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Mar 24, 2020 9:32 PM
#1101
Receiving a second chance in life just because the city has some sort of own consciousness? I mean, I never liked the supernatural elements this series has shown but this one... this is easily the most absurd and surrealistic one of them all. It's basically like when you reset your game in case you got a bad end. It felt so cheap and forced it's almost like a prank for those people who were genuinely moved by well-directed episodes such as the ones featuring Nagisa's death and the hug between Tomoya and Ushio at the sunflowers field. This last one being personally, my favorite moment of all Clannad. Honestly, the show did such a poor job at explaining the connection between Ushio, her grown-up version and the Illusionary World that it made the whole "reset" thing feel more like an ass-pull than anything else... seriously, the inclusion of fantastic elements in this story was such a bad idea. Totally disappointing. |
SouthRzVaJun 12, 2020 10:59 AM
Jul 12, 2020 11:34 AM
#1102
This episode was very wholesome. Truly a breath-taking turn of events. The illusionary world (after-life) contain enough orbs of light for Ushio (girl in white gown) to send Tomoya (robot) to another time-line/ world. This new time-line is where Nagisa is alive and recovers from giving birth. Thus, leaving the illusionary world for a more brighter world filled with happiness. Tomoya's wish for living with both Nagisa and Ushio has been granted. The culmination of all the light orbs from everyone's happiness contributed to this. Such a well thought out and happy ending. 10/10 masterpiece |
NaroomakiJul 12, 2020 11:43 AM
Jul 27, 2020 8:17 PM
#1103
Desde o inicio eu não estava entendendo muito bem o mundo paralelo onde tinha o robô (Tomoya) e a Ushio mais velha, consegui pescar poucas coisas, então esse final me pego totalmente de surpresa buguei no nível astronômico mais aos poucos fui entendendo a parte sobrenatural do anime que a proposito já existia desde os primeiros episódios então não chega a ser aquela forçação de barra absurda. Em fim, amei demais esse anime eu sinceramente prefiro esse final mais pra cima do que o final totalmente depressivo onde as duas morrem pela mesma doença (vai gostar de sofrer assim lá longe) um final onde Tomoya segue em frente junto com a Ushio (até a primeira metade do episódio 21 estava sendo assim) seria bom também. É isso curti bastante, arigatou shimashita. |
Jul 28, 2020 3:04 PM
#1104
Wow. Simply wow. I didn't understand it at first but after reading about the lights and all that detailed stuff, it all made sense to me. I cried tears of joy when I found out Nagisa survived it, thank you for a happy ending |
Aug 2, 2020 12:37 AM
#1105
So...That was a confusing ending. I felt like I was ready for anything, but I didn't think it would get as weird as it did. I figured there would be some magical element to the ending, as it's per Key/Visual Art's stories that something fantasy-esque would happen, at least from prior shows and visual novels I've seen from them. I thought about comparing Clannad to Wolf Children, where instead of focusing on the mother, Clannad would focus on the father. However, I didn't think similarities would also include my overall feelings. In Wolf Children, I had qualms about character decisions and some narrative choices at the end, and with Clannad, I had qualms about its resolution. To be clear, I was very much a fan of the middle of Clannad, going up to its ending. The first season was fine, though it somewhat meandered at times. This pacing continued into the first part of After Story, but it picked up pace in terms of intensity after Tomoya's graduation. After that, it just kept getting better and better, up to the point where I had serious self-reflections on things I've seen and experienced in my own life. I still respect Clannad as far as After Story's mid section goes, but I'm unsure about its ending. From what I can tell, the issues Tomoya experienced from Nagisa's death began when he regretted meeting Nagisa to begin with, which was also reflected in the other world where the robot kept trying to take that girl on their journey. It seems that was reflective of Tomoya trying to pull Ushio along while she was seriously ill? But then when Tomoya was apparently pulled into the Illusionary World, he came to terms with his feelings towards Nagisa, and resolved to have been happy to meet Nagisa regardless of the future trauma that came to Nagisa, Nagisa's parents, Ushio, and Tomoya himself. All that combined, along with the robot, who is apparently Tomoya's other half, or perhaps is Tomoya's spirit post-death, apparently returning to either the past or an alternate dimension to be with Tomoya I think? And the girl in the Illusionary World, who is apparently Ushio's other half, or is perhaps Ushio's spirit post-death, remains in the Illusionary World to maintain the town's ability to grant its inhabitants wishes? So, the story of of Clannad, as I can understand, is Tomoya coming to love his town and not regret meeting Nagisa, regardless of the hardships they would experience. Everything post-Nagisa's death was apparently a really extended trial for Tomoya to come to terms with all his past regrets, and once he got over them, he was rewarded by going back in time and being able to live properly with Nagisa and Ushio. It's not really clear to me what happened, but it doesn't take away from everything Clannad has done up to the end. It...somewhat cheapens the ending I suppose, but I guess that when Ushio collapsed in the snow, nothing short of a miracle granted by narrative mercy would be able to fix everything. I just think there might have been a better way to arrive at that ending without a reset button. I honestly would have been fine if a