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LadyOrihime said: I read it...but I didn't see anything that tells what illness Kaori had (unless is was the aging thing?), nor why she looks exactly like Meiko :0/ Her illness was the 'aging thing'...there was nothing else. Well considering that in a few years she will have the body of a 70 year old, I think that's bad enough. The Mieko double thing was really just a plot device to mislead the reader...in the anime it didn't work because we knew straight away that he had seen Mieko's bloody corpse. Wuppie said: I really feel like writing a fan ending now.. It's end could've been so much better.. Believe me, the VN is much better. |
Waiting for: God Eater (PSP) 私が、探偵だからよ。 |
Wuppie said: Please do write the fan ending.......I would read it just to forget this sorry crap end....I really feel like writing a fan ending now.. It's end could've been so much better.. seizonsha said: Unless the VN goes into PC...I don't think I have a interest in PSP just to play it.....it won't even be in French nor English and I don't feel like investing time to learn Japanese reading.....Wuppie said: I really feel like writing a fan ending now.. It's end could've been so much better.. Believe me, the VN is much better. |
 In spoiler my anime list for now. |
| Is it just me or did they decide to base the ending around an old episode of scoobydo? i mean sure like 3 randomers got shot, but i was just waiting for Sakaki to say "AND I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT TOO IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU MEDDLING KIDS!" On-top of that this is supposed to be an anime about demon wolves, yet a retard with a 44 magnum had no trouble in slaughtering them. I mean 1 guy with a m4 would have been the apocalypse for this town.... This anime would have been great if it would just MANUP and made the wolf people more than humans with glowey eyes, and have a plot which didn't seem so childish. just sayin |
| this was just bad. i don't even see a point for a 12th episode. Sakaki just stood around when he should of shot them all. Hiroshi was the most useless character, I don't get anything about Kaori. |
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| I cannot fathom how people making this show would honestly believe this shit is good. |
| damn.. triple disappointment i felt for the anime.. before airing, thought it might be good coz they say the vn was good, then disappointed at the beginning at how boring it was.. thought it was getting good when i reached the middle, then disappointed at how things were going towards the end.. did not pay attention to the preview last ep and thought that they might be able to fix this in 2 episodes, then disappointed coz the last ep is like that of kampfer and this is not even like kampfer where i'll get majorly fanserviced by the last episode.. the ending in this episode was really very unmoving.. i give this a 7 out of 7-10 (so it's a low score).. seriously, i enjoy plotless fanservice anime like LvB more than a poorly executed supposedly good story & plot anime like this.. i'll just watch the last ep next week and i'll consider if i'll raise it back to 8 if i got entertained somehow.. |
| You really can't listen to Ryukishi 07 fanatics. A lot of times, their appreciation for him defies logic. Like any other fanboy/fangirl. The show never really showed any promise from the very first episode, and yet many people were too blinded by their love of the source material to recognize that fact. |
francismeunier said: gloryfy said: After watching Therestina(TToaru Kagaku no Railgun) psycho-maniac expression,Sakaki is nothing ^^ francismeunier said: I hold 11eyes after i watch 2 episode,and i thinking of watching back....but why izzit so many people talk bad thing about this anime,is this anime that bad??or izzit just better to drop it ...I am very disappointed and it is like 180 degrees from the happy one of 11eyes......euh 11eyes means generic hentai visual novel and It´s very bad show just drop it, Isn´t interesting and doesn´t got a awesome ending it´s more crappy and lame Ookamikakushi wasn´t good looks promising because of peach-pit and ryukishi but wasn´t good, doesn´t has suspense or even mistery, is not interesting after all, and was a quick resolution Sakaki was a Takano Miyo wannabe 6/10 |
wabowserMar 20, 2010 10:51 AM
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noteDhero said: You really can't listen to Ryukishi 07 fanatics. A lot of times, their appreciation for him defies logic. Like any other fanboy/fangirl. The show never really showed any promise from the very first episode, and yet many people were too blinded by their love of the source material to recognize that fact. Well, while I agree that there are many terrible, terrible fanboys and girls of Ryukishi out there, there was almost no hype for this series based on the source material. Most of it was based on blind fandom for the author himself...mostly expecting Higurashi-2, meaning the same thing but totally different (I love fanboy/girl logic). But you have to admit that Ryukishi is at least a competent writer and very well able to create atmospheric settings and characters. If one likes them or not is based on opinion. I for one liked the source material and criticized the anime for changing it in unfavourable ways from the start. The series could have had a promising start, hadn't they gone for the total de-mystification right from the beginning. Ah well...that's two adaptions I don't like this season, DRRR!! being the other. |
| Waiting for: God Eater (PSP) 私が、探偵だからよ。 |
