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| I do like the show, but damn do I hate the cliff hangers at the end of most anime's. |
| I want to like Kiznaiver. I really do. This second episode was super lame though. This setup feels way too contrived; even the (relatively absurd) excuse for the shenanigans in Kokoro Connect was far easier to accept since it didn't carry this pretense that what the group goes through would somehow bring about world peace or whatever. It was just Heartseed screwing them over for his own amusement (which actually made him a pretty fun villain tbh). Instead of rolling with it and enjoying the character interactions for what they are, I'm not enjoying Kiznaiver because we're having to watch characters forced to behave in ways that they "shouldn't", and there's not enough character development for it to really mean anything to the viewer. I mean, yeah, you could argue that the characters don't know anything about each other either, but I still feel like that's a rather weak way to introduce the characters. If anything, I'd rather that they be left to their own devices for the most part, with perhaps the occasional subtle nudge in the background from this organization to produce whatever result they're looking for, so that the characters would feel more genuine and perhaps easier to empathize with. As is, I don't really care about any of their issues, perceived or otherwise, and if anything the setup makes it all seem way more dramatic than it needs to be due to its inherent artificiality. Although the various characters annoyed me quite a bit at various points, particularly Iori in Michi Random, if Kiznaiver continues in this direction I don't think I'll like it nearly as much as I did Kokoro Connect-- which is to say it probably won't be worth watching. |
TripleSRankApr 18, 2016 9:27 PM
| OMG Chidori loves Katsuhira!? So shocking! I never knew... FUCKING EVERYONE KNEW, BITCH. Jesus Fucking Christ, THAT'S your BIG reveal? Seeing my shit turn green after eating a black squid ink burger was more epic than that retarded confession that was expected to be revealed sooner or later. If that was supposed to be dramatic or touching then it failed miserably. I was hoping she'd say she thought he was a fucking wuss or was a loser but no, just like every other regurgitated childhood friend, the bitch is in love with the retard. Comedy in this show is an epic fail. Aggressive Retsuko has more comedy in its 1:50 timespan than this does. Enough with the generic plot and move onto bigger fish. Kill off some of these idiots already. |
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| Enjoyed watching this episode. Some of the secrets were pretty silly. |
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| i can't believe if my idols maki honoka and nico now played at kiznaiver |
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| Ugh the blue haired chick drives me crazy, as much as Nao from Charlotte does. I hope she doesn't influence the rating of this show as much as Nao did for me for Charlotte. Why do they have to force it like this, it's so irritating. I'll change it to 5/10 for the anime. |
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FunkyNano said: Barion-Zara said: Maki killing someone was pretty predictable. Inb4 she didn't actually do it or something like that. Not quite sure what you mean by that, I don't think anyone saw her character and immediately thought "she looks like a murderer". If you actually mean you predicted she had killed someone after seeing her visit a morgue then that's a little different, I'm pretty sure the intention was to suggest she had killed someone/felt responsible for their death at that point, that doesn't really make it "predictable" because it was at that point that the show decided to reveal it anyway. I meant after she ran away being scared of revealing her secret. |
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| There's always gotta be some kind of psychopath in an anime am i right xD I wonder what her backstory is~ Liking it so far ^^ |
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| Episode was really good but this whole project is just bullshit and I fackin hate that girl. |
| And here I thought Noriko going to kiss Katsuhira T^T Chidori "loved" Katsuhira, does that mean she no longer does? since "loved" is past tense. All those secrets are...Honoka's secret is the most surprise. |
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| Yeah, this is difficult to talk about for me. It's a show that has a lot of style and I really love the concept, but if this episode is any indicator of how they're going to handle the writing going forward I am not thrilled. The scenario the characters find themselves in is all over the place and it feels super contrived, mostly due to Sonozaki having Monobear-levels of raise-the-stakes gimmicks at her disposal. I still love the visuals and the characters and the concept, but this episode is a huge drop in writing quality IMO, and I even thought the first episode was short of being 'very good'. Also we're 2/12 episodes in and are still a bit vague on 'the point'. It doesn't even have to be the same goal that we see at episode 12, but having even a temporary reason for any of this to be happening for now would be nice. Here's to hoping Episode 3 provides? |
