| Darn, I just started reading manga online... :( I'd like to thank MyAnimelist Forums for wishing me a Happy Birthday! Thank you! XD |
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Raypture said: Depending on how fast you read you can go through a average volume of manga in less than half an hour. Okay well, what if I said there's more to reading a manga volume than just reading through the text within the bubbles and skimming through the artwork once? |
HypeathonJun 8, 2010 11:22 PM
JusticeGundam said: I remember the days when I had to hop onto IRC and download zip files to read my favorite series. Now it's all streamed. Something is seriously wrong when I type "One Piece" into google, just to get a link from onemanga show up before funis or vizs own section to the series. Those manga streaming sites make money off of ad revenue. When the site owners say it's just so they can have the money to keep the site going, it's a blatant lie. They are making money off of other peoples work, and that's just pathetic. BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *gasp* BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... Wow seriously...... you go around actually thinking this? Damn those streaming manga site sealing google's money gosh darn swindlers! First of all those "streaming sites" like One Manga and Manga Fox actually respect the scanlators so much it's actually sickening, I dunno how many volumes or entire manga series have been pulled off Mangafox and One Manga purely on a scanlators request. On top of that most of the manga on those sites is actually uploaded by the scanlators them selves. Some mighty brain washing must be going on there. and Ad revenue profiting, pfft yea sure, after server costs and that 12 extra bucks is sure lining their fat pockets, but who cares? It's google's money anyways, and google don't give a shit either. But sites like Narutofan and Tazmo's sites need to go down, they steal money from users and steal scanlators work for their own profit. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| Sigh, it's all thanks to the scanlations that many people can get to read manga when they're released in Japan. If it goes... ... I think I'll be kinda sad with all the good stuff gone. :x |
| If they are going to do this, I hope they come up with some legal alternatives. I mean in the UK you can be waiting years for a new volume of a manga to come out. Not to mention the fact I wouldn't have any of the manga I own were it not for scans. |
| And you are wrong. I can find a countless number of scanlators that put a little symbol on every page of their scanlations that represents their group, or an extra page telling people WE SCANLATED IT, THIS IS OURS. They brand someone elses work as their own, and tell other sites not to post their stuff on other sites. *cough*mangastream*cough* Oh, and then they slap an extra page where they tell people to support the creators, just to make people think they care. And yes, they do make money off of it. They have ads so they can take care of all the server costs, but how about all of the extra cash they get? They are making extra dough, how much, I dunno. But I bet they keep it :) And how about that iPhone app thingy? You know, those apps you gotta pay for. Scanlators/streaming sites totally don't(or didn't. I think they took that shit down) make money off of selling that to people. Onemanga has taken down plenty of stuff, sure, but they only did that when told to. If they actually cared, they wouldn't have licensed stuff on their site in the first place. Then they try to act all innocent by saying "SO GUYZ, WE DECIDED TO LISTEN TO THESE GUYS AND TAKE IT DOWN. BUT DON'T WORRY, WE'LL TALK IT OVER AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO." Oh, and even when they took stuff down, it was still on their server. I remember experimenting with this when the Cardcaptors series was taken "off" the site a year or two ago. All I needed to do was add an /01/01 at the end of the series URL, and I can read it. So obviously they listened to the people that licensed the series. *rolls eyes* |
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| First Thought: Oh Snap! Second Thought: I actually want to apply to a Barnes and Nobel around my area for hope that I can start buying manga at what I hope would be equivalent to the average cost in japan for comics. $11 at Barnes and Nobel for Black Lagoon volumes (not including shipping if paying online)~$7 for death note volumes. That would be the only reason why I'd apply there actually - aside from a paycheck of course. I only use onemanga for manga that I know i can't get here yet, ie bakuman (not until august). Otherwise I just try to get the scanlations themselves. |
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georgi said: ESSWHY said: But fuck them if they try to take away un-licensed shit. The way I understand it, most of the companies involved are Japanese publishers. Believe it or not, publishing is hurting there too, and there is no such thing as an un-licensed manga. My guess is they would also try to target raw manga distributors. Yeah cool story bro, I know print media isn't big anymore. That isn't the point I was trying to make. Also, don't be a dick about interpreting what I meant by "un-licensed" If no one is officially putting something out in English, then I don't think they should take it down. Or, for example, if it is being put out in English but some Italians are distributing it in Italian, and there is no official Italian release then they can leave the Italian one up. |
Kirion said: I'll tell you what till happen next, if they succeed. Manga will move to torrents. Like how it was before, amirite? Before streams, all we relied on was torrents, IRC, slow ass DDLs, and MSN groups. Ever since streams came along, it has attracted MORE people into read manga online. If it went back to how it was before, it wouldn't hurt the industry as much because people would be like "Meh, I dont wanna DL this 2 GB torrent when I could've read it online in no time." And then newer generations would learn to buy instead of thinking to themselves, "I can just stream it, lol." |
