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Jul 6, 6:54 AM
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more peak and takopi did the kobe move
Jul 6, 7:41 AM
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I understand that many people just like torture porn, but this is a bad show,with non-existent premise.

It doesn't show us a beliable tale of bullying with suicide and other things, it shows a non-existenet, cant-existent torture. Nothing make senese in this show, nobody behaves rationally, the only thing is to make Kuze suffer as much as dshe can, even thlough there is not a single conutry or society that would allow thius, and not a sinlge huma being that would not ask for help in this case.

It is not an accident, that the original manga is at 7,7 which makes it a terribly written manga. It is a joke, that pőeople think that a badly written slop is deep because it has suicide in it.

We should strive to create art, that handles this topic well, not create badly written shit, that handles the topic just for fun.

And before something would say, that 7,7 is good, it is the exact same for a manga as 5/10 on IMDB or 65% on rotten tomatoes, it means a mediocre or bad show, and manga is always infltaed, 7,7 means it is hated by even it readers. Yet it is one of the highest rated show of all time, even though nobody thinks it is good, or that this rating will remain.
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Kill more Takopii, make me happy!
Jul 6, 9:24 AM
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Willhelm23 said:
I’m sorry but so many of the comments are soo messed up, what the actual heck. I know what Marina did was wrong, but celebrating her death is so messed up, it’s actually psychotic to wish and celebrate that on a child dying. Instead of blaming Marina have you even thought about the adults in this situation? That’s who you should be blaming, the teacher for not intervening on the bullying, shizuka’s mom for never being there for her, and literally destroying the marriage in Marinas family, if shizukas mom actually cared about her she would stop that business. Marinas mom isn’t even really there for her, she’s just a total mess at the moment, which I don’t really blame her for, the situation she’s in is horrible. Marinas dad is an absolute horrible dead beat father, and he uses the excuse of providing for his family to cheat on his wife, how scummy is that, and Shizuka’s father is dead beat as well. All that being said, blaming Marina and hoping she dies is completely messed up, I don’t like her either, but I would never wish for a child to die?!? it’s the adults that are at blame for her behavior, not the child.

There isn't good academic evidence teachers intervening does enough good, it can actually make things worse sometimes. Basically the bully gets mad at being told off. Only has any effect on one side if it is something like on legal level but Japan the age of criminal accountability isnt until 14 years old. But even then criminal systems dont fix people's behavior. Also cant really just talk to a bully and fix things since like portrayed here many cases are result of home life. So it is quite a bit to resolve such things.

look at the whole picture. Everyone here is placed in these circumstances. Shizuka's mom while she is a bit distant acting, maybe cant find any other work. Also Shizuka's mom is not responsible for Marina's dad being stressed from work and in an unhappy marriage and seeking a sense of affection elsewhere with her, she may not even knew he was married and because it is how she makes money she can't turn him down anyway when he is her main client. Though he is spending too much time away from his daughter. Supposedly oddly enough lot of Japanese women (or at least in Tokyo) are fine with their guy seeing an escort if they dont have feelings for them so it seems to me implied he has feelings for her. So the mother isn't so much upset he is cheating but that he's falling out of love with her. Shizuka's dad lives further away (though how far idk) and likely only at most has visitation rights since Japan didnt allow joint custody in divorce until mid 2024. Though yeah he probably should be seeing her at least once a week or two since I doubt he is so far he cant do that much. Marina's mom while she also has her reasons would be the worst one, since Marina has no connection to any of this but presumably her mom takes it out on her and physically at that as it seems implied from Marina wanting her dad so much and how she seems to act around her mom and her bruised cheek.

That’s a very well thought out response you replied with, I don’t know much about the Japanese culture in that sense, but I can understand how a teacher could cause the bully to get worse, but I still think the teacher should do something, or at least theres got to be some sort of support/counseling at the school for Shizuka and marina. Even if it doesn’t help, it’s important for schools to recognize a child’s health, which it really peeves me off cause shizuka’s mental health is completely plummeted, and her physical health is apparent after she interacts with marina. If the school really did their job, those two kids would have been provided help, or marina would have been expelled, idk but I still feel like the school could do more. I also feel like if I was a teacher I couldn’t just stand by and see someone get bullied, even if me intervening made it worse, you’re the adult, you need to show the kids a good example (standing up for yourself and others/bullying is wrong).


