Gator said: omfgplzstop said: aye. Risara linked someone to the wiki entry if you want to know what belongs there Looked through the thread but couldn't find a post of someone called Risara. Anyway I "only" have seen F/SN 2006, the non-existing Tsukihime anime, Carnival Phantasm and Fate/Zero so far. I don't know what else is in this universe, but so far I'm not really impressed. It's the normal world with that holy grail war, magic and servants. Don't see how it's anything special. Because you're watching butchered adaptations except for F/Z and Carnival Phatasm which is a gag show. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: Gator said: Looked through the thread but couldn't find a post of someone called Risara. Anyway I "only" have seen F/SN 2006, the non-existing Tsukihime anime, Carnival Phantasm and Fate/Zero so far. I don't know what else is in this universe, but so far I'm not really impressed. It's the normal world with that holy grail war, magic and servants. Don't see how it's anything special. Because you're watching butchered adaptations except for F/Z and Carnival Phatasm which is a gag show. And only funny if you've read tsukihime and fate at least XD |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
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Kaimon said: Berserk, One Piece, Magi, Avatar, Star Wars Star wars really? Everything outside the original trilogy is stupid tbh. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Kaimon said: Berserk, One Piece, Magi, Avatar, Star Wars Even though Berserk is my favourite manga of all time I dont think so. |
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| First thing I thought of were the likes of Kiki's Delivery Service, Sora no Woto, and Haibane Renmei actually. It's one thing for an anime world to have a plethora of rules and a deep history, but a world feels more fleshed out after getting to know the people in it. There's also stuff like Michiko and Hatchin that travel around while doing the same thing. When creating a world, it's hard to both see and tell how detailed or expansive it is without using people as a scale. I'm watching Casshern Sins right now, and while the landscape is repeated over and over, the sparseness of characters does give an idea of an endless void, akin to something like Kino's Journey or Galaxy Express 999 in between destinations. Of course, the examples I gave were mostly short shows without much time to develop a grand stage for their worlds. However, for what small worlds they have, they did feel real to me. I will give the Nasuverse credit though, it's expansive with lots of various nuances that makes it interesting to get invested in. A story with its own stories - in-universe lore and legends - win at the end of the day, but I'd say small world can give still give the larger ones a run for their money. |
ShockedOct 30, 2015 9:53 AM
| I guess this isn't really the right time to compare Nasuverse with any other verses because quite a substantial amount of the works that contributes to it hasn't really been watched/read because it hasn't been translated.Lets see: Tsukihime:anime doesn't exist and well some people have read the manga KNK and Fate: preferrably the ones people have some sort of exposure..though in case of Fate,there are various levels of getting involved(VN player,anime only,Zerotards) and games like Extra CCC which aren't translated. Witch of the holy Night-6/13 chapter translated but still even the most hardcore Nasuverse fanboy would probably wait for it to finish which ain't gonna happen anytime soon. NOTES-I will be surprised if more than 10 % of the most hardcore Type Moon fans have actually read it...so general public consensus about this is a bit of a stretch. In addition to these,there are various side materials and extras which further contribute to the world building.So the stuff that actually contributes to it hasn't really been read/watched/played..so people mostly would make their assumptions based on 2 branches which have had much more exposure. Hence,I believe its too early to actually compare Nasuverse with other verses when almost 40% stuff hasn't been translated .Somebody mentioned about Tsubasa Chronicles and Muv Luv,those two indeed have grandiose world building. Ignoring the shenaigans of usual vocal minority of "butthurt" anti-Fate fans that always tend to harp on the same thing in every single AD thread(lack of originality must admit),OP this thread would have been more relevant if the general public would have been more exposed to the other works.Then they could have got substantial info to compare it with other verses. |
