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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This show has its up and downs. The show starts you into action, which I absolutely wasn't a fan of, but it picked itself up at around the episode 4 mark. The main gripe I had with is how they tried to hook people into the show with all the action, and then later on in the episodes it's just completely omitted in the same type of manner. Basically, all the action was used in the first few episodes. And then there's just a lot of dumb parts of the shows like where the girl is skating off the side of the building, cars going off big jumps with nothing happening to it. I get it, nothing is really realistic in anime. However, finding out who the main villain is was extremely easy. I was able to get that much from just a few features and was able to confirm guess it easily by the half-way mark. I enjoyed the characters even if some got no background information, since most of them appear throughout each episode, you don't really forget them. Personally, Keith was the best character and the rest were just "there." The big wtf moments I had was when Keith goes into a deep thought and is reliving—or rather, imaging—how things played out. As well as Gilbert being beyond fucked—from his killings down to his monologue in episode 12. Overall, I think I'd give it a very generous 7. Pros to the ED song. Absolutely loved it each episode. The main problems this show has is the characters and the motives themselves. At least for me, I wasn't a fan of a lot of the stuff. Seems like it tries to set itself up for another season too. |
TyrelMar 2, 2018 6:34 PM
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| Wait so his father was alive afterall? Another thing, I don't get who the guy with the same eye as kouko was. His brother? Why did they implant the eye in him? One more stupid question. Where do reggies come from? Are they born? |
Raz1515Mar 2, 2018 8:24 AM
| This series didn't turn out at all like I expected - which has both its merits and its downsides. 7.5/10 Raz1515 said: Another thing, I don't get who the guy with the same eye as kouko was. His brother? Why did they implant the eye in him? One more stupid question. Where do reggies come from? Are they born? Minatsuki was the only Reggie the scientists were able to stabilise (he doesn't need that gold substance) and also didn't reject implantation of Koku's eye (the eye of the Black King, with the mind-control abilities, which it seems other Reggies couldn't be implanted with) meaning he was extremely valuable. I suspect the scientists tried to implant many Reggies with the eye because an army with the ability of mind control would be... appreciated, I guess. Reggie - Regulus Ginedrive Immoral Egersis - "A race of ancient demihumans created only to fight" - I suspect they're created in a lab, I don't think it's ever explained, but seeing as they aren't human to begin with I'm sure they're definitely not born like humans. |
ButadonMeitantei said: I see! So they created the eyes seperately? Also, I didn't quite get why koku and Yuna were special. What were they exactly cause kuko said they weren't reggies.This series didn't turn out at all like I expected - which has both its merits and its downsides. 7.5/10 Raz1515 said: Another thing, I don't get who the guy with the same eye as kouko was. His brother? Why did they implant the eye in him? One more stupid question. Where do reggies come from? Are they born? Minatsuki was the only Reggie the scientists were able to stabilise (he doesn't need that gold substance) and also didn't reject implantation of Koku's eye (the eye of the Black King, with the mind-control abilities, which it seems other Reggies couldn't be implanted with) meaning he was extremely valuable. I suspect the scientists tried to implant many Reggies with the eye because an army with the ability of mind control would be... appreciated, I guess. Reggie - Regulus Ginedrive Immoral Egersis - "A race of ancient demihumans created only to fight" - I suspect they're created in a lab, I don't think it's ever explained, but seeing as they aren't human to begin with I'm sure they're definitely not born like humans. |
Raz1515 said: Also, I didn't quite get why koku and Yuna were special. What were they exactly cause kuko said they weren't reggies. They were this ancient race of "gods" that apparently lived on the islands led by the black winged king. I guess the scientist created Yuna and kuko and the rest by cloning the skeletons they found. |
| Very solid watch, actually managed to binge unlike Devilman: Crybaby. It kept me hooked as the plot unravelled, the combination of both thriller and mystery police work with a supernatural action plot at the same time was very cool. Character design was really nice, especially for Lily she was very cute in the show. Also what does the sort of cliffhanger mean in the end credits? Maybe they'll give it another season but I wouldn't think there's enough to expand upon and keep it entertaining for another run. |