The thing you said about shizuka’s mom is a totally fair point, I mean it’s not her job to get aquatinted with her clients family, so why would she know what his family’s going through.

And for the dad, I mean yeah life gets stressful, your marriage might suck, but it doesn’t mean you should make your life and family’s life worse by cheating on your wife 😞 if he wanted to divorce, but wouldn’t cause he may lose custody of marina. side note that is insane they just made that law in 2024!?!?. Then he should consider marinas feelings, and how destructive his actions are mentally toward him, his wife, and marina. If he really cared about his daughter that is.

Finally in terms of shizuka’s mom, that is a great observation you had, that the mom is possibly abusing marina physically, I mean she definitely is abusing her mentally, but that actually makes so much sense why marina is the way that she is. I mean kids tend to reflect what they see around them. So she’s constantly seeing anger, argument, adult exhibiting violent behavior, it would make sense why marina reflects that behavior as well, and her anger. Shizuka is weak physically and has given up mentally, so marina takes advantage of that, she probably knows she can’t just go to shizuka’s mom and beat the crap out of her, so she just goes to her daughter. Marina essentially wants to ruin shizukas life as much as her mom has ruined hers. I still don’t think you stop that by killing her, but it needs to be stopped, and kids aren’t going to stop that, it needs adult intervention, possibly even a tokepi.

Solid points you shared, have a great day 🙂

Also if I missed anything, it’s cause I’m on my phone and I can’t see the full response :”
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Jul 6, 9:35 AM
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@Willhelm23 I agree with you... But Marina really wants to kill the other "child". And we are in a scene that we need to choice who gonna die, Marina or Shikuza... And Takopi choice (without know the consequences) the right choice.

I know its "immoral"... And It can be hard to asimilate. But the life is hard... If you were in Shizuka situation you would love to have a Takopi that kill tha monster that horror you.

I mean I’m not as much disgusted by shizukas response to it, tho it is disturbing, I can understand her response.

It’s the comments in this discussion post that I was reacting to. As the audience we know the full picture, we know that marinas being abused, and what’s happening to Shizuka. However does Shizuka know what is happening in marinas life? No, she just knows that marinas a jerk, and a bully that wants to ruin her life.

That’s fair too, it is apparent marina was going to kill Shizuka, or at least assist Shizuka in a suicide. But I still don’t think random anime watchers should dance around and celebrate the death of a child, no matter how mean she was toward the Mc.
Jul 6, 9:52 AM
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I thought I was insane for being happy about Marina's death, but then Shizuka started talking, and I embraced insanity. What an amazing show! I wonder how they'll play it out.
Jul 6, 1:09 PM
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Welp, Marina died. It's kinda uncomfortable people are happy she's dead, and I can understand why at least, but is no one gonna talk about her piece of sh*t dad and Shizkuka's mom? In my opinion those two are the real villains of the story.
Good episode once again. I'm excited to see where we go from here. 5/5
@Eternal_m00n I mean obviously marina’s parents are huge pieces of shit but marina is definitely worse. She not only bullies Shizuka but beats her, stabs her with a pen, and kills her dog. She even stalks Shizuka and her dog to find the best place to get chappy taken. She has actual serial killer tendencies.
Jul 6, 1:38 PM

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crazy part is this aint even the original sin
Jul 6, 1:46 PM

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Reply to fenrirr2
I understand that many people just like torture porn, but this is a bad show,with non-existent premise.

It doesn't show us a beliable tale of bullying with suicide and other things, it shows a non-existenet, cant-existent torture. Nothing make senese in this show, nobody behaves rationally, the only thing is to make Kuze suffer as much as dshe can, even thlough there is not a single conutry or society that would allow thius, and not a sinlge huma being that would not ask for help in this case.

It is not an accident, that the original manga is at 7,7 which makes it a terribly written manga. It is a joke, that pőeople think that a badly written slop is deep because it has suicide in it.

We should strive to create art, that handles this topic well, not create badly written shit, that handles the topic just for fun.