similar miracle occurred with Tomoya and Ushio, much like Akio and Nagisa when Nagisa almost died in her childhood. From there, Tomoya would replace the robot in the Illusionary World for a moment, go through his revelations, and the girl there would end up being Nagisa, whom Tomoya was praying to to begin with. Nagisa would reconcile with Tomoya, send him back, and heal Ushio, allowing Tomoya and Ushio to live together peacefully. I think that could have functioned just as well, as the current ending felt extremely rushed with many lingering questions. Regardless, I very much enjoyed Clannad, and it was ten years worth waiting to finish. I'm not entirely satisfied by the ending, but it certainly give me many things to ponder about. For now, I'm happy to have experienced this wonderful anime, as well as to call it my 1000th completed anime. EDIT: Okay, I finally read up on how the light orbs function. It makes much more sense in visual novel form than the anime, as I didn't fully understand how the light orbs were being collected by Tomoya unconsciously every time he did a good deed. I also didn't understand how wishes were granted, specifically with regards to the extent wishes could be granted. The ending makes sense to me now, at least in context of the visual novel. |
ShockedAug 2, 2020 10:50 AM
Aug 30, 2020 7:45 PM
#1106
I dont mind time resets when the goal is to stop something from happening, but this was cheap. And I dont care about the visual novel. Should have been its own thing. And done care about the stupid robot, was always convoluted and tiring. God, even Yu-No failed adaptation delivered this stuff better, and modern yuno was a dissapoiting adaptation. A shame because this Second Season was a big surprise after tomoya graduated. Clannad's strength relies on human interaction and characters growing up, not some useless supernatural cr@p. |
:v |
Sep 28, 2020 1:04 PM
#1107
The whole Illusionary World was incredibly out of place in the story without explanation or even meaning for most of the time. I know, it's easy for me to be smart about it and the whole story was built on this element but all along I felt it should have been shelved after the first season like Kotomi and her research on it. Yeah, it is the core system but without any indication how it is relevant, how it's working or how to even progress in it, the final development felt out of nowhere. After the graduation every development felt much more real than before (except the occasional other world skits). We went from 'some strange things are going in this town sometimes' to 'okay, sad but relatable adult life' to 'buckle up, it's magic hour!' for the very last moment. Personally speaking, the perfect ending would have been Tomoya having a flashback, choosing Nagisa again in spite of knowing the suffering and pain in the future. Then flash forward to the close future where he learnt his lesson, accepted his and his family's fate and lives a normal life to remember them for the longest time possible. This would've given the entire story a bittersweet yet encouraging ending. The good, but rational ending would be the following: Ushio was just unconscious, Tomoya brought her to the new hospital where the doctors were able to save her life. After a few years of sickness, a treatment was found and it worked. Even the Fuuko skit would have been okay at this point. She would find Ushio with her father in front of the hospital where the nurses give her a bouquet like that girl in ep. 21. Tomoya always harped on about 'change' before but now as her daughter was saved because of these changes of the town, he finally able to accept the process. There. Character development, proper and realistic conclusion, happy tears. What else would any fan want at the end? |
menpeSep 28, 2020 2:19 PM
Oct 12, 2020 3:27 AM
#1108
Oct 23, 2020 6:16 PM
#1109
I don't know what to say other than that this episode was a complete clusterfuck. It could have ended three or four times but it just decided to keep backpedalling on everything. I don't understand how the people who like this show could be content with this conclusion, since it retcons pretty much everything which makes After Story so 'impactful', 'tear-jerking' and 'life-changing'. 3/10. The first season was fine, but this one was just insulting. Congrats Madoka Magica, you're no longer the most overrated anime. |
Nov 8, 2020 2:16 PM
#1110
I heard from others that the conclusion wasn't good so I wasn't expecting to like it as much as I did and I surprisingly loved this. The song playing as it went through the major characters in series alongside the happy ending with Okazaki and Nagisa was beautiful, memorable, emotional and my favorite part of the episode especially after what we saw Okazaki go through. I wasn't expecting to end with the massive Fuko scene but I don't have any negative opinions on it. Overall, I thought the ending was really good and nowhere near as bad as i've heard people say it was. |
Dec 13, 2020 1:49 AM
#1111
SouthRzVa said: Receiving a second chance in life just because the city has some sort of own consciousness? I mean, I never liked the supernatural elements this series has shown but this one... this is easily the most absurd and surrealistic one of them all. It's basically like when you reset your game in case you got a bad end. It felt so cheap and forced it's almost like a prank for those people who were genuinely moved by well-directed episodes such as the ones featuring Nagisa's death and the hug between Tomoya and Ushio at the sunflowers field. This last one being personally, my favorite moment of all Clannad. Honestly, the show did such a poor job at explaining the connection between Ushio, her grown-up version and the Illusionary World that it made the whole "reset" thing feel more like an ass-pull than anything else... seriously, the inclusion of fantastic elements in this story was such a bad idea. Totally disappointing. That's basically how I feel about the ending so thank you for writing it up so nicely. I read up on the light orbs so the ending might not be quite the deus ex machina I thought it to be at first because there is actually a build up towards that ending. I'm not sure if they actually banked on first time viewers who didn't play the game to come to realize this because the hints were so sparse and typically during moments I was busy laughing or crying and not being able to focus on those orbs. But even after accepting that it still feels so very cheap to just wind back time and say "lol jk", exactly like you said. |