SomeStaticApr 19, 2016 8:01 PM
| This is one of those forced drama animes. Not like I dislike them, they can be really good at times (Mirai Nikki, lol). Trigger's artwork and animation are top notch, for trigger's trademark techniques anyways. Character personalities are waaaay over the top, but that allows for a unique story interesting point of views. The romance between Chidori and Agata felt a bit strange, but understandable. This season just started, and with a rushed opener, it could be a spiral into confusion and really, really forced drama (like Kokoro Connect). |
| I actually like this episode. I think it's amazing how they managed to talk about the characters, give some foreshadowing, and have some backstory in a span of one episode. Yuta-kun desu just keeps on stealing the spotlight for me. "Fake" eccentric was pretty fun. Idk about people commenting here that the "hype" is disappointing or whatever, just go in blind and have fun without the thoughts of hype or something idk? Also saw comments about people expecting this to be a dark show. anyone remembered suisei no gargantia Don't really mind either way, still hope this would be executed properly. /shrugs |
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KamSung said: I was feeling the same! Ugh the blue haired chick drives me crazy, as much as Nao from Charlotte does. ______ Yeah... everything was going fine until that super dramatic love confession came out of nowhere. I hate characters like Chidori just as much as Orihime and Murano so I hope the love thingy to end with this episode. #ThrowChidori'sAssIntoTheDungeon2k16 |
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Cloudyanime said: Well that’s one way to force character development. Top question of the show so far, why do they use Gomorin for everything!? Also, the clueless osananajimi confessed in episode TWO! That's gotta be a world record. Taking danger with style.  *Glasslip Chidori best girl, the exchange with Katsuhira, jumping down midair, build up were done wonderfully. Their such a cute ship. Yuta, reminded of fat boy slim. Not cool to make fun of obesity. But that forward distorted run animation was top Trigger level (gif worthy too). Mad Dog, oh... Maki: possible yandere 2 teachers funky designs, one has Noriko keychain (possible merch). Nico: she still crazy, like Nui Harime. Whole thing felt meta & everything staged, like watching a TV game show/sitcom. |
| Not sure why people are expecting this to be serious a hundred percent of the time, that wouldn't be any fun, in my opinion it has a good balance of serious and humorous moments. |
japaniMay said: Yeah, I'm not really liking the comedy, I was hoping this would be a dark show. Me too, but not everyone can handle a full dark anime like us and from my experience, it is the combination of the comedy and the crazy dark that have the most kick X) |
John_MaxApr 20, 2016 3:00 PM
edemidnight said: KamSung said: I was feeling the same! Ugh the blue haired chick drives me crazy, as much as Nao from Charlotte does. ______ Yeah... everything was going fine until that super dramatic love confession came out of nowhere. I hate characters like Chidori just as much as Orihime and Murano so I hope the love thingy to end with this episode. #ThrowChidori'sAssIntoTheDungeon2k16 I do get the same vibes from this show btw, interesting idea and 2 good episodes for me so far. But it seems to be that the blue haired girl will ruin this anime for me. The Nao x Yuu pairing got my rating to go up, but I don't think these two will get together. This girl is weird af too, at least I could somewhat sympathize with Nao. Somewhat. |
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| I agree with everyone, the show needs to be more serious. But the episode wasn't bad too |
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| is there ever going to be a story introduced...? because so far it's spent two episodes setting up its very simple characters in the dumbest way possible without giving any indication of where the show is headed or what the point of it all is. |
| Nice episode mostly. Wonder what happens from here. |
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this is supposed to be a joke... right? |
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no i just meant that people soon lose interest if the show is only dark and crazy, even if its really really good. so it need some comedy to balance it out or otherwise it wont be popular. |
John_Max said: no i just meant that people soon lose interest if the show is only dark and crazy, even if its really really good. so it need some comedy to balance it out or otherwise it wont be popular. sure. people definitely have their preferences like that. I don't think Kiznaiver would be a trigger show without some crazy humour in it. I don't mind serious tone but I love trigger's craziness. here's to hoping it all balances out well. |
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| I'm loving this show. Can't wait to see where it goes next. |
