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| It was quite good, but they talked too much. Seriously, they were talking WAY too much. 45 minutes of constant dialouges. XP beat's me, I'm finished for now, but i'm looking foward to the next episode. |
Cloudy-Sky said: Hmmm I gave it 10/10 for the first ep. From my point of view it was absolutely perfect from every side. Great Op/ending. Great chars.Great music. Great voice actors. Dunno i just loved it. I hope the rest of eps are as good as this one was. I'm with you Cloudy-Sky. I'm not sure what all the bickering is about. Yes they could have not used so much dialog and yes they could painted a better picture, perhaps if it was a prequel. I think the problem everyone is having is that the amount of background information that they wanted to get across to everyone made the show feel rushed. I'm gonna think of it this way, the simplistic art design was beautiful, quite possibly even bad/good art that kept my attention at all times. I could care less if their mouths were constantly moving, because you could easily turn off the dialogue and just watch the beauty of the animation. I'm thinking that since this was an introductory episode, they following episodes probably won't have as much dialogue. But if you (Edit: Can't) read fast or don't speak Japanese then you better take a speed reading class. I'm really looking forward to the next episodes now. It looks like this story has a lot of potential and it's going to be beautiful while it plays out. |
Orion1Jan 29, 2010 4:39 AM
Orion1 said: I could care less if their mouths were constantly moving, because you could easily turn off the dialogue and just watch the beauty of the animation. See, that's the thing though. While there definitely was splendid animation when it happend, there wasn't as much as I hoped for due to the excessive dialogue. Orion1 said: But if you can read fast or don't speak Japanese then you better take a speed reading class. I'm really looking forward to the next episodes now. It looks like this story has a lot of potential and it's going to be beautiful while it plays out. Wait, did you mean "can read" or "can't read?" If you meant "can't" then I personally think doesn't make any sense to have to take a speed reading course for the pure sake of watching an animated story. Orion1 said: Characters are fun - sure, she could show "thiiiiiiiis maaaany swords" but this would make them feel childish - you guys do realise the main char is at least 20? I personally don't use many gestures when talking with people at work or meeting with strangers and it's exactly what this episode was about. Who, you mean the girl? If so, then you gotta admit, she does kinda act a bit naive. Not a lot, but a little. And yes, many people such as you in real life wouldn't use many gestures when talking with people in real life such as the one I above example mentioned. But you still use gestures, even if it's subconsciously. You don't just absolutely stay still. And I don't know about everyone else, but I think it's okay to exaggerate gestures in animation. Not to ridiculous proportions of course, but still. |
HypeathonJan 27, 2010 4:54 PM
| I have to agree with some people here (the minority though) who think that the episode wasn't bad, but it was lacking. Like Hypeathon already said, anime is supposed to be a visual medium...so use it! It's not like I would have any problem with a huge load of narration, I like it if they use their time to explain instead of just act... But this episode was like watching a modern reinactment of a play, where the actors sit on a bench and read their dialogue. It was surely good voice acting, animation quality was good too...but they just didn't make any proper use of the visual aspect. Maybe they are trying to save money...but I bothered to read some later excerpts from the novel and the pattern doesn't change that much, it still stays 90% talking (which is typical of Nishio...it's just his style). And in cases like that I embrace post-modern approaches like Shaft's because at least they give me reason to actually WATCH it instead of just read it. The minimal action that was delivered could have been replaced by some nicely drawn illustrations in a novel any time. |
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| I'm giving it a "liked it" for now just cuz I'm still getting used to the animation style. It feels a bit off for me. They really don't show much emotion through their faces. But at the same time I like it. It's refreshing and new so it's just a matter of getting used to it. Also, I love the voice work and the writing. Great dialogue. Although the whole beach scene seemed a bit drawn out for just that quick little skirmish. But like I said, just a matter of getting used to it. Also, someone complained before about it being an hour long but I enjoyed it and didn't even realize it was that much longer. Signs of a good show. Lookin forward to the romance (which already started off weird but I like it) |
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| Also. I thought the animation was spectacular. Everything just overflowed with colors and detail. Very pretty |
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seizonsha said: Thank you!!Like Hypeathon already said, anime is supposed to be a visual medium...so use it! It's not like I would have any problem with a huge load of narration, I like it if they use their time to explain instead of just act... But this episode was like watching a modern reinactment of a play, where the actors sit on a bench and read their dialogue. It was surely good voice acting, animation quality was good too...but they just didn't make any proper use of the visual aspect. seizonsha said: Where do you even look for the light novel anyway? I honestly find it more difficult to find text from a light novel than anything else.Maybe they are trying to save money...but I bothered to read some later excerpts from the novel and the pattern doesn't change that much, it still stays 90% talking (which is typical of Nishio...it's just his style). |