Jan 5, 2021 8:01 AM
#1113
great episode. Glad the lights created the wish. I do wish though that we had gotten some Nagisa and Tomoya as parents without music in the final 7 minutes, instead of just Fuko silliness. |
Jan 10, 2021 6:21 PM
#1114
I don't know what to say about this episode. So basically grown up Ushio in alternate world brings Tomoya back to the past but this time Nagisa survive after giving birth. What an absurd plot twist. But I never been a fan of supernatural stuff to be mixed in to a show because it will break my suspension of disbelief. So in the end they just give us the happy ending just like that ? I expect more than just this conclusion though . |
VivaceRexJan 10, 2021 6:30 PM
Jan 11, 2021 3:19 PM
#1115
Tomoya still has the development from before the "reset". In the special recap episode of After Story, Tomoya talks about the time after Nagisa's death like something he faintly remembers, like it would have been a dream of some sort (iirc). The thing is, all the things that happened was to show Tomoya the true value of life through the worst pains possible; deciding to die with Ushio in the end and finally understanding that he should never regret anything and cherish things in life was the moment "the town"━which can represent God or whatever━gave the developed Tomoya a chance on a happy life balancing out the good things (the gathered light orbs symbolizing them) he had done to the people of the town. The moment he understands "life" in this episode is done in a beautiful way at the foot of the hill at where he originally met Nagisa, and started to understand love through her. The Illusionary World is "the other side" of the town, where omnipresent souls of Ushio and Tomoya live among the wishes and emotions of the town's people. The storm in the Illusionary World represents the moment when Tomoya is given a new chance, powered by the fulfilled wishes. I personally think that the TV show could have explained this better so more people would think that it's not just a sudden asspull because it happens suddenly. Clannad has a great and emotional message about trying to find meaning in life even if time seems to have frozen for you. Keep moving forward. Or backward, if you want to see your dead wife again lol |
removed-userJan 11, 2021 3:31 PM
Jan 11, 2021 3:29 PM
#1116
s4gge said: I personally think that the TV show could have explained this better so more people would think that it's not just a sudden asspull because it happens suddenly. Well it does hint in the first season during Kotomi's story arc that there exists many parallel universes. You have to play the visual novel over and over again from the beginning - complete every story arc in order to unlock the true ending. Lots and lots of trial and error unless you use a walkthrough guide. |
Jan 11, 2021 3:33 PM
#1117
epidemia78 said: s4gge said: I personally think that the TV show could have explained this better so more people would think that it's not just a sudden asspull because it happens suddenly. Well it does hint in the first season during Kotomi's story arc that there exists many parallel universes. You have to play the visual novel over and over again from the beginning - complete every story arc in order to unlock the true ending. Lots and lots of trial and error unless you use a walkthrough guide. Exactly, but sadly this wasn't explained too well in the anime. There were a lot of hints though, which I only realized after a rewatch |
Jan 11, 2021 3:38 PM
#1118
s4gge said: epidemia78 said: s4gge said: I personally think that the TV show could have explained this better so more people would think that it's not just a sudden asspull because it happens suddenly. Well it does hint in the first season during Kotomi's story arc that there exists many parallel universes. You have to play the visual novel over and over again from the beginning - complete every story arc in order to unlock the true ending. Lots and lots of trial and error unless you use a walkthrough guide. Exactly, but sadly this wasn't explained too well in the anime. There were a lot of hints though, which I only realized after a rewatch I think all of the lights in the closed-off world were collected by many different versions of Tomoya. Hundreds of thousands of lights, maybe millions each representing an act of kindness and love. Only with their combined power can Nagisa's fate be averted. It happened once before. Nagisa's dad did the same thing when she was a child although he doesn't remember all of the alternate realities he experienced. |
Jan 11, 2021 3:42 PM
#1119
