Kaifuku Jutsushi no Yarinaoshi Episode 8 Discussion

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GreenPlatinum said:
Remember when this show was supposed to be a dark fantasy series? lol

It is, but adding the occasional humor is a good touch. I mean, he literally dickslaps Flare during the most intense scene (up to this point), and there’s the stuff like Setsuna “grabbing her future”. What he does to Blade soon is also kinda darkly comedic.

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Mar 4, 2021 9:07 AM

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There's no need for a meme, we have directly the original one: XD

Best end of episode sponsor card ever lmao

Mar 4, 2021 9:09 AM

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That was a lot of fun and pretty good fan service.

Mar 4, 2021 9:09 AM

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Aside from Keyaru being morally superior about rape and the absurdly funny end image, he's also completely wrong about Eve's prepardedness.

The only reason they caught her was because he was there to distract her. Remember in the original time line that doesn't happen. Eve survives long enough to become the new Demon King and kills Flare, Bullet and Blade. No Keyaru needed.

It's almost like he's fucking up his own plans by just being there.

Mar 4, 2021 10:05 AM

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ultimateweeb173 said:
@straggy Well, that’s kinda dumb. People do abandon their morals when fighting enemies, unless if you think that all soldiers enjoy killing people in their spare time.
Keyaru is hypocritical as we’ll see later, but not because of what he did to Flare. That was more a matter of him doing what she had done to him.

I didn't say that people don't do it, just that they're not supposed to. You can deal with bad people without becoming a bad person yourself. I dare say Keyaru was probably already a bad person considering it took so little for him to jump off the deep end and turn into a sadistic rapist.

Mar 4, 2021 10:24 AM

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I don't usually like cliffhangers but that was well done ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Hope Eve gets the loving she deserves next episode.

Mar 4, 2021 10:41 AM

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straggy said:
considering it took so little for him to jump off the deep end

Are you for real? You seriously think getting raped and abused for 4 years is “so little”?

Mar 4, 2021 10:43 AM

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JoeSte91 said:
No Keyaru needed.
It's almost like he's fucking up his own plans by just being there.

Oh, he’s getting exactly what he wants. Inserting himself into her life is his exact goal and will help him the philosopher stone.
Plus (minor spoiler) Eve did have a few people that helped her in the old timeline, albeit for their own goals.

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Mar 4, 2021 11:54 AM

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Eve is finally here, and is the next bitch in Keyaru's harem.

When our MC said that he won't force her because it's against his beliefs, I call the most utter BULLSHIT on that if you know what I mean. Also I can't help but make a similarity between Eve and...Secre from Black Clover.

Mar 4, 2021 12:12 PM

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choochootrain1 said:
Oh, he’s getting exactly what he wants. Inserting himself into her life is his exact goal and will help him the philosopher stone.
Plus (minor spoiler) Eve did have a few people that helped her in the old timeline, albeit for their own goals.

All you did was further prove that Keyaru's line that Eve is lacking "knowledge for escaping, precaution, escape expenses, allies and preparedness' is even more complete bullshit.

Eve didn't need Keyaru the first time around and his presence is more likely to draw attention to her and get her killed than protect her.

This being Redo though, that's not going to happen, but it's silly to expect the viewer to accept this logic when they showed us in the first episode how capable she was without his influence.

Mar 4, 2021 12:39 PM

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@JoeSte91 I don’t know what you’re getting heated about, but the only point I was contending is that Keyaru is “fucking up his plan”. He wants to get Eve on his side, so thus far his plan is going smoothly. And he also doesn’t want to wait, so he’s gonna try to expedite the process.

Mar 4, 2021 12:45 PM

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ultimateweeb173 said:

straggy said:
considering it took so little for him to jump off the deep end

Are you for real? You seriously think getting raped and abused for 4 years is “so little”?

