| Arguments: # Men are far more egoistical # Men are more arrogant # Men are less caring # Men are far more sure of themselves # Men more often feel the need to prove themselves and their manhood # Men objectivy women, the reverse is hardly true # Men have suppressed and pretty much enslaved women throughout cultures in history # All wars are essentially started by men # Men tend to be more self-centred # They don't help in the household, regardless if both parties have a job # If men like men, they tend to become even more annoying, of women like women, they tend to gain the fields most women lack in that men possess # Nigh all crimes and certainly those of violence and rape are done by men # Women generally know when to quit it when you don't like it, and usually don't even take the first step, men can be quite a bugger to make clear that you're not interested So indeed, I would consider myself misandrist, most if not all of my friends are female. Discuss. |
| And that is why I'll never marry a man. |
| Peace through Superior Firepower! formosan said: Are you using some kind of advanced logic I don't know about? Have you decided to assign new meanings to English words? Are you just intentionally burning a straw man and knowing full well that you're changing the subject and misrepresenting a claim? |
| We are just horrible creatures! Half the stuff you stated are opinions and pretty false at that. Sounds like you watch to much T.V. |
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khorven said: Arguments: # Men are far more egoistical # Men are more arrogant # Men are less caring # Men are far more sure of themselves # Men more often feel the need to prove themselves and their manhood # Men objectivy women, the reverse is hardly true # Men have suppressed and pretty much enslaved women throughout cultures in history # All wars are essentially started by men # Men tend to be more self-centred # They don't help in the household, regardless if both parties have a job # If men like men, they tend to become even more annoying, of women like women, they tend to gain the fields most women lack in that men possess # Nigh all crimes and certainly those of violence and rape are done by men # Women generally know when to quit it when you don't like it, and usually don't even take the first step, men can be quite a bugger to make clear that you're not interested So indeed, I would consider myself misandrist, most if not all of my friends are female. Discuss. OMG!!!! He is back. RUN PEOPLE RUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!! |
| Better to judge on an individual basis even if the stereotypes are mostly true; etc. But if I had friends they would be female, so I'm one to talk, eh? |
| Men lead there life by there cock.. Thats all that drives them8-) Nah I kid, I don't care if my friends are male or female, aslong as I like them as a person, why would sex make a differnce... x |
tiamat21 said: Haha, you said it. They often seem to be thinking with the wrong head.Men lead there life by there cock. unrelated I wish I was a man sometimes (at least to know what it feels like). I wonder if I would ever want to go back to being a woman... It's be cool if I was a shape shifter! I could be a man one day, a woman the next and a bird when I feel like it. |
hikky said: Yap, I'm actually gender blind, that's why I realized only lately that funnily nigh all of my friends seem to be female. I have no sense of pattern recognition by the way.. so.Better to judge on an individual basis even if the stereotypes are mostly true; etc. It's just quite funny to see that almost all crimes are indeed done by men, and especially violent crimes. If you can hate subcultures or faiths based on crime ratings, then surely you can hate men for them. |
khorven said: do you think it's psychological (set in the minds of men by nature) or mostly influenced by societyIt's just quite funny to see that almost all crimes are indeed done by men, and especially violent crimes. If you can hate subcultures or faiths based on crime ratings, then surely you can hate men for them. |
astronomical said: Seeing that this was the case in almost all societies throughout history, the nature factor seems to be indeed very prominent.khorven said: do you think it's psychological (set in the minds of men by nature) or mostly influenced by societyIt's just quite funny to see that almost all crimes are indeed done by men, and especially violent crimes. If you can hate subcultures or faiths based on crime ratings, then surely you can hate men for them. |
| Elevated levels of testosterone compared to women, maybe? I don't really know any of this myself, so I'm just throwing this out there as a random guess. By the way, first the thread with the experiments being done to artificially create semen, and now this. Is MAL trying to say something? |
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| Oh lawl generalization. |
| while some of that maybe true for some, you are saying women don't objectify men? that is hardly true at all now is it. |
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| # Men are less caring # Men are far more sure of themselves # Men more often feel the need to prove themselves and their manhood # Men have suppressed and pretty much enslaved women throughout cultures in history # All wars are essentially started by men # If men like men, they tend to become even more annoying, of women like women, they tend to gain the fields most women lack in that men possess # Nigh all crimes and certainly those of violence and rape are done by men True. |