zoderos said: asking the same questions as well. why implant kuko's eye in Minatsuki..?If Minatsuki was the special one all along, who didn't reject the implants(namely Koku's eye), why Koku also didn't reject the implants and didn't need to use the yellow substance? And if Koku and Yuna are the prototype specimen and the most perfect ones, why did they feel the need to create Minatsuki and then transplant Koku's eye on him? It doesn't make much sense to me. And I've wondered throughout watching, is Izanami a boy or girl lmao?? |
zoderos said: I watched the dub and checked the Japanese and both voices sound the same so that didn't really help either hahaRaz1515 said: asking the same questions as well. why implant kuko's eye in Minatsuki..? And I've wondered throughout watching, is Izanami a boy or girl lmao?? At last a man asking the right questions! She dressed like a girl, but her jpn voice at least sounded quite boyish(don't know about the dub one). She was completely flat in the asset department, so that points to being a boy aswell. However, the prophecy on the stone said "two priestesses" namely Yuna and Izanami, so I guess she may actually be a girl. Then it's also quite obvious she had feelings of Koku and she was jealous for Yuna. Even when she was a little girl, with that haircut you can't really tell. And from what I understood, Minatsuki had also at least to some degree some feelings for Izanami and felt jealous of Koku. So if she's a trap, she tricked two guys at once. Quite a feat if I may say so myself. |
zoderos said: If Minatsuki was the special one all along, who didn't reject the implants(namely Koku's eye), why Koku also didn't reject the implants and didn't need to use the yellow substance? Koku is not a Reggie so doesn't need yellow substance. Neither does Yuna, nor Izanami as they are cloned from the skeletons of the Gods, whilst Reggies are different. |
ButadonMeitantei said: wait Izanami wasn't a reggie? How come? I thought all of them were except for Kuko and Yunazoderos said: If Minatsuki was the special one all along, who didn't reject the implants(namely Koku's eye), why Koku also didn't reject the implants and didn't need to use the yellow substance? Koku is not a Reggie so doesn't need yellow substance. Neither does Yuna, nor Izanami as they are cloned from the skeletons of the Gods, whilst Reggies are different. |
Raz1515 said: wait Izanami wasn't a reggie? How come? I thought all of them were except for Kuko and Yuna Kuko, Yuna and Izanami were all clones of the Gods. Remember how Keith told about a scripture written in the tablet that said the Black King got his two maidens, killed one of them to become one with them, and then loved the other, or something like that? Well the maidens were obviously Gods too, the one he loved being Yuna, the one who sacrificed herself was Izanami. EDIT: After all all the reggies at the research facility, apart from Minatsuki and his 'phantom', were slaughtered. |
ButadonMeitantei said: then what does that make that kid that apparently died and gave his arm to Kuko but appeared in the after credits (forgot his name) cause he was like we shouldn't have left the job for a reggie, so he's not one either?Raz1515 said: wait Izanami wasn't a reggie? How come? I thought all of them were except for Kuko and Yuna Kuko, Yuna and Izanami were all clones of the Gods. Remember how Keith told about a scripture written in the tablet that said the Black King got his two maidens, killed one of them to become one with them, and then loved the other, or something like that? Well the maidens were obviously Gods too, the one he loved being Yuna, the one who sacrificed herself was Izanami. EDIT: After all all the reggies at the research facility, apart from Minatsuki and his 'phantom', were slaughtered. |
| This was..something. It was okay, not good, not great. The animation was stellar throughout the series and the action, while in my opinion unnecessary, was also very good for what it was worth. I really did not get the plot, probably because I watched the first six episodes while I was very tired and had a headache but I think I was able to get the gist of it. The designs were also good but also nothings you have not seen before. The ending theme was also neat. One of the problems were the weak characters beyond Keith and Gilbert. I really did not care about anyone else and they all seemed so generic, especially Koku. The villains also weren't very interesting or compelling (except Gilbert as I mentioned above). It also reminded me f Naruto and its dreadful obsession with eyes. This is a show I will need to rewatch before the second season comes out because I really feel like I missed a lot of thing. As it stands I am going to give this one a 6. Definitely not a bad show but also not great. |
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| so the sequel will be battle between Koku and Kirisame then nice that Gilbert is dead but Market Maker is still an alive organization for now its nice that Koku X Yuna and Keith X Lily are alive and well |
