Shoushimin Series 2nd Season Episode 7 Discussion

They were dating for like a year tbf it’s not like he’s a random dude lmao. That’s normal couple shit

That’s extremely normal and no I wouldn’t mind? We’re dating not friends. You said the optimal word “partner” if you’re so repulsed by the thought of them kissing you why are you dating them lmao tf are y’all talking about on here just be saying ANYTHING. Y’all acting like buddy tried to SA her, a random kiss is normal as hell. It just happens he was dating a sociopathic freak. Aka the average mal user apparently.

So is this the end of the arc? They did not give us any conclusion to the situation of Hiya and Urino. It feels quite incomplete after following them (mainly Urino) for half the season. And I refuse to believe that Hiya looked down on Urino. Apart from that one line from the papers, there is no other evidence to support it. We have seen them interact and there was nothing suspicious like that between them. Helping his friend follow his dreams while blowing off steam from the academic pressure on himself is way more in line with what we saw.

If last week was Urino’s murder, this was his obituary reading. Jesus Christ I feel so horrible for bro, he didn’t deserve that 😭 all because he tried to kiss his girlfriend??! Of a year?!! I thought I was petty, but Osanai is truly the petty queen. Kobato probably is the best fit for her honestly because they’re both insane.

Kobato: “Okay I’ll keep it short” *takes the whole episode explaining the case*. Hiya being the arsonist was honestly not surprising, I was sus on him from the start. I can’t remember what episode, but I remember he and Urino had a convo in class about the fires and the articles and it was just so comically obvious it had to be him. We just sort of took a windy road to get there in the end because Osanai wanted to set Urino up and crush his spirit.

This episode was really just an overall cucking for Urino. His best friend ended up being an opp, his own gf was praying on his downfall and his own newspaper people were mocking him. Genuinely wouldn’t shock me if he offed himself.

“I think I need you.” Ah damn it 😭 these two psychos back together again. As much as I feel they’re toxic for each other, they’re also the only people on each others’ level and who really understands the other, so you’re kinda limited in who you can go for at this point.

Osanai’s sadistic nature was really apparent in that convo at the end. It wasn’t enough to make Urino look stupid, she really wanted him to feel inadequate in his soul. 🤢 I knew the train noise from a few episodes had to be fake, no way Osanai would be so sloppy, but the fact Urino ate it up and thought she was the culprit kinda shows how little he knew her. In the end, best for both of them to be apart. I hope bro recovers from this.

EDIT: I’m legit not understanding how there’s real human beings on myanimelist and Reddit that are calling Urino a creep and acting like he was a horrible person for attempting to kiss his GIRLFRIEND of a YEAR. Yea ideally you’d ask but he’s not a stranger to her and couples kiss unprovoked all the time. Like y’all can not be real people. Sex? 100 percent, but cmon dawg a kiss attempt with your BOYFRIEND is hardly traumatizing and if it is, you shouldn’t be with them.

Nah fr man are there no normal human beings on this app? Holy shit the fact people are defending her getting revenge on her boyfriend because he tried to do a normal boyfriend thing and kiss her out of excitement is insane. I’m constantly reminded why anime fans are seen as weird. As you said, it’s clearly meant to demonstrate further that Osanai is a sociopath and could never be with a normal human being. Only a sociopath like Kobato could be with her.

These people are dyed in the wool psychopaths, incapable of empathy. They shouldn't be supported, shipped or even liked. They are not anti-heroes, they're bona fide villains. And you know what? I dig it.

Edit: people are getting way too uptight about the kiss thing. Clumsy kids try to express romance in silly ways. I didn't take it like Urino was forcing himself on her or anything, he didn't seem the type, if anything he seemed to genuinely care for her before she started dropping red herrings. I interpreted it like he clumsily tried to sneak or steal a kiss, some innocent teenager stuff. Which just makes Osanai's reaction that much more revealing about her character. Making the complete demolition of this kids spirit (and being completely indifferent to the arson, in fact using it as part of her revenge) out to be normal stuff is a disservice to the excellent character construction going on here.

Nah fr man are there no normal human beings on this app? Holy shit the fact people are defending her getting revenge on her boyfriend because he tried to do a normal boyfriend thing and kiss her out of excitement is insane. I’m constantly reminded why anime fans are seen as weird. As you said, it’s clearly meant to demonstrate further that Osanai is a sociopath and could never be with a normal human being. Only a sociopath like Kobato could be with her.

Nah fr man are there no normal human beings on this app? Holy shit the fact people are defending her getting revenge on her boyfriend because he tried to do a normal boyfriend thing and kiss her out of excitement is insane. I’m constantly reminded why anime fans are seen as weird. As you said, it’s clearly meant to demonstrate further that Osanai is a sociopath and could never be with a normal human being. Only a sociopath like Kobato could be with her.

Lol. I suspected Hiya because he acted too pretentious at times and he was really the only significant new character in this arc besides the Kobato's girlfriend. But I had no real proof. By the way, excessive sensitivity, copying the social behavior of "normal people" and vindictiveness are just some of the clear symptoms of sociopathic personality disorder.