| Eh, I don't know that he's a competent writer. I see him recycling Higurashi in this story, I didn't find anything successfully conceived with Umineko (maybe a second season will change that), and I didn't care for the first season of Higurashi outside of the first arc and last few episodes. Kai was the only thing that made me feel like he was good. Maybe that's the fault of Deen, but honestly, none of his characters have ever really interested me. They're all some strange combination of trope and fanservice (or utterly useless in the male protagonist case) that leave me with a bad taste in my mouth. Rika is the stand-out exception. Maybe the show could have had a promising start...I just don't see how the show wouldn't seem derivative. |
noteDheroMar 20, 2010 12:26 PM
| ^^I think his superior writing is best seen in his games themselves rather than their adaptations. At least that's what I'm told. @seizonsha DRRR is a bad adaptation? How is that physically possible? |
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| Well this was slightly disappointing. Nothing big happened, and the 'last' episode looks like it's going to be nothing but a bunch of useless crap :/ Damn. |
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| Sakaki was so much fail... lol. I love how everyone keeps comparing this show to Higurashi. I am going to rate this anime a 9/10, just because I love it and want to observe the hysterical responses of all the haters here :D |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
noteDhero said: Eh, I don't know that he's a competent writer. I see him recycling Higurashi in this story, I didn't find anything successfully conceived with Umineko (maybe a second season will change that), and I didn't care for the first season of Higurashi outside of the first arc and last few episodes. Well, like garfield already pointed out, you'd have to read the things really written by him to actually say something about that. Apart from some influence on the direction in the Umineko anime, they were all in the end just 'based on his works'. In case you don't know, they hire script and scenario writers for this stuff too, who then start to rewrite a story so it fits into a) the animes total length and b) the individual length of an episode. So of course many things get lost during such an adaption. Neither Umineko nor Higurashi were perfect adaptions either. Higurashi Kai also lost almost all side-character development and some important plotpoints...but that's just natural in an adaption. But well, sometimes it happens as in Ôkamis case and they get a bit too confident concerning their rewriting skills. @seizonsha DRRR is a bad adaptation? How is that physically possible? I wouldn't call it a 'bad adaption', but I just don't like it, similar to the problems many people had with Umineko. But I don't wanna start bitching about it. Let's just say I like the atmosphere and characterization in the novel more and I'm a bit dissapointed how many parts get a bit warped to fit the episodic structure and the cliffhanger formula. |
| Waiting for: God Eater (PSP) 私が、探偵だからよ。 |
| What did I just watch? 6/10 i don't think i've been THIS disappointed since chaoshead |
cr4sian_philMar 20, 2010 1:47 PM
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| It seems like every year/season or so, we get a 12/13 episode horror/psychological series based off a visual novel that starts out relatively interesting and then turns into crap by the end. -Chaos;Head -11eyes -This I wonder what the next one will be! |
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garfield15 said: -Chaos;Head This anime is bad all-time, as anime, and as adaptation even more. |
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| 4/5 Eh....it was okay. I wasnt bored outta my skull, so yeah. and also Kaori with her "I was chosen by Oyashiro-sama the Great God and I'm the White Wolf Kannon." mkay....lol And she has some sort of disease, so what is it? |
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noteDhero said: Blah. What's there to say? I'm a little amazed that Sakaki was able to actually flood the town (if even a bit) and that there are actually smart people who left, but it's absurd that they would gloss over that to have Hiroshi's lame monologue about acceptance. Why on earth would his father continue to live in a town where his child is succeptible to such nonsense? Fail all around. Seconded. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Kaori is now my favorite in the series. Thanks for restraining Sakaki and forcibly throwing the two of you to your deaths. The entire episode up to that point was an exercise in patience and rolling of the eyes. One more! |
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noteDhero said: You know 1st season Higurashi were the question arcs and Kai were the answer arcs for the 1st season. What made it good was the 2nd POV telling of 1st season's story that made you go OH SHIEEET. But it's all a matter of opinion, I guess.Eh, I don't know that he's a competent writer. I see him recycling Higurashi in this story, I didn't find anything successfully conceived with Umineko (maybe a second season will change that), and I didn't care for the first season of Higurashi outside of the first arc and last few episodes. Kai was the only thing that made me feel like he was good. Maybe that's the fault of Deen, but honestly, none of his characters have ever really interested me. They're all some strange combination of trope and fanservice (or utterly useless in the male protagonist case) that leave me with a bad taste in my mouth. Rika is the stand-out exception. Maybe the show could have had a promising start...I just don't see how the show wouldn't seem derivative. |
