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Vanisher said: Somewhat true. But it is still possible to go through all the major key events and still give Kasuga some semblance of humanity. For example, instead of freaking out paralyzed at every little thing, he could actually deliberate the problems before coming up with bad conclusions, and it would have been more forgivable.katsucats said: Well nothing of this would've happened if kasuga wasn't retarded.The few flashes of brilliance in this series makes me wonder what it would be like if all the characters weren't retarded. This is unfortunate, because I feel like they had the material to make this work. So far... 2.5/10. Jaimes said: I don't know what you've been watching all this time, but i'm sure as hell it was'nt Aku no Hana. All kids are retarded. And those with problems do even more retarded shit. Durbikins said: The characters being retarded is the whole point. One of the morales of this story is "everything would've been okay if everyone just chilled the fuck out". Middle schoolers are over dramatic, pretentious retards. Just look at the people on this website. No, middle schoolers might not be as rational as some of us, but they are not full retards as portrayed in this anime. Please don't try to justify a bad script and bad direction with the fact that the main characters are "just kids". That's a bullshit excuse. It is possible to make flawed characters and still maintain rationality. Jaimes, we are watching the same anime, but my eyes are open. |
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katsucats said: No, middle schoolers might not be as rational as some of us, but they are not full retards as portrayed in this anime. I think you need to review the meaning of retardation. |
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amginex said: If I took your point of view, I would be a lot more cynical about this series. It is precisely because I believe that the story would have been a lot better if we got more introspection, perhaps a voiced narration into what's going on inside Kasuga's head, that keeps me wondering about Aku no Hana. I am disappointed, but at least I'm not downright agitated (although I'm very close). What I would have him do is to arrive at the exact same plot points, except with some insight given to the audience as to the thought processes involved, instead of just unexplained, masochistic idiocy coupled with debilitating anxiety disorder that should have sent him to a mental hospital (or at least special school) before the series even started. Kasuga made no attempts to stand up for himself; I would have found it easier to forgive him if he stood up to Nakamura and failed, and certainly that would have made Nakamura more menacing as well. But instead we get a prankster with no substance in Nakamura, a vacuous main character, and a Saeki that incredibly falls in love with a person that has never been able to piece together a sentence in front of her, and can't communicate a single idea.if kasuga stops and take the time to deliberate then the story wouldnt move forward. this will just be another dull series. there is a reason (albeit, not your reason) why the manga had so much following. i mean what would you have him do? i find it fun because of the (stupid and questionable) actions and choices he makes and how deeper shit he goes into because of it. thats where the entertainment comes from. if you take that away, then yes this is a waste of time. btw you should observe middle schoolers more. they might not be ALL retards but there are a lot that you can call retarded without being diagnose as one. obviously this series focuses more on the what you call "retarded" ones. Your suggestion of observing middle schoolers leave me scratching my head. Anyone since age 5 should have the know-how to speak. A second-grader is able to rebuke the advances of a bully, even if he is not successful. Kasuga makes no attempt whatsoever. Never does he say, "No", "Whatever", or even "Fuck the world." He continues to make the worst decision possible at every turn, including bringing Saeki's gym clothes with him on a date -- as if that could be better than whatever alternative Nakamura had threatened. Then he enlisted Nakamura to help expose himself. And even worse is that throughout all this, we have no idea just what he's thinking at all. Wtf?! Are we supposed to still feel sympathy for him? I don't understand why the audience here at MAL seems more invested in Kasuga's future than Kasuga himself, since he clearly doesn't give a fuck. What would have ameliorated this predicament and still hit the same plot points would be if Kasuga runs into Nakamura in the first episode recording him with her cell phone, and he drops one of Saeki's clothes, which would have given him an actual incentive to follow Nakamura's demands in the first place. Nakamura then brings the dropped clothing and tell him to meet her at the bathroom stall, and forces it on him. See, it is possible to hit the same key events and still have the story be somewhat realistic... little-flower said: No, but you clearly relate to Kasuga...I think you need to review the meaning of retardation. |
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| good episode and sooooo short |
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| Riding beyond the hill.. Poetic, but pointless.. |
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edevcimot said: Saeki is just unbelievable, what a girl. She is so epic kind and cute... just awesome All in all this ep was superb... |
