| So, I was looking at Stormfront (don't worry, I'm not a white supremacist). Then it got me thinking about pride in race, sexuality, nationality, etc. Personally, I don't see much use in them. I keep my pride reserved for the non-existent achievements I've put effort to; my art and graphic designs, my abilities in sports, instruments I play, etc. To me, my sexuality and so on is about as worthy of pride as my handedness or hair colour. Obviously seeing as how many people are proud of these things though (no, not handedness and hair colour... I hope), a lot of people would disagree. So, polling time. |
TrapaliciousSep 18, 2012 10:29 PM
| I'm only proud of my achievements. I don't see the logic behind being proud of things such as nationality, sexuality, race or anything you didn't do much to acquire. |
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| It really depends on it. As Heika mentioned nationality sexuality and race are things your born with there things you don't need to have pride or shame in it's just the way you are. Besides think of it this way if you where born in the US and you are proud of it then you would also have been proud if you where borne in French. National pride is different per country and that pride can also be for different achievements such as a thriving history or a powerful nation. Taking pride in something that took you a hard time to achieve is normal if would be strange if you didn't take pride in it and would immediately raise the question of why did i work so hard to achieve it. You can be modest about it but you should also take pride in it. We all have been in situation where people are rude to you try to frame you and generally try to make you angry. In those situation you can get angry and do what they want but you can also keep pride to yourself and stay calm and composed. You generally achieve more by being calm and composed and you leave a better impression also remember to stay polite. And you don't lower yourself to there level. |
Heika said: I'm only proud of my achievements. I don't see the logic behind being proud of things such as nationality, sexuality, race or anything you didn't do much to acquire. Same here. I take pride in what I do, not what I am. |
| I always have pride. Whether I'm looking down on them or not, whether I'm superior or inferior, arrogant or humble [and so on] I will always have pride [like a lot of people]. I rarely show my pride. It just depends whether you show your pride or not. Show it the wrong way or the right way is entirely up to you. [No matter what, even a "pride-less" person can have a little pride] |
Allecto said: Heika said: I'm only proud of my achievements. I don't see the logic behind being proud of things such as nationality, sexuality, race or anything you didn't do much to acquire. Same here. I take pride in what I do, not what I am. Aren't they one and the same thing? Everything about is what makes you who you are. I agree with it's pointless to have pride in race or nationality and things like that however. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
NicoleB said: Allecto said: Heika said: I'm only proud of my achievements. I don't see the logic behind being proud of things such as nationality, sexuality, race or anything you didn't do much to acquire. Same here. I take pride in what I do, not what I am. Aren't they one and the same thing? Everything about is what makes you who you are. I agree with it's pointless to have pride in race or nationality and things like that however. To me they aren't, but it all depends on how you look at things. I like that I'm mixed-race and a twin sister, but I wouldn't say I'm 'proud' of these qualities. Things that I do define me more as a person than things which I was born as. I feel pride in finishing my dissertation, I feel pride that I've been playing guitar since I was 10, I feel pride that I'm good at badminton. These are things I acquired, so I don't see them as being a natural part of who I am. That's just the way I see it. |
| I generally don't even feel pride in my achievements. |
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| I generally only feel proud over the things I have put all of my being into accomplishing. Even things I've acquired aren't necessarily things I'd feel proud of since a lot of the things I've acquired in life have always come with such ease and minimal effort. Such as learning new languages, picking up art techniques, philosophy, singing, and more recently parkour. Now on the other hand, doing any of those things for a purpose that extends beyond myself can give a sense of 'accomplishment', a greater satisfaction. You can't really do much with the fact that you were born with a set of chromosomes, skin color, ethnicity or nationality. |
Allecto said: Heika said: I'm only proud of my achievements. I don't see the logic behind being proud of things such as nationality, sexuality, race or anything you didn't do much to acquire. Same here. I take pride in what I do, not what I am. That reminds me of this: Watch your thoughts, for they become words. Watch your words, for they become actions. Watch your actions, for they become habits. Watch your habits, for they become character. Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny. I do think our actions define who we are, but of course there is more to us than that. As for me, I don't really think about this... but if anything, I'm proud of what I have accomplished (I don't quite understand how people can be proud of their goals... :S). |
