| There are plenty of reasons to hate it. The episodic early episodes Unneccessary religious symobolism The beta af MC Lack of animation, especially with the last two episodes Fanservice and overused archetypes And probably a lot more. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| I didn't think this show can stand the test of time. It may have been good for its time, but it starts to get annoying overtime. These characters have not gotten over their trauma even if they happened at least 10 years ago and still remain bratty, whiny, introverted depressed characters. Like Misato needs to lay off the drinking, Asuka needs to lay off the brattiness, Rei needs to lay off the shyness and Shinji needs to lay off the ball-up-and-be-passive behavior. All of the other characters seem to be nothing but perverted or just mean people who do almost nothing to help these characters with problems. Most of the time, they just remain calm and patient and treat them like the fragile individuals they are. No therapy, no psychiatrist, no medication, no counselling, no discipline, no sitting down and talking to them about their problems or anything like that. Well, Shinji is the one who had received the most scolding, but everyone else didn't get that. The show is emotionally manipulative (though maybe not Clannad emotionally manipulative but in a different way) with forced drama and the characters can be absurd. The show is very violent and Asuka is probably the most screwed up of the characters and it baffles me. She kicks doors, she is so narcissistic, jealous, moody and erratic that she only trusts very few people and is overall, just not that friendly to be around. But all the other characters I wouldn't be friends with neither, because like Shinji, he's always crying and almost never does fight, Rei is normally nice but she doesn't talk much, do much, or socialize so it can make her boring and submissive, and Misato is always drinking, which could be the cause of some of her angry behavior and such and such. I also wasn't a fan of the animation or the voice acting, Tiffany grant just comes off as arrogant and crazy, Hikari sounds like a southern girl, and the other girl voices don't sound that individual. The fact that it has such mean characters in it should've been left to the angels, which are the real villains of the series unless possibly if they had some kind of redemption and wanted to correct their mistkaes but it still probably wouldn't have made a difference. I even hated Asuka and Shinji's 'friends', Hikari seems to be nothing more than a pointless stereotype to appease Asuka while Toji and Kensuke are just buttholese who Shinji should stay away from. |
Angry_Anime_NerdApr 10, 2017 4:44 PM
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. |
| It's perfectly understandable in my opinion, and this is coming from a guy who considers it one of the all time greats. The plot can be hard to follow near the end, some may find the characters obnoxious and it has inconsistent animation. It's not a series for everyone. |
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| For as bizzare..and low budget..the last two episodes were (WITHOUT the knowledge of EoE), everything before then was some amazing stuff. Like, wonderful. Brilliant, in every way. And totally, completely worth every single bit of praise it's given. I'd take an ending ten times worse just for the good stuff. Great stuff. |
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VARice22 said: Because they gave us a philosophy shit show instead of an actual ending. What happened to Askua? What about Lilith? What the fuck is the black moon? the last two episodes are completely fabricated and useles. I hate to state the obvious, but have you seen End of Evangelion? |
| Because several reasons, but most of it: - Very few actual explanations of the story and the backstory. - Shinji whines way too much. I mean, I was suicidal in my teens, several people I know were quite depressed too. But I never actually met someone with as much pussy-ness as Shinji. - The overall sexual frustration of the main characters exhibited along the entire anime. Freud would say that Asuka, Shinji and Misato (less) are definitely psychologically ill because of the lack of sex and obsession with it (they think it gives them meaning) which makes them invent all the problems they have. - Mixing of the Christian symbolism with Jewish folklore which makes it all a soup of mysticism. I mean, you don't put Jesus and his cross into Judaism. If I didn't read this, I would have remained confused about the whole anime which failed to inform us about some key points. I don't get the 10/10 ratings. I mean, if it changed you as a person and you were like Shinji - completely dependent on other people's opinions, then I might get it. |
hardrock13Jul 26, 2017 12:50 PM
