of titles we take for granted as being classics only gained attention and notoriety in the West due to piracy. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is officially licensed now, but it wasn't for a very long time and it's only thanks to dedicated fansubbers that the show has an ardent Western fanbase in the first place. |
LoveLikeBloodMar 24, 2024 5:49 AM
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| A lot of anime isn't viable to watch legally, either for never being licensed, the license having expired, not being available in your area, or being exclusive to a different streaming platform than the one you're paying for. It's not like you're cheating the creators out of money either. The people who actually made the show wouldn't see any of the money you spend on streaming platforms. That money goes to the streaming platform itself, the company who conducted the translation, and the investors who paid for the production (which may or may not include the studio). Broke college kids have more important things to spend their money on than making sure that venture capitalists get a high return on investment. |
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| A year of Crunchyroll & hidive is $160. For me that's two work days. Who can't afford that? Also ask for a subscription for Xmas and/or your birthday |
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"Using pirated sites to watch anime is ok if you can't afford to pay?"
It's totally ok.
It's totally ok.
| @Serafos unrelated but that is one, huge tomato, wow, so huge, i love tomatoes, although i think im allergic to them lolll, but still, that is a very interesting, big human tomato. |
| Half of the stuff I've watched would never end up on a streaming site (I mean like, why would some 15 minute OVA be on Netflix? Or some special episode to a show no-one cares for?), and the only other option is a 100-dollar DVD or tape. The creators wouldn't get a cent off of that e-Bay listing, and I'm dirt broke and not willing to spend my gas money on 20 minutes of screen time. |
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zombie_pegasus said: Well they would, since the money the studio receives to make an anime comes from the production committee, and anime streaming companies are in the committees for some shows.The people who actually made the show wouldn't see any of the money you spend on streaming platforms. Meaning, your subscription money is being used to fund the production of new anime, which includes paying the studios that work on those shows. |
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| You all do what you want to do with your money. It's your money, who am I to judge? I find it interesting that DRM is making things more difficult for preserving media via legal platforms, yet piracy is unintentionally helping to preserve otherwise obscure shows or movies. |
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zombie_pegasus said:
The people who actually made the show wouldn't see any of the money you spend on streaming platforms.
Well they would, since the money the studio receives to make an anime comes from the production committee, and anime streaming companies are in the committees for some shows.The people who actually made the show wouldn't see any of the money you spend on streaming platforms.
Meaning, your subscription money is being used to fund the production of new anime, which includes paying the studios that work on those shows.
| @MadanielFL I guess technically, in the same way that an McDonald's employee gets some of the money you spend on your burger, but it's a pretty small percentage. Also, most people in the anime industry are freelancers, so even if there being more money in the industry means more work is available that doesn't mean the individuals who worked on any particular project actually have more work themselves, and how successful any show is doesn't affect their salary in any meaningful way. |
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| hahahahahahahaha...nice try fed. |
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| Imagine paying money to view drawings and CGI-generated ones and zeroes for half an hour... |
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zombie_pegasus said: Ok, I and fail to see how that's their problem.I guess technically, in the same way that an McDonald's employee gets some of the money you spend on your burger, but it's a pretty small percentage. Also, most people in the anime industry are freelancers, so even if there being more money in the industry means more work is available that doesn't mean the individuals who worked on any particular project actually have more work themselves, and how successful any show is doesn't affect their salary in any meaningful way. The working conditions of animators and their pay, isn't up to overseas streaming companies, it's the animation studios job. And so, look back at your original statement "The people who actually made the show wouldn't see any of the money you spend on streaming platforms." Yes they do, animation studios are being paid by the producers, and the studio uses that money to pay the staff, now their wages and conditions is a completely different topic, but the main point is YES, your subscription money is going back to the creators, and that includes everyone that worked on the show, not just animators. Streaming companies can only do so much to support the industry, unless they literally own an anime studio (like bilibili does), then the most they can do to help, is to produce and finance anime. And you act like these companies don't do anything else besides financing the show, when in reality it's the producers who starts the project and decides what manga/LN gets an anime adaptation, not the studio, so without these producers, many popular shows wouldn't even exist, like Solo Leveling and Shield Hero for example. Lost_Viking said: Yeah imagine supporting the industry, real anime fans would never do something so stupid like thatImagine paying money to view drawings and CGI-generated ones and zeroes for half an hour... |
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| I don't personally have a moral ground to justify my stance on pirating. But I'll at least embrace it and sail the seven seas. |
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| I'm someone who enjoys collecting physical media so if I can buy a copy to own in it's physical form then I will. I don't bother with streaming services so I'd rather just pirate it. It's not ethical, sure, but then maybe certain companies shouldn't have extortionary prices for their products and services. |
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| It's okay even if you can afford to pay. No way in hell am i paying for multiple streaming services. |
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| With an acceptable reason, that's fine. Just be prepared for potentially dangerous risks such as virus and malware. |
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| Obviously we must pay for everything!! Even for companies like crunchyroll who produces garbage local language dubs!!! |
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