| Juggling between a murder mystery and a fantasy action series didn't work too well with this show. It felt like a mix of Sherlock, The Dark Knight, Eden of the East, and any generic urban fantasy series. They left it open for a second season, so it'll be interesting to see if it actually garners enough interest to illicit one. |
| This was the best produced original show I've seen in a while. I enjoyed it to be honest. The consistency of the animation was really nice, the character designs were superb, the directing was great, the setting and the backgrounds were very beautiful and super memorable at some points. It was pretty easy to get attached to the more important characters, they're quite cool. Keith Flick is my type of bad-ass, so I really enjoyed his character throughout the entire process, his seiyuu did a great job. That was totally a teaser for a sequel at the end and I don't mind, I do think this is one of the better self contained short 12 episode stories in anime, but when it finished I did think to myself, man, I wish this were longer, I want to see more of these characters. Whatever this sequel is going to be, I hope it actually comes and Netflix gives me confidence that we will see more of this franchise. 8/10 |
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Raz1515 said: then what does that make that kid that apparently died and gave his arm to Kuko but appeared in the after credits (forgot his name) cause he was like we shouldn't have left the job for a reggie, so he's not one either? Nope. The fact Kirisame had a blade-arm signifies he's not just a reggie, and was one of the 13 resurrected Gods also |
| Shocked to see this series setting up a sequel to be honest. Kirisame being alive was also a shock and I'm interested to see how he faked his own death. iirc, Koku cut his left arm and he saw his body lying there in the snow. Keith was the best character of this show, easily. I wish Lily was handled differently tbh. The trope of a main character being similar to a past important character is overused. This show reminded me a lot of Psycho Pass in some ways. |
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| its interesting that the idea of endless cycle of death and rebirth made Gilbert stay sane and justify all the killing he has done though, but damn what a sick character he is |
| I finished this show in a single setting, which due to my short attention span, is in and of itself an impressive feat for any show. The music was great, and the animation was freaking beautiful. I also enjoyed the way they show the characters' thoughts, with text popping up around them even as other characters talk. It can be a little confusing to track but it was a nice visual aspect. Unfortunately any emotional impact this story could've had was ruined by the complete lack of backstory. We got a few flashbacks but those weren't nearly enough for me to sympathize with any of the main characters. Kokuu's character design was very cool but I literally cared nothing about the kid--and he did what Kaji Yuki's characters tend to, alternate between ice prince and screaming/raging angsty kid. The "worst semi-important character" role has to go to Yuna, whose character pissed me off. She was strong enough to fight against Kokuu in the beginning but after she gets her memories back she's as useless as a rag doll. She lets herself get strangled by that fake Minatsuki reggie, and then she's just hanging by her wrists for a few hours before she gets stabbed, the whole time insisting that Kokuu's going to save her. Bitch, save yourself. Literally the only reason she exists is so that Kokuu has something to scream about. @Some people talking about Izanami's gender: 99.9% positive it's a dude. There was a scene where he's running after Kokuu, and I saw man cleavage. OVERALL: An extremely generous 7/10. 6/10 doesn't feel right but no way this is an 8/10. I'll still watch the sequel though so good job Netflix. Also: Of course she's alive. I'm not complaining about a happy ending though. But Kokuu's hair went back to black again? What is this, Tokyo Ghoul? |
PknoctisMar 3, 2018 7:44 AM
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| This was pretty cool *.* There will be another season? That scenes after credits give chances for this :) |