| To get it out of the way: the first part was actually really great. I really liked the comedy/ecchi parts. My hate began when NGE started getting mindrape-y. Reasons: -It was extremely hard to follow at first. (Well this is my fault, I admit, but the subs went way too fast, and I had a ton of trouble keeping up, but after a few episodes I adapted and I understood what was going on) -It's extremely pretentious. I felt like NGE was going to go REALLY deep, but ultimately it boiled down to "Shinji is an insecure sack of shit and NGE is basically about his quest for finding self-worth and meaning in life". Okay, I get that. It's fine if you like that sort of story, too. But really, why am I supposed to care? Why is it important? I don't care at all. -Those scenes with extremely long periods of silence and those scenes that kept repeating (like that one scene with Asuka) were REALLY grating and annoying, to say the least. -That ending. What the hell? What happened? -Everyone got quite hateable at the end. Shinji got way too angsty, Asuka got way too edgy, and Rei's just really odd. Honestly, it'd be better if it ended with everyone dying, imo. /rant |
DeciBel said: VARice22 said: Because they gave us a philosophy shit show instead of an actual ending. What happened to Askua? What about Lilith? What the fuck is the black moon? the last two episodes are completely fabricated and useles. I hate to state the obvious, but have you seen End of Evangelion? EoE was not directly apart of NGE, as semantical as that sounds it's bothering to some. Not liking the episode, I get it. But thinking the last moments of the series somehow invalidates the rest of the great stuff is something I don't understand. Even if the ending was complete utter garbage with no rhyme of reason of happening, which it isn't, the series as a whole would still be great. |
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Nishi_23 said: -Those scenes with extremely long periods of silence and those scenes that kept repeating (like that one scene with Asuka) were REALLY grating and annoying, to say the least. /rant yeah it did that to pad out the budget, and it was annoying..but out of all scenes to pick, I don't understand aiming for the elevator one. where the silence was used to its utmost advantage. |
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| Because people dont know what the fuck is going on. |
| @ashfrliebert If I remember well, the scene was also kept for the second Shin movie (though the silences were reduced). I want to cite another good usage of such "annoying long periods of silence": the one with Shinji and Misato & co. at the train station. |
| I have high expectations this show was going to be great. But It Dissapoint on many levels. First the plot is so slow every episode is beating monsters call the angel In the series. Thats just It,nothing besides that no main villian just beating Angels. Second The lack likeable characters. I hardly care about any of the characters.I only like Rei Ayanami who for me is the best girl In the series. I extremely hate Asuka is so despicable and stupid bitch.she is my hatest In this show right now. Rin Tohsaka from Fate series>>>>>Asuka from Neo genesis evangelion by 100 times. Third I just don t know where is this plot heading or even heading too?I am on episode 18 half of the episodes without Rei Ayanami is hell of boringness. Lol I watch this far only Rei Ayanami and Shinji Ikari to some extent. |
| I have no idea. It's pretty freaking great. The manga is also great too. Worth reading if you haven't. Not a fan of Asuka, Misato is best Eva girl. |
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| Many people don't like complicated Animes like that and also they don't like whiny main characters and Mecha shows. Also because it's pretty popular and many people can't deal with that. I love NGE but I seriously think it's not for everybody. |
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| It always sounded silly to me when people say that NGE is a bad show because Shinji is a weak, emotional teenager that runs away from his problems. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! Shinji Ikari is the anime representation of millions of depressed, insecure, young men. Many of whom watch anime themselves. Shinji's running away from his duty to pilot the EVA mirrors the escapism of otaku, losers, hardcore gamers, and other outcasts. |
leunam6Oct 16, 2017 4:21 PM
| Because its a garbage overrated anime with some of the most obnoxious characters in anime (Shinji and Asuka), tries way too hard to be D E E P and ends up being laughable as a result. The plot is a trainwreck too, starts out as a generic monster of the week show and ends up with stupid mindfucks The fanbase is also pretentious as hell. Overall it was still fun it but thats because it was an unintentionally hilarious trainwreck for me. @AncientStiffy Great detailed post, couldn't agree more! |
Aardwolf94Nov 15, 2017 11:28 AM
