traed said:Willhelm23 said:I’m sorry but so many of the comments are soo messed up, what the actual heck. I know what Marina did was wrong, but celebrating her death is so messed up, it’s actually psychotic to wish and celebrate that on a child dying. Instead of blaming Marina have you even thought about the adults in this situation? That’s who you should be blaming, the teacher for not intervening on the bullying, shizuka’s mom for never being there for her, and literally destroying the marriage in Marinas family, if shizukas mom actually cared about her she would stop that business. Marinas mom isn’t even really there for her, she’s just a total mess at the moment, which I don’t really blame her for, the situation she’s in is horrible. Marinas dad is an absolute horrible dead beat father, and he uses the excuse of providing for his family to cheat on his wife, how scummy is that, and Shizuka’s father is dead beat as well. All that being said, blaming Marina and hoping she dies is completely messed up, I don’t like her either, but I would never wish for a child to die?!? it’s the adults that are at blame for her behavior, not the child.
There isn't good academic evidence teachers intervening does enough good, it can actually make things worse sometimes. Basically the bully gets mad at being told off. Only has any effect on one side if it is something like on legal level but Japan the age of criminal accountability isnt until 14 years old. But even then criminal systems dont fix people's behavior. Also cant really just talk to a bully and fix things since like portrayed here many cases are result of home life. So it is quite a bit to resolve such things.
look at the whole picture. Everyone here is placed in these circumstances. Shizuka's mom while she is a bit distant acting, maybe cant find any other work. Also Shizuka's mom is not responsible for Marina's dad being stressed from work and in an unhappy marriage and seeking a sense of affection elsewhere with her, she may not even knew he was married and because it is how she makes money she can't turn him down anyway when he is her main client. Though he is spending too much time away from his daughter. Supposedly oddly enough lot of Japanese women (or at least in Tokyo) are fine with their guy seeing an escort if they dont have feelings for them so it seems to me implied he has feelings for her. So the mother isn't so much upset he is cheating but that he's falling out of love with her. Shizuka's dad lives further away (though how far idk) and likely only at most has visitation rights since Japan didnt allow joint custody in divorce until mid 2024. Though yeah he probably should be seeing her at least once a week or two since I doubt he is so far he cant do that much. Marina's mom while she also has her reasons would be the worst one, since Marina has no connection to any of this but presumably her mom takes it out on her and physically at that as it seems implied from Marina wanting her dad so much and how she seems to act around her mom and her bruised cheek.
That’s a very well thought out response you replied with, I don’t know much about the Japanese culture in that sense, but I can understand how a teacher could cause the bully to get worse, but I still think the teacher should do something, or at least theres got to be some sort of support/counseling at the school for Shizuka and marina. Even if it doesn’t help, it’s important for schools to recognize a child’s health, which it really peeves me off cause shizuka’s mental health is completely plummeted, and her physical health is apparent after she interacts with marina. If the school really did their job, those two kids would have been provided help, or marina would have been expelled, idk but I still feel like the school could do more. I also feel like if I was a teacher I couldn’t just stand by and see someone get bullied, even if me intervening made it worse, you’re the adult, you need to show the kids a good example (standing up for yourself and others/bullying is wrong).
The thing you said about shizuka’s mom is a totally fair point, I mean it’s not her job to get aquatinted with her clients family, so why would she know what his family’s going through.
And for the dad, I mean yeah life gets stressful, your marriage might suck, but it doesn’t mean you should make your life and family’s life worse by cheating on your wife 😞 if he wanted to divorce, but wouldn’t cause he may lose custody of marina. side note that is insane they just made that law in 2024!?!?. Then he should consider marinas feelings, and how destructive his actions are mentally toward him, his wife, and marina. If he really cared about his daughter that is.
Finally in terms of shizuka’s mom, that is a great observation you had, that the mom is possibly abusing marina physically, I mean she definitely is abusing her mentally, but that actually makes so much sense why marina is the way that she is. I mean kids tend to reflect what they see around them. So she’s constantly seeing anger, argument, adult exhibiting violent behavior, it would make sense why marina reflects that behavior as well, and her anger. Shizuka is weak physically and has given up mentally, so marina takes advantage of that, she probably knows she can’t just go to shizuka’s mom and beat the crap out of her, so she just goes to her daughter. Marina essentially wants to ruin shizukas life as much as her mom has ruined hers. I still don’t think you stop that by killing her, but it needs to be stopped, and kids aren’t going to stop that, it needs adult intervention, possibly even a tokepi.
Solid points you shared, have a great day 🙂
Also if I missed anything, it’s cause I’m on my phone and I can’t see the full response :” |