Pknoctis said: I finished this show in a single setting, which due to my short attention span, is in and of itself an impressive feat for any show. The music was great, and the animation was freaking beautiful. I also enjoyed the way they show the characters' thoughts, with text popping up around them even as other characters talk. It can be a little confusing to track but it was a nice visual aspect. Unfortunately any emotional impact this story could've had was ruined by the complete lack of backstory. We got a few flashbacks but those weren't nearly enough for me to sympathize with any of the main characters. Kokuu's character design was very cool but I literally cared nothing about the kid--and he did what Kaji Yuki's characters tend to, alternate between ice prince and screaming/raging angsty kid. The "worst semi-important character" role has to go to Yuna, whose character pissed me off. She was strong enough to fight against Kokuu in the beginning but after she gets her memories back she's as useless as a rag doll. She lets herself get strangled by that fake Minatsuki reggie, and then she's just hanging by her wrists for a few hours before she gets stabbed, the whole time insisting that Kokuu's going to save her. Bitch, save yourself. Literally the only reason she exists is so that Kokuu has something to scream about. @Some people talking about Izanami's gender: 99.9% positive it's a dude. There was a scene where he's running after Kokuu, and I saw man cleavage. OVERALL: An extremely generous 7/10. 6/10 doesn't feel right but no way this is an 8/10. I'll still watch the sequel though so good job Netflix. Also: Of course she's alive. I'm not complaining about a happy ending though. But Kokuu's hair went back to black again? What is this, Tokyo Ghoul? The lack of real backstory bothered me too. But it was only 12 episodes, so it's kinda understandable. Also, I agree that Yuna didn't get enough character development and screen time. She was supposed to be this very important character, but in the end she served only as motivation for Koku to get involved in the plot. I would have really liked if they had explored Koku and Yuna more, but in reality they felt like side main characters to Keith and Lily. The whole anime felt like a Keith vs. Gilbert anime to be honest. Hopefully, if there is a second season, they can patch things up and give us a more well-rounded experience. However, overall it was an enjoyable ride, one of the better original animes I've watched in a while. |
| Mm, this was an entertaining little thriller. I had pretty high expectations going into this, since Netflix started their true anime original line up with an absolute banger last January with Devilman Crybaby. After the first episode, I definitely lowered my expectations. It was pretty rushed and bloated and the dialogue was also bleh. It started getting better later though and I especially like the middle episodes and the plot twists in the second half. The flashback episode (the sixth one, I believe) has to be my favorite. The anime's weakest link is by far the characters. Lots of underdeveloped characters that really could have used at least some characterization. Like Yuna. She could hardly be called a character and was killed twice. They could gave just properly killed her off the first time and nothing would have changed in the story. Ah well, at least the story and action was really cool. It was definitely a very enjoyable ride. 7/10 |
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| I was a bit sceptical at the beginning, but i really liked this in the end. OST was awesome, pacing was okay. Could use some more backstory on few things, but mayby if there is another season :) |
Daniel_Naumov said: This was foam, I convulsed after trying to asses what exactly am I supposed to feel after it... And then Kirisame (as expected) rolled in. So I decided to stop convulsing. Another story of Chaos and insanity... and a Harmony's genius who lost to a madman? Well done Lily your attempt at redeeming Gilbert made it proportionally more tragic, as always. I used to hate Netflix. If they would just stop doing valueless western crap and helped great minds and souls with animation, I would like to stop hating on them. Looking forward to whatever that twist that pierced the the storyroof was hinting at impressive troll accounts under this anime, i guess netflix stuff is popular and hated at the same level |
| I liked it, good way to spend my day off binging this. Though I feel like the Koku plot line was the weak link of the story and I was never really too invested in either him or Yuna. Keith was great though and I liked Lily. I wouldn't mind a S2. |
| Not a bad show tbh. It wasn't great, of course, but it definitely wasn't horrible, and I liked what I saw. A second season seemed to be teased at the end, and if it could be anything like this, I guess I wouldn't object to it. Some issues I had with this was, for starters, how obvious it was to figure out who the main antagonist was. Part of the intrigue of mystery shows like this one is constantly guessing who could be the villain, but the end of episode 7 basically gave it away, which makes the eventual reveal underwhelming. However, a twist I didn't see coming was how the blond "Minatsuki" wasn't actually Minatsuki, but instead, the sunglasses guy was Minatsuki. Also, the characters, aside from Keith and Gilbert, weren't too memorable. They got their fair share of screen time but I didn't really care for them, for me it was more like "oh yeah, they exist." Plus, I think this show could have fared just as well without Koku's part of the story, I was way more invested in Keith's part of the story. Despite some of the problems I had with this show, the audiovisual presentation was amazing, as expected from Production IG. And most importantly, I was entertained, and that's all I ask for. 6.5/10, but I'll be generous and bump that to a 7. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