| I'm going to start by saying this. The series did have plenty of good things going for it, so I can definitely see why it's garnered the fanbase that it has. However, there was also a lot I personally found wrong with the execution of the series. While some of the characters were indeed well-written and interesting in their own ways (Though I didn't like her as a person, Asuka in particular was believable and actually grew a fair amount by EoE), the rest of them were either stagnant in development (Shinji), one-note (Rei's sole personality trait was her backstory), or just kinda... there with no real purpose. That's a point against the series in my book. While the concepts and plot points of the story were interesting, it was a terrible move on the part of the writers to rely on materials outside of the anime to convey those crucial details. That's like if somebody handed you a puzzle telling you to complete it, but only handed you half of the pieces, and the guy then says you have to go to Wal-Mart to buy the rest. If you're going to deliver a story with vague elements, that's fine. Gakkougurashi's manga for instance does this well on several occasions. But there is a difference between subtle implication and complete lack of explanation, a difference that Eva never truly grasped. So that's another point against the series. I would talk about the ending as another problem, but the previous point sums up one of the more major problems with both endings. Instead, let's talk about symbolism and philosophy. Symbolism is hard to talk about because it's always open to interpretation as to what exactly it means. Take Silent Hill and Persona as good examples of that. But there's a problem here. It's impossible to tell what's symbolic and what's there just because Anno thought it looked cool. Going back to Silent Hill and Persona, virtually everything in the former was symbolic, so everything's free to be interpreted, while the latter drew a clear line between its non-symbolic mundane elements and its symbolic supernatural elements. Evangelion is inconsistent about this aspect, to the point where even after thinking about it extensively, I wholeheartedly believe that the symbolism didn't really mean much of anything. As for philosophy, it wasn't particularly deep in that sense either. At least, all of its themes would be helpful to somebody like Shinji, but for me, who just lived a normal life, the philosophical messages just seemed obvious and trivial to me. I wouldn't be too disappointed with that, but unfortunately, in both endings, it just explains those themes to the viewer outright, rather than letting the story do the talking. And then the last nail in Eva's coffin for me was its dwindling budget, which came to the point where there was a lot of overused reused footage, still-frames and long-shots, which rarely felt like they existed for any purpose aside from saving a few bucks. So, while there was a lot to like about the series, the reasons to dislike it simply outweighed those in my opinion. I dislike it not because it was too deep, nor too psychological, nor too philosophical. Just one look at my favorites, such as Murasakiiro no Qualia, Reina Kamisu, and Death Note, will tell you the contrary. I disliked the series because in its attempts to do everything, it ended up failing at everything. But of course, I'm just one person. The fans like it for their own reasons, even if I don't agree with them, and even other people who dislike the show may do so for reasons that differ from my own. While it's important to look at all sides of the argument, there is no critical voice more trustworthy than one's own. |
TwilightCelicaNov 15, 2017 12:16 PM
Spady said: I don't like this show, because I don't like this show. I hate this show due to "2deep4u" fans. Phichology and philosophy are good, but it does not go alongside the story, it goes instead of the story. That's the main problem. Too many questions left unanswered, too many plot holes. We need to read plot explanations in art-books, instead of watching it in anime. Three main characters are really deep and good, but I am not interested in their problems in general. The only interesting character for me is Gendo Ikari. He is bad guy, but I have sympathy for him. I would rather watch 25 and 26 about his angst, not Shinji's. Other adult characters, in their 30's, still have selfish childish problems "father/mother left me, due to work and his/her own goals, to have money to feed me. I hate people!" In general I am not interested in "meaning of life", "philosophy", "soul-searching" That's why I don't like the show. Yeah I agree, it deserves beeing classic and to be named "great work". But i found nothing interesting for me in it. I think there is no reason for explanation why I hate this. =) Guys who repeat "you don't understand", "it's intellectual", "deep symbolism" - just make this show annoying. Go play Xenogears =) I pretty much have to consistently tell people to "read the manga" with comments like this. The manga did take 20 years to write after all. ;) I mean, if you are interested in unanswered questions and other characters getting backstories and yeah you do get more Gendo. And it doesn't feel so selfish in the manga. I think because it explains everything just a lot better. So, I have the anime for my trippy dementia goodness. And I have my manga for the questions I wanted answered, and the ending I wanted. But it is still a psychological, meaning of life thing which is fully against the idea of child soldiers. Just seems to do a better job of saying why sending 14 year olds out to war is a bad idea. |