Plenty of people in both real life and fiction go through trauma of that level and don't immediately decide to become a weird sadist that likes to rape people for fun. If that was all it took, the world would be full to the brim with revenge-happy sadists. So many women spend their entire lives being treated this way and don't become like this. Maybe if Keyaru was raised with that abuse and didn't know anything else it'd be more believable but the guy literally let the village that raised him die horribly in front of him just to prove a point. Not even strangers but people that raised him and loved him twice over. He's edgy for edge's sake personified. Nothing he does is even a heat of the moment reaction, he meticulously plans this shit out. He's a complete and utter psychopath. This isn't a reaction to being abused, this is something he always was that he just now feels a twisted vindication in being wholeheartedly. You can like the guy if you want to but please don't sit there and act like the sort of things he does are a natural reaction to anything that happened to him.

Mar 4, 2021 1:04 PM

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"So you say you're an adult, prove it."

sheesh, sasuga Keyarga-sama.

Mar 4, 2021 1:05 PM

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weird anime it's a garbage thing to put sex scenes in anime we enjoy watching stories or op character or animes that similar to Hero of shield but every episode Sex scene wtf is this disgusting

Mar 4, 2021 1:05 PM

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@straggy I highly doubt that a lot of people have gone through the same experiences. Plus a significant amount of abused people do in fact go on to abuse others, possibly as many as 1 in 3.
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/01/24/science/sad-legacy-of-abuse-the-search-for-remedies.html

Is he insane? Yes. But to say that “so little” happened is a huge understatement.

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Mar 4, 2021 2:02 PM

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ultimateweeb173 said:

GreenPlatinum said:
Remember when this show was supposed to be a dark fantasy series? lol

No its a bit more complicated than that. When the series first started all the rape was initially justified as necessary for the tone and realism. Now here we are in a town where demons and humans get along harmoniously to what we are supposed to believe no strife, no racism, no exploitation. This is not a bit of respite from the typical dark tone either, this show has probably spent more time as idyllic harem fantasy than actually dark by this point.

Mar 4, 2021 2:14 PM

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@GreenPlatinum Sorry, but I honestly don’t get what you’re trying to say here. Last episode showed that even among the demons there is some genocide involved, with how Eve’s tribe is getting killed off, so it seems far from harmonious in this city. And up until like episode 7, every episode had rape in it, so I wouldn’t call the overall tone or the series idyllic. I will say that the tone has lightened up the past couple episodes, but I expect things to shift again for the rest of the season, just going off what I recall from the manga.

Mar 4, 2021 2:44 PM

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ultimateweeb173 said:
but I expect things to shift again for the rest of the season, just going off what I recall from the manga.

God, I hope so. They better not screw up the Blade and Norn scenes. Next episode could be pretty interesting as well depending on how they follow the novel.

Mar 4, 2021 3:03 PM

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@JoeSte91 I don’t know what you’re getting heated about, but the only point I was contending is that Keyaru is “fucking up his plan”. He wants to get Eve on his side, so thus far his plan is going smoothly. And he also doesn’t want to wait, so he’s gonna try to expedite the process.

Who's heated? All I did was point out that your minor spoiler didn't contradict anything I said.

His plan isn't getting Eve. In the short term, sure, but at this point every chick Keyaru swings his dick at joins his harem, so it's just another thing he has to put zero effort into and succeed. His plan in the grand scheme of things is revenge. His most immediate step towards doing that is getting the current Demon King's heart. None of that requires Eve.

In fact, if Keyaru is invested in Eve continuing to survive and becoming as powerful as she did the previous time line, the best thing he can do is stay the fuck away from her. That would be the smart thing to do.

Unless you're going to tell me that the manga/LN's reveal that even in the old timeline Eve has something to do with the former Demon King's death anyway and he just wants to be there for it, then fine, that's valid information, but it's also information the anime should be supplying. You can't keep applauding the anime for what the LN has done when the anime isn't pulling it's weight.