Bibimbapski said: OMG Chidori loves Katsuhira!? So shocking! I never knew... FUCKING EVERYONE KNEW, BITCH. Jesus Fucking Christ, THAT'S your BIG reveal? Seeing my shit turn green after eating a black squid ink burger was more epic than that retarded confession that was expected to be revealed sooner or later. If that was supposed to be dramatic or touching then it failed miserably. I was hoping she'd say she thought he was a fucking wuss or was a loser but no, just like every other regurgitated childhood friend, the bitch is in love with the retard. Comedy in this show is an epic fail. Aggressive Retsuko has more comedy in its 1:50 timespan than this does. Enough with the generic plot and move onto bigger fish. Kill off some of these idiots already. That wasn't the point. Of course everyone knew she had romantic feelings for him. The point was, the main character didn't realize that his change in behavior dramatically impacted his close friend, who loved the old version of him, and was desperately waiting and hoping he would return to his old self (the person she loved). It's perfectly reasonable if you don't like the show. But there was more going on to this then a simple romance trope. The rest of the group might have known she liked the Katsuhira, but didn't know that she was clinging to an older version of him. That she knew him before he "changed" and that it was tearing her up inside at what he had become (and that nothing she seemed to do could bring him back. But because she deeply loves who he used to be, it makes it difficult for her to give up on him). Something interesting, is that we don't even know if she still loves him or not (she said she used to love him, and Katsuhira also said: "even if your feelings are past tense). I'm going to guess, yes, she still loves him. It is, anime after all. But it's also made pretty clear that she doesn't love who he's become, and is only holding on to who he once was. And that's kind of interesting. That's not as simple as saying: hur dur the childhood friend has a crush on MC. I feel the show has a little more going on (or is at least making an attempt to have a little more going on with its characters). You are right that in terms of writing tropes, the whole childhood best friend romance thing isn't anything new. However, the show is blatantly using anime tropes, (down to each person in the group filling a character type), and they are trying to do spin on it. The way they are going about it (the execution), is what is making it interesting. The romance for instance, most anime's would drag it out all season long. Or it wouldn't be about someone loving something that no longer exists, it would just be someone not having the courage to tell someone they love them (or there would be some drama where the person they liked, liked someone else). As far as the comedy is concerned, I'm kind of baffled why people keep bringing this up. The show has comedic elements (all studio Trigger shows have them). But people keep acting like it's super blatant and in your face non stop. And I''m not really seeing that. Maybe some of the character behaviors are a bit over the top and silly. But I don't feel like it's setting up punch line after punch line, or relying heavily on jokes. Also while I can understand your criticisms of the MC, its implied that he didn't use to be that way. That something happened to him, and stole his pain/feelings. While that might not change your dislike of him, the reason Chidori loved her friend was because she knew him before the event happened that took away his feelings/pain. Which again, is the entire point of her confession/feelings. And it's obvious the "arc" for the MC, is trying to get his old self back. So it's not like MC is a typical stupid MC that is just useless/annoying because that's his personality. He had something happen to him, and that's apart of the plot. ALL OF THIS SAID, if you don't like the show, that's perfectly valid. I just didn't agree with your assessments. |
AttackOnWaifuApr 21, 2016 2:13 PM
| So, this is justified terrorism. The characters bore me, every single one of them. Too exaggerated in their personalities. I don't like the art stile, drawings, I skip the OP because I don't like the song... There are many reasons. I stopped watching in the middle of the episode... This is a DROP. |
John_Max said: japaniMay said: Yeah, I'm not really liking the comedy, I was hoping this would be a dark show. Me too, but not everyone can handle a full dark anime like us and from my experience, it is the combination of the comedy and the crazy dark that have the most kick X) I prefer a plot that is entirely dark that has nil comedy than something that desperately tries to be unique but utterly fails. |
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AttackOnWaifu said: Bibimbapski said: OMG Chidori loves Katsuhira!? So shocking! I never knew... FUCKING EVERYONE KNEW, BITCH. Jesus Fucking Christ, THAT'S your BIG reveal? Seeing my shit turn green after eating a black squid ink burger was more epic than that retarded confession that was expected to be revealed sooner or later. If that was supposed to be dramatic or touching then it failed miserably. I was hoping she'd say she thought he was a fucking wuss or was a loser but no, just like every other regurgitated childhood friend, the bitch is in love with the retard. Comedy in this show is an epic fail. Aggressive Retsuko has more comedy in its 1:50 timespan than this does. Enough with the generic plot and move onto bigger fish. Kill off some of these idiots already. That wasn't the point. Of course everyone knew she had romantic feelings for him. The