epidemia78 said: s4gge said: epidemia78 said: s4gge said: I personally think that the TV show could have explained this better so more people would think that it's not just a sudden asspull because it happens suddenly. Well it does hint in the first season during Kotomi's story arc that there exists many parallel universes. You have to play the visual novel over and over again from the beginning - complete every story arc in order to unlock the true ending. Lots and lots of trial and error unless you use a walkthrough guide. Exactly, but sadly this wasn't explained too well in the anime. There were a lot of hints though, which I only realized after a rewatch I think all of the lights in the closed-off world were collected by many different versions of Tomoya. Hundreds of thousands of lights, maybe millions each representing an act of kindness. Only with their combined power can Nagisa's fate be averted. It happened once before. Nagisa's dad did the same thing when she was a child although he doesn't remember all of the alternate realities he experienced. That's very interesting to say the least, I hadn't thought of Tomoya collecting the lights on more timelines |
Jan 15, 2021 1:13 PM
#1120
Jan 20, 2021 6:00 PM
#1121
Happy ending, even though I was confused at the beginning ,, It turns out that the previous story is just another memory of okazaki This anime contains a lot of meaning in life, best drama |
Feb 13, 2021 5:35 PM
#1122
Clannad: After Story tried so hard to be sad that it looped around to being funny. Good thing Tomoya saved his progress before Nagisa died so he can load and avoid the bad ending. I love it. Clannad; 9/10 Clannad: After Story; 4/10 |
cunnysseur |
Mar 12, 2021 5:30 AM
#1124
I really enjoyed this last episode, I think it was a great way to end. We got to see what Nagisa would be like as a mother and we got to see Ushio grow up which I can appreciate. I would've loved some information about when both Okazaki and Ushio collapsed and what happened to them. Overall I rate this season a 9/10. I don't think this needed to be 22 episodes, in my opinion, the season should've started at episode 10 when they graduate high school. The first 9 episodes just felt like filler. But as a series, I rate this anime an 8/10 since I did enjoy this season miles more than the first one |
Mar 13, 2021 12:35 AM
#1125
So I don't know if iTunes/Appletv got the episode description wrong but it says what we saw is what could have been. Either way I liked both endings if that is the case. But wish ushio didn't get what her mother had because Tomoya's character development was so good up to that point and it was hell to watch him go through that. One thing this show did really well was showcase those moments in life where their is no definite solution and all you can do is stay hopeful and question everything around you. This anime felt a lot more real then most slice of life shows out today. I give it a solid 9 out 10 |
Apr 12, 2021 5:07 AM
#1126
This was nice but I don't get it, so I guess everything is fine now?? Or what??? |
Jun 20, 2021 2:57 AM
#1127
This show made me cry even more as an adult than it did when I was in high school, mainly because it become much more relatable (especially with Tomoya's father). I honestly don't have any issues with this ending except for AS not explaining what really happened. The VN from what i've gathered justifies this ending by showing that the spirits collected by Tomoya helping so many people and realizing that he shouldn't feel any regrets for meeting Nagisa granted him a wish. And so the city, which I guess you can call a higher being, had both Nagisa and Ushio come back as that was Tomoya wanted after Ushio died (and him too, seemingly), and that's basically what we got here. The other world girl, being this higher being, along with the robot (which are Ushio and Tomoya respectively). After all the crying, I think giving an ending like this to where the viewer can relax is great. My only real complaint for After Story is Sunohara's arc, which was the worst arc in the entire two seasons. The outcome was okay, but the events leading up to it wasn't. I'm not sure why they butchered his character so much for that arc (Sunohara would definitely help the girl getting bullied), but those 3 episodes left a sour taste in my mouth for so many reasons, which was thankfully fixed with the remaining episodes making me not care too much about it. Plus I was satisfied with where Sunohara ended up. A 10/10. This show definitely has flaws but ones I am able to overlook given how those flaws are severely outweighed by how good the series as a whole is. |
Jun 30, 2021 4:29 PM
#1129
i want this visual novel so bad like fuck!!! |
Jul 3, 2021 1:44 PM
#1130
Weird but good episode, I think I like Clannad 1st season more than After story though |
Jul 4, 2021 7:33 AM
#1131
For the first time in a while, I felt genuine happiness while watching Clannad. The past episodes broke my soul, glad it healed soon after. We got the best ending. |
Jul 27, 2021 9:42 PM
#1132
Not going to watch the last 2 eps because of recap and filler. ... One of those experiences you have that just makes you reevaluate your own life. I cried to every episode once okazaki graduated, and by extension I watched them all in 1 sitting. So I have been sitting here bawling my eyes out for the past few hours. If nothing else I will never forget this feeling I had while watching this. But on top of the sheer sadness it gave me, this show taught me so much. About how important family is, and how the bonds you make with others shape who you are. Okazaki is now my favorite character of all time because his journey through adulthood by itself is the greatest character arc I have ever seen. With episode 18 being the greatest 20 minutes in anything. 10/10 |
Aug 29, 2021 10:40 AM
#1133
a very beautiful ending. No other anime has an ending like this. I have rewatched this anime many times, it's still the best. Ahhhh,, hope there is a spin off that The main character is ushio-chan |
Sep 8, 2021 12:06 PM
#1134
6 years later this is still the worst ending to an anime I've seen... and to think this was such an easy 10 without it. |
Sep 16, 2021 4:06 PM
#1135
This anime was a masterpiece |
Oct 26, 2021 10:56 PM
#1136
The comment two above me is the dumbest shit I've ever read. Tell me you didn't bother paying attention without telling me you didn't pay attention. |