Mar 4, 2021 3:25 PM

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JoeSte91 said:
In fact, if Keyaru is invested in Eve continuing to survive and becoming as powerful as she did the previous time line, the best thing he can do is stay the fuck away from her. That would be the smart thing to do.

Eve’s not gonna die in his party, her road will actually be a little bit easier.

JoeSte91 said:
Unless you're going to tell me that the manga/LN's reveal that even in the old timeline Eve has something to do with the former Demon King's death anyway and he just wants to be there for it, then fine, that's valid information, but it's also information the anime should be supplying. You can't keep applauding the anime for what the LN has done when the anime isn't pulling it's weight.

Just keep watching, the anime hasn’t changed anything with her yet. You’re not gonna get all the answers all at once, chill. MC himself is trying to figure out the situation.

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Eve is cute AF still, well before she became a demon lord.. Need more of her, well I guess she will be next on the list.

The moment the "shadow" was above Eve's head, it reminded me of some blond haired angel and a golem Meidri...

Mar 4, 2021 4:48 PM

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Eve’s not gonna die in his party, her road will actually be a little bit easier.

I know she won't, that's why I said

"This being Redo though, that's not going to happen,"

I even believe that her path will be easier with Keyaru, but that's the point. It shouldn't be. Keyaru is attracting the attention of Norn and the Kingdom, and Eve is just trying to survive. There's no good reason for her to take this risk, and after the we saw how powerful she becomes if she waits, there's no good reason for Keyaru to get her involved.

I'm not mad at anything, I'm simply pointing out how ass backwards the logic is here.

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Just keep watching, the anime hasn’t changed anything with her yet. You’re not gonna get all the answers all at once, chill. MC himself is trying to figure out the situation.

I don't care if the anime changes anything so long as it explains its own storyline and doesn't rely on the manga/LNs to do it. If Keyaru wants to recruit Eve, that's fine, but he should have a good reason for it in this episode. You want to reveal a super secret extra reason three episodes later, alright, but the logic needs to make sense here first, not 'you're stupid and alone, come join me if you want to live, even though I just told you that doesn't happen in my original time line'.

I get it, it's easy for you to accept some of this bullshit because you've read the material and know the general direction of things, but for people who are just tuning into the anime and aren't reading the manga/LN's the writing is coming across as dumb and thinly plotted. They probably aren't even gonna read the manga/LN's unless they're specifically into revenge plots because the anime is doing such a poor job of telling the story on its own two feet.

Mar 4, 2021 5:05 PM

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@JoeSte91 His reason for recruiting Eve is that he knows she will become demon king. He wants to be there when Hakuou is defeated so he can snatch the philosopher stone. They literally said it in the episode.

Eve sees him as a powerful ally that can predict the future, so she accepts. Which part doesn’t make sense?

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Mar 4, 2021 7:02 PM

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Felpzz said:

I laught so hard in this scene XD

So did I. This is so ridiculous that it could only be planned At this point we can safely say that the production team is doing some of this stuff for the lolz.

I kept pointing out at the self-aware parts of RoH a few times, and it just keeps going, lmao.

This is now a regular gif on discord if you look for Redo of Healer gifs, as is the Flare D slap & other stuff :)

Mar 4, 2021 8:33 PM

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@GreenPlatinum Excellent arguments, you sure convinced me. But seriously, I can’t imagine watching 8 episodes of a show I hate so much, how do you do it? I’ve also noticed that you seem to be getting increasingly aggravated with each new episode that airs.

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Mar 5, 2021 2:39 AM

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Eva finally appeared, a city where demons get along with humans. That's very interesting, Keyaru, killing those demons easily.

Mar 5, 2021 3:32 AM

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straggy said:
This guy really just sat there and said that forcing people is against his beliefs... The guy who started this whole entire plot off with a brutal rape attack... What a lying sack of shit.

And before anyone says that that was different because it was against an enemy, you're not supposed to just abandon your morals because you're facing an enemy. He could've done literally everything else he did with Flare and forced her to destroy her own kingdom without raping her. He could've broken her without raping her. He literally only did that for personal enjoyment.