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Mauseum said: Riding beyond the hill.. Poetic, but pointless.. Indeed, they will never escape from their sins >:D |
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| Indeed, a lot less walking. Haha, you can not escape! Can't get much better than this though. Go Kasuga! |
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| Kasuga mistake was to follow Nakamura's insanity. |
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| People bashing Takao and subsequently the writing of this series need to realize something. Yes, Takao, like most middle-schoolers, is acting irrational to the extreme; to the point that many of us can't empathize with him anymore. If you pay closer attention to his psyche, however, it's not simply about being with his first love, Saeki. Nakamura's the first person he's ever known that's acknowledged, shared, and embraced his loathing for the society around him; he believes she sees his "true" self. Saeki, conversely, is Kasuga's own unattainable ideal - an image he created in his mind that he was never meant to truly have. When Nakamura forcibly pushed him into the relationship with her, however, he was struggling to keep up his fictitious ideal of Saeki, and didn't want to acknowledge that she was just another person looking for love (Nakamura's intent all along!). While Nakamura is definitely the catalyst, and Takao almost certainly wouldn't have gone over the edge without her, there is an undeniable, latent discontent with the world he perceives around himself, which is aggravated even further based upon his age, peers, and hormones. What he's begun to realize these last couple episodes is that he doesn't love Saeki; not really, anyways. It's in Nakamura that he sees someone who shares his deviant tendencies. The most frustrating thing about Takao, is that he hasn't acknowledged to himself that like Nakamura has said time and again, is that he's a social deviant; he wants to believe that he's a normal person (and not a pervert), but his obsession over literature he doesn't truly understand, his attachment to someone who continually abuses and exposes his inner self, and his constant agonizing over betrayed expectations shows his true colors. I don't think he's badly written; he just genuinely has severe social / psychological problems, exasperated and made worse through Nakamura's constant influence. |
| Wow, even though Saeki didn't say anything exactly I was wondering if any neighbors heard her. Such a straight shooting girl, I'm amazed to see her around these other two characters. But i could also see why he is drawn to Nakamura instead as well. |
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Dangerr said: People bashing Takao and subsequently the writing of this series need to realize something. [...] ^ Word. People who measure how well his character is written by how 'normal' his behaviour is are completely missing the point. His behaviour is not supposed to be normal, nor his relationship with Nakamura. Next episode should be interesting. Still no idea where they're gonna end it. Guess we'll find out soon enough. |
katsucats said: It's certainly true that on a personal level, I am also very frustrated with Kasuga for a variety of reasons. The problem with your argument is that it's based on you superimposing your own belief system onto Kasuga; basically, how you think a middle-shooler should act in contrast to how he does act. Not all people, including 5th graders, are able to act with decisiveness, bravery, and conviction to be a person that can stand up to one such as Nakamura, puberty or not. Those of us that have gone through puberty can only look at the travails and mistakes of youth in hindsight. It's that very hindsight that makes many of us incapable of remembering (much less relating to) the deep despair that young adolescents go through. As such, relating to Kasuga's demeanor is a difficult undertaking, but I feel that his seemingly erratic actions are also realistic. Also, I don't feel any issue with the lack of verbal introspective insight into Kasuga's mind; much of that is expressed non-verbally, i.e. the animation.-snip- Dangerr said: -snip- I largely agree with your psychoanalysis of Kasuga, but there is one point where I disagree. Despite all that Nakamura has done to alter and push the boundaries of Kasuga's psyche, I personally believe that Kasuga is not the deviant that Nakamura is constructing him to think he really is. I certainly agree that he, just as you put it, disdains society and loathes the masses ignorant of the esoteric literature that only he knows of, which disconnects him from everyone else. I also agree that Nakamura's machinations and influence is the outlet in which Kasuga can break out of his 'boring' shell, which allows him to be able to embrace social deviance, but Kasuga's personality, coupled with Nakamura's imposing influence, is forcing an artificial and malign transformation. In other words (and this also goes with amginex's point), Kasuga is an empty void, and he naturally gravitates toward Nakamura to fill it. Nakamura is the means of escape that literature could never provide, but he can never really be a deviant like Nakamura. Accepting that he is a 'pervert' lets him feel less empty, which is what he desired from the beginning, but he is not a sociopath, just a kid trying to find meaning. |