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15poundfish said: Legend of Galactic Hereoes Shinsekai Yori Stuff that doesn't come from a porn game. Putting aside the insult, Legend of Galactic Heroes definitely one of the better at world building. It perfectly presented a 3 sided story of governance and how each conflict with each other. Shinsekai Yori despite short, has a better world building compare to nasuverse since it is more of connective world through different lore while Shinsekai Yori establish a history that already explained the evolution of human on its story. Another one among I tried would be Owari no Chronicle. Although this is more on the light novel side and prequel to Kyoukai Senjou to Horizon, Owari no Chronicle does the same thing what nasuverse tries to be but made it more compact so each lore won't contradict each other. If anyone said High School DxD on this, I could only laugh since its poor compare to nasuverse as far as world building concerns. |
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| If we're going non-anime, I'll add Harry Potter to the mix as well. Ain't no way Nasuverse beats the Potter Universe in world building or story telling, characters and execution, but I'll keep them aside for now. I'll also say Pendragon, which does an absolutely brilliant job of combining several worlds together and not being any less effective in world building. If anime/manga/visual novel only, then Shinsekai Yori, by far. Helps that world building was one of the most important aspects of the series. |
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omfgplzstop said: yhunata said: or story telling, characters and execution, but I'll keep them aside for now. the next time i see someone do this though im gonna flip can't forget foreshadowing. |
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black1blade said: you just sound really prejudiced and ignorant. Being a battle shounen doesn't make it inherently bad or anything lol. And Magi has great fights imo with a very unique combat system to boot.JD2411 said: well memed my friend I would have loved magi if it wasn't a battle shounen. Had so much potential but the fights are rubbish and the scale increased far too quickly. black1blade said: I don't really know why you think the character designs look stupid. I would define stupid character designs as something like One Piece (note: this isn't a criticism since it's Oda's style). And again, you seem incredibly prejudiced against shounen for some reason. Arslan Senki is full of flaws namely deviating from the core narrative for a pointless side quest that ultimately led to nothing. It also suffers from a neglected cast and overall shallow characters that we learnt very little about throughout the show. Magi has none of those problems.Also most of the character designs are really stupid. It just annoys me that magi could have been amazing but because of it's genre it wasn't. Arslan senki does the middle east fantasy land thing much better. |
mlcdl said: Shinsekai Yori despite short, has a better world building compare to nasuverse since it is more of connective world through different lore while Shinsekai Yori establish a history that already explained the evolution of human on its story. ^ |
yhunata said: If we're going non-anime, I'll add Harry Potter to the mix as well. Ain't no way Nasuverse beats the Potter Universe in world building or story telling, characters and execution, but I'll keep them aside for now. I'll also say Pendragon, which does an absolutely brilliant job of combining several worlds together and not being any less effective in world building. If anime/manga/visual novel only, then Shinsekai Yori, by far. Helps that world building was one of the most important aspects of the series. Kara no kyoukai is a much better 7 part movie series compared to harry potter. I think I got more out of the nasuverse compared to potter. The nasuverse feels much more plausible in it's interaction with the real world as compared to HP. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: Mind explaining that?Kara no kyoukai is a much better 7 part movie series compared to harry potter. I think I got more out of the nasuverse compared to potter. The nasuverse feels much more plausible in it's interaction with the real world as compared to HP. |
TonyTheme said: black1blade said: Mind explaining that?Kara no kyoukai is a much better 7 part movie series compared to harry potter. I think I got more out of the nasuverse compared to potter. The nasuverse feels much more plausible in it's interaction with the real world as compared to HP. Well in harry potter it feels so detached from the real world and the majority of the time is spent in hogwarts. All the stories in the nasuverse are in some way very closely connected to the real world. Examples being the bridge being destroyed in knk or the string of serial murders going on within tuskihime. Because the reader lives in the real world, the impact of the events are more relatable. A magical bubble shield being destroyed around hogwarts is totally detached from the real world while people going missing, however supernatural the means, is having an effect on the real world. Now I know there is that scene at the start of the 6th movie with the dementors destroying that bridge in london but on the whole it is very detached. Harry potter is the only character that the audience can relate to in terms of background but there are plenty of characters in the nasuverse that do come from normal backgrounds. The only silly thing in the nasuverse with how it interacts with the world is how kirei magically cleans up after all the battles in fuyuki somehow... That's just my 2 cents tho. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I get what you're saying, but that explanation seems disconnected from "The Nasuverse feels much more plausible in its interaction with the real world." You're just describing events that happen and how they would be known to the general public since it doesn't occur in some other world (the side effects of said incidents matter very little, even an entire hotel's residents being eaten alive. It just gets swept up and no normal people ever find out). The entire main cast of Tsukihime comes from fantastical backgrounds, most of the game revolves around said background, and the protagonist is a psychotic rapist in his spare time. The other Shiki (and SHIKI) is almost as nuts and her removal from ordinary human experience is a plot point. Even the one normal guy in KnK is actually abnormal. I see no point in going over FSN. You can twist it around and point how the fantastical things in the verse going on without anyone really noticing much at all is a point against it, and HP actually has a more satisfying explanation. Nasuverse deals with a mostly urban setting, but I don't think that fact alone means it depicts more relatable situations, or characters that evoke empathy (especially solely on one's background, given how removed the main cast of Nasu's works are from normal society). |
TonyThemeOct 30, 2015 12:42 PM
| In terms of anime/manga? Not really. Nasuverse is the most grounded, well explained and expansive setting in terms of manga/anime/vn stuff. STuff like Muv Luv or Rokka comes a bit close but nowhere near. In terms of the whole world though we have World of Darkness, Exalted settings, Dresden Files universe(which is pretty much western version of nasuverse in terms of lore and infodumping), etc. |
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laidellent said: Tsukihime:anime doesn't exist and well some people have read the manga . What are you talking about. It does . |
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black1blade said: tr1ckst3r said: I think Nasuverse didn't had that amazing of a worldbuilding, it sure had some interesting power system tho. One thing that made Nasuverse stand out from other anime universe is that Nasuverse is well expanded and explored, because its been used by a few franchise that focused on a different thing within the same world. The nasuverse has cool defining concepts like the origin, counter guardians and the true magics. Yup .Those are what make it awesome .Too much info doesn't equate to good world building .Look at Mahouka (LN) .It was good but there was too much information flying around .It also used extremely complex terms .Not good world building unless you're a University science student . |
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Evildragon16 said: laidellent said: Tsukihime:anime doesn't exist and well some people have read the manga . What are you talking about. It does . You must be seeing things.It doesn't. |
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laidellent said: Evildragon16 said: What are you talking about. It does . You must be seeing things.It doesn't. What are you talking about ?I watched it .It wasn't so good but it exists . It aired in 2003 I think . Type Shingetsutan Tsukihime on MAL . |
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Evildragon16 said: laidellent said: You must be seeing things.It doesn't. What are you taliking about ?I watched it .It wasn't so good but it exists . Type Shingetsutan Tsukihime on MAL . Thats fanfiction.Thats not Tsukihime |
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laidellent said: Evildragon16 said: What are you taliking about ?I watched it .It wasn't so good but it exists . Type Shingetsutan Tsukihime on MAL . Thats fanfiction.Thats not Tsukihime Okay hold on are you messing with me ? |
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| That fact that you are unaware of fanfiction is baffling me. |
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omfgplzstop said: Evildragon16 said: Okay hold on are you messing with me ? there's no tsukihime anime lmao Explain this if you aren't messing with me https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqE_ta63VrWjQbLejOARYSdkveOOpLDOEG4ZSIAQ7FfGwN2xFjX-a0xq-u[/img] |
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omfgplzstop said: Evildragon16 said: Explain this if you aren't messing with me https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqE_ta63VrWjQbLejOARYSdkveOOpLDOEG4ZSIAQ7FfGwN2xFjX-a0xq-u[/img] again man, fanfiction tsukihime doesn't have an actual anime Ok can you guys stop ?This is actually funny but seriously . |
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Evildragon16 said: laidellent said: Thats fanfiction.Thats not Tsukihime Okay hold on are you messing with me ? Don't get mad, mate, it's a popular meme between Nasuverse fans. The Tsukihime anime was so bad (from their perspective, as I don't see it yet) that the fans treat it like it doesn't exist. |