seizonsha said: Well, like garfield already pointed out, you'd have to read the things really written by him to actually say something about that. Apart from some influence on the direction in the Umineko anime, they were all in the end just 'based on his works'. In case you don't know, they hire script and scenario writers for this stuff too, who then start to rewrite a story so it fits into a) the animes total length and b) the individual length of an episode. So of course many things get lost during such an adaption. Neither Umineko nor Higurashi were perfect adaptions either. Higurashi Kai also lost almost all side-character development and some important plotpoints...but that's just natural in an adaption. Yeah, I understand the the source is adapted to fit a television show by a separate writing staff. But I also think that success in adaptation depends a lot on both the clarity of the source and the competency of the adapting staff. Sometimes I feel like I can tell when the source would interest me at all. As a whole, I don't think I would enjoy anything by 07th Expansion, even though I really liked Higurashi Kai. A perfect adaptation isn't a 1:1 copy paste. It's an understanding of the universe and characters in such a way that you know what should be cut, what is important to the main plot, what is the main plot, and the general themes. I felt like Higurashi overall had a good grasp of the themes and characters, but stumbled on the translation of the question arcs. It was too redundant for me. Other people liked it, I didn't. Kai was nearly flawless for a show in which I was bored by all but one of the characters. Maybe that's where they failed the most--adding depth to the characters--but when I fell like there is a similar problem in two of his other works, I begin to think it's not a problem from the adaptors, but from the source. As for Umineko, the show came out way too soon. It shouldn't have started production until all of the answer arcs were out, so that they would know what bullshit to cut (and I bet when all is said and done, there is a lot of crap that should have never aired, and an equal amount that should have been shown). To top that off, the whole concept was over-ambitious, and I can't fathom it being good in the visual novel. Mediocre, maybe, but not good. But that's just my hypothesis looking at all three of his adapted works. I'm bound to be off base. garfield15 said: It seems like every year/season or so, we get a 12/13 episode horror/psychological series based off a visual novel that starts out relatively interesting and then turns into crap by the end. -Chaos;Head -11eyes -This I wonder what the next one will be! Angel Beats. Key is garbage, but people eat it up anyways. Acidfart said: You know 1st season Higurashi were the question arcs and Kai were the answer arcs for the 1st season. What made it good was the 2nd POV telling of 1st season's story that made you go OH SHIEEET. But it's all a matter of opinion, I guess. Yes, I do know the format, and no, I don't think the second season made the first season better. I was much more interested in Rika's journey than what's his name being the fake protagonist. I wish she had a bigger focus because there was a great story there. Everyone else was painfully one-dimensional. |
noteDhero said: Angel Beats. Key is garbage, but people eat it up anyways. Oh jeez, I hope not. I'm actually interested in that one. I never really bothered to give a crap about finishing Kanon and Air. |
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seizonsha said: Her illness was the 'aging thing'...there was nothing else. Well considering that in a few years she will have the body of a 70 year old, I think that's bad enough. The Mieko double thing was really just a plot device to mislead the reader...in the anime it didn't work because we knew straight away that he had seen Mieko's bloody corpse. Ah, okay! Thanks for helping me understand this better ^_^ |
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garfield15 said: It seems like every year/season or so, we get a 12/13 episode horror/psychological series based off a visual novel that starts out relatively interesting and then turns into crap by the end. -Chaos;Head -11eyes -This I wonder what the next one will be! Hah, you're right! XD But I never expected Ookamikakushi to be one of those... Ooh, I really wonder what the next one's gonna be. : D To be honest, I can't wait. XD |
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noteDhero said: A perfect adaptation isn't a 1:1 copy paste. It's an understanding of the universe and characters in such a way that you know what should be cut, what is important to the main plot, what is the main plot, and the general themes. Kai was nearly flawless for a show in which I was bored by all but one of the characters. Maybe that's where they failed the most--adding depth to the characters--but when I fell like there is a similar problem in two of his other works, I begin to think it's not a problem from the adaptors, but from the source. Well yeah...and there's where some differences lie. You base your ideas upon assumptions about the actual original, so of course it is bound to be a flawed theory. I for example am one of the few people who found Higurashi Kai terrible compared to the original VN. It was butchered up in all the wrong piece, Minagoroshi became especially hard to watch for me, as they reduced it mainly to the let's save our cute Satoko part. Looking back the first season of Higurashi did more mistakes in cutting the wrong things, but it's atmosphere was much more consistent than the absolute trainwreck that Higurashi Kai was for me. And don't understand me wrong, I loved the original. Of course you are free to judge what you like and what you don't like, but criticizing an author without ever having read something by him seems kinda pretentious. It's like those children in high school who watch the movie adaptions of the book they are supposed to read an start talking about things that were never in the book in the first place. |
| Waiting for: God Eater (PSP) 私が、探偵だからよ。 |