Kjeldoran said: Dangerr said: -snip- I largely agree with your psychoanalysis of Kasuga, but there is one point where I disagree. Despite all that Nakamura has done to alter and push the boundaries of Kasuga's psyche, I personally believe that Kasuga is not the deviant that Nakamura is constructing him to think he really is. I certainly agree that he, just as you put it, disdains society and loathes the masses ignorant of the esoteric literature that only he knows of, which disconnects him from everyone else. I also agree that Nakamura's machinations and influence is the outlet in which Kasuga can break out of his 'boring' shell, which allows him to be able to embrace social deviance, but Kasuga's personality, coupled with Nakamura's imposing influence, is forcing an artificial and malign transformation. In other words (and this also goes with amginex's point), Kasuga is an empty void, and he naturally gravitates toward Nakamura to fill it. Nakamura is the means of escape that literature could never provide, but he can never really be a deviant like Nakamura. Accepting that he is a 'pervert' lets him feel less empty, which is what he desired from the beginning, but he is not a sociopath, just a kid trying to find meaning. Ah, I suppose I was going a bit far in saying that he was naturally a deviant - it's true that he wouldn't have been doing any of this outside of her influence. I guess the point I was trying to make was that he's aligned to it (like you said); much more so than he is to "normal" Saeki. A good remark on the "empty void" comment as well, as you'll soon see: Also, holy crap, you've made me remember the PM you sent me. I meant to get back to you on it shortly after you sent it, but I friggen forgot about it till now! Well, lo and behold, I've hopped on the bandwagon, and I'm loving the ride. |
amginex said: How so? I think I am the opposite of naive in this case for keeping a high standard for realism. If you were to argue that somewhere out there, someone in the world could be so stupid, then you'd be missing the point. The purpose of good drama should be to convince the audience of its realism, not to depend on the audience's wild imagination to make the case for it.feel free to say im misunderstanding your point, youre looking for a deeper reason or at least some developments why the characters do what they do? knowing the manga and what youve talked about so far, you probably wont see it. if im going to dumb down the plot. it basically just tell you, this is whats going on, it is what it is, so take it or leave it. Obviously you dont like it, which is ok, but to say that Kasuga's actions are unrealistic is just naive. amginex said: At this point, you are either grasping at straws or trolling. Nowhere in the above post did I ever say teenagers don't get bullied or blackmailed. In fact, I specifically lamented that Nakamura didn't do enough blackmailing to justify the substance of her threats. However, I did say that even 2nd graders know to object to bullying, or attempt to fight back. Kasuga, on the other hand, is more passive than Lil Wayne on purple drank. I didn't even say that Kasuga needed to make rational decisions, but he does need to demonstrate the ability of thought to begin with. If you do find it realistic that a highly sought-after girl in any school would like a boy that can't even string along a single thought-out sentence in front of her -- he freaks out whenever he's talked to -- then it's obvious to me that you're just finding ways to justify Aku no Hana.i do envy your sheltered world where its hard to imagine middle schoolers being bullied or blackmailed or pressured. where teenagers dont run away, vandalize or do destructive things. they are all rational thinkers that will take time to realize "i couldve said no" or "i couldve done something better" these are all just unrealistic because even 5 yr olds make rational decisions and are smarter than that amginex said: They don't have to change the story. They need to convey thought. I haven't read the manga, so I don't know what's implied in the story, written in between the lines. If the anime fully captured the intent of the manga, then the manga fucking blows.the anime is actually following a successful manga almost scene-by-scene, line-by-line. the manga itself isnt really graphically beautiful or what anyone might consider as great drawing. its pretty generic. my point is that its the story and the events that made aku no hana (manga) popular and its the same plot and setting that they are trying to portray. its an adaptation of a popular manga, changing the story would just be stupid. i mean just look at the backlash when they changed the visuals Kjeldoran said: All viewers of any media "superimpose" their ideas of how any aspect of the story is in contrast to how it actually is -- it's called being engaged. If you aren't thinking about what parts of an anime you like or what could be better, then it's questionable as to whether you're actively watching something at all, or does your eyes just glaze over and your mind entertained by the mere movement of color?It's certainly true that on a personal level, I am also very frustrated with Kasuga for a variety of reasons. The problem with your argument is that it's based on you superimposing your own belief system onto Kasuga; basically, how you think a middle-shooler should act in contrast to how he does act. Kjeldoran said: However, all 5th graders can act, period. A 5th grader may not be able to overcome Nakamura, but he also wouldn't make the worst decision possible at every turn. He wouldn't ask Nakamura, the bully, for help to expose himself because he feels like shit that Saeki doesn't know he stole her gym clothes, and then act shocked when Saeki does