When he made that comment, I was like "dude are you for real right now? Did you really just say that?" I guess he has short term memory loss.

I wonder if he actually came up with that ideology later, or even on the spot.
If not, my only other guess is that he wanted revenge for all the times he got r@ped by r@ping her back. It was painful for Flare, but it was painful for Keyaru too. (probably more)
But either way, he definitely enjoyed torturing her.

⭐𝘜𝘳𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘪 𝘠𝘢𝘵𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘢⭐

Mar 5, 2021 3:58 AM

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Which part doesn’t make sense?

Everything I said that you ignored;

"The only reason they caught her was because he was there to distract her. Remember in the original time line that doesn't happen"

"it's silly to expect the viewer to accept this logic when they showed us in the first episode how capable she was without his influence."

"His most immediate step towards doing that is getting the current Demon King's heart. None of that requires Eve.

In fact, if Keyaru is invested in Eve continuing to survive and becoming as powerful as she did the previous time line, the best thing he can do is stay the fuck away from her. That would be the smart thing to do."

"Keyaru is attracting the attention of Norn and the Kingdom, and Eve is just trying to survive. There's no good reason for her to take this risk, and after the we saw how powerful she becomes if she waits, there's no good reason for Keyaru to get her involved."

"You want to reveal a super secret extra reason three episodes later, alright, but the logic needs to make sense here first, not 'you're stupid and alone, come join me if you want to live, even though I just told you that doesn't happen in my original time line'."

Again, unless you want to tell me that Eve has to be the one to kill the old Demon King to become the new Demon King, in which case it does actually make sense for Keyaru to want to tag along with her, but then the process for how new Demon Kings are selected would be a worthwhile thing for the anime to actually explain in that situation, rather than Keyaru swinging his dick around. Calling her a 'candidate' makes it seem more like a mystical selection though.

He explicitly tries to convince her to join him on the basis of getting revenge and power, but he just got done telling her that in his original time line she did that without his help. At this point Keyaru just seems like an egotist for inserting himself into her part of the story like this.

Additionally, Keyaru can't predict the future. He remembers events from the past but he already said in the last episode that things are starting to unfold differently (not that I expect it to hinder him in the slightest though).

Mar 5, 2021 5:07 AM

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Finally, Eve is getting more spotlight in this show and it's about time. Also noticable and important is that we also find out how humans and demons get along in their society.

More ecchi and fan service as expected but at least Even showed up.

I think what´s funny bout this anime is that the MC is banging them b******, and then the outro just comes and its a rly chill music

Mar 5, 2021 5:35 AM

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choochootrain1 said:
Which part doesn’t make sense?

The thing you added in the end refuted the basis of your entire previous examples. The future is already fuzzy for him, as seen when the expedition to branica caught him off guard. Before that point, your argument would hold itself as the future he saw was probably guaranteed, but the proof that the future changed is one strong reason to interfere. Her future might not be set in stone now that the kingdom is coming to raze branica to the ground, so it is reasonable to play it safe and recruit her to his party.

Mar 5, 2021 5:48 AM

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@JoeSte91 Most things you quoted are just vague statements, so I’ll try to address the ones I can.

First know that Keyaru has no idea how Eve became demon king, but he knows that she has the potential to. That’s why he wants to follow her.

JoeSte91 said:
Keyaru is attracting the attention of Norn and the Kingdom, and Eve is just trying to survive. There's no good reason for her to take this risk, and after the we saw how powerful she becomes if she waits, there's no good reason for Keyaru to get her involved.

There is good reason to get her involved. History already changed when Keyaru kidnapped Flare. Remember that the attack on Branica didn’t happen in the original timeline, so Keyaru going there was largely to make sure that Eve didn’t get killed by Norn’s army.
Also, Eve has zero clue about about the kingdom going after Keyaru, so that doesn’t weigh into how risky she sees it. Plus Norn doesn’t even know that Keyaru is there.