| Men have a lot of functions that no other creature can fill. I liek them. |
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ladyxzeus said: Cucumber, heated pillow, brick walls can hit you too.Men have a lot of functions that no other creature can fill. I liek them. |
khorven said: ladyxzeus said: Cucumber, heated pillow, brick walls can hit you too.Men have a lot of functions that no other creature can fill. I liek them. But they can't fix stuff or change tires. |
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| Cars would not be needed without men. |
Vagabond said: This.Elevated levels of testosterone compared to women, maybe? I don't really know any of this myself, so I'm just throwing this out there as a random guess. Egoism, arrogance and pretty much all the other things khorven sums up can be attributed to a combination of this and sociological factors that have originally been brought on by this. But it's still a generalization, and there are plenty of women who could fit many of those as well, and as gender roles are becoming less rigid, they will only increase. Gender roles have little place in modern societies anyways. |
| # Men are far more egoistical Nah, I've seen it equally in both genders. # Men are more arrogant Nope again. BS knows no gender. # Men are less caring Nope again. It depends on what is being cared about. # Men are far more sure of themselves Nope again. Macho is more a form of insecurity. # Men more often feel the need to prove themselves and their manhood Nope again. No more than woman need proof of their womanhood. # Men objectivy women, the reverse is hardly true Nope again. Women like to be noticed just as much. # Men have suppressed and pretty much enslaved women throughout cultures in history Ask a Muslim woman if she'd give up her Burkha, the answer will surprise you. Ask a woman if she'd like to do all the fighting, you get an interesting reply. # All wars are essentially started by men Nope again, see above comment. # Men tend to be more self-centred Nope, I could even say women are worse at this. Ever had trouble finding the men's department for all the womens departments in a store? # They don't help in the household, regardless if both parties have a job Nope, actually most of the women I know more or less are self admitted slobs. And I do most of the housework in my home. # If men like men, they tend to become even more annoying, of women like women, they tend to gain the fields most women lack in that men possess Try to read your own sentences slower. They'll make more sense. # Nigh all crimes and certainly those of violence and rape are done by men Nope, men being men simple refuse to admit to it when it happens to them. # Women generally know when to quit it when you don't like it, and usually don't even take the first step, men can be quite a bugger to make clear that you're not interested Nope again. This might be acceptable if we are ONLY talking about sex. But otherwise women can be just as stubborn and pig headed. I get the impression you are both a inexperienced teen, and most certainly have not been married before. |
| While not technically anime, currently I am a big fan of Hatsune Miku. At least I can go see her in concert. |
| For the interested, I also suggest you goggle the term Misandrism. Eseentially it is just the simple hatred of men. I suppose it's not illogical though. Women do seem to get the short end of the stick in a lot of cases. In some of those cases though, they are their own worse enemy. Take for instance my comment on Muslim females. For every oppressed Muslim female, you can find countless scores of them that wouldn't have it any other way. If they refuse to change, and feel it is the proper way of things, who is really to blame? |
| While not technically anime, currently I am a big fan of Hatsune Miku. At least I can go see her in concert. |
| I don't hate men, I don't hate many universals, only particulars. Sukunai said: Take for instance my comment on Muslim females. For every oppressed Muslim female, you can find countless scores of them that wouldn't have it any other way. If they refuse to change, and feel it is the proper way of things, who is really to blame? There's nothing to blame there is there? If anyone, yourself, for wanting them not to be as they want to be, if you do so. |