point was, the main character didn't realize that his change in behavior dramatically impacted his close friend, who loved the old version of him, and was desperately waiting and hoping he would return to his old self (the person she loved). It's perfectly reasonable if you don't like the show. But there was more going on to this then a simple romance trope. The rest of the group might have known she liked the MC, but didn't know that she was clinging to an older version of him. That she knew him before he "changed" and that it was tearing her up inside at what he had become (and that nothing she seemed to do could bring him back. But because she deeply loves who he used to be, it makes it difficult for her to give up on him). Something interesting, is that we don't even know if she still loves him or not (she said she used to love him, and Katsuhira also said: "even if your feelings are past tense). I'm going to guess, ye, she still loves him. It is, anime afterall. But it's also made pretty clear that she doesn't love who he's become, and is only holding on to who he once was. And that's kind of interesting. That's not as simple as saying: hur dur the childhood friend has a crush on MC. I feel the show has a little more going on (or is at least making an attempt to have a little more going on with its characters). You are right that in terms of writing tropes, the whole childhood best friend romance thing isn't anything new. However, the show is blatantly using anime tropes, (down to each person in the group filling a character type), and they are trying to do spin on it. The way they are going about it (the execution), is what is making it interesting. The romance for instance, most anime's would drag it out all season long. Or it wouldn't be about someone loving something that no longer exists, it would just be someone not having the courage to tell someone they love them (or there would be some drama where the person they liked, liked someone else). As far as the comedy is concerned, I'm kind of baffled why people keep bringing this up. The show has comedic elements (all studio Trigger shows have them). But people keep acting like it's super blatant and in your face non stop. And I''m not really seeing that. Maybe some of the character behaviors are a bit over the top and silly. But I don't feel like it's setting up punch line after punch line, or relying heavily on jokes. Also while I can understand your criticisms of the MC, its implied that he didn't use to be that way. That something happened to him, and stole his pain/feelings. While that might not change your dislike of him, the reason Chidori loved her friend was because she knew him before the event happened that took away his feelings/pain. Which again, is the entire point of her confession/feelings. She's clinging on to who he used to be, and is hoping that person comes back, but constantly doubts that she can do anything to make that happen. And it's obvious the "arc" for the MC, is trying to get his old self back. So it's not like MC is a typical stupid MC that is just useless/annoying because that's his personality. He had something happen to him, and that's apart of the plot. ALL OF THIS SAID, if you don't like the show, that's perfectly valid. I just didn't agree with your assessments. In the end, let's agree to disagree. I didn't put my opinion here to blast anyone who enjoys the show or to find allies to agree with my comment. It's just my personal review of the second episode. It's not the first show/storyline to have an MC who had a childhood friend who loved the person he used to be. You see that a lot in manga, Anime, movies, novels, etc. where a former childhood friend/neighbor/classmate/etc. comes back after moving away and they've changed. Let's not pretend it's completely new and unique and deserves the utmost praise. I never said the MC was useless, I do think he is boring and his seemingly blasé attitude is off-putting. Nowadays, with all the Anime coming out per season, it's not uncommon for people to drop a series based on the MC's personality or lack thereof. I'm hoping he changes because his character is a dime a dozen by this point. You may disagree with my assessment but it's MY assessment nonetheless, I don't understand why people feel the need to change the opinions of others. This show isn't short of supporters, as a matter of fact, it has a lot of viewers and people commenting in the forums per episode. Well, of course, the show has a lot more going on, we're judging it based on the two/three episodes that have come out. I'm expecting it to progress and become better but I'm criticizing the first few episodes I've seen so far and I've done that with a lot of series which I ended up liking and even loving. I'm not sure if it was adapted from a manga but I'm basing my views and opinions on what I've seen so far and I have every right to express this even if it hurts your feelings or anyone else's. It's like people convincing me to like Kirino from Oreimo and telling me that I'm wrong for disliking her. I did end up liking her a lot but that was long after the show was over and after I've rewatched the series several times to appreciate her character. No one is trying to dissuade anyone from watching the series or saying it's horrible, it's a review per episode. My review of this episode? Not so impressive. Too many cliches. You're right it's an Anime and it will have a lot of Anime redundancies but it doesn't mean it can be excused. |