JoeSte91 said:
He explicitly tries to convince her to join him on the basis of getting revenge and power, but he just got done telling her that in his original time line she did that without his help.

Keyaru cannot see the future, but he tells Eve that he can see the future. Eve has no idea about the original timeline or that she did it on her own. She thinks what he gave her is just a prophecy.

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ultimateweeb173 said:
@GreenPlatinum Excellent arguments, you sure convinced me. But seriously, I can’t imagine watching 8 episodes of a show I hate so much, how do you do it? I’ve also noticed that you seem to be getting increasingly aggravated with each new episode that airs.

And what argument were you making in response? The manga goes on and the tone stays the same. Rape is still treated like a punchline to a joke and Keyaru is still an overpowered escapist fantasy character.

Mar 5, 2021 7:56 AM

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I can't believe this, I'm actually invest in the story....

But of course there is not a redo of Healer episode without "Morning Activities"...

Also this OP and ED was too good for this Trashy Anime, just saying lol

Mar 5, 2021 8:16 AM

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The thing you added in the end refuted the basis of your entire previous examples. The future is already fuzzy for him, as seen when the expedition to branica caught him off guard. Before that point, your argument would hold itself as the future he saw was probably guaranteed, but the proof that the future changed is one strong reason to interfere. Her future might not be set in stone now that the kingdom is coming to raze branica to the ground, so it is reasonable to play it safe and recruit her to his party.

That's why I said WAY back in my first comment that "It's almost like he's fucking up his own plans by just being there."

Eve doesn't get found unless he's explicitly there to offer her more food, and Norn isn't there unless Keyaru rapes and kidnaps the princess. And he told her as much when he told her she becomes the new Demon King. If Eve believes him she has no reason to join him. It's safer for her to be as far away from him as possible.

choochootrain1 said:
@JoeSte91 Most things you quoted are just vague statements, so I’ll try to address the ones I can.

Vague statement is an easy way to dismiss something you don't have an answer for but okay.

choochootrain1 said:
First know that Keyaru has no idea how Eve became demon king, but he knows that she has the potential to. That’s why he wants to follow her.

Don't you think that would be pertinent information to have BEFORE recruiting the future Demon King and trying to steal the current King's heart?

If his actions in this timeline of going after the King's heart somehow changes things and Eve is no longer selected, he's just screwed up her future to his own detriment.

Of course that's not going to happen because everything seems to work out for Keyaru without any intelligence or effort on his part, but that's the logic that he's using and that the anime expects the viewer to accept.

choochootrain1 said:
There is good reason to get her involved. History already changed when Keyaru kidnapped Flare. Remember that the attack on Branica didn’t happen in the original timeline, so Keyaru going there was largely to make sure that Eve didn’t get killed by Norn’s army.

That's exactly my point. Again, "It's almost like he's fucking up his own plans by just being there."

He's now having to try to clean up the messes he's creating by just being there. and because he can't see the future and the timeline is changing he can't act proactively, he only react. So if Keyaru was smart and actually cared for her, he'd simply draw Norn and the empire away from Eve, not make her part of his harem where there's going to be an even bigger target on her back.

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Also, Eve has zero clue about about the kingdom going after Keyaru, so that doesn’t weigh into how risky she sees it. Plus Norn doesn’t even know that Keyaru is there.

She does know that he's the Recovery Hero. Or are you suggesting that Eve is too dumb to understand the implications of a rogue hero helping a demon and trying to foster good demon/human relations?

He did already tell her that she becomes demon king. There's no reason to ally with a rogue hero that's only going to draw more attention to her.

choochootrain1 said:
]Keyaru cannot see the future, but he tells Eve that he can see the future. Eve has no idea about the original timeline or that she did it on her own. She thinks what he gave her is just a prophecy.