find out he stole her gym clothes. A 5th grader without debilitating social anxiety disorder would not stutter at every line for 6 weeks straight (or whatever the time period of episode 2-9 is).Not all people, including 5th graders, are able to act with decisiveness, bravery, and conviction to be a person that can stand up to one such as Nakamura, puberty or not. Kjeldoran said: You might be able to argue that the animation expresses insight into Kasuga's mind, but only on account that Kasuga's mind right now is vacant like a casino during the recession. A more entertaining Kasuga would be shown to have actually deliberated his situation while still arriving to bad conclusions -- which is what I would concede as to what kids do realistically. What kids do not do is freak out, even in the confines of their own bedroom, become incapable of thought, and freeze to the extent that they are forced to assume whatever that's suggested to them. Kasuga needs a double dose of Zoloft.Those of us that have gone through puberty can only look at the travails and mistakes of youth in hindsight. It's that very hindsight that makes many of us incapable of remembering (much less relating to) the deep despair that young adolescents go through. As such, relating to Kasuga's demeanor is a difficult undertaking, but I feel that his seemingly erratic actions are also realistic. Also, I don't feel any issue with the lack of verbal introspective insight into Kasuga's mind; much of that is expressed non-verbally, i.e. the animation. I especially can't believe the veracity of his mindset when I take into account that he's been reading Baudelaire's Les Fleurs du mal. He doesn't seem capable of comprehending it, as if the manga author just included it because he thought it would sound cool, even though it's semi-character breaking. Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia: If rape and poison, dagger and burning, Have still not embroidered their pleasant designs On the banal canvas of our pitiable destinies, It's because our souls, alas, are not bold enough! Here's another one: The spring and verdure, dressed to stagger, Humiliate me with such power That I have punished, in a flower, The insolence of Nature's swagger. And so, one night, I'd like to sneak, When night has tolled the hour of pleasure, A craven thief, towards the treasure Which is your person, plump and sleek. To punish your bombastic flesh, To bruise your breast immune to pain, To farrow down your flank a lane Of gaping crimson, deep and fresh. And, most vertiginous delight! Into those lips, so freshly striking And daily lovelier to my liking — Infuse the venom of my sprite. The book may also imply that Kasuga really is a pervert, although his unreserved recommending of this book to Saeki is contradictory to this suggestion. |
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| 5/5 These eyes say it all, it seems that you want to incinerate, where you can find an anime with a close-up like this? ReasonDesu said:  onewhodreamt said: And I forgot about that "essence of contempt" look:  I agree with the thought. Bet that is a natural example, I could say for the umpteenth time. Whenever it is always better, both for the way we do the characters and the causes that trigger the whole. The design is maintained at levels better than what we saw at the beginning and maybe it's a shame that you have not started so early as the first episode, Nakamura does its dirty work and Saeki is well suited to its role too. I do not know yet where to get volgia nag, but if it does not fit obviously will be a tragic ending! I hope there will be a second season. |
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| Whenever Nakamura turns her head and makes eye contact it's like "whoa" I think, in a way, she's like a sex symbol. What do you guys think? |
| 3nvy said: that eoten be eatin the pizza pi Does anybody know a way that a body could get away? |
katsucats said: I especially can't believe the veracity of his mindset when I take into account that he's been reading Baudelaire's Les Fleurs du mal. He doesn't seem capable of comprehending it, as if the manga author just included it because he thought it would sound cool, even though it's semi-character breaking. Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia: If rape and poison, dagger and burning, Have still not embroidered their pleasant designs On the banal canvas of our pitiable destinies, It's because our souls, alas, are not bold enough! Here's another one: The spring and verdure, dressed to stagger, Humiliate me with such power That I have punished, in a flower, The insolence of Nature's swagger. And so, one night, I'd like to sneak, When night has tolled the hour of pleasure, A craven thief, towards the treasure Which is your person, plump and sleek. To punish your bombastic flesh, To bruise your breast immune to pain, To farrow down your flank a lane Of gaping crimson, deep and fresh. And, most vertiginous delight! Into those lips, so freshly striking And daily lovelier to my liking — Infuse the venom of my sprite. The book may also imply that Kasuga really is a pervert, although his unreserved recommending of this book to Saeki is contradictory to this suggestion. This is next episode spoiler (or 11 depending how they pace it) but: |
VanisherJun 5, 2013 9:18 AM
| 14 is about right, especially when his father is also an avid reader. I was around that age, 15, when I discovered Nietzsche. It's like the same thing. |
| 3nvy said: that eoten be eatin the pizza pi Does anybody know a way that a body could get away? |