Oct 31, 2021 1:37 PM
#1137
The end ? What do you mean, the end ? How can this be the end ? There's still two episodes left both according to MAL and to the streaming site I'm using ! How come...? What is...? Why would...? ...Nevermind, guess I'll just see what they have in store with these last two episodes. I'm kinda worried to be honest. Now about this episode, there is one word that comes to mind : disappointment. Utter disappointment. They just ruined the story like it was nothing !!! I mean, I'm not some sadist who's enjoying witnessing Tomoya's suffering, but seriously, the show tried to be so realistic and it was doing such a great job at doing so, I really was looking forward to how Tomoya would cope with Ushio's passing, I wanted to see how the show would handle it considering how great it's been lately, and then it just resets the story ?! That's the opposite of realistic, we're not living in a video game where we can just reset the game anytime we get a bad end ! A good way to end this show while totally following the messages would have been to show Tomoya mourning with Akio and Sanae, with all three of them relying on each other as a real family, and then after a while Tomoya could find a new girlfriend and have a new life with her, without ever forgetting Nagisa and Ushio of course but simply moving on, accepting his loved ones' passing while being able to go on and never waste any time ever again... This was the ending I wanted to see. What I got instead was a betrayal. No I'm not exaggerating, if you want to write this kind of story you do it up to the very end, not reset everything once your character has suffered enough. It just doesn't work that way, especially since that's ruining the message. And that's ruining Tomoya's development in the process ! And honestly, even if I really try I just can't get happy with that ending, because it feels wrong, fake. I have nothing against Nagisa (though I can't say I cared a lot about her) but she doesn't belong here, it's supposed to be Tomoya's and Ushio's story, she is supposed to be dead, there's no reason for her to be here and it simply doesn't work. And abour Ushio, I love her so it would be a lie to say I'm not happy to see her alive with a loving family, but this story isn't the one of the Ushio I've come to love. Ushio is supposed to be a little girl who grew up raised by her grandparents for five years due to her mother having passed away after giving birth and her father having suffered so much from the loss that he wasn't able to take care of his daughter for a very long time. And she is also supposed to be a little girl who despite all that, finally got to live with her father and experience all kind of beautiful things with him. Now of course I wasn't happy with her ending but for the rest... That's her story. That's Ushio. And as for Tomoya, I don't think I even need to explain why I'm upset. I'm sorry for this rant, I know I should be happy, but I was so invested in this story lately that I have a really hard time accepting to see it destroy itself like that. I know this episode itself was beautiful but when you associate it with what we got earlier, it's just wrong, in so many ways. I'll watch the remaining episodes just to set the anime as completed but apparently it's just a special so I think I have even more the right to be disappointed. |
FafetteOct 31, 2021 1:41 PM
Nov 14, 2021 12:08 PM
#1138
^Ah yes, another one who missed the tone and the point of the series entirely. |
Nov 22, 2021 11:30 PM
#1139
Very unique and surprising ending, this show really managed to bring out many not so bright emotions but also kept me interested specially during 2nd part of it. I feel like this ending was needed because thats the point of Clannad, the very very dark ending of Tomoya being left with nothing wouldv'e easily been the darkest ending in anime history but did we really wanted to see such a thing ? I'd like to guess that many would answer no, since we seen a lot of suffering already troughout the whole expierence of the Clannad. Its one of those shows that was meant to be dark but never till the very last moment, a miracle that was being built up and explained troughout the series happened and it pretty much wasn't some outta nowhere surprise element if you think about it. Overall I feel like After Story is a masterpiece but without the original Clannad we would've never had the build up needed for some of the key moments here to truly shine and be this memorable. |
Nov 26, 2021 5:26 AM
#1140
i was knew that the girl in snow was ushio, after all the tragic thing happen to tomoya and all the sad farewell, its all done with the hope bring miracle and we can see that i alternate ending/true ending that nagisa and ushio not dead they live happy together,, its really good ending since i hold this anime for few years and complete atching all of this touching moment today,, it was good story and drama,, 9/10 still feel weid with the art style but great story and ending |
Dec 22, 2021 8:25 PM
#1141
Clannad is the only show that has ever made me cry. Rewatched and cried three more times. I LOVE CLANNAD |
Jan 12, 2022 6:23 PM
#1142
god that ending was atrocious. the few genuinely emotional moments just get fucked over if you can reset the whole damn thing. and it's not like tomoya even did anything different in the 2nd timeline, the anime gods just decided that they wouldn't use nagisa's ridiculous asspull illness to kill her that time. just bc there had to be a happy ending. in general, the supernatural elements were disappointingly underdeveloped. we had to watch like 20 pretentious scenes of the robot and ...ushio??... saying the same thing over and over again and in the end it was never fleshed out. gave me the impression of something that was explained much better in the source material, though I don't actually know if that's true and goddamn fuko why didn't you die in s1. they just had to make the obnoxiously happy ending worse by letting her prattle on. i swear she seems more like a 5 year old than ushio does well anyway sorry for my rant but i'm disappointed at myself for dragging through 30+ episodes of moeblob BS for the sake of a few good episodes. hmm can't decide on a 4 or a 5, generally it sucked but ep 18 was so good that a 5 might be more appropriate |