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| THE INTERNET IS UNSTOPPABLE, U CAN'T WIN AGAINST IT!!!! |
| (>-.-)> d(>.<)b <(-.-<) |
| well its time to make their move cos of the fre scanlations manga business falling xD |
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JusticeGundam said: lol wut? Do you consider it as 'branding'? Do you even know the definition of 'fan-subbing'? They are 'sub-group', and they never infiltrated the original creators, since it is just a simple translation for 'fans'. As you stated, no-one cares about it. Thus, it doesn't matter whether they put their group name in scanlations or not.I can find a countless number of scanlators that put a little symbol on every page of their scanlations that represents their group, or an extra page telling people WE SCANLATED IT, THIS IS OURS. They brand someone elses work as their own, and tell other sites not to post their stuff on other sites. *cough*mangastream*cough* Oh, and then they slap an extra page where they tell people to support the creators, just to make people think they care. And yes, they do make money off of it. They have ads so they can take care of all the server costs, but how about all of the extra cash they get? They are making extra dough, how much, I dunno. But I bet they keep it :) That will only make extra 10 buck, per month. 120 dollars per year. This surely a brilliant amount of income, amiright?Edited: And how about that iPhone app thingy? You know, those apps you gotta pay for. Scanlators/streaming sites totally don't(or didn't. I think they took that shit down) make money off of selling that to people. Making iPhone apps itself COSTs a lot more than you expect. hurr. Onemanga has taken down plenty of stuff, sure, but they only did that when told to. If they actually cared, they wouldn't have licensed stuff on their site in the first place. Then they try to act all innocent by saying "SO GUYZ, WE DECIDED TO LISTEN TO THESE GUYS AND TAKE IT DOWN. BUT DON'T WORRY, WE'LL TALK IT OVER AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO." Oh, and even when they took stuff down, it was still on their server. I remember experimenting with this when the Cardcaptors series was taken "off" the site a year or two ago. All I needed to do was add an /01/01 at the end of the series URL, and I can read it. So obviously they listened to the people that licensed the series. *rolls eyes* Trust me, I know guy who hosts one manga, and it isn't his fault. There are countless amount of scans in that site and it is extremely hard to moderate everything. Plus, anyone who reads scanlation off the site, which includes me, has no justice of saying this is some kind of conspiracy or whatever. |
ringoo4Jun 9, 2010 1:25 AM
| While it is quite surprising on a website full of illiterate prats that, for once, people aren't moaning about being wronged due to them losing their God given right to download/read manga online for free, I think the reason why is pretty simple: manga fans, on average, are smarter than their anime counterparts. Most of the internet generation start with anime, becoming Narutards, and then evolve into superior lifeforms; lifeforms able to do without colour and sound and still derive enjoyment. Most of the morons on this website are those that cry over how Funimation are ruining their ani-may by actually paying for English-speaking people to do voice work, so this thread has escaped much of MAL's idiocy. Moving away from insults and onto the actual topic, this is bad news for those outside of Japan. The fact the Japanese and Americans are teaming up means EVERY manga on the net is technically in danger of being removed from our beloved English translated manga sites. There isn't such a thing as unlicensed manga, and that means pretty much everything is going to go bye-bye from the popular sites sooner or later. Of course, with the internet being the internet, there are always ways to find the goods you desire if you look hard enough, but it isn't going to be anywhere near as convenient as before if sites like OneManga, which allow almost instant reading, go bye-bye. It's the right thing for those who own the titles to protect their titles, though. The only people to blame for this are those who read something, love it, and refuse to pay anything for what they love. People think it's perfectly fine to get quality work for nothing, and that's why this situation is at the stage at is, with license holders trying in desperation to make some money. I always buy manga if it's licensed in English and attainable. Always. And I'm happy to wait for the new releases after catching up--for example, I'm refusing to read beyond V10 of Gantz online. Recently I purchased all eight volumes of Black Lagoon in order to show appreciation for the lovely releases Viz are putting out on the market these days, and I'm currently buying the expensive Yagyu Ninja Scroll releases by Del Rey for the same reason. If more people just paid A LITTLE for manga, rather than being happy pushing manga closer to extinction in the US, there wouldn't be a problem. It isn't as if I buy a HUGE amount. |
| whatever they do, publishers cant do anything about scanlators. The Internet is just too powerful. oh and btw, only DUMB people pay for scanlations. scanlation = made by fans for fans |
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| Here's to the new future: No more scanlations! Yes!!!! More manga imported all over the world! Woo~ I get to buy more manga and the shelves would be happy |
BlackWings said: More manga imported all over the world! Woo~ I get to buy more manga and the shelves would be happy I wouldnt have any problem if that happens. I wish it reaches my country though. |