katsucats said: I was specifically referring to the point about changing the story in such a way that Kasuga would process things differently but still result in the same plot that we have so far, and that such a notion was just him being frustrated with Kasuga. I should have been more precise with what I was referring to, since you seemed to have misinterpreted what I said and went off on some wild tangent.All viewers of any media "superimpose" their ideas of how any aspect of the story is in contrast to how it actually is -- it's called being engaged. If you aren't thinking about what parts of an anime you like or what could be better, then it's questionable as to whether you're actively watching something at all, or does your eyes just glaze over and your mind entertained by the mere movement of color? katsucats said: Sure, they can act. In a way that is comprehensible to us? Some can, others can't; that's just how kids are. Kasuga is obviously one of the latter. I mean, how could someone like Kasuga, who deems society as ignorant, is detached from his family, and has no friends, not turn to his only outlet, Nakamura? He has heretofore protected himself by staying inside a solitary bubble, which can only lead to self-delusions about his character and to uninformed and erratic actions, so to act how he does under all this new pressure is not a stretch of reality. Frustrating? Absolutely, but still somewhat realistic. However, all 5th graders can act, period. A 5th grader may not be able to overcome Nakamura, but he also wouldn't make the worst decision possible at every turn. He wouldn't ask Nakamura, the bully, for help to expose himself because he feels like shit that Saeki doesn't know he stole her gym clothes, and then act shocked when Saeki does find out he stole her gym clothes. A 5th grader without debilitating social anxiety disorder would not stutter at every line for 6 weeks straight (or whatever the time period of episode 2-9 is). ....What kids do not do is freak out, even in the confines of their own bedroom, become incapable of thought, and freeze to the extent that they are forced to assume whatever that's suggested to them |
Kjeldoran109Jun 9, 2013 5:01 PM
| He's only in the fifth grade? I thought he was 14. nvm, that's weird man. |
| 3nvy said: that eoten be eatin the pizza pi Does anybody know a way that a body could get away? |
| wonder whats over the hill, wow, im really shocked, i think Saeki may be a "Deviant" as well. |
amginex said: Yes, I do seriously believe that all non-mentally retarded teenagers can attempt to defend themselves and attempt to rebuke the advances of a bully. Teenagers do not make comically bad decisions, such as confiding in a bully and self-incriminate in the way that Kasuga does. Like I said, you can make the "somewhere out there..." argument, and that might be true -- that somewhere out there, there is a kid that's this retarded. But that would be a cop out argument as far as any well-written drama should be concerned. It would be like entertaining the existence of the tooth fairy because you cannot absolutely deny that it can't exist.you seriously believe all teenagers can "rebuke the advances of bullies" or even attempts to defend themselves? do you think they all say "no" or " whatever" or even "fuck the world"? And yes there are teenagers that continues to make the worst decisions. And most of these decisions are destructive and unfortunately self-destructive to a point that their lives are ruined (in worst cases, suicides). amginex said: On the contrary, I would say your world view is rainbows and roses of marketing, because apparently you're ready to accept anything anime throws at you. I fully understand that kids make less than optimal decisions, but our standards of "retardation" is like the kitchen sink and the Mediterranean: while you might find many kids that would cross over the kitchen sink of retardation, it would be on the scale of world-record level retardation to cross by able to cross the Mediterranean. There's a difference between being socially awkward and not being able to communicate a single idea. There's a difference between being unsure of oneself and literally panicking at every development throughout the day. There's a difference between being bullied and confiding in the bully to allow him to bully more. There's a difference between stealing other people's belongings and parading around with them at the behest of someone's mere suggestion. I would be willing to accept all of the former in each one of these as common experiences of a typical teenager."middle schoolers might not be as rational as some of us, but they are not full retards as portrayed in this anime" granted, middle schoolers are not FULL of 'retards" but there are more than you think. to say its unrealistic is really naive or just choosing to be ignorant. thus i suggested to observe middle schooler or juveniles more because your view of them are like rainbows and roses to what the actual real world is. amginex said: Kasuga vandalizes school property with the intent of self-incrimination, brings the gym clothes himself onto his date, keeps the gym clothes and takes it around all the time, gets hazed by 1 girl in the library that he willingly goes to with no struggle. A typical teenager becomes self-destructive when he tries to maintain his identity through the wrong outlets; Kasuga is self-destructive because he has no identity, projects unrealistic ideals onto other people (which is reasonable in itself), but then freaks out at a mere suggestion in contradiction with those ideals. A