| Except I'm not talking about things I never saw, and I freely admit that I'm making assumptions that could be off base. The thing is, when I look at VN adaptations, I can't think of one whose story didn't become more convoluted than it should have been. I suppose that's the inherent nature of these types of adaptations since there are different routes the player must go, and the production companies feel like they have to have some amount of fanservice toward viewers who liked different ending. That kind of thought process and decision making bothers me for a televised format. So, that bias is already in my head when I look at 07th Expansion, and besides atmosphere, I don't see why I would enjoy reading his works. What I perceive to be his style based off of three VN adaptations by 2 different studios doesn't call out to me. Using the same kind of judgment, I know the kind of manga I would like to read, if I ever chose to get serious about reading them. Light novels are really different, though, because there aren't enough adaptations, and they are all varied in content. All that said, I'm not saying that if I ever chose to read his stuff I wouldn't say "wow this is really different," that's going to happen because content is always lost coming from a printed medium to a televised or filmed one. I'm saying that I think my reaction would be "hmmm." |
| This was just plain bad. I guess the next episode will be some random harem filler (although I do hope that our Hiro will die in the next episode). >_> |
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| I remain hopefully optimistic that the government can arrange a gas leak for the final episode just like they did for that town down the road. |
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| Very, very bad ending, though it's not like I was expecting much better with how the rest of the series was. At least this episode wasn't completely boring like all the others. |
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| Unsatisfied. The only thing Hiroshi did was smell good and make people horny. GarLogan78 said:  |
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| What the fuck just happened? Sakaki dies the generic villain blind from revenge and Hiroshi stays as useless as ever. And wtf Kaori? I don't even know what to say about that. It was just so terrible. She's probably the biggest plot hole in this whole show. And wtf at Isuzu suddenly the bestest friends with Nemeru. And wtf at this not even being the last episode. |
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Wasabi said: I would also wtf at what is Nemuru planning to do with that costume in the next episode....?_?What the fuck just happened? Sakaki dies the generic villain blind from revenge and Hiroshi stays as useless as ever. And wtf Kaori? I don't even know what to say about that. It was just so terrible. She's probably the biggest plot hole in this whole show. And wtf at Isuzu suddenly the bestest friends with Nemeru. And wtf at this not even being the last episode. |
In spoiler my anime list for now. |
| the lame drama when a person is about to get killed, the human shield, omg even after Kaori save my boredom, I dont like how this goes. And yeah it didn't showed much explaination. |
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| This episode killed all that the series was doing in the beginning, at least I had hopes that the end would be good, but that's not true anymore... -.-' And WTF is that next episode's preview? |
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| I don't know what the hell I just saw... I'm speechless... Either I'm stupid, but I still don't know what the differences are between kambito and ochbito (sp?) besides that one of them likes to smell the other? Plus, if they are so called "monsters", why the hell are they calling themselves Gods? And Hiroshi's morale lesson at the end? LOL, I don't want to hear that from I guy who didn't do anything at all besides going around screaming for help. He doesn't even deserve the title protagonist. |
| To my utter shocked surprise, I actually liked this episode. In a series that has been nothing but a long chain of Higurashi plagiarism and Narm, something worth watching has come out of it. In particular, the fact that there's finally a likeable character among the cast... Who ironically gets killed off in this very episode. Shame, really... in the last episode or two, Sakaki had really shaped up to be the one redeeming feature of this anime. And then Kaori had to go and throw him off a cliff. Just fantastic. One thing that bugs me, though... there's one episode left. Where the hell can we go from here? |
SamTheNayru said:  About fucking time. This. :D |
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| You guys complaining about how the story can continue because it is not the last episode are just stating the obvious. You're right, this IS NOT the last one, but it is the last one that followed the main plot. The next one is a filler-ish, ova, fan service thingy majingy. Does this bring back memories?.. COUGHHHKAMPFERSNEEEZE* |
Lind_L_Tailor said: One thing that bugs me, though... there's one episode left. Where the hell can we go from here? Well, if you watch the preview it's definitely not going somewhere plot-related... |
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| So you only have to push one button to flood the town? No extra keys, passwords...? Nothing? Really?! You'd think that they'd at least put a 'DO NOT PRESS' sign on it or something. |
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| I dont understand why Sakaki dont destroy control panel. Then Hiroshi with his words like " wolfs like people"..... Oh and "great" end then white wolf dropped from a cliff. Also why Hiroshi dont went from town after? And there is one more unnecessary episode.... |
| Next episode: Hiroshi dies, nobody cares. GOOD END |
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