Energetic-NovaNov 22, 2017 1:08 PM
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Spady said: Energetic-Nova said: I pretty much have to consistently tell people to "read the manga" with comments like this. The manga did take 20 years to write after all. ;) I mean, if you are interested in unanswered questions and other characters getting backstories and yeah you do get more Gendo. And it doesn't feel so selfish in the manga. I think because it explains everything just a lot better. So, I have the anime for my trippy dementia goodness. And I have my manga for the questions I wanted answered, and the ending I wanted. But it is still a psychological, meaning of life thing which is fully against the idea of child soldiers. Just seems to do a better job of saying why sending 14 year olds out to war is a bad idea. yup. manga is rather good. But it does not help the series. I want to see answers in anime itself, not outside of it. And yup. Manga misses dementia stuff a lot. ) I think the manga would be fab to animate though. I don't think the trippy dementia stuff works well in manga format. I think it does help the manga series. It isn't some dry essay that is for sure. It is canon material. I cry reading the manga everytime. I think... it wouldn't have has as much an impact on me had i not had the 90's one. Mostly because I wanted so much more for Shinji.... |
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Spady said: I would rather watch 25 and 26 about his angst Yes ! I always thought the episode 25 would have benefitted from a "in the case of Ikari Gendô" segment ! I would have rather take this kind of addition over the theatric end. (well, I won't complain, the TV conclusion did it for me) Energetic-Nova said: It is canon material. In what extent? o_O (nothing against the manga, I loved to drool over Sadamoto's drawings.) @Energetic-Nova Sorry, I'm bad in english. I thought "being cannon" was a way to refer to "cannonic events", in other words, things that actually happend (so in a fiction with an original story and several reinterpretations, the "facts" and "infos" displayed in the original story). But, reading you (and this Shin Eva example) and some english-spekaing websites, I realize I just put too much "french thinking" in the word. XD PS: I was't reacting about what was supposedly the best variant, the author's view or the later reinterpretations. I did'nt even give an opinion about that here. |
Rei_IIINov 24, 2017 12:30 PM
| For starters, Rei was injured in the very beginning. Why didn't Shinji's father just replace her with a clone/new parts? It's pretty obvious the creator or whatever just made it up as he went along. The symbolism was repetitive and didn't leave much to the imagination, but that's just a personal preference. The show literally spent a whole episode of Asuka and Shinji trying to work together. Why didn't they just kill the Angel when it was sleeping? Shinji saves Asuka in this episode with lava. But somehow Shinji was fine in the lava?? The show's ending (not the movie) was terrible. |
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Rei366 said: Spady said: I would rather watch 25 and 26 about his angst Yes ! I always thought the episode 25 would have benefitted from a "in the case of Ikari Gendô" segment ! I would have rather take this kind of addition over the theatric end. (well, I won't complain, the TV conclusion did it for me) Energetic-Nova said: It is canon material. In what extent? o_O (nothing against the manga, I loved to drool over Sadamoto's drawings.) It is THE Neon Genesis Evangelion manga. There isn't another. And he truly did a better job with the story. Probably because of having more time. It isn't one of the parody manga. He was able to add in a lot of stuff they always talked about, scrpited and scrapped for the series for budget reasons. Kaji's backstory hits hard if you know about WWII aftermath orphans. And I knew that is exactly where he was drawing from. Kaji teaches Shinji that if people die because of him, if he dies, what good was the sacrifice and that nobody deserves happiness. Kaworu is not random note one off. And really shows why he is there as a character. To teach Shinji to protect what he says he cares for or it will die. That it will be Shinji's fault too. Not to run away from allies when they need him even emotionally or bad things will happen. And he pushes Shinji to the absolute brink. And the completion of turning into a hero happens at the right time with Misato . And running off to save Asuka having realized only he has the power and even if he is still sad, he should not allow his other friends to die. But, Shinji still goes from suicidal and breakdowns and has a few setbacks mentally. But the end actually shows what the original ending always meant to me. (also you do know the rebuilds are part of the canon too... sooo like, honestly, I would rather just.... say the manga's version of events are better) |