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Evildragon16 said: omfgplzstop said: there's no tsukihime anime lmao Explain this if you aren't messing with me https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqE_ta63VrWjQbLejOARYSdkveOOpLDOEG4ZSIAQ7FfGwN2xFjX-a0xq-u[/img] Explanation in spoiler: Take a good few hours to nonstop read that. |
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omfgplzstop said: Evildragon16 said: Ok can you guys stop ?This is actually funny but seriously . ? Wait , you're not pulling my leg ?I watched it on animeultima .Does fanfic end up there ? |
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CookingPriest said: In terms of anime/manga? Not really. Nasuverse is the most grounded, well explained and expansive setting in terms of manga/anime/vn stuff. STuff like Muv Luv or Rokka comes a bit close but nowhere near. No mention of Umineko completely surprises me. I assume you've never read it or you found it shit (highly unlikely), probably the former. Umineko is on par or greater than Nasuverse in terms of exposition for its setting and is far more coherent plot wise as the events unfold. Everything interlinks with each other magnificently leaving a powerful message in its ending. |
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FireEmblemIke24 said: CookingPriest said: In terms of anime/manga? Not really. Nasuverse is the most grounded, well explained and expansive setting in terms of manga/anime/vn stuff. STuff like Muv Luv or Rokka comes a bit close but nowhere near. No mention of Umineko completely surprises me. I assume you've never read it or you found it shit (highly unlikely), probably the former. Umineko is on par or greater than Nasuverse in terms of exposition for its setting and is far more coherent plot wise as the events unfold. Everything interlinks with each other magnificently leaving a powerful message in its ending. Umineko ?The manga was awesome but I don't think the world building matches nasuverse's . |
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FireEmblemIke24 said: CookingPriest said: In terms of anime/manga? Not really. Nasuverse is the most grounded, well explained and expansive setting in terms of manga/anime/vn stuff. STuff like Muv Luv or Rokka comes a bit close but nowhere near. No mention of Umineko completely surprises me. I assume you've never read it or you found it shit (highly unlikely), probably the former. Umineko is on par or greater than Nasuverse in terms of exposition for its setting and is far more coherent plot wise as the events unfold. Everything interlinks with each other magnificently leaving a powerful message in its ending. Umineko is a good story and narrative but fails for me in sense of "universe". It is not an "universe". It is literally a story(-ies). Its less about world-building or setting(the setting is very limited) and more about the meta-rules of mystery/supernatural narrative being explored. |
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omfgplzstop said: FireEmblemIke24 said: No mention of Umineko completely surprises me. I assume you've never read it or you found it shit (highly unlikely), probably the former. Umineko is on par or greater than Nasuverse in terms of exposition for its setting and is far more coherent plot wise as the events unfold. Everything interlinks with each other magnificently leaving a powerful message in its ending. so when do i read higurashi You don't read higurashi you watch it .Also watch it before reading umineko .Don't watch umineko cuz I hear it's crap as an anima .The manga is awesome tho |
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CookingPriest said: Umineko is a good story and narrative but fails for me in sense of "universe". It is not an "universe". It is literally a story(-ies). Its less about world-building or setting(the setting is very limited) and more about the meta-rules of mystery/supernatural narrative being explored. Then as a singular entity, how would you rate it for its story? Agreed on your point about its setting. The framework set in place is seriously limited not allowing for any proper flexibility which is far easier in Nasuverse with its dynamics but I guess its staying faithful to its true goal on discerning what is truth, which is brought up countless times throughout its varying mysteries. |
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omfgplzstop said: Evildragon16 said: You don't read higurashi you watch it .Also watch it before reading umineko .Don't watch umineko cuz I hear it's crap as an anima .The manga is awesome tho I meant the VN, lol. Thanks though. You're saying Higurashi > Higurashi 2 (kai or w/e) > Umineko > Umineko Chiru, right? You've got it .At least two of the umineko series are in MAL's top 100 . |
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omfgplzstop said: TonyTheme said: Why would you suggest Higurashi's anime over the VN? I'm pretty sure he meant the manga, not knowing both were based on a VN. I forgot . |
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