typical teenager does not actually believe the bully when he taunts, "Your moms a slut." A teenager wouldn't break down at the suggestion of, "Your girlfriend wants to fuck you." A teenager would breathe a fucking epic sigh of relief when his girlfriend says, "I believe you; let's take our relationship a step further." Even a teenager's dates do not usually pan out well when all the guy says is, "Eh?" and act surprised at everything the girl says or does.in this anime, Kasuga's self-destructiveness is messing up relationships with people that cares about him, vandalizing the school and running away. Getting bullied and manipulated by nakamura - into wearing the gym clothes during the date, not unrealistic at all. keeping the gym clothes instead of throwing it away, questionable but not unrealistic. getting undressed and re-dressed in the library, unlikely but it happens (google hazing). obviously Kasuga's character is the weak-willed "retarded" kind. amginex said: I can pick up on subtle facial expressions hinting what the current Kasuga might "feel" -- if this soulless bastard can feel anything at all. I am suggesting that it's not enough, that with some minor character tweaking this show could be a lot better. I am suggesting that it is possible to still hit all the major plot points even with a Kasuga that's a lot more mainstream, more assertive, and the anime would be 100 times more critically entertaining, more daring and bold if the author had the balls to create a realistic story without extreme archetypes and cliches.just to not have a misunderstanding, i dont disagree if you think Kasuga is "retarded". youre entitled to that opinion, i can even agree with you on that. just saying your view of how teenagers are is flawed (diff topic) As to your inquiry about "Why Kasuga does the things he does" or his reasons for all of it. yes, these are questionable, but there are subtle hinting all over the episodes. Facial expressions are harder to pick up because of the difference in animation in comparison to what anime-fans are normally used to. even i cant understand some of their emotions especially when the faces are blank. but not everything need to be explained through inner-dialogue or pointing everything out. And i agree, it can seems pretentious and frustrating at times i can say that the cheek-blushing thing is one unrealistic thing in the animation. it is what it is. its ok not to like it Ultimately, everything is what it is, but that does not mean we should not criticize it for its flaws. Aku no Hana could have been a 7-8/10 to me if it was more in line with my suggestions, but now it is hovering around a 2/10 -- and that's a real shame, because they had the structure of the plot to make this work. I guarantee that with my changes, all you people who think Aku no Hana deserve a 7/10 now would think that Aku no Hana is a masterpiece 11/10 by the time I'm done with it. All they have to do is send me the script and let me make some changes. I'd work pro bono. |
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Vanisher said: That explains it, but I maintain that it would have worked to better effect if they made Kasuga more pretentious and smug, but that would require giving Kasuga a bit higher self-esteem, at least at the start.katsucats said: This is next episode spoiler (or 11 depending how they pace it) but:I especially can't believe the veracity of his mindset when I take into account that he's been reading Baudelaire's Les Fleurs du mal. He doesn't seem capable of comprehending it, as if the manga author just included it because he thought it would sound cool, even though it's semi-character breaking. |
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zombiepika said: wonder whats over the hill, wow, im really shocked, i think Saeki may be a "Deviant" as well. Nobody in this anime is really a 'deviant' aside from maybe Nakamura, who seems to enjoy tormenting with others, especially the weak. Kasuga seems to be a normal teenage boy, nothing he did previous to meeting Nakamura stood out, even taking Saeki's gym cloths. It's because he constantly tells himself consciously that he's a 'deviant' that he's becoming more paranoid and weirder. Nakamura's reinforcement isn't helping Kasuga either. As for Saeki, she seems to be the most normal out of the 3 characters. After watching this episode, it's clear that Saeki was excited to find out that Kasuga was he one who stole her gym cloths because as she stated, it's her first. |
realm087 said: On the contrary, I do not expect Kasuga to act anywhere close to what I would have done; I expect him to act within a (very wide) range of normalcy, with the intellectual capacity and rational responses one would expect from a 9-15 year old. Saying that everybody is different doesn't automatically justify every conceivable response to a situation, even if it makes absolutely no sense, and there's no motivation for the character to act that way.realm087 said: You're confused. I'm not looking for "normal", I'm looking for "rational". There's a wide range of behaviors that qualify my expectations, not a singular approach like you're suggesting. I can judge a story by the characters' actions -- if a character's actions are so jarring that it discredits the narrative of the story, then the entire story loses its dramatic effect. I suggest that if the author wants his audience to relate to the story and derive some sort of meaning, next time he should write something a little bit more realistic.What you call normal is not true for everybody else's mind. You can't judge a