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Rei366 said: PS: I was't reacting about what was supposedly the best variant, the author's view or the later reinterpretations. I did'nt even give an opinion about that here. Well, even thinking of it that way, the first volume of the manga came out before the anime officially released. Granted, it was just to promote the anime, much how many anime have OVA to promote the manga. But it does run through mostly the same events just slightly differently. Added conversations, events, and by the end. But, sometimes, the adaption is the more definitive version of events. Personally, I feel Gravitation's anime is better than it's manga (and it is very different from it's manga. And Kids on the Slope has such a frame by frame adaptation that reading the manga after watching the anime will be like "wow would be better with that sweet soundtrack. And it will all come down to your values for Neon Genesis Evangelion as to which you prefer. If you are an Anno thumper or not. Or if you feel the demenia qualitie of the last 3 episodes, the animation direction, and voice cast because yeah Megumi Ogata is great- outweigh the well paced, cohesive story of the manga. I feel it is pretty much equal for me. But when we compare ending to ending to ending. Damn the Manga wins. However, I still like the last 3 episodes more then EOE. XD Just a lot of what people complain about, is not present in the manga. Like, dislike Kaji in the anime. Like him in the manga. Feel Kaworu is out of the blue and from nowhere in the anime and fixed that in the manga. Never really connected to Rei's struggles or even really understood what they were until final episodes but even on rewatches I am like.... yeah still don't connect with Rei and prob not supposed to- but I felt like I understood what she was about more in the manga. Shinji was all together better in the manga despite being my favorite in the original. And Gendo is just more cruel but by consequence more awesome. I loved Toji more in the manga and cried more in the manga over Toji. Who I kinda didn't care about at all in the anime. The manga does a good job of saying why to care about anyone other than Shinji. XD Everyone else just seemed like such assholes and then EOE had to make Shinji an asshole. And omg thank you manga for not doing. When you are the watcher who cares most about Shinji, Aida and Pen Pen: yeah the manga helps. Infact, every good show where EVERY.CHARACTER. is easy to hate such as Oniisama e, they usually don't put the protag in such a position to be hated like in EOE. which is why I hate EOE. It broke the rules of hatable casts. |
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| I suppose for the strange end, but in general is a nice series!!! |
Zelev said: For starters, Rei was injured in the very beginning. Why didn't Shinji's father just replace her with a clone/new parts? It's pretty obvious the creator or whatever just made it up as he went along. The symbolism was repetitive and didn't leave much to the imagination, but that's just a personal preference. The show literally spent a whole episode of Asuka and Shinji trying to work together. Why didn't they just kill the Angel when it was sleeping? Shinji saves Asuka in this episode with lava. But somehow Shinji was fine in the lava?? The show's ending (not the movie) was terrible. "I have a small problem with 2 episodes in the show, I don't understand that character's have trauma and can't communicate with each other effectively, and I don't like when anime get metaphysical since it hurts my brain!" |
Taz_ said: Zelev said: For starters, Rei was injured in the very beginning. Why didn't Shinji's father just replace her with a clone/new parts? It's pretty obvious the creator or whatever just made it up as he went along. The symbolism was repetitive and didn't leave much to the imagination, but that's just a personal preference. The show literally spent a whole episode of Asuka and Shinji trying to work together. Why didn't they just kill the Angel when it was sleeping? Shinji saves Asuka in this episode with lava. But somehow Shinji was fine in the lava?? The show's ending (not the movie) was terrible. "I have a small problem with 2 episodes in the show, I don't understand that character's have trauma and can't communicate with each other effectively, and I don't like when anime get metaphysical since it hurts my brain!" I like how you provide literally nothing to counter the flaws in those episodes. Cool story. |
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Zelev said: Taz_ said: "I have a small problem with 2 episodes in the show, I don't understand that character's have trauma and can't communicate with each other effectively, and I don't like when anime get metaphysical since it hurts my brain!" I like how you provide literally nothing to counter the flaws in those episodes. Cool story. Well, I kinda did, since I poked fun of your statement through exaggeration :p |