HypeathonJan 27, 2010 6:07 PM
| I didn't have a problem with the episode itself, but I still have a problem. It was a good start and showed a lot of potential (I'd give it an 8/10), but honestly, seeing that it's more than half an hour and you've got a whole month to wait for the next episode, I expected better (don't get me wrong though, I still liked it; I just felt that it was lacking). That aside, production was amazing, and Iwasaki Taku is awesome. I'm not too fond of the character designs, but everything else was beautiful to look at. And NisioIsin. I love the dialogue; it felt like Bakemonogatari to a certain degree. Also "strategian" is not a word. It's strategist. Just sayin' because that's what the subs I watched with had. |
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| Great. This show holds a lot of promise. A lot of the humor required you to be paying close attention. I laughed more during this episode than any other of a show this season. I was picking up heavy Muramasa: The Demon Blade vibes from the promo and art (it's a Wii game, the sequel to Odin Sphere). Here's a screen:  Clearly, it won't be anything like it. I'm still in love with the art style of this show nonetheless. |
| Great story....bad graphics. I'm sorry, I just cant stand the look and feel of this show. I'll continue to give it a shot just like I do with all the other series I watch though. Hopefully I can get used to this abstract avatar like cartoon feeling. |
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| A surprise, totally unexpected. I thought this would be another crappy show like Sengoku Basara but I was wrong. The overall dialogue and expressions reminded me of Spice and Wolf; and that is enougt to keep watching it. The seiyus were awesome as well and the soundtrack was amazing, can't wait to get my hands on it. On the other hand, the animation it's my biggest concern. The eyes may be funny but look totally out of place. The overall animation of the characters reminded me of Pocahontas movies, and that did not impress me at all. The surroundings and spaces were good though. |
| I really liked this episode, and am hoping that it stays this beautiful. The animation and colors were soft and pleasing to the eyes and the story was at least a little intriguing. Hopefully it can settle my expectations. Gyafun |
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| I actually really liked it. The dialogue was quirky and fun and I like the different art style. Really loving Shichika x Togame :) |
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| I liked the art style which was pretty appealing. But the long drearily exposition seemed to go on and on. The dialogue between the ninja and shichika went on forever before they managed to duke it out and finished in a uneventful last secret ultimate move that shichika happened to create on the same day. A lot seemed to be crammed down the viewers throat in 1 episode. I don't mind this since this is essentially the introduction to the series. I'm hoping latter episodes focus more on the characters and having them be developed. Also whats with the dense main character shicika and falling over heals so easily and saying i love you when they just met a little awhile ago. I really hope shicika isn't as dense as this episode depicted him as. Cliche for a beginning but nothing dreadful. |
| Really get my attention..great stuff hope it will last long |
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| nice plot ... hate the art. |
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| Art is very refreshing. Looking nice. Everything else is also looking promising. Might turn out very generic in the end, but for now this was a pretty good pick. |
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| The first episode was great, I love the art it's pretty original and has a great feel to it...Rather then being generic like most anime today. |
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| Great first episode. A nicely introducted story with compelling characters, unusual but quite good art and an above-average direction. It's still a bit too talkative for its own good (not as much as Bakemonogatari though) and maybe not overly funny, but it's a very good show undoubtedly. |
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| WOAH That's like.. A review meant for the last episode, or the series as a whole xD |
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Oosran said: WOAH That's like.. A review meant for the last episode, or the series as a whole xD same reaction here. |
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| Hmm not sure what to think about this, when I first read about it the story sounded somewhat interesting but after watching this episode I'm a bit split. First off the art is absolutely horrendous and appalling and should never be used in anything that's aimed at people above 7.. Most of the dialogues where quite entertaining and enjoyable (kinda reminded me of spice and wolf in a way) but still a few parts just felt badly written. As for the story so far it seems quite shallow and boring, and their "relationship" really felt out of place, especially the parts where she started to blush and acted like she had known him for some time and already where in love.. honestly.. And by the look of things they'll kiss in the next episode, it just feel a bit unnatural and rushed. Also 12 swords, 12 episode, one fight and one sword collected per ep? No this anime doesn't display allot of promise in my opinion. |