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| I really don't agree with a lot of those. The majority of my friends are male, in fact I only have hand full... if even female friends. # Men more often feel the need to prove themselves and their manhood- Umm, feminism? I know you're trying to make the world better for women but just face it some things we just physically can't do. # Men objectivy women, the reverse is hardly true - I know tons of men who have been objectified by their girlfriends/wifes... it's sort of depressing. # All wars are essentially started by men - That's somewhat unfair considering world leaders all history have been men. # Men tend to be more self-centred - Haha, do men spend hours in the bathroom grooming them selves, putting on make-up, painting their nails, taking half hour long showers, straightening/curling their hair... I don't think so. # They don't help in the household, regardless if both parties have a job - My friends boyfriend is the only one who does the cleaning and cooking, my friend does jacksh**. # If men like men, they tend to become even more annoying, of women like women, they tend to gain the fields most women lack in that men possess - ... Ha! # Women generally know when to quit it when you don't like it, and usually don't even take the first step, men can be quite a bugger to make clear that you're not interested - This just isn't true, I've been hit on by women before who just couldn't understand that I was not a lesbian and I know men who get pretty much stocked by women. As a wise man (a guy who sat across from me in writing last term) once said, "We are not pieces of meat." Some people should give them more credit... not all of them are rapists or pigheaded pricks. |
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khorven said: Arguments: # Men are far more egoistical # Men are more arrogant # Men are less caring # Men are far more sure of themselves # Men more often feel the need to prove themselves and their manhood # Men objectivy women, the reverse is hardly true # Men have suppressed and pretty much enslaved women throughout cultures in history # All wars are essentially started by men # Men tend to be more self-centred # They don't help in the household, regardless if both parties have a job # If men like men, they tend to become even more annoying, of women like women, they tend to gain the fields most women lack in that men possess # Nigh all crimes and certainly those of violence and rape are done by men # Women generally know when to quit it when you don't like it, and usually don't even take the first step, men can be quite a bugger to make clear that you're not interested I find that, in my personal position, that most of the negatives of both women and men are helped to be created by gender roles. Of course, men put these gender roles into play however through patriarchy. Essentially, it's all men's fault in the end, or 90% men's fault in the end. And sometimes still helped by both men and women in current society for patriarchy and double standards to exist. Looks being seen as more of a value for women than men: Men's fault. Money and power being seen as more of a value for men than women: Men's fault. Physical ability being seen as more of a value for men than women: Men's fault. Virginity/Chastity being seen as more of a value for men than women: Men's fault. The list goes on and on. I do think you can also place a responsibility on modern and even some historical women for believing so strongly in patriarchy and gender roles as well. Women could be stronger as well many times, and it's not just men's fault. Even if it's initially men's fault. More women should have the courage to take initiative, not care about their chastity, pursue money and power of their prideful working means, instead of seeking a wealthy partner, seek athleticism, and so on and so forth. Sadly though, I can only blame people so much for not going against gender roles. It take a strong, Übermensch person to go against them. |
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ukonkivi said: Gender roles have not consciously been created in most cases though, they have all come from evolution more or less, especially the mating preferences that you list.Looks being seen as more of a value for women than men: Men's fault. Money and power being seen as more of a value for men than women: Men's fault. Physical ability being seen as more of a value for men than women: Men's fault. Virginity/Chastity being seen as more of a value for men than women: Men's fault. The list goes on and on. I do think you can also place a responsibility on modern and even some historical women for believing so strongly in patriarchy and gender roles as well. Women could be stronger as well many times, and it's not just men's fault. Even if it's initially men's fault. More women should have the courage to take initiative, not care about their chastity, pursue money and power of their prideful working means, instead of seeking a wealthy partner, seek athleticism, and so on and so forth. |
| I don't think gender roles are all followed out consciously. But I do believe they are mostly created by culture. Also, that so called "biological path", to whatever degree it exists, would take a different route if we steered culture in a more egalitarian direction. Whatever the biological degree, I am still a postgenderist. But I do believe it is mostly culture. And mostly created by men who's gender role was to dominate and control society. |
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| I believe gender roles were created due to the biological differences between both genders. After all, women do work less because of phsyological reasons which is why long ago, labor used to be restricted to men. Enterprises needed more productivity because they needed to double up the profits. |