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| Yes they do.When they scanlate something, they claim it is their own work. They tell others not to host it on any other sites, etc. That's them claiming, someone elses art is their own. (Using mangastream as an example) Since it technically isn't theirs, they have no right in telling anyone else what to do with it. Did Kubo Tite give these people permission to claim his own work as their own? No. The same thing goes for translators. There are many out there that tell people to give them credit if they use their trans. Once again, those guys are trying to get credit from someone else work. If they were actually good fans, they wouldn't want to have silly internet fame, or their names in the credits. When I watch a fansub, or read a scanlation, they tell us who translates something, who cleans, encodes, etc. NEVER, do I see them translate the animators, the editors, and all of the other people that worked on said series. If they were good supportive fans, they would translate the credits and all the people who worked on it instead of listing all the people that worked on fansubbing it. You are bending my argument, and I don't appreciate that. Fansubbers talk about being supportive, yet they rather have everyone know who is working on fansubbing said title, than the people that actually created it. Anyone can write "SUPPORT KUBO TITE", that's easy and it deceives others into thinking they care. If they cared, they wouldn't claim a scanlation as their own, and it would be strictly anonymous. That's a profit the last time I checked. :) And of course, I'm not going to believe you. Making an internet site that gets a ton of traffic is a gold mine if you have ad revenue, and people willing to click it(depending on what kind of thing you use. Pay per click, etc etc). It's a get rich quick scheme. If others can make dough doing this, and they do, so can they, and they do. And I know OM gets a lot of traffic. Hell, Funi does the exact same thing. You are bending my argument again about the iPhone app =). The fact that they are trying to make money off of it is disgusting. It doesn't matter how much it takes to make or not. They thought "we can make money off this, let's do it!". They have illegal scans, make an app they can sell, so people can read the scans that don't belong to them. Saying "IT COSTS A LOT TO MAKE AN APP" is a bullshit argument that shouldn't be used in this case. It does not defend them because their goal was to make money off of something that isn't theirs. I don't care if yuno the dood that runs the site. It does not help the sites case in any way, and that is just a silly cop out. When they take something down, they put a silly little notice on it making it sound like they are reluctant to take it down. If they cared, they would delete the series, instead of having a silly "suspended" notice. If it was a mistake on his part, then he would take down any trace of it, since it shouldn't be there in the first place, amirite? |
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| i bet this wont do shit i hope not.... some series take to damn long to come out |
| What I want to see is action. Not warnings. |
| Believe me,,without scanlation and fansubing,,anime and manga will never become popular over the world... I think,,actually they should thank to Scanlation and Fansubing...fans will buy anime or manga goods if they like it,, even though they've already read or watched it... |
IZUMI64Jun 9, 2010 2:30 AM
| but there are no mangas selling in Georgia. what the hell am i gonna do? O_O |
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| @JusticeGundam: Hold on, there are something that is seriously wrong about your sayings. Fansubbers will never ever get credit from what they did, as they cannot earn a single profit (aka cash) from it. That's why it is called 'fan' sub, which implies that it is a 'FREE' translation. Saying 'I translated this anime' is same as claiming 'I am teh creater'? Do you seriously think anyone will take it seriously when someone inserted their name in the sub, when its author is obviously Kubo Tite? Something isn't right there. Even Kubo himself won't care about that. Fansub needs to be anonymous? Exactly why? Claiming ownage of something only applies when they are trying to earn 'MONEY' out of it. Clearly, fansub/scanlaters earn nothing there. Internet fame isn't money. Credit of translating isn't money. Ownership over 'translation' isn't money. Thus, it doesn't matter whether they put their name or not; it's not claiming of ownage, it's only giving a better information on us about 'WHO' translated, thus we can have a better choice of translations among shits. OneManga earns just about the amount that server (which is enormous) pays off; that's the truth.If you choose not to believe me, it's just ignorant of you. Beside, OneManga negotiates with various companies already; if they didn't, they got sued a long time ago. 'OneManga never removes licensed series blah blah blah' all fine. But they still does not make any profit off it. If the restrictions on licensed mangas get harder just a bit more, they will just delete those scans at that time. Til now, none of the publisher companies enforced it. Pity Honestly, it's the publishers fault on this establishment of scanlation paradise. They never cared about these scanlation sites growing; and they are finally trying to restrict at the time when the problem comes with their actual profit. Beside, this kind of stuff falls more into the moral grey area. There are so much dilemmas there. Seriously, before trying to restrict the entire manga scanlation, I will rather try to limit the pre-licensed ones more strictly. I like how people likes to overstate something into Godzilla sized conspiracy. It's not like I supporting profit over scanlation; but it's only a limited amount of faggots who does that. it's just pity for publishers for not doing this earlier. |
ringoo4Jun 9, 2010 4:18 AM