| this anime looks really awesome, ill be looking forward to the next episode and btw i also love that the episodes are like 50 minutes long :P |
Yokurama said: Woah! : o It was 50min long? O.oand btw i also love that the episodes are like 50 minutes long :P No wonder it took so long xD (Yeah I wasn't watching the episode in one run, was doing other stuffs as well) |
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| Over-scripted, under-animated, and under-directed. This show felt like it was trying to do Shaft, but ended up feeling more like a Cartoon Network show (and not the good ones). Someone earlier hit the nail on the head when they said dialogue is embellishment, used to further characterize the cast, and open a different path for displaying relationships. This was all exposition. The only slightly clever moment of dialogue was the conversation inside the house where the sister talks about 1,000 not being a lot, and 100,000 being a lot, with the main guy agreeing with her. On top of that, though, the character's faces and bodies were so lacking in expression that when the ninja guy was talking, I just felt like he was really over-acting, and it got on my nerves very quickly. I didn't like it, but maybe it will get better now that they're through with the exposition. |
| The first episode wasn't that great, there was way too much talking and the main girl is annoying, but I like the character design and feel this could be very enjoyable. Good historical shows are so rare :< Oosran said: You should think of them more as different or creative :P On a different note.. Why do them ninja-guys look like complete retards? ٩(๏_๏)۶ Though this guy made me laugh; |
MonochromeJan 28, 2010 12:50 PM
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Monochrome said: Oh, right, right, sorry 'bout that, I meant different or creative retards : 3Oosran said: You should think of them more as different or creative :P On a different note.. Why do them ninja-guys look like complete retards? ٩(๏_๏)۶ Though this guy made me laugh; And that guy btw.. From what little I can see of his face, it looks upside-down O.o I mean, it looks like the nose goes upwards, and his eyebrows are below his eyes >.> |
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| not bad... didn't expected to like this the animation was a little odd for me but not bad I really laughed at Shichika saying "I love you" at the end of the epi. what an odd way of saying it :D |
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| Does this mean we are getting 12 episodes(according to MAL's listing) with each one 50 mins. , awesome. But still needs less text and more action (I have seen Bakemonogatari so I know the style), the ultimate move was cool. |
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| his moves reminds me of Fist of North Star somehow lol. Despite the talking, the second half of the episode was pretty good. |
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| Hmm... just watched the subbed version... i got to say... a little too much talking and not enough action? I am hoping that since its the first episode they are using it to set the background. Let's see wat epi 2 will have... |
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| Hm, i watched it now a second time.. I still like it, even more than when i watched it the first time. I had all the crithisizm in my mind while watching it again. Why are there not many expressions and gesture? Think about it: 2 People living practically a live only as a family of 3, they don't need pretty much of them explaining themselves to each other. We use them mostly to give subtle messages, or to express something more clearly, but they never had to. The other one a self-proclaimed "stategian" surely doesn't want to give any hints how she really thinks, therefore only using language. But we saw her surprising face more than once and when she thought she was right, so i don't think there is a lack of expressions, moreover i think it fits perfectly. About the dialouges and their lenght: I thought it fits, too. The "Strategian" wants to fully describe her plan and seems to enjoy her own voice. The 2 isolated just wanting to keep up with their guest. The ninja trying to intimidate his enemy and later trying to convince him or rather distract him. And I also think, that some things they said are targeted on those who aren't in this stuff like most of us (When Koumori talked about Katanas), but this could alos be a coincidence. But it was funny when Shichika complained about if everyone from the mainland talks so much. And the love thing: I don't think Shichika is already in love with her, nor does he knows what love is. He seems to aknowledge her or in some way admire her. Why do I think that? He was really surprised when he found out, that she's seeking the help of the man, who killed her father, alternatively the help of his son, quiet an obstacle to overcome in his thoughts. So he's just interested. And Togame's reactions? If i'm right, she blushed 4 times now. First was when Koumori laughed about her attempt getting Shichika to work for her. The second was because of the compliment about her eyes. She also admitted, that he is attractive by saying something like "he has a strong body" and "not quiet bad looking" and "he would pass by that" (quotes are not really nailed, but they should catch most part of the meaning), so i think it was dedicated to his look. Then she gets a compliment from him, while she probably never thaught about this probability, even if she wants him to fall for