story by the character's actions alone, but as a full connection between actions and consequences that have a meaning to the point the autor is trying to show to us. realm087 said: Are you 12?There's a lot to learn about peoples acomplishments AND mistakes. If you can't accept that fact, then you must be some kind of sociopath, who doesn't like the fact that other people are just different. realm087 said: And please understand that a character being "just how he is" does not contradict any description of his behavior, and it does not disqualify him from judgment. Every character ever created are just how they are -- it is tautology.It also has nothing to do with the characters being retarded. It's just how the main character is, and theres a big purpose for how he is depicted. Please understand the actual importance of the actions to the plot, as an anime`s purpose isn`t to show how to be cool or how every human being should behave. |
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katsucats said: realm087 said: On the contrary, I do not expect Kasuga to act anywhere close to what I would have done; I expect him to act within a (very wide) range of normalcy, with the intellectual capacity and rational responses one would expect from a 9-15 year old. Saying that everybody is different doesn't automatically justify every conceivable response to a situation, even if it makes absolutely no sense, and there's no motivation for the character to act that way.realm087 said: You're confused. I'm not looking for "normal", I'm looking for "rational". There's a wide range of behaviors that qualify my expectations, not a singular approach like you're suggesting. I can judge a story by the characters' actions -- if a character's actions are so jarring that it discredits the narrative of the story, then the entire story loses its dramatic effect. I suggest that if the author wants his audience to relate to the story and derive some sort of meaning, next time he should write something a little bit more realistic.What you call normal is not true for everybody else's mind. You can't judge a story by the character's actions alone, but as a full connection between actions and consequences that have a meaning to the point the autor is trying to show to us. realm087 said: Are you 12?There's a lot to learn about peoples acomplishments AND mistakes. If you can't accept that fact, then you must be some kind of sociopath, who doesn't like the fact that other people are just different. realm087 said: And please understand that a character being "just how he is" does not contradict any description of his behavior, and it does not disqualify him from judgment. Every character ever created are just how they are -- it is tautology.It also has nothing to do with the characters being retarded. It's just how the main character is, and theres a big purpose for how he is depicted. Please understand the actual importance of the actions to the plot, as an anime`s purpose isn`t to show how to be cool or how every human being should behave. wtf did i just read? |
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| the next episode is gonna be good. |
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| Back to slightly better pacing after last episode's horrible time waster on a long walk home. No big differences from the source worth noting, praising or criticizing this episode. Things are happening according to "plan", and I expect next episode to be better because of what's going to happen next. |
| Hmm, interesting ... I was hoping Saeki's "confession" to Kasuga would bring him back to school but I guess not. So he's gonna go away beyond the hill with Nakamura? Hmm ... and his poor mom too, riding around trying to find him >_< A little slow this episode I think. Though I suppose I can see Kasuga just wanting to "run away" if everyone knows what he did ... |
| Mission accomplished. Good thing here is people wanting him to act as they want. Wanna hush hush Saeki? In your dreams. 5/5 |
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greenmush said: Kasuga you stupid pussy. How can you just let your mom go looking for you and ignoring her. She looked retarded. |
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| I thought this episode was pretty cool. : ) |
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| Kasuga's a douche to his mom. |
| Saeki sure is a sweet girl with a very interesting mindset! I really like where the story is going and I wonder what's next! |
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| Yes, new OP next episode |
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| I wonder if people like Kasuga really exist. It's one thing to lack a backbone, but Kasuga seems more like a caricature than a person with real emotions. Good god he should be glad that his girlfriend is understanding enough as to let him explain things even after all the crazy stuff he did. |
| I really liked the new version of the ending theme (quicker and with a bassline). I guess it shows the climax is yet to come, hope it won't disappoint. |
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| Saeki is actually an angel tbh. And considering she literally told him she forgave him for taking her gym clothes & that everything would be okay, it's a shame he's still going along with Nakamura's manipulations :c Still, he's only supposed to be around 14 I think, some people are VERY easily swayed/influenced at that age (and even beyond that age). BUT AUGH IT'S SO AWFUL SAEKI IS SO NICE |
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