Jan 18, 2022 11:01 PM
#1143
As I am watching: Come on bruh this can't be real. You made me almost cry for like the last 6 eps and now you show what I am assuming are alternate realities where Nagisa survives? I am struggling to tell if this is reality or if the darker reality is the real one. Edit: Oh I see. This is like a timeline reset. 8/10 show and 7/10 for 1st season. Anyway, here's where my Clannad journey ends. I don't feel like rewatching their HS days. I am not a sucker for prequels. Also, 24 is just a recap. I had this as a 7/10 and almost gave it a 6 during the first 8 eps. However, it did pick up from there and was a great rollercoaster of emotions. I understand the supernatural elements. I have no problem with those. People were right. The second season is better than the first. |
Sulfur2Jan 18, 2022 11:26 PM
Mar 29, 2022 12:07 AM
#1144
well this was a great ride,clannad was boring for me i expected as to be better and sad then clannad and it did deliver it,the last 6 eps really did make me cri a lot,i am not really fond of the happy ending cause tomoya deserved top 3 chara 1-okazaki tomoya 2-akio furukawa 3-ushio okazaki/sunohara youhei |
Apr 29, 2022 2:02 PM
#1145
This show would've been infinitely better if it didn't undo the death, it felt a bit cheap and out of nowhere tbh. Yeah I get the robot and girl were foreshadowed in the beginning and whatever but they never said who they were actually meant to be until it actually happened. Still a very beautiful and sad anime, though the sadness part and rewatchability was kinda diminished toward the end there. Solid 8.5/10 nonetheless, visuals were very pretty and music was really good, only complaint was the ending |
May 14, 2022 3:54 AM
#1146
Before reading any of your guys' posts and hopefully gaining some insight, I just have one question: HOW??? The question itself is not what's really bothering me though... it's Nagisa getting "revived" or whatever it is that feels like it undermines everything that came before. It's nice but, it's like all the emotions we experienced were almost all for naught as it appears there's some supernatural reset button that fixes everything somehow- which I'll be reading your posts above in hopes of gaining a plausible explanation. Maybe there is no explanation, and that you're just meant to feel, and be in the moment. Trouble is, I can't really be in the moment when everything was hitting so hard and then suddenly out of nowhere we get, dare I say, kind of lazy writing just to make the audience feel good again. Actually what I thought happened for a second was that Ushio sacrificed herself for Nagisa, THEN my emotions would be all over the place. I was even preparing for the possibility that they would kill off Ushio as well, sending Tomoya into darkness and getting an actually bleak ending. Honestly them struggling to walk in the snow at the end of previous episode had me bracing for pain. But all in all, I think it would've been more effective if Nagisa just stayed dead, but still played a role in the saving of Ushio, which is what I was deadass 90% sure what was going to happen. But no, Nagisa is back I think, and they're both okay. I didn't leave any comments in the previous discussion threads because I was just too broken to say anything. Yeah, episode 18 absolutely broke me. Never had a piece of fiction move me to so many tears. I sat there absolutely stunned for a few minutes, unable to go and watch the next episode. It was there that I decided that this anime deserved nothing less than a full 10 out of 10. I don't treat 10's lightly; I have over 300 entries on my list and but 5 of them are 10's. When I give out this score, you know that I absolutely mean it. And so yes, episode 18 and onward I decided this was going to be my next 10/10 anime. But.... with this ending.... I don't know how I feel about that anymore. I will still certainly give it a 9, but I will be reading the over-a-thousand posts above to see if there was something that I missed before deciding on a 9 or a 10. I'd just like to mention our side characters a bit. Sure from episode 9 and onwards it's focused on Tomoya and Nagisa, and rightfully so. They are of course the centrepiece to this series. But our side characters are important as well, I'm sure that's evident from how their names are displayed and all that in the OP's. I'm glad that most of the gathered at Okazaki's place (I forget what the event was... New Year's perhaps??) before everything went to sh*t, but we don't really get anything of them after. I must say I am quite satisfied at seeing 2nd-best-girl Kyou taking care of children though, and of Ushio no less. I'm glad we got that at least. But the others.... when each of them has their own dedicated arc with a number of episodes focused solely on them, surely they carry some weight and must at least briefly addressed at the end right? Well I guess that quick montage would have to suffice. Tbh I don't care much for Ryou (who as far as I can remember didn't actually have her own story to tell apart from the Kyou arc in the visual novel. She is just here to be Kyou's sister and to tell fortunes pretty much), or Kotomi (literally she pops by for a few episodes to show her dark past and then she's nearly irrelevant afterwards- besides