Taz_ said: Zelev said: I like how you provide literally nothing to counter the flaws in those episodes. Cool story. Well, I kinda did, since I poked fun of your statement through exaggeration :p True, the flaws with those episodes are now fixed. :p |
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Taz_ said: These "flaws" are either too minor to warrant major criticism or aren't flaws because you don't get how humans work lol Lolwut. That has literally nothing to do with the characters (which I can rant about in a separate topic). It has to do with the inconsistent writing. |
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Zelev said: Taz_ said: These "flaws" are either too minor to warrant major criticism or aren't flaws because you don't get how humans work lol Lolwut. That has literally nothing to do with the characters (which I can rant about in a separate topic). It has to do with the inconsistent writing. The "inconsistencies" you mention aren't detrimental to the show at all though. And you critiqued the characters in your post. |
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Taz_ said: Zelev said: Lolwut. That has literally nothing to do with the characters (which I can rant about in a separate topic). It has to do with the inconsistent writing. The "inconsistencies" you mention aren't detrimental to the show at all though. And you critiqued the characters in your post. Taz_ said: Zelev said: Lolwut. That has literally nothing to do with the characters (which I can rant about in a separate topic). It has to do with the inconsistent writing. The "inconsistencies" you mention aren't detrimental to the show at all though. And you critiqued the characters in your post. No? Quote the part where I critiqued the characters, then. Also, I don't care if you think it made a difference or not. I'm not asking for your approval here, lmao. I'm just pointing out the objective facts. There was inconsistent writing. |
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Zelev said: Taz_ said: The "inconsistencies" you mention aren't detrimental to the show at all though. And you critiqued the characters in your post. Taz_ said: The "inconsistencies" you mention aren't detrimental to the show at all though. And you critiqued the characters in your post. No? Quote the part where I critiqued the characters, then. Also, I don't care if you think it made a difference or not. I'm not asking for your approval here, lmao. I'm just pointing out the objective facts. There was inconsistent writing. "The show literally spent a whole episode of Asuka and Shinji trying to work together. Why didn't they just kill the Angel when it was sleeping?" Literally everything has "inconsistencies", but that doesn't mean that they're detrimental to the show. Objectively. None of the points you mention harm the show in portraying the meaning of the work as a whole. In fact, some of your critiques aren't even true. |
| @Taz_ "The show literally spent a whole episode of Asuka and Shinji trying to work together. Why didn't they just kill the Angel when it was sleeping?" It's because this is not the first thread where I state my critiques of Eva (this is like the 5th time), so I guess I was too lazy to type the full context of what I was thinking. You misunderstood my point; I was only referring to the episode where it spent the whole episode of them working together. My problem with that episode is that the duo Angel they were fighting went to "sleep" or whatever, so why didn't they just kill it right when it was in that state? I haven't watched Eva since like January or something, so feel free to explain that. Literally everything has "inconsistencies", but that doesn't mean that they're detrimental to the show. Objectively. Inconsistencies in writing = objective and can be pointed out. Whether or not it's "detrimental" = subjective and totally up to the individual. I don't think you understand what you're saying. None of the points you mention harm the show in portraying the meaning of the work as a whole. In fact, some of your critiques aren't even true. More subjective stuff. My point goes over your head. By all means, point out what isn't true besides your opinion on it. |
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Zelev said: @Taz_ "The show literally spent a whole episode of Asuka and Shinji trying to work together. Why didn't they just kill the Angel when it was sleeping?" It's because this is not the first thread where I state my critiques of Eva (this is like the 5th time), so I guess I was too lazy to type the full context of what I was thinking. You misunderstood my point; I was only referring to the episode where it spent the whole episode of them working together. My problem with that episode is that the duo Angel they were fighting went to "sleep" or whatever, so why didn't they just kill it right when it was in that state? I haven't watched Eva since like January or something, so feel free to explain that. Literally everything has "inconsistencies", but that