And before something would say, that 7,7 is good, it is the exact same for a manga as 5/10 on IMDB or 65% on rotten tomatoes, it means a mediocre or bad show, and manga is always infltaed, 7,7 means it is hated by even it readers. Yet it is one of the highest rated show of all time, even though nobody thinks it is good, or that this rating will remain.
fenrirr2 said:
there is not a single conutry or society that would allow thius


You're talking as if there are no cases of students killing themselves because of bullying. No fucking shit society wouldn't condone this, but it happens, it's a reality. Is it really that unbelievable that a kid's dad left their family? That the mother couldn't care less? That they are bullied at school and teachers do nothing about it? All of these things happen in real life. The kid with glasses even tries to help Shizuka, but for someone who has never felt loved their entire life by another human, it's incredibly hard to accept help. Her whole life, she has known nothing but hopelessness. That's all life is for her. Is it really that unbelievable?

Go outside every once in a while, read some fucking news or something. You're so detached from reality that you live on another planet.

Also, you have no idea how review aggregators like rotten tomatoes work, and you care too much about scores
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Jul 6, 2:01 PM

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I don't know who infuriated me more in this episode, Marina or Takopii, but at least I got to see Shizuka smile. She deserves the world. That blonde bitch is still dead, she should suffer more though...
Jul 6, 3:27 PM

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I hate this Tako so much. But it's wonderful to see Shizuka happy for now.
Great episode, can't wait to see what comes next.
5/5
Jul 6, 8:11 PM
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I love it so far. I glad Takopi kill the annoying blonde Marina!
Jul 6, 9:37 PM
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Damn this goofy little octopus can fight

Why are all adults absolute shit tho
Jul 6, 10:12 PM
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dude I was really nervous the whole episode. it felt like I personally was afraid of Maria and waiting what will she do next.

the music, camera movement,aria eyes, takopii uncertain voice and every thing were perfect to give me this feeling.
Jul 6, 10:22 PM
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The only thing that "shocked" me in the end was that Shizuka leaves the body out in plain sight without doing anything. I mean: at least cover it with a cloth or try to camouflage the crime scene. O.o
Jul 6, 11:30 PM

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What a way to end the episode. And now, no more resets. Even though she came from an abusive home I was getting sick of Marina anyway lol.
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Jul 7, 11:23 AM
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Mixed Feelings
idk
Jul 7, 12:20 PM
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You know, after the premier I was looking through reactions and people were making a lot of Doraemon comparisons. I had the thought, "So this is to Doraemon and "alien friend" stories what NaruTaru is to Pokemon/monster pet stories. Then I pushed back, It's not that bleak, this is not wanton cruelty bordering on the absurd! It's a fantastical premise confronted by real-world issues. It's more like Madoka Magica for Magical Girls -- dark, certainly, but still hopeful and philosophical.



The comparison to NaruTaru was not too harsh. This is more of a horror story than The Summer Hikaru Died (the other "School Kid and their Supernatural Friend and their Terrible Experiences" story this season)! I don't know where the hell this is going, but I know I'm going to remember the ride!
Jul 7, 1:25 PM
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Anime is top, GOOOOAT
Jul 7, 3:14 PM
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Lets gooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i don't care about her backstory. She deserved it. Takopi just saved the day.
Jul 7, 3:16 PM
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I'm sorry for hating on you & thinking you were useless, Takopii, I wasn't familiar with your game
@notthatjesus takopi the goat !!!
Jul 7, 3:39 PM
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i wanna throw up, this is disgusting me from the human race
Jul 7, 5:43 PM

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I wonder what happens next
Jul 7, 5:48 PM

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I was hoping Takopi would be able to help both girls. :(
@Akuyi We were just as naive as Takopii
Jul 7, 5:52 PM
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There's no way, right? She's still in the OP guys, this can't be it, right? RIGHT?!
Jul 7, 5:54 PM

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Damn... Chappy is dead
Jul 7, 6:42 PM
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I think these two kids have serious mental illness
I wasn't expected takopi will hit marina with the camera, I thought he would just turned back time again
but I wasn't more expected Shizuka so happy about the murder
Jul 7, 9:19 PM

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The first episode irritated me a little with its dark themes hidden behind a cute facade that it's. frankly, a tad old at this point for animes due to the overuse of this formula since Madoka. However, I found myself engaging a little more about the second episode, probably because the cat was already out of the bag about the real point of the story. It continues having its moments of shock value but I think I have to accept that this is kind of the entire point of the story. Anyway, I really enjoyed the progression. I was worried that we would be stuck in a time loop that would get too repetitive for the audience but the unexpected scene at the end of the episode was such a good moment, specially because of all the anguish that I was I feeling along with Shizuka. However, I feel that this event only will bring more problems since I can see Shizuka being blame for what happened if the village discovers about it. I'm really curious about the direction that the story will take from now on.
Jul 7, 9:28 PM

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WTH, the episode really went “this is truly Takopi’s Original Sin”. Like Marina, I didn’t see that coming because I thought his original sin was breaking the rule about lending Happy Devices unattended. I’m now very interested on what happens next.