| Asian Pride, that's about it though. |
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| I don't know, whilst I don't generally feel it, sometimes I feel something along the lines of pride for being British/English. I didn't exactly earn my place here or anything, but my being is very much shaped by how I was raised in England, I'd be a different person if I was raised in Texas. I feel some sort of pride in myself for who I am and what I have done, so it somewhat translates into a bit of National pride too. As for my achievements, I don't tend to feel too much pride, I just tend to be happy if I do well. |
Allecto said: I feel pride in finishing my dissertation... I think this is the thing I feel most pride in, because I can point to this one single entity which is the representation of, and culmination of, 3 years studying at university. There are other things I'm proud of, of course, to varying degrees. |
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Jack_Rav said: Allecto said: I feel pride in finishing my dissertation... I think this is the thing I feel most pride in, because I can point to this one single entity which is the representation of, and culmination of, 3 years studying at university. I didn't feel that much pride about my undergrad dissertation. My masters one however... I feel real pride in it. |
Allecto said: Jack_Rav said: Allecto said: I feel pride in finishing my dissertation... I think this is the thing I feel most pride in, because I can point to this one single entity which is the representation of, and culmination of, 3 years studying at university. I didn't feel that much pride about my undergrad dissertation. My masters one however... I feel real pride in it. Well, I have reasons other than the tautological one (i.e. I'm proud because it's a dissertation) which makes me feel pride in it; I hope to do a Masters within 1-2 years, and I hope I have similar pride and reasons for feeling said pride. What did you write on, if you don't mind sharing? |
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| I would guess that most people, if not everyone, feel some pride for things they did not personally accomplish. It's just that it's much more likely that your feelings of pride will be brought into question if you're on the negative end of some stereotype, or something like that. Ie. no one ever has the need to express white pride, or straight pride, because no one ever questioned these things. Usually people are proud to be different, not proud to be the same (overgeneralization, I know). Personally, yes, I'm proud of my ethnicity, accomplishments of my family, and other things I didn't directly impact. Not proud in the sense that I go around declaring these things, or brag about them, just a subtle pride that makes me feel good when I tell someone about them. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| "You may have invaded my mind and my body but there is one thing a Saiyan always keeps, HIS PRIDE!" I vote yes. |
| why has no one posted this yet...... on another note, i am not patriotic, but i think you can be proud of things that you specifically didn't influence, you can be proud that you share something in common with those who did. |
XRSep 19, 2012 9:41 AM
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| I'm sincerely confused by the wording of the question. Do we have pride in the things we do? that sort of thing? curious, not trying to be a jerk |
daintybiscuit said: I'm sincerely confused by the wording of the question. Do we have pride in the things we do? that sort of thing? curious, not trying to be a jerk No - do we have pride in things we don't do. e.g. the place we are born, our skin colour etc. Don't worry. From looking at some of the responses it's clear you aren't the first one who didn't understand. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| why are you on stormfront btw that place is absolutely terrible i don't honestly have pride in anything at all and having pride in stuff that you can't control seems even more illogical to me thats all |
| ~"The place to improve the world is first in one's own heart and head and hands." (Pirsig) |
| I'm quite proud of where I come from. |
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| I find it pointless to be proud of where I come from, and other such things, like sexuality. |
LolitaDecay said: I'm quite proud of where I come from. I wish I came from bad-ass islands. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Mageking said: why are you on stormfront btw that place is absolutely terrible Because I'm a masochist and enjoy bringing myself mental pain. |
| They are just role-playing, they don't really believe in what they are writing |
 I sometime have funky grammar, sorry about that. If you can correct some of my post, you would be an angel. |
| Not much. |