zoderos said: Yeah I get what you mean, the flashy parts were all Kokuu, but the heart of the story felt like it belonged to Keith and Gilbert (who did turn out to be the "big bad guy" in the end). 12 episodes def weren't enough to tell this story in the meaningful way it could have.Pknoctis said: I finished this show in a single setting, which due to my short attention span, is in and of itself an impressive feat for any show. The music was great, and the animation was freaking beautiful. I also enjoyed the way they show the characters' thoughts, with text popping up around them even as other characters talk. It can be a little confusing to track but it was a nice visual aspect. Unfortunately any emotional impact this story could've had was ruined by the complete lack of backstory. We got a few flashbacks but those weren't nearly enough for me to sympathize with any of the main characters. Kokuu's character design was very cool but I literally cared nothing about the kid--and he did what Kaji Yuki's characters tend to, alternate between ice prince and screaming/raging angsty kid. The "worst semi-important character" role has to go to Yuna, whose character pissed me off. She was strong enough to fight against Kokuu in the beginning but after she gets her memories back she's as useless as a rag doll. She lets herself get strangled by that fake Minatsuki reggie, and then she's just hanging by her wrists for a few hours before she gets stabbed, the whole time insisting that Kokuu's going to save her. Bitch, save yourself. Literally the only reason she exists is so that Kokuu has something to scream about. @Some people talking about Izanami's gender: 99.9% positive it's a dude. There was a scene where he's running after Kokuu, and I saw man cleavage. OVERALL: An extremely generous 7/10. 6/10 doesn't feel right but no way this is an 8/10. I'll still watch the sequel though so good job Netflix. Also: Of course she's alive. I'm not complaining about a happy ending though. But Kokuu's hair went back to black again? What is this, Tokyo Ghoul? The lack of real backstory bothered me too. But it was only 12 episodes, so it's kinda understandable. Also, I agree that Yuna didn't get enough character development and screen time. She was supposed to be this very important character, but in the end she served only as motivation for Koku to get involved in the plot. I would have really liked if they had explored Koku and Yuna more, but in reality they felt like side main characters to Keith and Lily. The whole anime felt like a Keith vs. Gilbert anime to be honest. Hopefully, if there is a second season, they can patch things up and give us a more well-rounded experience. However, overall it was an enjoyable ride, one of the better original animes I've watched in a while. |
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| It was a good final,nothing spectacular,just good. The only thing which really bothered me was Gilbert,think they should have started to flesh him out sooner. Sure,that would have been at the cost of the suspense and mystery factor,but I prefered it that way. Big pro of this show were definitely the technical aspects and the theme song is just brilliant. All in all a I had a lot of fun with this and it was easy to binge. Think a 7 is more appropriate than a 6,therefore 7/10 |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Gilbert is a psychopath (impaired empathy and no regrets) im glad we got villain characters like that and not the usual the villains are not totally the bad guys after all cliche |
| If the characters weren't so flat, maybe I could actually have given a damn about anything happening on-screen. The cliffhanger ending is a borderline meme. 3/10, here's to hoping other netflix shows aren't as mindnumbingly boring. |
| Better than I expected out of Netflix to be honest. They needed more episodes to elaborate on these giant philosophical, psychological, and mythological concepts they were trying to pass on. They did decent but it just felt empty by the end of the show. Other than that it was alright I guess. Looked great. But it should when you have a massive company like Netflix backing you. |