doesn't mean that they're detrimental to the show. Objectively. Inconsistencies in writing = objective and can be pointed out. Whether or not it's "detrimental" = subjective and totally up to the individual. I don't think you understand what you're saying. None of the points you mention harm the show in portraying the meaning of the work as a whole. In fact, some of your critiques aren't even true. More subjective stuff. My point goes over your head. By all means, point out what isn't true besides your opinion on it. When its dormant, it has a protective layer/shield covering it, so it can't be attacked. Seeing if those "inconsistencies" are detrimental to the work as a whole can be objectively viewed as well. And sure, like everything ever, Evangelion has some inconsistencies. But are they enough to say it's shit? As for what's not really criticism at all: "For starters, Rei was injured in the very beginning. Why didn't Shinji's father just replace her with a clone/new parts?" "Shinji saves Asuka in this episode with lava. But somehow Shinji was fine in the lava?" I also think that the last 2 episodes of the TV series are great, but since that can be argued either way, I don't mind if people dislike it or not. |
| @Taz_ When its dormant, it has a protective layer/shield covering it, so it can't be attacked. Do you happen to know the name of the Angel so I can confirm that? Or a time stamp with the episode number explaining that part is fine. Seeing if those "inconsistencies" are detrimental to the work as a whole can be objectively viewed as well. And sure, like everything ever, Evangelion has some inconsistencies. But are they enough to say it's shit? Lol I don't recall saying Eva was shit. It does have its problems, though. Let's be honest: Eva is only acclaimed as it is because of the time period when it came out. The first "pioneers" tend to get the credit, after all. If Eva was never released and it were to be released next year as it is, then it's pretty obvious it won't have the same impact. As for what's not really criticism at all: "For starters, Rei was injured in the very beginning. Why didn't Shinji's father just replace her with a clone/new parts?" "Shinji saves Asuka in this episode with lava. But somehow Shinji was fine in the lava?" You might want to re-read what you said because you clearly stated "some of your critiques aren't true." I asked you to point out what isn't true, then you change it to "what's not really criticism at all." So in other words, you admit those are inconsistencies. There's nothing wrong with pointing out inconsistencies, and you can still like Eva for all I care. I'm well aware that nothing is perfect and have even considered never scoring anything a 10/10, but I also like to use the full scoring scale. |
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Zelev said: @Taz_ When its dormant, it has a protective layer/shield covering it, so it can't be attacked. Do you happen to know the name of the Angel so I can confirm that? Or a time stamp with the episode number explaining that part is fine. Seeing if those "inconsistencies" are detrimental to the work as a whole can be objectively viewed as well. And sure, like everything ever, Evangelion has some inconsistencies. But are they enough to say it's shit? Lol I don't recall saying Eva was shit. It does have its problems, though. Let's be honest: Eva is only acclaimed as it is because of the time period when it came out. The first "pioneers" tend to get the credit, after all. If Eva was never released and it were to be released next year as it is, then it's pretty obvious it won't have the same impact. As for what's not really criticism at all: "For starters, Rei was injured in the very beginning. Why didn't Shinji's father just replace her with a clone/new parts?" "Shinji saves Asuka in this episode with lava. But somehow Shinji was fine in the lava?" You might want to re-read what you said because you clearly stated "some of your critiques aren't true." I asked you to point out what isn't true, then you change it to "what's not really criticism at all." So in other words, you admit those are inconsistencies. There's nothing wrong with pointing out inconsistencies, and you can still like Eva for all I care. I'm well aware that nothing is perfect and have even considered never scoring anything a 10/10, but I also like to use the full scoring scale. Not really a big fan of the semantics game, but sure, my bad for phrasing it differently. There was no need to replace Rei completely since she wasn't dead, and the reason why there were clones of Rei was to build an important character arc for her that was established since the beginning episodes. So Anno didn't just "make it up" as the series progressed. Shinji only stayed in the lava for a couple of seconds, while Asuka did for longer. So he wasn't under the lava long enough to get damaged. 10/10 don't have to be flawless. And nothing is flawless anyways, so judging something a 10 based off that is pretty stupid. |
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