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Bibimbapski said: AttackOnWaifu said: That wasn't the point. Of course everyone knew she had romantic feelings for him. The point was, the main character didn't realize that his change in behavior dramatically impacted his close friend, who loved the old version of him, and was desperately waiting and hoping he would return to his old self (the person she loved). It's perfectly reasonable if you don't like the show. But there was more going on to this then a simple romance trope. The rest of the group might have known she liked the MC, but didn't know that she was clinging to an older version of him. That she knew him before he "changed" and that it was tearing her up inside at what he had become (and that nothing she seemed to do could bring him back. But because she deeply loves who he used to be, it makes it difficult for her to give up on him). Something interesting, is that we don't even know if she still loves him or not (she said she used to love him, and Katsuhira also said: "even if your feelings are past tense). I'm going to guess, ye, she still loves him. It is, anime afterall. But it's also made pretty clear that she doesn't love who he's become, and is only holding on to who he once was. And that's kind of interesting. That's not as simple as saying: hur dur the childhood friend has a crush on MC. I feel the show has a little more going on (or is at least making an attempt to have a little more going on with its characters). You are right that in terms of writing tropes, the whole childhood best friend romance thing isn't anything new. However, the show is blatantly using anime tropes, (down to each person in the group filling a character type), and they are trying to do spin on it. The way they are going about it (the execution), is what is making it interesting. The romance for instance, most anime's would drag it out all season long. Or it wouldn't be about someone loving something that no longer exists, it would just be someone not having the courage to tell someone they love them (or there would be some drama where the person they liked, liked someone else). As far as the comedy is concerned, I'm kind of baffled why people keep bringing this up. The show has comedic elements (all studio Trigger shows have them). But people keep acting like it's super blatant and in your face non stop. And I''m not really seeing that. Maybe some of the character behaviors are a bit over the top and silly. But I don't feel like it's setting up punch line after punch line, or relying heavily on jokes. Also while I can understand your criticisms of the MC, its implied that he didn't use to be that way. That something happened to him, and stole his pain/feelings. While that might not change your dislike of him, the reason Chidori loved her friend was because she knew him before the event happened that took away his feelings/pain. Which again, is the entire point of her confession/feelings. She's clinging on to who he used to be, and is hoping that person comes back, but constantly doubts that she can do anything to make that happen. And it's obvious the "arc" for the MC, is trying to get his old self back. So it's not like MC is a typical stupid MC that is just useless/annoying because that's his personality. He had something happen to him, and that's apart of the plot. ALL OF THIS SAID, if you don't like the show, that's perfectly valid. I just didn't agree with your assessments. In the end, let's agree to disagree. I didn't put my opinion here to blast anyone who enjoys the show or to find allies to agree with my comment. It's just my personal review of the second episode. It's not the first show/storyline to have an MC who had a childhood friend who loved the person he used to be. You see that a lot in manga, Anime, movies, novels, etc. where a former childhood friend/neighbor/classmate/etc. comes back after moving away and they've changed. Let's not pretend it's completely new and unique and deserves the utmost praise. I never said the MC was useless, I do think he is boring and his seemingly blasé attitude is off-putting. Nowadays, with all the Anime coming out per season, it's not uncommon for people to drop a series based on the MC's personality or lack thereof. I'm hoping he changes because his character is a dime a dozen by this point. You may disagree with my assessment but it's MY assessment nonetheless, I don't understand why people feel the need to change the opinions of others. This show isn't short of supporters, as a matter of fact, it has a lot of viewers and people commenting in the forums per episode. Well, of course, the show has a lot more going on, we're judging it based on the two/three episodes that have come out. I'm expecting it to progress and become better but I'm criticizing the first few episodes I've seen so far and I've done that with a lot of series which I ended up liking and even loving. I'm not sure if it was adapted from a manga but I'm basing my views and opinions on what I've seen so far and I have every right to express this even if it hurts your feelings or anyone else's. It's like people convincing me to like Kirino from Oreimo and telling me that I'm