| We evolved from a Patriarchal animal. And from then, our evolution still continued to take a patriarchal direction. However, that does not mean this is the way things have to be. Or the direction we have to steer ourselves. In fact, I find it quite disgusting for things to stay such a way. Also, there's just as much argument to say that blacks are not as evolved for intelligence as whites. If female physical ability, social dominance, and so on and so forth is suppressed, while why male physical ability, social dominance, and so on and so forth is praised. Natural selection and evolution will select for males and females with progressively more and more of these traits. But as you can see there, society has steering effect on evolution. Things do not have to "always" be the way they have been. Just as Blacks with Negroid shaped skulls will ALWAYS be less intelligent than whites, even though it might take several thousand years for women to catch up fully to men in terms of physical ability and blacks to catch up to whites in terms of intelligence. Biological differences are also created by gender roles. |
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| Biological differences are made by gender roles? Gender roles is a term created by the media to help increase the number of female workers in the work force and raise the productivity and profits just as I said. By biological differences I meant, period, cramping and pregnancy. How on earth are those gender roles? Do I cramp because it's in my culture to cramp? |
| The only point I really agree with is the crime one, because you can't really argue with that. However, there are an increasing number of women committing crimes. The points on patriarchal society are valid too, I guess, but that is slowly changing. Very slowly. I see no point in generalising, especially with such outdated generalisations. I do think women have the tendency to be more caring, but that is not to say that men are uncaring. |
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Rebella said: Biological differences are made by gender roles? Culture helps shape evolution in humans. To what degree racial and sexual differences in humans is shaped by biology, and is shaped by culture is disputable. But it's my opinion that it is mostly culture anyway. And any things in humans that can be labeled within the realm of evolutionary psychology are easily malleable by culture. It is not set in stone, evolutionary psychology, and many so called "biological differences". Rebella said: Gender roles is a term created by the media to help increase the number of female workers in the work force and raise the productivity and profits just as I said. lolwat? Rebella said: By biological differences I meant, period, cramping and pregnancy. How on earth are those gender roles? Those things hold very little gender weight in the scheme of things. They do not create heavy or macrocosm gender roles. In fact gender roles related to these things are due to cultural interpretations of what they things mean. So if that's what you meant by biological differences, then you presented a poor biological case for the gender roles you blamed on biology. |
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Ragnarokkr said: We are just horrible creatures! Half the stuff you stated are opinions and pretty false at that. Sounds like you watch to much T.V. LOL that really cracked me up. Yes it does. Seems to need to get out there, grow up and mature some and realize EACH person, no matter the gender can have some stereotypical traits, but each INDIVIDUAL should be judged on their own merits. How silly the one's prejudiced against a certain group. It would be like saying, I wouldn't marry someone just because they are black, or Asian or blonde haired, based on some biased and prejudiced ideas other people have said. |
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| So the cultures that created gender roles didn't base it on biological differences? Let's not be naive, cultures base gender roles on biological difference and not hate towards women. Few cultures supressed women and stripped them off their rights due to belifes such as women being lower than men and that was because of biological differences too. In some cultures, women are considered dirty beings because they have period and not because men were born in those cultures thinking" you know what? Let's hate women! Since they're weak! Let's pick on them!" No. You can call it ignorance on their part. Women have period not because they're dirty but because this is how they get pregnant XDDD Same goes for racism, even though black people are physically superior to white people, colonists made it seem as if they were inferior and they enslaved them because they ARE physically more powerful because they felt threatened by their power. |
| Or it could be that they valued intelligence more. Physical prowess is seen as more animalistic and mental ability more humanistic by humans. Because we see physical ability as what we hold similar to other animals, and mental ability as what we hold different. This is why black people were so heavily compared to monkeys, and people still believe in the out of Africa theory even though it's taboo now to call black people monkeys. So then you're a biological determinist on both counts, and embrace racialism. I don't care if misogyny has a biological component, it's still misogyny. And also, basing gender roles on biological differences such as having a period, is as you described, ignorance. What you're saying doesn't go against that women have been hated due to culture. Nor that women have been hated. It only argues that men responded to physical, reproductive differences between the sexes with ignorant hate and misogyny and gave them meanings they did not have. That only shows in my favor that gender differences are cultural instead of biological. You've basically explained WHY it's culture instead of against it. |