maybe giving some exposition about the parallel universe or whatever it is). I still would've like to see more of them towards the end, but for me it's definitely not something to cry about. Some things I would've like to see though: Tomoyo. The best girl really just faded into the background. Maybe she doesn't have any screentime here because all her stuff is in her own route, but still, come on. Sure she's not that integral to the plot surrounding Tomoya and Nagisa, but it's kind of sad that the best girl who has her own title card in the OP gets next to no acknowledgement other than a quick shot during a montage. I'd liked to have seen a little more of Tomoyo and also ngl, it's a shame that Tomoya's best friend didn't get a moment towards the end either. Seems like they really just wanted to focused on what matters. That's understandable and all, but having who was and is your best friend be there could also be quite meaningful as well. As for Akio and Sanae-san, two of the best parents in all of anime, I appreciate the scene where Sanae breaks down in mourning for Nagisa, as she apparently had been holding it in all this time. We are to assume Akio had already passed the grieving stages, but I think a scene with him crying for his lost daughter would've been powerful as well. Other than all that, perhaps just a more clear but subtle explanation as to how Nagisa revived (or how they turned back time or redid time, or whatever it was... or again, just keep her dead for what imo would cause for maximum emotional effect), and for me awarding this a 10/10 would've been quite easy. But I still have to think about that. Unless I can be convinced from the above, it's probably going to settle at a 9. The first 8 episodes focused on our side characters felt like a 7, one point above the 6 I gave to the first season of Clannad. Moving on to our main story, everything leading up to the big moments still hit hard, and was an easy 8/10. Then episode 18 hits and it becomes a 10/10 up until the end- where, I still don't know exactly how I feel about it, and so it gets a 9 for now. Again, still slightly disappointed by that ending. Plus we spend the final moments with f*cking fuko-chan.... I'm sorry if she's your favourite character, but for me she's.... eehhh. At least I'll have episode 18 to take away from this, and to cherish forever. I'll be reading your guys' posts now, if any of you give me some newfound insight, I'll come back here. But for now, I'll leave Clannad After Story with a 9/10. Extremely close to perfection; but for me, didn't quite hit the mark that I wanted. |
Jun 8, 2022 8:05 PM
#1147
After finishing the whole series, I can officially say that the first 31 episodes (Clannad + Clannad: AF) are just bad. It had its moments but the drama & especially the comedy in those episodes...is terrible. Although, it was understandable that those episodes were necessary to give context about the characters. Still, it felt like a long climb to the top of a mountain to see what the view looks like. Now on the other hand I really loved the episodes from 9 to 21 in Clannad: AF. If there is one thing I could complain about, its that there should have been more episodes. Like, some of the events happen pretty fast but I guess it works well with the theme of the series. Anyways, the ending is very out of place. It can basically be described as "yeah last episode was pretty depressing and heartbreaking...so lets just make used of this Steins;Gate plot device to make everything happy again yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay." Wow, now I wish they traded half of those 31 episodes and added to the episodes from 9 to 21. |
Jul 3, 2022 5:54 AM
#1148
G_Excel said: After finishing the whole series, I can officially say that the first 31 episodes (Clannad + Clannad: AF) are just bad. It had its moments but the drama & especially the comedy in those episodes...is terrible. Although, it was understandable that those episodes were necessary to give context about the characters. Still, it felt like a long climb to the top of a mountain to see what the view looks like. Now on the other hand I really loved the episodes from 9 to 21 in Clannad: AF. If there is one thing I could complain about, its that there should have been more episodes. Like, some of the events happen pretty fast but I guess it works well with the theme of the series. Anyways, the ending is very out of place. It can basically be described as "yeah last episode was pretty depressing and heartbreaking...so lets just make used of this Steins;Gate plot device to make everything happy again yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay." Wow, now I wish they traded half of those 31 episodes and added to the episodes from 9 to 21. this explain stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE_xiK2a3sc extra video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMKjmn5sTE0 so it long time ago |
Sugram22Jul 3, 2022 6:05 AM
Jul 8, 2022 7:49 AM
#1149