It's possible that she thinks he's just prophesying, but Keyaru clearly uses past-tense when speaking about the events. He says "I've met a red-eyed demon with black wings and silver hair" and "I actually saw it with this eye". That's why Eve misinterprets what he's saying in the beginning and says he's too young to have met the previous Black Wing Demon King, because he's talking like it's already happened.

In either case, Eve has survived this long without him, and it should be obvious to her that the only reason why the attackers at the tavern were able to get in formation is because he kept her there longer than necessary. But Eve, and the viewer, are both expected to accept the logic that he'll protect her and that she'd be dead right now if it weren't for him, when the reverse is actually true (although the story will ignore that).

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@JoeSte91 You are just reaching at this point. The timeline was changed the minute he kidnapped Flare, there’s nothing he can do about that anymore, what’s done is done already. He wasn’t going to stay in the dungeon for the rest of his life. Norn wouldn’t have gained the power and influence to attack Branica if Flare was still the top princess, so Eve is in the kingdom’s path now regardless if Keyaru is with her or not.

No, Eve wouldn’t be dead without him (yet), but she might be killed in Norn’s attack if Keyaru didn’t go there to correct things. And once Eve and Keyaru travel deep into demon territory, there’s not much threat from the Jioral kingdom. Branica is only being targeted because it lies between the human territory and demon territory, so it’s an easier target.

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JoeSte91 said:

"That's why I said WAY back in my first comment that (It's almost like he's fucking up his own plans by just being there.)"

That completely ignores my answer... It's a trivial premise that you used to reach a false conclusion. What I responded to was that:

JoeSte91 said:

In fact, if Keyaru is invested in Eve continuing to survive and becoming as powerful as she did the previous time line, the best thing he can do is stay the fuck away from her. That would be the smart thing to do.

Which you repeated with:

JoeSte91 said:

If Eve believes him she has no reason to join him. It's safer for her to be as far away from him as possible.

And with:

JoeSte91 said:

So if Keyaru was smart and actually cared for her, he'd simply draw Norn and the empire away from Eve, not make her part of his harem where there's going to be an even bigger target on her back.

You ignored my answer to that and repeated your point 3 times. Read my answer to it again.

Now the parts that are false are what you said about the ambush in the bar and about eve knowing the implications of siding with a hero. Firstly, there's no reason to believe they wouldn't have ambushed eve in the bar if keyarga wasn't there; Secondly, for there to be implications of siding with a hero, that needs to be public knowledge. There's no indication of that. Norn doesn't know that she is a demon lord candidate and can't decide anything about killing her based on that. Also, everyone hunting her kin just does it because of the current demon lord's order to hunt them, they don't have any idea of her potential specifically.

You also said

JoeSte91 said:

Don't you think that would be pertinent information to have BEFORE recruiting the future Demon King and trying to steal the current King's heart?

If his actions in this timeline of going after the King's heart somehow changes things and Eve is no longer selected, he's just screwed up her future to his own detriment.

That would be the best course of action if he had time, and he can't screw up her future if she's dead. Norn is coming.

Mar 5, 2021 11:28 AM

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I DIED. Greatest end scene image ever.

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You ignored my answer to that and repeated your point 3 times. Read my answer to it again.

You said: "the proof that the future changed is one strong reason to interfere."

However, in this instance, Keyaru doesn't want to change the future. He very directly says in the episode that Eve becoming the Demon Lord would be the most convenient thing for him.

Him coming back in time and trying to get revenge on those who loathes the most has actually screwed that part up, hence why I said that he's fucking up his own plan. That's also why I suggested that "if Keyaru is invested in Eve continuing to survive and becoming as powerful as she did the previous time line, the best thing he can do is stay the fuck away from her."

You're assuming that because the timeline has changed, Keyaru may as well get involved, since he can't know how much it's going to change. I'm simply pointing out that by doing so, he could end up changing things so dramatically that Norn would find Eve before she becomes Demon King, or could in some other way hurt her candidacy. He has so little information in this situation that it makes no sense for him to get involved. It just puts everyone at most risk.