BlackWings said: Here's to the new future: No more scanlations! Yes!!!! More manga imported all over the world! Woo~ I get to buy more manga and the shelves would be happy LOL, hope you enjoy waiting a year for a single volume toph-bei-fong said: but there are no mangas selling in Georgia. what the hell am i gonna do? O_O don't worry buddy, the internet is unstoppable, there's always a way ;) |
RomeodeathsJun 9, 2010 4:19 AM
| (>-.-)> d(>.<)b <(-.-<) |
| Just to touch on this before I have to leave.. Its pretty early in the morning here... Im not saying you guys are wrong.. but this doesnt really seem from what I read in the article like a fight against piracy per say... but it seems like they are going after these sites more on the basis of extortion. Because I thought if it was a matter of piracy an injunction would quickly shut the site down and it would happen in a rather quick manner? Everything Ive read about the RAIA injuncting a site or a p2p program happens almost seemingly instantaneous. |
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| What a joke. YOU CAN'T STOP TEH INTERNET!!! |
ladyxzeus said: It's a good thing folks. Means more books. Means more money rotating around manga. Means more manga with better quality being produced. Means less unemployed people. It's a good thing. I couldn't say it better. If more and more manga is published it means the variety of titles out there goes up, if the industry starts to make a profit we might even see the extortionate prices go down. Although un-licenced manga (I mean this in the same sense as what ESSWHY was saying) needs to be able to stay. A lot of countries don't have the same level of interest in publishing works in their own language like Italian, Finnish etc so they should definitely be allowed to stay. The world shouldn't revolve around English. |
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Hypeathon said: So wait, the people in MAL are actually SUPPORTING and APPROVING this plan?! Either today is opposite day or something funky was put in the rice and lima beans I had for dinner and just didn't realize it. But seriously, when did anyone on MAL care to go hip-hip hooray for this type of news?! I could've sworn the average person on MAL hated anime/manga companies and bitch at them for all sorts of reasons ranging from unfavorable translations to lack of instant media to watch/read on the web at the same time as Japan. lol mte. |
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| We all know how this will end. They say they are doing something about piracy. Then even after all their efforts piracy is still rampant. God's in his heaven, all is right with the world. |
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| manga is so expensive in Brazil ... |
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Takumi_Nishijo said: manga is so expensive in Brazil ... here too :( too bad ... |
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| Even in the English speaking countries manga is also expensive. |
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| Damn, this is bad. |
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| Is this some ACTA ? |
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| In Germany its also very expensive.. But i buy stuff i like and when i cant take a closer look of the new incoming chapter of some manga i like, i doesnt know what to do >.> |
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| I knew this will happen soon or later. As we know it it going to happen to watching anime online and the only website you could watch it on crunchyroll. I do buy manga only If like it by read it on online. Heck there alot of manga are not out in america so I can't buy unto its out. Other then that are we post wait for manga that still isn't licensed? or just go buy it in japanese if only they understand why are saying. |
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LolitaDecay said: ladyxzeus said: It's a good thing folks. Means more books. Means more money rotating around manga. Means more manga with better quality being produced. Means less unemployed people. It's a good thing. I couldn't say it better. If more and more manga is published it means the variety of titles out there goes up, if the industry starts to make a profit we might even see the extortionate prices go down. Although un-licenced manga (I mean this in the same sense as what ESSWHY was saying) needs to be able to stay. A lot of countries don't have the same level of interest in publishing works in their own language like Italian, Finnish etc so they should definitely be allowed to stay. The world shouldn't revolve around English. THIS. How about other countries who only relies on imports since HURRDURR our country doesn't license this kind of shit (or better yet it really doesn't license anything). As much as I want to buy the titles that are licensed, some just doesn't reach our country. You can't expect everybody to have a credit card/paypal of their own and be willing to pay the excessively ridiculous shipping fee and IMPORT tax. If they want to stop this badly, make their product available worldwide. |
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| this is all bullshit |
alexcampos said: What a joke. YOU CAN'T STOP TEH INTERNET!!! ya like they can stop scanlators |
| Time to take this back underground. |
| Well evidently you don't need the internet because there are plenty of businesses who don't use it and are doing fine. Why on earth do people even want to get rid of print media? A book in your hand is better than an internet copy. I don't know if it's the literature student in me but it'll be a sad day when books go out of print and can only be accessed via the internet. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way either. |
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| This really isn't going to stop scanlators, OneManga and Mangafox are host sites anyway for scanlating groups to put up their work it won't stop them from simply zipping that shit up and putting up a torrent for it =/ Silly publishers. |
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