her. And also that she got betrayed most of the time and had to outdo her enemies with intelligence, so no room for feelings. Shichika's words were a charming surprise attack directly after giving up most of her hopes, which girl wouldn't blush on this background? So how's a "strategian" handling this situation in which she gets more than she believed and in a way she never really thought of with an attractive man, who doesn't really care about anything happening so far, doing all this just for her sake? Sooo if she would have a clear mind it would be, in my opinion, unrealistic to not blush while talking about Shichika and what happened or will happen and her own behaviour ("you sure are a kind woman" -> blush (whatever she thought about in that moment)). I hope i made my thoughts understandable enough. And yay, awesome fighting! And yay again, awesome main charakter! And anyone noticed, that the fighting stances of Shichika are named after flowers, or that the whole scenery (Clothes for example) display flowers? |
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| I hated the episode... was not enjoyable to watch. Places in drop bin. |
Oosran said: Heh, I actually didn't notice that. Not sure about the eyes, but that's just how they draw noses. It still wouldn't surprise me if he flipped his head around xD And he's not even the strangest looking guy. I think the bee and crow are about even with him lolMonochrome said: Oh, right, right, sorry 'bout that, I meant different or creative retards : 3Oosran said: You should think of them more as different or creative :P On a different note.. Why do them ninja-guys look like complete retards? ٩(๏_๏)۶ Though this guy made me laugh; And that guy btw.. From what little I can see of his face, it looks upside-down O.o I mean, it looks like the nose goes upwards, and his eyebrows are below his eyes >.> |
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| Interesting story, poor execution. I like some of what I saw but it took me a while to figure out what it was I didn't like. I can understand why there is heavy dialogue. This is a light novel adaptation after all, and not just any light novel, but that of Nisio Isin--same writer as Bakemonogatari. The art was great and the animation was smooth, but watching scenes involving conversations were like taking sleeping pills. The directing didn't make the dialogues interesting, at all, and the characters even felt very one dimensional. There was no impact. A talk between Hitagi and Araragi was fun to watch and listen to because there was rhythm and nice "punches." A talk between Togame and Shichika is boring and seems scripted, read, flat. For now, I can only accept this level of directing and hope it improves, because I really like the art, the concept, and the potential relationship development between Togame and Shichika. However, I honestly wish SHAFT, Shinbou had done the dialogue portion and WHITE FOX the action. If only. |
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| I enjoyed this episode, despite the extensive dialogue. I will definitely continue to watch. (I think this is the first anime show I saw with episodes this long, I wouldn't mind if this happened more often) |
| An interesting start. It provided the backstory of this world but I think the dialogue was slightly dragged out, especially the attempted clever parts between Shichika and Koumori. Hopefully the next episode will have less dialogue and more stuff happening but other than that, pretty good production values. Backdrops and scenary were pretty nice and the music was good too. I can see Shichika and Togame having a cute little relationship in the future. |
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Hypeathon said: Orion1 said: Characters are fun - sure, she could show "thiiiiiiiis maaaany swords" but this would make them feel childish - you guys do realise the main char is at least 20? I personally don't use many gestures when talking with people at work or meeting with strangers and it's exactly what this episode was about. Yaaaaa.. I didn't say that. I feel like I'm on fox news here. But thanks for correcting my typo. Basically after reading all the criticism, I still liked the the art design and feel that this show has potential. However, I do agree with Notehero about the character designs being reminiscent to newer American animation shows on CN. People this isn't necessary a bad thing. As for all the exposition it is what is, an introduction. If they would have tried to explain all the background with the use of flashback in one episode it would have felt even more rushed and probably wouldn't have flowed well. The concentration of the episode was supposed to be on the protagonists. The wordiness of the dialogue and the art really did just seem like a stylistic approach that people are either going to really hate or enjoy. |
| I LOVE IT. End of. Expecting much more :) |
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| Meh, everybody's criticising, but I liked it :) Shichika and his sister's 'That's not much' talk was priceless, as was his surprise kick. 'Now that I look, it's Togame?' I have a feeling I'll really like him :) I think his seiyuu is doing a very good job, despite this being his, what, 3rd role? |
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| So they just left Nanami (who is sick even!) alone on the island in a broken house? Sorry but that's the only part of the episode that didn't make sense to me at all. The rest was pretty awesome but I hope the next ep will have less talking and more action. |
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| OMFG I survived the eps.... So much talking.... |
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