Not gonna lie I did not understand even one percent of what the fuck just happened. I was watching this whole episode with an expression saying "?????????" Seriously, wtf? Are you telling me the past 6 episodes were just nothing and author just wanted to make us suffer? I'm in such disbelief, I couldn't just comprehend what happened, I wanted to be happy seeing Nagisa alright and seeing Nagisa, Tomoya and Ushio as one hapy family but my brain just couldn't comprehened how we got there. Didn't even understand what was the purpose of the whole Fuku part in there? WHAT HAPPENED DUDE? What's with the blue light? Why did that girl in other world call the robot Daddy? Was that girl Ushio? If so how? Why? I'm so fucking confused right now, my brain hurts. What's with the restart of everything from the bottom of the hill part? What is what, help. mana_goddess said: Well this flowchart certainly helped clear some of the doubts, thanks for this. But as an anime-only I gotta say this was NOT AT ALL EXPLAINED in the ep 22 properly, every VN reader was able to understand but it was very very diffcult for anime-onlies to even imagine this happened.Ukato said: Well, it's a bit confusing, but what I get is : -Happy ending for sure -Disease is gone with that crappy slow world we don't wana watch for too long since it gets boring .... -Genki nagisa -The question remains HOW did they went in the past ? -Why is Ushio's death the trigger? Help me... Maybe this will help? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/infiltrator65a/inte%20buggat%20album/1236943573387.png Tekky99 said: So reading all these speculations, i can't hold myself any longer The truth behind the illusionary world and the light orbs: Throughout the game, you can receive light orbs after you complete a path. The light orb represents the happiness of the person who collect it from. There are a total of 14 light orbs that can be collected, once all 14 are collected, Nagisa's good end is opened. Now the first time you play After Story, you are forced to go down the bad end, because you won't have enough light orbs to trigger the good end at that point, a few light orbs are only available on this path. Of course this is the path in which Nagisa and Ushio dies, and is implied that Tomoya dies as well. Ushio, not wanting Tomoya to experience such a sad life, becomes the girl in the illusionary world and resurrects Tomoya in the junk robot. Their experiences in the illusionary world parallels the After Story as the robot and the girl are two entities that cling to each other and are dependent on each other (Similar to Tomoya and Ushio). When one goes, the other will go to. Towards the end, the robot discovers his true past as Tomoya and releases the light orbs that he (you) have collected over the entire story in an effort to create a miracle to save everyone from their tragic fate. BAD END Now, when you play After story again, and reach Nagisa's death scene. When Tomoya starts questioning whether he should've met Nagisa or not, you will have the option to call out to her. (before you didn't). Calling out to her allows the light orbs to perform the miracle and save Nagisa. GOOD END In a way, the light orbs are an elaborate/supernatural form of karma. Because Tomoya helped all these people find their happiness, he's eventually given the greatest happiness of all. But before that, he experiences what could've happened so that a) he learns the true meaning behind family and b) does take the concept of family for granted (remember at the time Nagisa's death, he still hated his father) *phew that was long, hopefully that helps Thank you, this was very helpful. Vinter said: Thanks this was helpful.MaedhrostheTall said: I am SOOOO confused with this alternate reality/universe bull. SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. so did little Ushio die? or what? is her dying the last shot of Clannad's story? Ushio dies in Ep21. In Ep22 Tomoya is given a second chance at meeting Nagisa, since she died he has convinced himself that if she had only never met him, she would still be alive. So he has to decide whether the times they experienced with all of their friends are worth the grief of losing her, twice. In the end he finally decides that being with her, even if only for that short amount of time, is worth all the suffering he had to endure. And because of that the lightorbs grant him his wish and save Nagisa and they all survive. The ending sequence is Ushio sleeping in the forest, meeting Fuko and Nagisa calling out to all of them. TheNVS said: Quoting because it's been exactly a decade since this post xD, sorry.This was so amazing, I'm glad that I took a chance and watched this anime, its definitively one of my favorites now, also I'm actually really happy that we got a happy ending because of all the sad stuff I think I would have gotten really depressed if it didn't at least have a happy ending XD Up until today this has been the only anime to ever make me cry, other sad anime sometimes make me get tears on my eyes but this one actually made me cry on several occasions. I don't think I will ever forget Clannad. My post from Ep 16 discussion bruh, I was just in denial, I didn't think it would actually *kinda* happen, the happy ending. Edit 1: Spent 2 hours reading almost all the posts in this thread. Got lots of explanations, kinda understand the story now but the episode 22 in itself doesn't make ANY sense, one NEEDS to know the orb explanation to even attempt to understand episode 22 as an anime-only. Edit 2: Ok I rewatched but I still don't get how Fuko can smell Ushio, this should be her first time meeting her in this timeline. THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. How on earth can she remember a smell from a complete different timeline? Is it something like the wish for Fuko to be awake again was granted by light balls too and Fuko remembered the stuff from previous timeline like Tomoya? Also, one should watch episode 22 directly after ep 16 if they don't like being depressed. I'm basically mustering every ounce of my brain power trying to forget ep 17 to ep 21 and thinking the ending in ep 22 was the ending to begin with. NGL it's very hard to forget those 5-6 episodes, not to say I'm still not able to digest this good ending, seems too good to be true. I guess acceptance will come with time. Not my fault though, after watching something so traumatic happen to somebody, you can't just expect me to accept this happy ending in a flash. I still haven't one bit recovered from the hell of ep 16 to ep 21. |
TsutanaiFuunJul 8, 2022 11:40 AM
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