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| I'm telling you the bottom line of it. No culture hates for the love of hating. All was because of misconceptions about other gender/race/ethnic group/people who follow a religion and this still happens btw. You're trying to say that there are people who hate just for the fact they can hate and I'm telling you that throughout history, women were supressed and people were enslaved and tortured due to false belifes and wrong misconceptions which the majority of them were based on biological differences. If you run into a sexist or a racist, he/she won't tell you that they hate and that's it, they will try to justify their hate. |
Rebella said: You're trying to say that there are people who hate just for the fact they can hate No I'm not. |
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| No, just no. |
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khorven said: Arguments: # Women are far more egoistical # Women are more arrogant # Women are less caring # Women are far more sure of themselves # Women more often feel the need to prove themselves and their manhood # Women objectivy women, the reverse is hardly true # Women have suppressed and pretty much enslaved women throughout cultures in history # All wars are essentially started by Women # Women tend to be more self-centred # They don't help in the household, regardless if both parties have a job # If men like men, they tend to become even more annoying, of women like women, they tend to gain the fields most women lack in that men possess # Men generally know when to quit it when you don't like it, and usually don't even take the first step, men can be quite a bugger to make clear that you're not interested So indeed, I would consider myself misandrist, most if not all of my friends are female. Discuss. thing is its sexist bullshit no metter which way you spin it fucking retarded no less that what i would expect from a khorven post by now So indeed, I would consider myself misandrist, most if not all of my friends are female. Discuss. me too and yet i find them to be not as stupid as you make them out to be so i have to doubt that what you are saying is true or you would know that women dont actualy think like that as a majority. its sexist bullshit. the only thing that different between men and women is a vagina and a penis their people just as capable of being retarded as the rest it all depend on who you hang out with. you sound like a fag so they must be fag hags LOLOLOLOL |
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Legend said: the only thing that different between men and women is a vagina and a penis their people just as capable of being retarded as the rest it all depend on who you hang out with. you sound like a fag so they must be fag hags LOLOLOLOL I Lol'd. Also, Misandrism = PMS |
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OZ31 said: Also, Misandrism = PMS Sounds pretty accurate to me. |
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Neverender said: OZ31 said: Also, Misandrism = PMS Sounds pretty accurate to me. why? you on the blob again? youve been pretty moody latley cheer up bro! |
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| Sounds sexist. I hate that |
| Misandrists are usually angry middle-aged women who have gotten rejected by every man they've encountered, and as a result have developed a hatred for them. See? I can make generalizations too! |
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| This is because men are superior. jk. But this thread is full of bullshit. |
Kaiserpingvin said: I don't hate men, I don't hate many universals, only particulars. Sukunai said: Take for instance my comment on Muslim females. For every oppressed Muslim female, you can find countless scores of them that wouldn't have it any other way. If they refuse to change, and feel it is the proper way of things, who is really to blame? There's nothing to blame there is there? If anyone, yourself, for wanting them not to be as they want to be, if you do so. That is so devoid of logic it's amazing. First I couldn't care less if Muslim women want to be property or not. But the fact is, they do not mind being property. And to label it any other way just opens a lot of doors you don't want opened. Next you will be saying 'as long as women don't mind [insert abuse here], it's ok'. |
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| Political correctness political correctness, those points indeed strongly correlate with a penis. I never said I hated all men, in fact, most people would consider me a misogynist until they find out I hate men even more than women and correct it to misandrist. I'd estimate that about 997 of 1000 women I'd like to see dead and about 9994 of 10 000 men. If you ask me tomorrow the numbers will vary slightly though. |
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