Sir_Crusher said:
Firstly, there's no reason to believe they wouldn't have ambushed eve in the bar if keyarga wasn't there;

Of course there is.

The very fact that Eve is alive in 4 years is reason to believe it didn't happen.

Replay the scene and imagine Keyaru isn't there. There's a big flashy attack and then she gets subdued with the dart. In that moment, Keyaru isn't there to stop the advancing enemies. Keyaru is the only variable here, and he already kept her there longer by offering her more food.

But sure, for the sake of argument, let's say she does get caught, but later fights them off and survives anyway. Perhaps that was a significant moment in her path to becoming the Demon King that Keyaru has just robbed her of.

Either way, he's screwing up her life, when we, the viewer, plainly saw from the first episode that she was doing very well without him.

Sir_Crusher said:
Secondly, for there to be implications of siding with a hero, that needs to be public knowledge. There's no indication of that.

It's not so much siding with a hero, it's siding with someone who's working against the kingdom. That's why I called him a 'rogue hero'. Keyaru tells her, very matter of factly, that it's true that heroes are tools of the kingdom to use against demons, but he wants to foster good relations. She knows that he's working actively against the kingdom. Her kind are already being hunted, so why would she add more risk onto that? add to that, Keyaru telling her that she will some day be Demon King, and why would she want to put herself in the crosshairs of the kingdom by helping him? Why would he want that?

Norn doesn't need to know exactly who she is. Given Norn's characterisation, she could be completely human and innocent and Norn would still want to hurt her for fun. Her potential doesn't really matter, but she is a demon, and he is a runaway hero. If she's just trying to survive, she's more likely to run into the kingdom's people like Norn with him than without him.

Sir_Crusher said:

That would be the best course of action if he had time, and he can't screw up her future if she's dead. Norn is coming.

That's why I said, (and you even quoted it) "So if Keyaru was smart and actually cared for her, he'd simply draw Norn and the empire away from Eve, not make her part of his harem where there's going to be an even bigger target on her back."

choochootrain1 said:
@JoeSte91 You are just reaching at this point. The timeline was changed the minute he kidnapped Flare, there’s nothing he can do about that anymore, what’s done is done already. He wasn’t going to stay in the dungeon for the rest of his life. Norn wouldn’t have gained the power and influence to attack Branica if Flare was still the top princess, so Eve is in the kingdom’s path now regardless if Keyaru is with her or not.

I honestly have no idea which part you're referring to but Keyaru says in ep7 that there was no Branicca expedition for Norn in his first life, so no, it's only because he specifically kidnapped Flare that the timeline was altered in this way. So the fact that Norn is hunting in Branicca is directly connected to Keyaru.

Nm, misread wouldn't as would. I still don't know which part you think is reaching though, and the second part still stands.

I don't expect him to stay in a dungeon forever (and never said that) but I do expect him not to be an idiot and for the show not to give us stupid reasons for what the characters are doing.

choochootrain1 said:
No, Eve wouldn’t be dead without him (yet), but she might be killed in Norn’s attack if Keyaru didn’t go there to correct things. And once Eve and Keyaru travel deep into demon territory, there’s not much threat from the Jioral kingdom. Branica is only being targeted because it lies between the human territory and demon territory, so it’s an easier target.

So, wouldn't she just go deep into demon territory anyway? Why does she need Keyaru's help with that? Norn says she's going hunting in Branicca but there's no indication she's after Eve specifically. So once the army arrives, why wouldn't she simply flee to the demon territory?And I'm not opposed to Keyaru diverting the kingdom's attention, to allow her time to escape. It's the "you lack knowledge for escaping, precaution, escape expenses, allies and preparedness" that I take issue with, because the original timeline already proved all of that to be a lie. And neither we, nor Eve, have any reason to accept it as being true.

But again, you're using the manga/LN to absolve the anime.

JoeSte91Mar 5, 2021 1:31 PM

Mar 5, 2021 2:18 PM

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