The way Shizuka reacted after “that” was unsettling, yet very plausible. I’m typically annoyed by people who act like Takopi (aka Pollyannas), but the way his character is portrayed is very cathartic, as if it validates why the way he sees things just doesn’t work in the long run, because he just does not get it.

The way this anime showed Shizuka’s despair is some of the best. Period. It really feels so hopeless and dejected and tragic.
Jul 7, 10:16 PM

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I understand people who think this anime is too edgy but it's just showing how bullying and circumstances outside of a child's control can lead to the worst outcome, in this case for both girls.
Go read Berserk and One Piece they're the best thing ever
Jul 8, 1:02 AM
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Absolute masterpiece of a story
Jul 8, 5:29 AM
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what an episode we have witnessed today,..
Jul 8, 7:41 AM
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I don't know why it made me happy but this will definitely have consequences
Jul 8, 8:14 AM
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I feel a bit uncomfortable reading all those comments of people being happy Marina died tbh :/ I thought the real villians are more like the adults who just don't care? Also, I was kinda hoping Takopi would be able to help both of these girls... Long story short, the episode was great, but idk how will this mess continue and I'm a bit scared 😅
Jul 8, 9:34 AM
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AUTHENTIC CINEMA!!!

THIS ANIME DESERVES A STANDING OVATION, WHAT A TREMENDOUS STORY IT IS, 100/10!!!
Jul 8, 12:40 PM
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wow, that was breathless
Jul 8, 1:34 PM

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I wasn't expecting for this to happen. Holy shit! And to see Shizuka genuinely happy to see Marina dead was wild. That was not the reaction I was expecting. Like I thought, this show is basically Oyasumi Punpun 2.0. Batshit insane, but incredibly engaging somehow.

Jul 8, 5:11 PM
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good I like it very intrigue:))
Jul 8, 5:34 PM
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I'm sorry for hating on you & thinking you were useless, Takopii, I wasn't familiar with your game
@notthatjesus LMAOOOOOO didnt know he had motion like that
Jul 8, 5:35 PM
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I’m sorry but so many of the comments are soo messed up, what the actual heck. I know what Marina did was wrong, but celebrating her death is so messed up, it’s actually psychotic to wish and celebrate that on a child dying. Instead of blaming Marina have you even thought about the adults in this situation? That’s who you should be blaming, the teacher for not intervening on the bullying, shizuka’s mom for never being there for her, and literally destroying the marriage in Marinas family, if shizukas mom actually cared about her she would stop that business. Marinas mom isn’t even really there for her, she’s just a total mess at the moment, which I don’t really blame her for, the situation she’s in is horrible. Marinas dad is an absolute horrible dead beat father, and he uses the excuse of providing for his family to cheat on his wife, how scummy is that, and Shizuka’s father is dead beat as well. All that being said, blaming Marina and hoping she dies is completely messed up, I don’t like her either, but I would never wish for a child to die?!? it’s the adults that are at blame for her behavior, not the child.
@Willhelm23 DING DONG THE WICKED B***H IS DEAD
Jul 8, 6:31 PM
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I fucking hate this show...I read the manga a few years ago and thought it was pretty clever at the time but with where I'm at in my life now this just comes across as misery porn sludge. All the elements of it are well crafted and I can see the appeal to people that want something really rough and disturbing but as a normal adult with kids I don't feel like this story serves any real purpose. Everyone is horrible, helpless, miserable, and broken and the show exists solely to rub your face in it. I remember what the original sin is too and obviously it would be a spoiler to talk about but it definitely makes my feelings that this show is purposelessly miserable that much stronger.
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@Willhelm23 DING DONG THE WICKED B***H IS DEAD

You ain’t funny lil bro
Jul 9, 7:23 AM
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Wow, just wow. I have no words.
Jul 9, 9:56 AM

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I was not expecting that development... I'm so glad I didn't read the source material. That was an episode which will probably stay in my mind for a while.