| That was quite a thrilling ride :) I really enjoyed it. It's been awhile since I've marathoned ~8 episodes of one anime in a day, but this anime definitely kept me watching. What made the series interesting imo was that there was quite a lot going on, mainly, 2 stories that came together in the end. But at the same time, it was because of this that the ending didn't feel like a closed ending for these 12 episodes (before the possible sequel teasing scene). We weren't able to truly be invested in Kokuu's side of things, although I did find his and the resurrected gods' backstory to be interesting. Perhaps a sequel would change that, but in this series, Kokuu as a character felt a bit 1 dimensional. However, he felt more "real" in the earlier episodes, with his ability to play and fix the violin. Later on, his character was reduced to his goal of saving Yuna...no character growth or development... Also, the country has got me intrigued, there's a lot that could be fleshed out regarding the setting that just wasn't able to be done in the 12 episodes with so much going on. I'm guessing once again that this is because they have a sequel planned. If only we know for sure there is a sequel, then some things could be forgiven. It would make more sense then that this was actually a set-up for what they teased at the end, with the Kirisame and the government's(?) true motive. I did like how the conflict between Keith and Gilbert played out. While Kokuu and Yuna had a happy ending (for now) and were able to defy fate, Keith was not. Gilbert's "script" was perfect, everyone was manipulated to force Keith to kill Gilbert. Seriously fucked up how Gilbert made this as an experiment to see if people could really stick to their most important principles. He was happy to see that Keith could do something he loathed, but one thing that didn't really come to my mind was Lily's hypothesis of Gilbert wanting Keith to end Gilbert's madness. Might be both. Back to Kirisame, I liked him in the flashback. He and the few others brought Kokuu to bed when Kokuu got knocked out, and then he protected Kokuu. But after that scene at the end, I'm unsure what to think of him. Maybe he doesn't have any ill feelings towards Kokuu, and only wants his arm back (well and other things...)? After all, Kirisame wasn't the one to tell Kokuu that Kokuu can take his arm. I wonder if he was already part of this plan back when they were kids, or maybe it was only after he became conscious. Hmmm. Anyways, overall, I thought it the series was solid, main plot wise, which is Keith vs. Gilbert. Keith was a well-written character, on the other hand though, Gilbert's character development was mainly through dialogue in the last two episodes (or was it just the monologue in this episode). I also loved the main theme, as expected of Ike Yoshihiro. The ED song is also great, also as expected of the vocal of Man with a Mission. And of course, Production IG and their polished visuals and animation. I'm also in love with Nakazawa's character designs for this and Zankyou no Terror. I'm definitely up for a sequel, with hopes that the plot will be tighter and our main characters given more character growth/development/depth. I really like the overall tone of the series, and I always welcome more police-mysteries. Would the potential sequel have the RIS being this involved in the plot again though? |
tingyMar 4, 2018 12:57 AM
Daniel_Naumov said: FMmatron said: It was a good final,nothing spectacular,just good. The only thing which really bothered me was Gilbert,think they should have started to flesh him out sooner. Sure,that would have been at the cost of the suspense and mystery factor,but I prefered it that way. Big pro of this show were definitely the technical aspects and the theme song is just brilliant. All in all a I had a lot of fun with this and it was easy to binge. Think a 7 is more appropriate than a 6,therefore 7/10 Well to be honest it was an ultimate conclusion out of all characters there were. Should have started with Gilbert lying to Keith. Also, if you carefully examine the ending, you will see their silhouettes and respective clothes when two men are drawing aim "at each other". Considering no one else wore lab coats in the series, well, you get the idea. It is all about if the viewer is able to decipher all the foreshadowing and Chekhov' guns. It was obvious.I suspected Gilbert already during half time of this show. and the lack of other suspects made it even more obvious. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| It felt like I was watching two animes in one. I was expecting a mess, but I enjoyed it plenty. Could've been far better tho. |
FMmatron said: Lol I actually suspected the guy the moment he first appeared. Daniel_Naumov said: Well to be honest it was an ultimate conclusion out of all characters there were. Should have started with Gilbert lying to Keith. Also, if you carefully examine the ending, you will see their silhouettes and respective clothes when two men are drawing aim "at each other". Considering no one else wore lab coats in the series, well, you get the idea. It is all about if the viewer is able to decipher all the foreshadowing and Chekhov' guns. It was obvious.I suspected Gilbert already during half time of this show. and the lack of other suspects made it even more obvious. The color schemes in this show make it too obvious. Keith wears a black suit with a white dress shirt under it = may look guilty on the surface but is innocent/good on the inside. Gilbert wears a white lab coat on the outside but black on the inside = looks innocent on the surface but is guilty/evil on the inside. |
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