@Marinate1016 We can argue for a long time about the norms of acceptable behavior, each couple establishes it themselves. The question is that starting from this season, the behavior of Kobato and to a greater extent Osanai begins to look too sociopathic. So the guy is really lucky that she only humiliated him, and did not shoot off his dick or make him the object of the perfect murder.

Nah fr man are there no normal human beings on this app? Holy shit the fact people are defending her getting revenge on her boyfriend because he tried to do a normal boyfriend thing and kiss her out of excitement is insane. I’m constantly reminded why anime fans are seen as weird. As you said, it’s clearly meant to demonstrate further that Osanai is a sociopath and could never be with a normal human being. Only a sociopath like Kobato could be with her.

That’s extremely normal and no I wouldn’t mind? We’re dating not friends. You said the optimal word “partner” if you’re so repulsed by the thought of them kissing you why are you dating them lmao tf are y’all talking about on here just be saying ANYTHING. Y’all acting like buddy tried to SA her, a random kiss is normal as hell. It just happens he was dating a sociopathic freak. Aka the average mal user apparently.

@RobertBobert "By the way, excessive sensitivity, copying the social behavior of "normal people" and vindictiveness are just some of the clear symptoms of sociopathic personality disorder." This is also very insightful. In a way Kobato reminds me of Mao Mao's biological father in Apothecary Diaries. He isn't bad, he's indifferent. He is incapable of seeing people as individuals, which clearly derives from a pathology and which makes him such a brilliant strategist, when you have no attachment to your pieces, you can play the perfect move every time. It's the same with Kobato, he's also completely amoral, he doesn't see human beings, he sees brain teasers. He can't connect with anyone and that's why he only interacts with everyone in the most superficial level. Tellingly, the two characters who know him best, aside of Osanai, are put off by him precisely because of his uncanny-valley-ness and end up hating him, because once you scratch the surface, there is nothing.

This is a wonderful show that breaks so many molds, these people are fascinating and are not presented as good or bad, but as consistent, coherent with their inner values, and just shows the directions in which these takes them. It's a breath of fresh air, no heroes, no villains, only people with what seem pathologies sort of doing their thing, and their thing is captivating.

That’s quite literally how the scene went. Excitement doesn’t mean joyous always. He was nervous and tried to kiss his girlfriend end of. At any rate, the fact she did all of this because of that is ridiculous and I’ll hear not a single argument justifying it. No normal couple is fighting after that and the fact people on MAL and Reddit think like this shows me your level of social development. Yikes. Again, you might say “I didn’t really appreciate you trying to do that when I’m having a serious conversation” and move on, but the scene is intended to highlight how much of a sociopath Osanai is and how she couldn’t even fathom why he’d kiss her without asking. She takes it as a slight because she is mentally ill and this isn’t something to be emulated.

Normal humans do not react that way. End of story lol. Y’all have to go out and interact with people I promise the world is fun.

That's not how that scene went down, though.

They were having an argument - Osanai was trying to get Urino to stop writing about the arson, and Urino was misunderstanding her words and getting angry that he was being belittled. It's not a good time to be kissing anyone.

The kiss was almost like he was trying to get her to stop talking and "assert dominance." We both know how that would especially tick her off. Osanai literally says afterwards, "when someone tells you to listen, you listen."

And it's just plain disrespectful. Every couple is different, they should match each other and figure it out together. But Urino just sprang that on her, knowing full well Osanai was not a touchy person. If he didn't like her personality and attitude, then he should've just broken up with her earlier.

What Osanai did was insanely cruel, yes. But there's a good reason she flipped. I wouldn't be surprised if a normal couple had a fight after that kiss moment.

@perseii I think this is a very fair reading, too. He was disrespectful, no doubt about it. "When someone tells you to listen, you listen" is something that should be taught since kindergarten.

Having said that, I think the main point still stands. I think the key to interpreting her revenge is how drawn out and indifferent to anything else it is. I don't think property damage is THAT big of a deal, but she was completely indifferent to anything other that her revenge, arson included. Even if you think the proportionality of the crime vs the punishment is fair, it is plain to see that her singlemindedness and the meticulousness of her revenge are wild, in that anything happening outside of the scope of her plan was inconsequential. All of which is to say that I think the whole ending of the arc serves the sole purpose of reminding us that she's unwell to put it mildly.

I think that's the main point of this, that her reaction is clearly portrayed not as something to be celebrated but as something to be stunned by. So I think the entire argument of "is this an adequate responde" boils down more to how you wish to perceive her. Of course, no one reading is correct! Everyone is entitled to their interpretation and more things are going on beneath, but, to me, it's a misreading of the show's entire premise to think she's a badass, that's not what, to me, this show is about and the enjoyment of the show is all the less if you read it that way. Then she becomes some sort of avenger and we have plenty of those in anime. But if she's a genuine psychopath... ah! that's different