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| Why should I have pride in anything but myself? My country doesn't protect my interests, most of my countrymen are sterilized sheep apathetic to everything and only know how to have sex and drink wine. And you all say the same thing, no use for pride, no use for tradition, no use for patriotism, you're all uninteresting and boring and the reason western civilization is falling apart. |
| Pride is for achievements. Being proud of race, sexual preference, etc. smacks of extreme insecurity. |
| i get the feeling LolitaDecay said: I'm quite proud of where I come from. one of the guys i played hockey with at uni came from Guernsey...anyhuuuu |
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Post-Josh said: LolitaDecay said: I'm quite proud of where I come from. I wish I came from bad-ass islands. True, I'd love to come from Jersey... |
paprikawolf said: Pride is for achievements. Being proud of race, sexual preference, etc. smacks of extreme insecurity. Why? Let's not speak of race but let's speak of nationality, what's so bad about being proud of belonging to a group which accomplished something of worth, wouldn't individuals get inspired to follow up on those achievements? |
| It's kind of like the Olympics for me. When someone gets a gold medal and so on, everyone cheers for their country. But I can't help but just look at it and think; "...but they done it, not you". |
TrapaliciousSep 19, 2012 3:15 PM
JonyJC said: Times have changed since we all started inhabiting the internet, we just want our animu & mango, porn, forum communities and funny cat video-subculture, and loads of information that will one day be of great use, surely. Such as otters holding paws when they sleep.Why should I have pride in anything but myself? My country doesn't protect my interests, most of my countrymen are sterilized sheep apathetic to everything and only know how to have sex and drink wine. And you all say the same thing, no use for pride, no use for tradition, no use for patriotism, you're all uninteresting and boring and the reason western civilization is falling apart. |
Trapalicious said: It's kind of like the Olympics for me, when someone gets a gold medal and so on, everything cheers for their country. I can't help but just look at it and think "...but he done it, not you". Exactly. People tend to fall back on other people's merits and say "we" did it. If England won the world cup, everyone would say "we did it" if the team fuck up they'd say "they fucked up". I love how us Brits always go on about how "we" used to rule sea as if they had anything to do with it. |
GloriousHawkSep 19, 2012 3:13 PM
GloriousHawk said: Exactly. People tend to fall back on other people's merits and say "we" did it. If England won the world cup, everyone would say "we did it" if the team fuck up they'd say "they fucked up". That attitude is so characteristically British, its embarrassing. |
| Don't worry, it's the same everywhere. On topic, yea, can have pride for something I did not achieve. Like if a friend do great things. Same for ancestor or nation if it achieved things belonging your idea of moral. And I can also feel shame for the same reason. (i.e. being embarrassed by your football/soccer supporter) Whatever I do, I'm necessary associated/linked with nationality/friend/family/whatever. Not really any reasoning in that though. |
I sometime have funky grammar, sorry about that. If you can correct some of my post, you would be an angel. |
| Everyone has pride. |
| i dont have pride i think pride is dumb |
| RRRRRRRRRR |
| Minorities have "pride" for their skin color, sexual orientation, heritage, etc because their entire lives they have been told that they should be ashamed for being such things, and their "pride" is giving that notion the middle finger. It's not about having a sense of personal accomplishment for being black, gay, whatever. It's about having a sense of dignity in the fact that what you are is not "wrong" or "less than" anything else. |
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| I don't have pride in my skin or sexual orientation or whatever, but I feel a certain amount of it for my country. Not so much the actual country itself, but for the culture which has shaped me to make me who I am. I am quite fond of self-deprecation and cutting sarcasm as cultural traits, maybe that's not pride per se, but I can't help something... Maybe I just confuse pride for fondness. |
| Pride is an ideal. Ideals are dangerous. I've been knocked on my ass for enough times to know ideals aren't worth it. |
Trapalicious said: Then it got me thinking about pride in race, sexuality, nationality, etc. Yes, I have a certain level of pride when it comes to my genetics. Saying otherwise would be delusional. |
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| Im a proud algerian and basically proud in every way possible |
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| Proud Muslim. Proud Arab. Proud Saudi. Proud of my tribe. |
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| @Zakatsuki_ wow I will like you a lot more from now on, I didnt know you are Algerian |
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| Proud Mexican Yes! Proud Of Religion Yes! Sorry my race is a secret ~ ! ❤️ |
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