wrong for disliking her. I did end up liking her a lot but that was long after the show was over and after I've rewatched the series several times to appreciate her character. No one is trying to dissuade anyone from watching the series or saying it's horrible, it's a review per episode. My review of this episode? Not so impressive. Too many cliches. You're right it's an Anime and it will have a lot of Anime redundancies but it doesn't mean it can be excused. To be clear, I wasn't trying to convince you that you were wrong. And you are right, it's your opinion and how you feel, and no one can change that. Just for a point of discussion though, I was just pointing out that I didn't agree with some of the points you brought up (or rather, your take on them). This wasn't to say how you felt was wrong, I just didn't agree with how you analyzed some of it (I don't think the point of the confession was simply that she loved him. That was obvious to everyone in the show, and the audience as well. It was that she desperately clinging on to the person he used to be, and it was tearing her up inside to see someone that she loved, become a husk of their former self. And that's not something that people in the show would have known about). I apologize for getting carried away though and writing a wall of text (lol then I do it again). I was just interested in talking about the episode, and saw your post, and didn't really agree with certain things. But in terms of you not liking it, I think that is 100% valid. I actually don't think the show is perfect either, and have my own criticisms (some of them actually echoing your own points, we just don't agree on the particulars). I think what is really interesting to me, is that this show has all the marks of a Studio Trigger production. And a lot of those traits that make Studio Trigger who they are, are the exact criticisms people have of the show. As someone that has been a fan of Trigger (and their previous studio), this show is exactly what you would expect from them. That doesn't mean peoples criticisms are wrong, but it's just interesting that the things that make the studio unique, and what defines them, is also what happens to be what people seem to hate about this show. I will say though, the work they take on, almost always is tongue and cheek and self-aware. And any perceived serious concept the story might have, usually ends up being a parody or taking the piss. This is the same studio who's last shows main plot was: clothes are evil, and being naked is the only way to be free. No joke. And I expect this shows concept to also end up taking the piss. So I can understand if those that went into this show expecting the dark concept to be more serious, are let down. But this is definitely not the studio to be expecting something dark/serious. Although maybe I'm wrong, and this show ends up committing to the dark plot. |
AttackOnWaifuApr 21, 2016 2:55 PM
| Only 11 episodes left and I have absolutely no idea what this this is about (I'm so slow) 2/5, if an episode makes a bit of sense out of this, it will be a 5/5 for sure I find that pretty hard for Evangelion. Is this Okada such a big name ? Never heard of her before last october. She seems to be some independent big head in the writing department, wich of her works (scenario, novel?) made so much studios relying on her instead of their own creative peoples? |
Rei366 said: Is this Okada such a big name ? Never heard of her before last october. She seems to be some independent big head in the writing department, wich of her works (scenario, novel?) made so much studios relying on her instead of their own creative peoples? She's kinda hated, dunno why. I liked BRS tv and the episodes of Aria the Natural she wrote. |
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| We in for a trip boys. Damn, I love you right off the bat. This show is going to be a Chidori feels trip I know it. |
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| Chidori's secret was not a surprise for sure haha Now, I am curious about Maki, seems that she lost a friend and she blame herself for her death or she really killed her for some reason... |
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| It was a good episode but pretty predictable tbh. Nico was pretty cute though, so +1. |
| Not as crazy/good as the first episode. It was still alright though. Dogs Fake Fatty Nothing Love Killer (blue haired girl should be part of this...) |
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| at least in this anime it can be explained why the main character has no personality. we also get a darker plot by the ending when that woman tells her secret about having killed someone. i can't imagine where this kiznaiver setup will end up though. the episode still had some entertaining value with the comedy. |
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| Ok so we learn a bit about each character, can't say it's my fav show this season though especially with its pacing. |
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| Self-introduction from hell... Grossly underestimated it XD |
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| eh????????????????? EHHHHHHHHHHHHH? Weird ass show trying to be something impressive. Will it be? Or will it stay stupid? |
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