The entire scene where Shizuka was happy because of Marina's death, I was expecting it to just be a very very dark, and very very temporary bit of comedy. They're playing Vivaldi's Spring, for goodness's sake! Then the episode ended, and the laugh I was too unsure to ever let out died inside my mouth.

A lot of people are discussing whether or not Marina had it coming. I personally feel like there's really not much reason for anybody to celebrate any deaths; Marina died, yes, but she definitely did not deserve to die.

It's made blatantly clear in this show that every single child is immature and is trying their best to deal with the problems surrounding them – while the adults who should be responsible are not. Shizuka is overjoyed about Marina's death not because she's a sociopath, but because she's too young to understand the implications of murder. Naoki tries to help Shizuka but never commits not because he's a coward, but because he's too young to deal with such issues. Similarly, Marina remains a bully not because she's a psychopath, but because she only thinks about things from her own perspective – like every child does, reducing Shizuka to an coping mechanism / outlet for her worst emotions.

In a sense, every child in this show is like Takopii; they don't understand the problems they deal with, but they try to cope anyways for better or for worse. This isn't to defend Marina's actions; I'm just saying that it is probably best to treat every child in this show as being slightly off of the typical morality spectrum. It's the adults who are immoral for being so neglectful.
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The fact Shizuka smiled after seeing Marina die in front of her was the best indicator on how screwed up her mental state was, but what made this stand out is that the time loop mechanic was broken, the once innocent Takopii has now murdered someone, and as Shizuka reinforced that behavior, I cannot help but think Takopii will have a noticeable body count by the end.

I wonder now how will this end?


MOKUSHI KUSHIMO SHIMOKU KUMOSHI MOSHIKU SHIKUMO.
Jul 9, 1:24 PM
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people here don't even know how the world and human nature works... prime example of dehumanization

first of all both deserves better life . it's not just Marina's fault...she's also going through hardship... watching your family falls apart for a hoe in front of your eyes is not easy and the fact is they are in 4th grade means probably 9 years old ..she can't comprehend the reality...she blames shizuka for this ..it's not ok but it's also doesn't mean marina deserves death...now think what Marina's mother will go though...your husband is hoeing around and your child ,only support she had...

what takopi did is not ok ...he will surely pay for this when he understands what he did ..all the happy gadets is using for bad things ....
@duckruls What no one here seems to be realizing is, her mother was brainwashing her & abusing her into taking it out onto the only available target, the escort's daughter. Marina had NO choice! No one has read the subtext here. It's an entire cycle of abuse.
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Reply to Willhelm23
I’m sorry but so many of the comments are soo messed up, what the actual heck. I know what Marina did was wrong, but celebrating her death is so messed up, it’s actually psychotic to wish and celebrate that on a child dying. Instead of blaming Marina have you even thought about the adults in this situation? That’s who you should be blaming, the teacher for not intervening on the bullying, shizuka’s mom for never being there for her, and literally destroying the marriage in Marinas family, if shizukas mom actually cared about her she would stop that business. Marinas mom isn’t even really there for her, she’s just a total mess at the moment, which I don’t really blame her for, the situation she’s in is horrible. Marinas dad is an absolute horrible dead beat father, and he uses the excuse of providing for his family to cheat on his wife, how scummy is that, and Shizuka’s father is dead beat as well. All that being said, blaming Marina and hoping she dies is completely messed up, I don’t like her either, but I would never wish for a child to die?!? it’s the adults that are at blame for her behavior, not the child.
@Willhelm23 yep 100%. What Marina did was absolutely deplorable but in no world did she deserve the fate she got
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GENUINELY ONE OF THE FUNNIEST THINGS I'VE SEEN THIS YEAR


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not really my cup of coffee
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This is just 1D characters dishing out suffering to each other, at least until now. The directing and music are great but the story feels so cheap. It's like the author searched for every possible opportunity to shock you in some way. I hope that it doesn't go the route where Takopi goes on a wild killing spree to preserve Shizuka's happiness. That would actually make this go down the drain for me.
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